What is Putin's end game?
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Dark Enlightenment, is one of the most taboo movements on the interwebs also called neo-reactionary movement and sometimes abbreviated to NRx, in a ways it seems to be
very Anti-American and pro-monarchy,
is an anti-democratic, anti-egalitarian, reactionary philosophy. In 2007 and 2008, Curtis Yarvin, writing under the pen name Mencius Moldbug.
The problem with Dark Enlightenment is the guy who writes the blog stuff most banned across the interwebs, he is quiet smart at times and offers unique view points.
but he can be very offensive
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The key to ceasing this awful, destructive behavior is understanding that it is not about them. It is about you. In fact, you do not know them at all. You know no more than a few kindergarten facts about these faraway people whom you love so much that you consider it your moral responsibility to goad them, at no cost or risk to yourself, into the terrordome of war, for their heroism to excite them. If you loved them more, you would think harder about whether or not you were doing them a favor.
https://americandigest.org/excerpt-enjoying-your-russian-civil-war-by-
curtis-yarvin/
Wikipedia, in its first sentence on the “Ukrainian language,” calls it “Ukrainian, historically also called Ruthenian.”
Perhaps a better description of the meaning of “Ukraine” is that this “Ukraine” is, like “Yugoslavia” or “Czechoslovakia,” two historically separate but linguistically-similar countries jammed together by deranged 20th-century diplomats. If that fool Putin really does invade, let us hope he has the wisdom to separate them again.
https://graymirror.substack.com/p/a-clarification-on-ukraine
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Quote:That is an abstract answer. In 2007, Signym wrote an answer to the question "When Did You Start Paying Attention To Politics?"
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
What does Russia want in Ukraine?
Neutralization and de-Nazification. They don't want to expand their borders, they just want a buffer zone of neutral nations.
Towards the end of the Vietnam War. I had "followed" politics in the sense that I knew who was President and I knew that people in Chile got killed in a coup, but it just didn't hit home until I saw Hearts and Minds. And then it struck me that the people who were getting killed were people. Real people whose families wept and were terrified. Babies, parents, young boys and girls... I never looked at politics the same since. -- November 13, 2007
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Signym, your answer to 'What does Russia want in Ukraine?' Or 'What is Putin's end game?' cleaves to abstractness and flees from "the people who were getting killed were people. Real people whose families wept and were terrified. Babies, parents, young boys and girls..."
That was Signym in 2007, but this is Signym now:
Ten Commandments of War Propaganda
1. We do not want war.
2. The opposite party alone is guilty of war.
3. The enemy is the face of the devil.
4. We defend a noble cause, not our own interest.
5. The enemy systematically commits cruelties; our mishaps are involuntary.
6. The enemy uses forbidden weapons.
7. We suffer small losses, those of the enemy are enormous.
8. Artists and intellectuals back our cause.
9. Our cause is sacred.
10. All who doubt our propaganda, are traitors.
—Arthur Ponsonby
https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Falsehood_in_War-Time
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsehood_in_War-Time
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Ten Commandments of War Propaganda
1. We do not want war. (Second and Ted want war).
2. The opposite party alone is guilty of war. (Both parties are guilty of war).
3. The enemy is the face of the devil. (Osama Bin Laden last week, Trump Yesterday, Putin Today).
4. We defend a noble cause, not our own interest. (Nothing about war in the last century was noble, and it certainly wasn't in the interest of The People).
5. The enemy systematically commits cruelties; our mishaps are involuntary. (The US is the biggest offender the world has ever seen, committing impersonal cruelty via remotely mechanized weaponry that will one day be turned against its own citizens. Possibly in our lifetime.)
6. The enemy uses forbidden weapons. (Don't throw stones from glass houses).
7. We suffer small losses, those of the enemy are enormous. (It is your patriotic duty to pay $5.00 per gallon of gas and like it).
8. Artists and intellectuals back our cause. (Fuck Hollywood)
9. Our cause is sacred. (Virtue Signalling is King)
10. All who doubt our propaganda, are traitors. (Quote from the modern day Left)
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Me: "Remember Covid?"
Useless Idiots: "What's Covid, durr? Russia, Ukraine, Putin, NATO *drool*. DURRRR!!!!"
