Stealth Health - for Siggy!
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Would you say that about gravity? That somehow gravity doesn't apply to us just BECAUSE we're people? Not that we can't develop machines that fly, but that we are exempt from gravity completely? Is that true?
We haven't broken the rules yet. We're just working on it.
I have every confidence that we might someday, though probably not in my lifetime.
Erm, bit late on the draw there - Thomas Townsend Brown broke that one back in the 20's when he gave us the Biefeld–Brown effect, although it is kind of a cheat if you know how it works.
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Oh, ionic propulsion, unless I'm missing something about the theory here. Government documents seem to refer to it as something to do with gravity but I don't understand the connection.
This is from wikipedia so it might be censored or redacted.
I will look into this more, perhaps I can figure out what you're referring to before you tell me.
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Unfortunately a lot of the relative information is of debateable utility being posted by non-science people who don't truly understand how it freakin works and have preconceptions which make it harder to even explain to them, argh.
Basically BB effect is a primitive variant of the DS1 Ion Engine, but there WAS some decent electrogravitic research under PROJECT WINTERHAVEN which has since been declassified - nobody has revisited it seriously with moden metallurgy and ceramic though... one aspect of it is charged wing leading edges as a form of stealth tech to minimize sonic booms, and (rumor only, this) potentially elimination OF that boom in the now abandoned and never quite admitted TR3 Aurora project.
One of the problems with following up on TT Browns later research is how he buried and obfuscated a lot of it, see he was involved with Philadelphia in Newport News, and when the involved scientists started conveniently dropping dead left and right he decided to get the hell out of dodge in a hurry and moved on to Switzerland, and subsequently became reclusive, but between his own obfuscation, deliberate misinformation by the navy, and the convenient death of most others involved, getting any FACTS out of the whole mess is all but impossible.
One amusing and persistent urban myth, which I don't give much credence to, but find entertaining as potential story fodder is "Dora".
(named for the Mittlebau camp prisoners who were supposedly worked to death and or killed to protect the secret)
Now the Germans had some rather interesting designs on the table, Die Glocke, the VRIL and Haunebu, and suchlike, but so late in the war with supplies running short and working in improvised workships its pretty unlikely they got any of them build even in concept.
But the "Dora" story was of a functional, saucer shaped craft running on a high energy electomag basis similar to TT Browns engines powered by a primitive sodium reactor, which also had bizarre side effects like causing aurora borealis and microrifts with the potential to explode as energies from incompatible universes encountered each other, not to mention the more mundane dangers of radiation poisoning, getting fragged by exploding transformers and the like - but functional ENOUGH for a select group of the high command and their shock troops to escape to antarctica.
Complete bollocks mind you - but given that some of the late-war "wonder weapons" were SO ridiculously advanced that we and others we unable to actually produce them till the 1950s(1) or later despite having jacked both the designs and the scientists, for it's time that rumor persisted and served to make some quite interesting stories in fiction (even David Drake pitched in a couple), and also gave us the hilarious bit of camp that is Iron Sky.
(1) - Yah, we stole a lot of it, and we were not alone in that, both the F86 Sabre and the Mig15 are rather blatantly ripped off the Focke-Wulf Ta-183 prototype (nonfunctional) and design work, and our flying wing type bombers incorporated much from the original Horten and Gotha designs.
There's also many lingering questions about the SR71, given just how technologically out of place the damn thing is, but since that pissant McNamara had the original tooling and design work destroyed cause it was in competition with his own (ludicrously LESS effective) pet projects, we'll likely never know.
-Frem
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But the "Dora" story was of a functional, saucer shaped craft running on a high energy electomag basis similar to TT Browns engines powered by a primitive sodium reactor, which also had bizarre side effects like causing aurora borealis and microrifts with the potential to explode as energies from incompatible universes encountered each other, not to mention the more mundane dangers of radiation poisoning, getting fragged by exploding transformers and the like - but functional ENOUGH for a select group of the high command and their shock troops to escape to antarctica.
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Complete bollocks mind you
Whew okay. I'm still trying to figure out how much of this is real and the veracity of an actual electrogravity effect.
