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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Sunday, April 17, 2022 7:29 PM

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:

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Originally posted by second:

Republicans didn’t have values, neither did Russians



WTF is wrong with you? So you class every Republican the same even the Libertarian Centrist Ones?
How can you be so manipulated to hate your own people?

I looked up "Libertarian Centrist" https://www.google.com/search?q=Libertarian+Centrist

Libertarian Centrist doesn't mean a damn thing.

You know that people are judged based on the worst things they have done, not on how they behaved on a low-stress, average day, one that doesn't stress test their souls. There are many Americans and Russians that habitually flunk the test whenever one of those high-stress, pressure-filled trial days comes around.

I know hundreds of people who voted for Trump. It is not funny, but before there was a Trump, these hundreds were assholes. Not assholes everyday, because most days are nice and easy, but they failed often enough to separate themselves from normal people. They'd tell you "Trust me" but you couldn't because they would betray your trust if 1) they believed they won't be caught and 2) saw an advantage that made being caught worth taking it. They'd say "Believe me" but they were liars. They are exactly the kind of people that screw up organizations they belong to.

They're good for something, but not for long because there will be more days that test their souls and, once again, they will flunk the test. And as you might expect from grouping themselves into the Republican political party, they believe themselves to be unjustly oppressed and are fighting back. Pro-war Russians also believe themselves to be unjustly oppressed and they, too, are fighting back against the worst imaginable people in the world: Nazis in Ukraine, where most Ukrainians are Nazis in their imagination. And don't forget NATO, which is worse than Nazis according to Pro-war Russians.

I think Trump voters and Russians make it pretty clear they earned oppression if you want the world to prosper. Or maybe they just need a good ass-beating for being lying, thieving scumbags when special and rare circumstances permit them getting away with it, just like Trump (for the Republicans) and Putin (for the pro-War Russians). Trump and Putin have long and sordid histories that should make any decent person refuse to vote for either, but both have tens of millions of fans who are the worst Americans and Russians, as they shall prove to be whenever tested in life.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Sunday, April 17, 2022 9:17 PM

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said that he has difficulty believing in the reliability of "some countries or some leaders" after the escalation of the war in his country.

CNN's Jake Tapper asked Zelensky during an exclusive interview about whether he finds statements when world leaders use the term "never again," a slogan that is associated with Holocaust and often uttered after crimes against humanity, "hollow" now.

"You lost ancestors in the Holocaust. Every year on Holocaust Remembrance Day, politicians put out statements that say, never again, never again. Those statements must seem really hollow right now to you. When the world says never again, do they ever mean it?" Tapper asked.

Zelensky responded, "I don't believe the world. After we have seen what's going on in Ukraine, we've — I mean that I don't believe some countries or some leaders. We don't believe their words. After the escalation of Russia, we don't believe our neighbors. We don't believe all of this."

The Ukrainian president went on to say that he doesn't even believe in documented security assurances and international law as the war in Ukraine rages, and with Russia accused of alleged war crimes.

"Even I don't believe documents, because we also have a Budapest Memorandum** — I think you know all of the details of this. For me, that is just a piece of paper and costs nothing," Zelensky said

Zelensky told CNN that his faith and his belief lies with practical, tangible efforts and the Ukrainian people.

"We just believe pragmatic things. If you are our friends or partners, give us weapons, give us a hand, give us support, give us money and stop Russia, kick Russia. You can do it if you're a friend," he said.

Zelensky continued, "The only belief is belief in ourselves, in our people, belief in our Armed Forces, and the belief that countries are going to support us not just with their words but with their actions. And that’s it. Never again — Really, everybody is talking about this and yet, as you can see, not everyone has got the guts."

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-04-17-2
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** What is the Budapest Memorandum and why has Russia’s invasion torn it up?
https://theconversation.com/ukraine-war-what-is-the-budapest-memorandu
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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THG
Sunday, April 17, 2022 9:49 PM

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Save your crocodile tears,SECOND. They're as phony as the rest of your virtue signaling.

Yanno, your only genuine posts are about hating people. You might want to lance that hate-filled pustule that's grown above your shoulders.

It would be terrible if you died as miserable as you lived.




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Sunday, April 17, 2022 10:14 PM

Nobody cares.

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Me: "Remember Covid?"

Useless Idiots: "What's Covid, durr? Russia, Ukraine, Putin, NATO *drool*. DURRRR!!!!"

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THG
Sunday, April 17, 2022 11:40 PM

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Monday, April 18, 2022 6:34 PM

The Russian ambassador is Washington’s least popular man

Anatoly Antonov walks the halls of an increasingly empty embassy.

In an exclusive interview with POLITICO, he admits that Ukraine is a separate country from Russia, with a right to be sovereign, although he’s not sure how long that can or should last. After all, he says, Russia’s goal is much grander than reining in its neighbor. It’s about preventing the domination of the world by any one country.

“It’s a very narrow approach to say the ‘Russian invasion of Ukraine,’” Antonov said. “We are talking about changing the world order that was created by the United States, by NATO countries after the dissolution of the Soviet Union.”

When told that perhaps his current lack of popularity in Washington is due to his unwillingness to acknowledge the realities about what Russia is doing to Ukraine, Antonov refers to the adage: “Every coin has two sides.” In other words, he has his own facts he’d like Americans to consider.

“I am not trying to dissuade you. I would like you to look,” he said, at one point handing over a set of folders thick with op-eds, statements and images promoting Kremlin talking points about the Ukraine crisis. “It’s up to you to decide whether Russian ambassador is providing you with fake news.”

