Another Putin Disaster
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UPDATED: Wednesday, August 26, 2026 22:07
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I can't help but think that Ted and Second's recent obsession with Russia is because there's literally no good news coming out of the Biden* camp right now. Even without any viewers, the dying Legacy Media doesn't have anything good to say about him.
All they can do at this point is deflect from how bad this past year has gone for everyone. The problem is, especially for poor people (a large part of their previous voter base), they can't be deflected from the realities that have been thrust upon them because of Democrat's terrible policy making.
I hope you Biden* voters are happy. The few of you who actually voted for him and not the pallets upon pallets of fraudulent mail-in votes. They have no remorse.
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Quote:With one question, most Republicans flunk the sanity test. If you asked them more questions, more Republicans would flunk the sanity test, but I’m stopping with one question: Who won in 2020?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Having a (D) after your name doesn't give you an automatic "righteous" card, and if you're a politician of EITHER party you are most likely a corrupt sleazeball who cheats on everything, including your family, your taxes, the truth and your promises. After all, look at Biden*, Harris, Pelosi, and Schumer.
Do Republicans really believe Trump won the 2020 election? Our research suggests that they do.
By Lane Cuthbert and Alexander Theodoridis
January 7, 2022
All credible evidence tells us that the 2020 election was very secure. Experts on both sides of the political aisle, and even President Donald Trump’s own Justice Department, have confirmed that 2020 was a free and fair election. Even a Republican-sponsored audit of Arizona’s results found no evidence of fraud or malfeasance.
Nevertheless, the vast majority of Republican voters say they agree with Trump’s unsubstantiated claims that the election was stolen. In our most recent University of Massachusetts at Amherst poll, fielded online Dec. 14-20 by YouGov among a nationally representative sample of the U.S. voting-age population, only 21 percent of Republicans say Joe Biden’s victory was legitimate. This is nearly identical to what we found in our April poll, in which just 19 percent of Republicans said Biden was legitimately elected. Other universities, media outlets and polling firms have found nearly identical results.
How could the “big lie” campaign convince so many Republicans that Trump won an election he so clearly lost? Some observers wonder whether these beliefs are genuine or just an example of expressive responding, a term social scientists use to mean respondents are using a survey item to register a feeling rather than express a real belief. In this case, it would mean that these Republicans, upset about Biden winning, say his victory was not legitimate even though they know deep down that it was.
What does the evidence tell us?
While it is difficult to firmly establish what respondents truly believe, clues suggest this is a genuine belief. One piece of evidence is that the result is nearly identical in phone surveys and online surveys. When people respond to phone surveys, those responses are often biased by what social scientists call “social desirability,” in which respondents say what they think makes them look good — even if that is not what they actually believe. Web-based surveys are known to reduce social desirability bias.
Other survey responses appear consistent with a true belief that the election was stolen. In our December UMass Poll, we asked those who said Biden’s presidential victory was illegitimate to select all the reasons they believed so from a list of conspiracy theories floated by those pushing the “big lie.” As you can see below, fully 83 percent say that “fraudulent ballots supporting Joe Biden were counted by election officials”; 81 percent that officials counted “absentee ballots from deceased people”; 76 percent tell us that “non-citizens and other ineligible voters were allowed to vote for Joe Biden”; 69 percent that the victory was illegitimate because “some states changed election rules in ways they should not have”; and 65 percent that election officials destroyed ballots supporting Trump.
In other words, not only do they say that Biden’s victory was not legitimate, but they endorse several (though not all) specific theories about how fraud was perpetrated.
Further, Republicans in our UMass Poll say they would be more likely to vote for 2022 GOP congressional candidates who questioned Biden’s victory and less likely to vote for those who concede that Biden won. Using a conjoint experiment, an approach likely to reduce social desirability bias and expressive response, political scientists Vin Arceneaux and Rory Truex found that Republi
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I leave the legitimacy of 2020 an open question.
Because the widespread use of mail in ballots, impossible to verify their authenticity in many districts (cover envelopes were tossed) and widespread statistical anamolies in vote counts (eg hundreds of ballots nearly in a row all swinging the same way) I cannot discount the issue of vote COUNTING fraud. And since when do I trust "establishment" "authority" figures anyway to tell the truth when
a) they have every motivation to lie ("cui bono") and
b) have lied demonstrably in the past?