I could see auroras being produced, because auroras are ions and high altitudes they might trigger much the same reaction. But micro-rifts and incompatible universes? I confess myself a little more dubious on that front.
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Same here, but it made for an interesting story basis for some fiction authors.
What's kinda scary is just how crazy, crackbrained, yet remarkably effective some of that late war tech COULD have been, if they'd ever gotten the kinks out - case in point the Me163B armed with Jagdfaust launchers - too damn fast to catch, much less even fight, and all they had to do was fly under a bomber and let the photocell-triggered Jagdfaust do the rest.
Of course, there was this wee little problem with actually safely LANDING one of those nasty little hornets... musta been one hell of a ride though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_163
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagdfaust
-Frem
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I'm going to continue looking, but off hand it still seems like ionic propulsion to me. Townsend mentioned some sort of interaction with earth gravitational field, but I don't yet see the context of what he was doing at the time or how he measured that. Low pressure experiments apparently detect some force still, or maybe even an entirely different force, but no effect is observed in a vacuum.
If there is another force it sounds to me like induction and magnetism - if that is even something that happens, as various experiments on this phenomena seem to get mixed results. Could the effect be sensitive to the Earth's magnetic field? But on the other hand you'd THINK they'd have accounted for the possibility of induction.
Other explanations beyond ion propulsion or induced magnetism, perhaps involving superconductive behaviour of the resulting ion cloud interacting with the object, or photon interactions with the ions or electrons, or quantum mechanic funniness, like a division between inertial and gravitation mass, or something like the atom trampoline, seem needlessly exotic. Especially in view of the non-functioning in a vacuum.
I need to know more to rule out the more outlandish possibilities though.
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Most Toxic Food in the World? Farmed Salmon.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/farmed-salmon-most-toxic-f
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I know, right?
I see ppl eating farmed salmon bc "salmon is healthy" and I hate to burst their bubble, so I don't. One woman who worked for me was concerned about health, so she ate a lot of (farmed) salmon and soy. Terrible choices!
I knew another woman who was a (stupid) vegan, and SHE believed that all she needed to do was eat fruit. My god, the woman was emotionally deranged, a complete basket case. She died very young of a heart attack.
I take to heart KIKI's comment that we are OBLIGATE OMNIVORES: Due to our biochemistry (we can't make our own B12 and Vita C) we MUST eat both fish/meat AND fruits/veggies high in vitamin C.
We don't know our own biochemistry, not at the basic level and definitely not at the individual level. (An Army study on nutritional requirements showed a 10,000-fold difference between individuals for one vitamin. the summary didn't say which one) and we don't even know what's in our food (just look at the explosion of interest in te various trace components like polyphenols, fibers, resistant starches, and "colors" like lycopenes and anthocyanins) so how can we create something when we don't know our target?
Anyway, organic veggies and fruits, wild-caught seafood, and grass-fed grazers, just like in nature. All very expensive. Hardly anyone can afford it.
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I don't think I've had any real food since around the late 90's.
This is another byproduct of overpopulation. It's really a necessity at this point.
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Well, if it's a priority and if people have any sort of yard at all, unless it's irremediably contaminated with lead or PCBs or some other persistent pollutant, there's no excuse for people not having access to SOME "real food".
I hear about poor, inner-city neighborhoods being awash with fast food and how fresh veggies and eggs are impossible to find, and I read about how young people don't hve jobs and I can't help but wonder why they don't turn any of that spare time into growing food. I mean, even if I'm renting, I wouldn't plant any fruit trees but I can can still plant a garden. There's an awful lot of unused potential in urban and suburban gardening/farming.
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That's all true, but though I think the idea is great I don't really see it happening.
I'm as big of an offender on this subject as anybody else is. My back yard is huge, and I don't do it. I had set up a raised garden many years back and only used it one year with a basically failed tomato crop and then let it fall into disrepair until I finally removed it last summer.
If you don't enjoy doing something, it's really hard to start forming that habit. I find no pleasure in gardening. And at the end of the day it's not like I make the most healthy choices anyhow. I'm a lot better than I used to be for sure, but I've still left myself with large room for improvement with things that are objectively easier than learning how to get good at gardening and lying to myself about enjoying it.
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