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Ten Commandments of War Propaganda
7. We suffer small losses, those of the enemy are enormous. (It is your patriotic duty to pay $5.00 per gallon of gas and like it).
https://www.reuters.com/business/us-consumer-prices-accelerate-februar
y-weekly-jobless-claims-rise-2022-03-10/
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"As I have said from the start, there will be costs at home as we impose crippling sanctions in response to Putin's unprovoked war, but Americans can know this, the costs we are imposing on Putin and his cronies are far more devastating than the costs we are facing," Biden said in a statement.
I don't give one single fuck what Putin and his cronies are facing because of the economic war you're waging, Joe*.
And come November you're going to see that I'm hardly the only one and after the last two years of bullshit you've put us through, nay... the last two fucking decades of bullshit our corrupt government has put us through, Americans are all out of fucks to give.
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Trump got asked a version of 'What is Putin's end game?' Here is the question asked of Trump:
Forgeard: “What do you see happening next then? ‘Cause it seems like the tensions are high. How does this all end? Is this going to be like a long-term thing? How do you see it unfolding?
Trump: “Well, and I said this a long time ago, if this happens, we are playing right into their hands. Green energy. The windmills. They don’t work. They’re too expensive. They kill all the birds. They ruin your landscapes. And yet the environmentalists love the windmills. And I’ve been preaching this for years. The windmills. And I had them way down. But the windmills are the most expensive energy you can have. And they don’t work. And by the way, they last a period of 10 years and by the time they start rusting and rotting all over the place, nobody ever takes them down. They just go on to the next piece of prairie or land and destroy that.”
This is not a joke. That is actually what Trump said.
When asked how Russia’s invasion into Ukraine ends, the former President of the United States went into a riff on windmills and how they don’t work. Yup.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/10/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-russia-in
vasion-windmills/index.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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He's not wrong about the windmills.
Well. Not ALL of us.
And what are you worried about Trump changing the subject when somebody asks him a stupid question for? You can't post on topic in the RWED.
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Quote:The people YOU killed in Vietnam were people. And yet, all you do is bitch about Trump.
SIGNYM:
What does Russia want in Ukraine?
Neutralization and de-Nazification. They don't want to expand their borders, they just want a buffer zone of neutral nations.
SECOND: That is an abstract answer. In 2007, Signym wrote an answer to the question "When Did You Start Paying Attention To Politics?"
Towards the end of the Vietnam War. I had "followed" politics in the sense that I knew who was President and I knew that people in Chile got killed in a coup, but it just didn't hit home until I saw Hearts and Minds. And then it struck me that the people who were getting killed were people. Real people whose families wept and were terrified. Babies, parents, young boys and girls... I never looked at politics the same since. -- November 13, 2007
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=31463&mid=55842
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Signym, your answer to 'What does Russia want in Ukraine?' Or 'What is Putin's end game?' cleaves to abstractness and flees from "the people who were getting killed were people. Real people whose families wept and were terrified. Babies, parents, young boys and girls..."
That was Signym in 2007, but this is Signym now
I mean, seriously??? Talk about deflection!
If you're worried about the people who're getting killed in Ukraine, why don't you tell the Azov Battalion to let their human shields go?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Russia's leadership wants:
S: "Military and border security"
- nukes removed in '94, Crimea stolen in 2014, check. Maybe stop trying to kill people who live next door?
S: "Economic and financial independence from the west"
- welp, you sure are getting that now 
S: "Trade with reliable partners"
- dust up on your mandarin. Seriously, who is reliable? Here's a tip: maybe you should look inside. If everyone treats you the same way maybe it's your fault?
S: "Lack of interference in its internal politics from outside sources"
- word salad, whatever. Happiness and sunshine.
S: "Internal prosperity"
- more word fluff. I guess you'll just have to keep the 15 year prison sentence around for your citizens who speak out.
^SIGNYM types a lot and says nothing as usual. Like Russian nothing speak.
S: "Russia's Security Council has been working on this since 2000*. By 2007 they realized that the west was inimical to Russia and would never be anything but an enemy. By 2022 they decided they had reached their financial, economic, and military goals and that they could fight back."
- hey now! - we figured the same thing!
S: "It's obvious."
- sure is. It's BEYOND obvious but you keep trying. Poor poor Russia! So unfair!
S: "A political clampdown on the oligarchs who stole much of Russia's formerly nationalized assets
Re-natuomalization of major resources
Military victory over Chechen jihadists
An increase in military spending (to 5pct GDP)
Friendly, or at least productive, diplomacy across the globe
Maintenance of Sevastopol as a Russian naval base
A survival of the west's attempts to torpedo the Russian economy by dumping the price of oil (in conjunction with KSA) and a sustained attack on the ruble
Program of import substitution to survive sanctions
Support of Syria's government which (seems to me) to have been a combination of training and weapons/ strategy testing
Clampdown on Russia-hostile NGOs in Russia
Revival of the Orthodox church"
^ All doable without bombing Ukraine hospitals and killing children, right?
