The Undoing of Joss Whedon – Jan. 17, 2022
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UPDATED: Thursday, April 27, 2023 09:14
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Quote:My theory is that Joss pissed off FOX TV people who then placed Firefly in the Friday Night Death Slot and scrambled the viewing order of episodes.
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Originally posted by THG:
I love firefly but not buffy or the other one Angel, I think. I love the shield series and what he did with the Avengers, but his public personality was a complete con. Apparently, he was a prick.
I don't wish to take shots at the guy, and he doesn't answer to me, but you reap what you sow. Having liked him and been a fan, it's a bit of a letdown.
T
Joss could get back to work by writing comic books. He did The Runaways. If he delivers scripts on time and avoids obnoxiousness, he won't be cancelled. Since Joss delivered only 6 issues in 14 months, it is not a certainty he won't get cancelled. Runaways #25-30 (April 2007 - June 2008)
The Joss Whedon Era
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Runaways_story_arcs#The_Joss_Whe
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The evidence of him being a prick is there Second so your comment about FOX fucking with him because he was a jerk is plausible. That said, he is a major talent so he will work again. It just may take a while. If he is smart his public profile will become his work profile.
Just my opinion, but I feel what he needs to do now is fully take responsibility for his indiscretions and write something to good for the money people to turn down. The thing about once being a fan is that he gets the benefit of the doubt with me if he is sorry and has changed.
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Quote:Comics are Joss Whedon's future. He could do Firefly. Or something:
Originally posted by THG:
The evidence of him being a prick is there Second so your comment about FOX fucking with him because he was a jerk is plausible. That said, he is a major talent so he will work again. It just may take a while. If he is smart his public profile will become his work profile.
Just my opinion, but I feel what he needs to do now is fully take responsibility for his indiscretions and write something to good for the money people to turn down. The thing about once being a fan is that he gets the benefit of the doubt with me if he is sorry and has changed.
T
You can download for free Joss Whedon’s Runaways Vol. 08 – Dead End Kids (2009) (225 MB)
https://getcomics.info/marvel/runaways-vol-1-11-extras-tpb-collection-
2004-2015/
The comic has time travel, aliens, magic, superheroes, amazing flying machines, criminals, bad parenting, fist/sword/gun fights, gender fluidity (a Runaway can shift from female to male and back again), the whole Joss Whedon shebang, except no demons nor vampires, but does have a cannibal.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Quote:Comics are Joss Whedon's future. He could do Firefly. Or something:
Originally posted by second:Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
The evidence of him being a prick is there Second so your comment about FOX fucking with him because he was a jerk is plausible. That said, he is a major talent so he will work again. It just may take a while. If he is smart his public profile will become his work profile.
Just my opinion, but I feel what he needs to do now is fully take responsibility for his indiscretions and write something to good for the money people to turn down. The thing about once being a fan is that he gets the benefit of the doubt with me if he is sorry and has changed.
T
You can download for free Joss Whedon’s Runaways Vol. 08 – Dead End Kids (2009) (225 MB)
https://getcomics.info/marvel/runaways-vol-1-11-extras-tpb-collection-
2004-2015/
The comic has time travel, aliens, magic, superheroes, amazing flying machines, criminals, bad parenting, fist/sword/gun fights, gender fluidity (a Runaway can shift from female to male and back again), the whole Joss Whedon shebang, except no demons nor vampires, but does have a cannibal.
Agreed
T
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All New Firefly is Joss Whedon's next writing job, if he wants it.
https://leagueofcomicgeeks.com/comics/series/154565/all-new-firefly
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Here is an idea for Joss. The idea might motivate him enough to leave early retirement and go back to work on Firefly!
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Interesting video SECOND. It clams my firefly experience is scrambled up and this would fix it. I see what he is saying but my understanding of Simon is that he is super intelligent and would do anything to protect his sister. Being the smartest person in the room means he could role play being a representee of the Alliance. He set the whole thing up. He was role playing when he showed up to Serenity with his sister in a box. He was representing himself as someone else. We also know he has courage and that too would allow him to act out a part and represent himself as being something he is not.
I don’t think he could have gleaned all he needed in such a short visit to the facility where they were keeping River. And the role he was playing may have limited his inquiries into what they were doing. And remember, he still needed a brain scan of River before he could fully understand what they had done to her. That was the key to his knowing how to treat her.