Anyone who believes mainstream sources is as nutty as a Qanon follower. Anybody who "believes" ANYTHING is nutty.
The only audit that was legit IMHO was Maricopa county AZ bc I followed the details of what they did. and it was as thorough as Hans Blix' WMD audit of Iraq.
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Yes. Trump won the election without any doubt.
I'm alright with the way things are going now though.
The Democrats and the Legacy Media got what they wanted and things couldn't possibly be worse for Democrats now and nobody is tuning in to the media lies anymore.
2021 was great. Can't wait to see how they fuck up 2022! 
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Quote:Who won in 2020? That is easily decided because the facts are very clear. It's an open-and-shut case.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I leave the legitimacy of 2020 an open question.
Because the widespread use of mail in ballots, impossible to verify their authenticity in many districts (cover envelopes were tossed) and widespread statistical anamolies in vote counts (eg hundreds of ballots nearly in a row all swinging the same way) I cannot discount the issue of vote COUNTING fraud. And since when do I trust "establishment" "authority" figures anyway to tell the truth when
a) they have every motivation to lie ("cui bono") and
b) have lied demonstrably in the past?
Anyone who believes mainstream sources is as nutty as a Qanon follower. Anybody who "believes" ANYTHING is nutty.
The only audit that was legit IMHO was Maricopa county AZ bc I followed the details of what they did. and it was as thorough as Hans Blix' WMD audit of Iraq.
The wrong answer to 'Who won in 2020?' means you are crazy. Your answer, Signym, says you are insane. Congratulations! You've joined up with the majority of GOP voters and politicians!
The Russian equivalent to 'Who won in 2020?' is 'Should Ukraine be invaded before it joins NATO?'
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Quote:UNLIKE YOU I DEMAND EVIDENCE NOT BLATHER.
Originally posted by second:Quote:Who won in 2020? That is easily decided because the facts are very clear. It's an open-and-shut case.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I leave the legitimacy of 2020 an open question.
Because the widespread use of mail in ballots, impossible to verify their authenticity in many districts (cover envelopes were tossed) and widespread statistical anamolies in vote counts (eg hundreds of ballots nearly in a row all swinging the same way) I cannot discount the issue of vote COUNTING fraud. And since when do I trust "establishment" "authority" figures anyway to tell the truth when
a) they have every motivation to lie ("cui bono") and
b) have lied demonstrably in the past?
Anyone who believes mainstream sources is as nutty as a Qanon follower. Anybody who "believes" ANYTHING is nutty.
The only audit that was legit IMHO was Maricopa county AZ bc I followed the details of what they did. and it was as thorough as Hans Blix' WMD audit of Iraq.
The wrong answer to 'Who won in 2020?' means you are crazy. Your answer, Signym, says you are insane. Congratulations! You've joined up with the majority of GOP voters and politicians!
The Russian equivalent to 'Who won in 2020?' is 'Should Ukraine be invaded before it joins NATO?'
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
That has saved me from a lot of critical errors, like with Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and the whole RUSSIA COLLUSION! hoax which fell apart faster than toilet paper in water.
You should try it sometime!
The results are NOT clear, only the blather is (on both sides).
The ONLY credible audit was in Maricopa Co. If you have detailed reports of exact procedures and results of other audits, bring them forth. I doubt you can.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Quote:Signym, you and every Republican I know brags about their superiority. They are mediocre at best. Mister Donald "I am a very stable genius. Like, very smart" Trump knows his audience and defenders.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
UNLIKE YOU I DEMAND EVIDENCE NOT BLATHER.
That has saved me from a lot of critical errors, like with Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and the whole RUSSIA COLLUSION! hoax which fell apart faster than toilet paper in water.
You should try it sometime!
The results are NOT clear, only the blather is (on both sides).
The ONLY credible audit was in Maricopa Co. If you have detailed reports of exact procedures and results of other audits, bring them forth. I doubt you can.
There is a demand for more "evidence" in the 59th and last Presidential election because Trump said it was a fake election. No candidate before Trump has acted crazy about an election. Previously, when candidates got votes recounted, they accepted their lose rather than say the recount was fake. But Trump says Fake News! for a year because he is insane. You are demanding more "evidence" because you are insane, too, Signym.