Moscow is not waging an unprovoked war on Ukraine, an independent country with a democratically elected government led by a Jewish man, Antonov said. Instead, he says, Russia is carrying out a “special military operation” to purge Ukraine of Nazis and other bad actors and ensure that the country is not a staging ground for NATO or other outfits that Moscow sees as a threat.

But now, after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, why should the world trust Russia?

“You have to decide who we are for you,” Antonov said. “Whether we are partner for you, whether we are rival for you, whether we are opponent, or I don’t want even to use this word, ‘enemy.’”

“As for me, I’m still sure we should be partners,” he adds. “Previously, I would say that we are partners. Now we are not partners. It’s a pity.”

More at https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/18/anatoly-antonov-russia-ambass
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Monday, April 18, 2022 7:31 PM

Nobody cares.

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Me: "Remember Covid?"

Useless Idiots: "What's Covid, durr? Russia, Ukraine, Putin, NATO *drool*. DURRRR!!!!"

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Monday, April 18, 2022 9:33 PM

Looks like the last of the Mariupol Azov rightwinger holdouts and their western compatriots are entrenched in the Azov steel plant. So far, Kiev has lost 8 helicopters and a cargo ship trying to evacuate ... somebody ... from the steel plant.

Russians say IIRC that there are about 100 foreign fighters mixed in with the Azov remnants. Well, you can't evacuate 100 people by helicopter, so WHO is so high-ranking that they felt the urgent urgency to evacuate them?

Or possibly WHAT do they have that is so incriminating that it needs to be ferried out? Chemical weapons (aka "novichok")? A dirty bomb?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Tuesday, April 19, 2022 12:13 AM

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Captured Britons Appear On Russian TV Urging Boris Johnson To Negotiate Ukraine Prisoner Swap

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/captured-britons-appear-russian
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BoJo is now countering Liz Truss' call for Britons to "fight for democracy" in Ukraine, telling Brits DON'T go to Ukraine.

Good advice, BoJo, just a little late for some.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Tuesday, April 19, 2022 11:25 PM

Remember 2014-15 when G was hyperventilating about Russia "invading" Ukraine, and I kept saying that it wasn't an invasion, it was proxy/hybrid war???

That wasn't an invasion.

THIS is. Now, for reality...

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Russian and Donbas forces have cleared the city of Mariupol except for the giant metallurgic complex of Azovstal which is held by some estimated 4,000 men, including many from the fascist Azov battalion.

On Sunday Russia opened corridors across the front line and asked for those forces to surrender. However the Zelensky government ordered them to stay and to continue to bind Russian forces which otherwise could be used elsewhere:

Russia had given the Ukrainian fighters in Mariupol until Sunday morning to lay down their weapons or be “eliminated.” On Sunday, the forces at the plant ignored the deadline, and Ukrainian officials vowed that they would not surrender. In response, the Russian assault intensified, with missiles and bombs hitting the city and new attacks occurring near the plant, according to the Ukrainian military.
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Ukrainian officials said on Sunday that the struggle was not over for Mariupol, which for two months has tied up Russian troops and resources that are badly needed elsewhere.

The Azovstal complex is a 2 by 2 miles industrial area. It can be surrounded and controlled by a relatively small force. Those within the area no longer have heavy artillery ammunition and presumably little other supplies. The Russian forces can see and bomb anything that moves on the open ground and can otherwise sit back and wait their enemies out.

I do not believe that holding on to Azovstal will significantly delay the upcoming second phase of the Russian operation which will surround and destroy the Ukrainian army on the Donbas front.

The Russian military has two huge advantage over the Ukrainian forces in the east. One is of course its air superiority. The other is the unimpeded supply line which allows it to get as much heavy artillery ammunition, fuel and food to its forces as it needs.

Without fuel the Ukrainian army can not move and without constant supply, especially of large amounts of artillery munitions, it can not counter Russian artillery which will be in heavy use against it.

This pictures of a former Ukrainian position show the devastating result of such a situation.

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Nearly all of the Ukrainian ammunition and fuel supplies have been bombed and destroyed. What is trickling in through its western borders has difficulties to reach the eastern front and is anyway not enough to supply an actively fighting and maneuvering army.

On April 16 Russia shot down a Ukrainian military transport plane that was bringing 'western' weapons to Odessa. Today it destroyed another ammunition depot near Lviv were 'western' weapons are crossing the border into Ukraine. Some bits of fuel allegedly still reach the Ukraine through trains from Moldova. But that is far from enough.

Here is a week old report on the fuel situation:

Since the beginning of the war, the number of gas stations in Ukraine has decreased three times, and private fuel consumption has decreased by about the same amount, said Sergey Kuyun, director of the A-95 consulting group.

“According to our estimates, a third of the total number of gas stations is operating, this is about 2.5 thousand stations, before the war there were 7.5 thousand. Of course, the main reason is the lack of fuel. Consumption has also decreased three times compared to the pre-war level,” he said at a closed briefing at the Media Center in Lviv on Monday.

At the same time, Kuyun noted that traders or network owners are forced to provide their most strategic and powerful facilities, located mainly in regional centers or on main routes, while peripheral stations are forced to stand idle, although there are also a lot of consumers there.

According to him, the shortage of fuel became especially aggravated after the shutdown of the Kremenchug Oil Refinery as a resul

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