One could understand Simon being a bit secretive when it comes to sharing about her with the crew. Again, role playing to protect her. She was after all being turned into an operative for the Alliance. If they knew that and understood what that meant, they may have felt she was more of a threat to them then they realized and had to go. Remember again, we saw him telling the crew what he wanted. Perhaps what he felt he needed to. We didn't have insight into what he was thinking.
The videos' premise is Simon not being able to. I think he could and did.
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Quote:Joss hasn’t written a novel before. Now he has the time. The video from the fan known as Fireflyin’ is that novel’s plot:
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Interesting video SECOND.
T
For what it’s worth, here's my pitch regarding how River is Recaptured;
You bring back Saffron as an antagonist who is just one of a number of pirates / mercenaries / bounty hunter types attempting to steal some particularly valuable cargo from Serenity. The crew’s concern is defending the ship against the would-be-thieves. For once, they are on the other side of the heist.
Twist ending; Saffron wasn't after the cargo at all, but was just using that as a diversion to get close to and kidnap River. Saffron is one of the few people in the 'Verse who knows that River is on Serenity (they share a single scene together in 'Mrs Reynolds'), AND would wish harm on the crew.
Not only is Saffron going to get a big payday but she gets to hurt and humiliate Mal in the worst possible way; she takes away his ability to be a noble hero who always looks out for his crew. Somehow Saffron will put Mal into a position where he has to make a split-second decision whether to rescue River from Saffron or save his ship. Mal chooses to save Serenity and Saffron escapes with River (with Simon in hot pursuit). Mal’s decision starts the downward trajectory of his relationship with Simon (and the rest of the crew) that we witness the tail end of in the movie.
More about River Recaptured here: https://www.reddit.com/r/firefly/comments/k58o3d/river_recaptured/
After the Joss Whedon River Recaptured novel sells more copies than the sum of all previous Firefly novels, Joss can joke that his unfortunate career hiatus was a blessing. He needed to set aside some quiet time to write the novel. There could be a second novel – Washburn Returns – that sells even more copies. Joss goes onward to become a full-time novelist who eventually becomes the director of the movies (or maybe cartoons with the original Firefly actors doing voices) made from his novels. Wouldn’t that be nice? Joss hasn’t directed cartoons, so why not?
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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It would make for a good episode but unless it all works out in the end, I'm against it. I prefer episodes that bring the crew closer together not drives them apart. One of the things shows do after time is to remove all the reasons you watch the show. There is nobody left to like, to root for, to care about.
Besides, I don't see how what you suggest changes the timeline as the video does.
T
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20 years ago, one sci-fi failure almost changed everything, Published Sep. 20, 2022
https://www.inverse.com/culture/firefly-20-year-annivesary-scifi-show
The article punches Joss below the belt:
Quote:Back to Firefly:
Unlike Whedon’s most famous cult series — Buffy the Vampire Slayer — Firefly hasn’t aged well. . . . River Tam’s male-gazey vibe might have been contextualized as cool by pop culture progressives back then, but plays out as a bad fanboy trope now — especially given our shifted understanding of Whedon’s behavior behind the scenes.
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So, what was Firefly good at? What is the positive legacy of the show, other than the cool spaceship design? This is an easy one: The actors are all pretty great. Nathan Fillion is perfect as a sugar-free Han Solo. Gina Torres is deeply underrated. Summer Glau does an admirable job of escaping various annoying Whedon tropes. Morena Baccarin is fun. And, of course, Alan Tudyk is reliably hilarious.
If you believe characters are bigger than the narratives they occupy, then the true power of Firefly was its ability to basically map various aspects of fandom obsessions pretty much on accident. For better or worse, those performances reflected something in sci-fi and fantasy fans of the time. In the end, the sky may have been taken from the crew of the Serenity, but for a brief moment, this gang of desperados captured the soul of science fiction.
Turns out, they just couldn’t keep it.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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WTF Happened to Joss Whedon? (April 21, 2023)
In this episode of WTF Happened to this Celebrity, we look into the stunning rise and fall of one-time geek hero Joss Whedon.
In 1995, Whedon would land his first and to date only Academy Award nomination as one of the writers on the groundbreaking Pixar film Toy Story. The script had been in development for several years but just didn’t quite have the wow factor. So Pixar sought out Whedon to punch it up, which he did by adding the character of Rex (the toy Dinosaur) and giving a more substantial role for Bo Peep as well as taking the Buzz Lightyear character from a dim-witted self aware character to an action figure that doesn’t know he is a toy which many say saved the film.
More at https://www.joblo.com/wtf-happened-to-joss-whedon/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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