It is fascinating how few votes George Washington received from the entire USA and yet he was still declared the winner by a landslide in his second term:
List of United States presidential elections by popular vote margin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elect
ions_by_popular_vote_margin
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Quote:You must be Republican then, because you're CONSTANTLY claiming how superior and important and moral you are and how shitty everyone else is! UNLIKE YOU I'm not claiming to be superior to everyone,but I'm certainly superior to a sociopathic liar who... I might add.. has not been able to find the details and technical reports of any other election audit, as I requested.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
UNLIKE YOU I DEMAND EVIDENCE NOT BLATHER.
That has saved me from a lot of critical errors, like with Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and the whole RUSSIA COLLUSION! hoax which fell apart faster than toilet paper in water.
You should try it sometime!
The results are NOT clear, only the blather is (on both sides).
The ONLY credible audit was in Maricopa Co. If you have detailed reports of exact procedures and results of other audits, bring them forth. I doubt you can.
SECOND: Signym, you and every Republican I know brags about their superiority.
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This had to have pleased Putin and was orchestrated by Trump’s later-indicted, later-pardoned campaign manager Paul Manafort, who worked as a lobbyist for the Russian-backed former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych for more than a decade.
July 18, 2016
Trump campaign guts GOP’s anti-Russia stance on Ukraine
The Trump campaign worked behind the scenes last week to make sure the new Republican platform won’t call for giving weapons to Ukraine to fight Russian and rebel forces, contradicting the view of almost all Republican foreign policy leaders in Washington.
Throughout the campaign, Trump has been dismissive of calls for supporting the Ukraine government as it fights an ongoing Russian-led intervention. Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, worked as a lobbyist for the Russian-backed former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych for more than a decade.
Still, Republican delegates at last week’s national security committee platform meeting in Cleveland were surprised when the Trump campaign orchestrated a set of events to make sure that the GOP would not pledge to give Ukraine the weapons it has been asking for from the United States.
Inside the meeting, Diana Denman, a platform committee member from Texas who was a Ted Cruz supporter, proposed a platform amendment that would call for maintaining or increasing sanctions against Russia, increasing aid for Ukraine and “providing lethal defensive weapons” to the Ukrainian military.
“Today, the post-Cold War ideal of a ‘Europe whole and free’ is being severely tested by Russia’s ongoing military aggression in Ukraine,” the amendment read. “The Ukrainian people deserve our admiration and support in their struggle.”
Trump staffers in the room, who are not delegates but are there to oversee the process, intervened. By working with pro-Trump delegates, they were able to get the issue tabled while they devised a method to roll back the language.
On the sideline, Denman tried to persuade the Trump staffers not to change the language, but failed. “I was troubled when they put aside my amendment and then watered it down,” Denman told me. “I said, ‘What is your problem with a country that wants to remain free?’ It seems like a simple thing.”
Finally, Trump staffers wrote an amendment to Denman’s amendment that stripped out the platform’s call for “providing lethal defensive weapons” and replaced it with softer language calling for “appropriate assistance.”
That amendment was voted on and passed. When the Republican Party releases its platform Monday, the official Republican party position on arms for Ukraine will be at odds with almost all the party’s national security leaders.
“This is another example of Trump being out of step with GOP leadership and the mainstream in a way that shows he would be dangerous for America and the world,” said Rachel Hoff, another platform committee member who was in the room.
Of course, Trump is not the only politician to oppose sending lethal weapons to Ukraine. President Obama decided not to authorize it, despite recommendations to do so from his top Europe officials in the State Department and the military. The United States has provided Ukraine with non-lethal equipment and aid.
Trump’s view of Russia has always been friendlier than most Republicans. He’s said he would “get along very well” with Vladimir Putin and called it a “great honor” when Putin praised him. Trump has done a lot of business in Russia and has been traveling there since 1987. Last August, he said of Ukraine joining NATO, “I wouldn’t care.” He traveled there in September, and he told Ukrainians their war is “really a problem that affects Europe a lot more than it affects us.”
For Trump, the biggest threat to Europe is not Russia, according to people familiar with his thinking. He believes the United States should focus on helping Europe fight Islamist terrorism and open borders, not confronting Putin. He has called for a reduction of the U.S. commitment to NATO. He simply doesn’t see Russia as a dangerous th
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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You must be Republican then, because you're CONSTANTLY claiming how superior and important and moral you are and how shitty everyone else is!
BURN!
Sigs is really owning it this week.
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