"It's been a steady plan to climb out of the hole that the west put them in in 1990, and to become financially, economically, and politically independent from the west, and to become a military power. You can tell what they DON'T want by looking at the 90s."
Well, that has backfired spectacularly! We don't need Russia for anything. Nothing. The only leverage they have is their nukes. That's it. So Russia can wall itself off and eat radiated beets - they've earned it. What a total cluster fck. Nice job Puttie! Legacy secured.
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Quote:It is time for the Truth: I killed zero people. Anyone saying different is spreading Fake News. In a closely related development, Sergey Lavrov, Foreign Minister of Russia, said the pictures are fake:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The people YOU killed in Vietnam were people. And yet, all you do is bitch about Trump.
I mean, seriously??? Talk about deflection!
If you're worried about the people who're getting killed in Ukraine, why don't you tell the Azov Battalion to let their human shields go?
“Unfortunately, I can confirm that the Russian leadership, including Minister Lavrov, live in their own reality,” Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba told CNBC on Thursday. “He told me looking in my eyes that the pictures of pregnant women being taken from under the rubble of the maternity house are fake.”
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/11/politics/russia-misinformation-putin-la
vrov-ukraine-war/index.html
Putin said that the reasons the EU and US give for sanctions are fake:
“These sanctions would have been imposed in any case,” Putin told a meeting of the Russian government on Thursday. “There are some questions, problems and difficulties but in the past we have overcome them and we will overcome them now.
“In the end, this will all lead to an increase in our independence, self-sufficiency and our sovereignty,” he told a televised government meeting two weeks after Russian forces invaded neighbouring Ukraine.
His comments were designed to portray Western sanctions as self-defeating and reassure Russians that the country can withstand what Moscow is calling an “economic war” against its banks, businesses and business oligarchs.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/10/putin-says-russia-will-emerge
-stronger-sanctions-will-rebound
Signym, take note that Putin has answered the question: 'What is Putin's end game?' “In the end, this will all lead to an increase in our independence, self-sufficiency and our sovereignty.” All good goals, Signym.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:
Lots of questions:
First - did he/his generals completely underestimate the task at hand, "taking Ukraine and imposing his own president?"
Or... is destruction of Ukraine the purpose? To what end? He's only driving them further away and unifying most countries against Russia.
Why did he send in old material and untrained troops?
I wonder if the whole point is to bait the West into WWIII...? Throw the world into chaos and destruction to bring down the west and while we're reeling, rebuild his world the way he wants it. I dunno - totally guessing since nothing makes sense. He'll never hold Ukraine and they aren't going to give up. Ever. And Russian people will eat his liver before too much longer. Oligarchs are going to send in hit squads soon as well. He's totally fubarred.
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Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:Quote:
G; Lots of questions:
First - did he/his generals completely underestimate the task at hand, "taking Ukraine and imposing his own president?"Quote:
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Yep, they were caught completely off guard. The evidence of this is in the world being caught off guard by Ukrainians fortitude.Quote:
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Or... is destruction of Ukraine the purpose? To what end? He's only driving them further away and unifying most countries against Russia.Quote:
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This is true as well. Putin can’t survive with a free and prosperous Ukraine. It has too much influence on the Russian people who he wants to believe democracy doesn’t work. That it’s no better than what they have. That’s what made Trump so valuable to him.Quote:
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Why did he send in old material and untrained troops?Quote:
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Same answer as first question.Quote:
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I wonder if the whole point is to bait the West into WWIII...? Throw the world into chaos and destruction to bring down the west and while we're reeling, rebuild his world the way he wants it. I dunno - totally guessing since nothing makes sense. He'll never hold Ukraine and they aren't going to give up. Ever. And Russian people will eat his liver before too much longer. Oligarchs are going to send in hit squads soon as well. He's totally fubarred.
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I don’t think he wants to bait us into WW3. I think he is scared shitless we will get directly involved which if you think about it we already are. His lies are already know to be just that, lies. If he wanted us involved he would at the very least just attack us and say we attacked him first.
What we need do is a reset with China now because keeping them from assisting Russia in the immediate future is key. Our problems with them are much simpler and can be dealt with tomorrow.
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