In the garden, and RAIN!!!!
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Quote:Cellulose gum is carboxymethylcellulose, an emulsifier, which - along with polysorbate 80 - was shown to damage the tight junctions in the gut in mice/rats (I forget which).
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I highlighted the part where I said I have nothing against sweeteners.
AFA whether Boost was introduced in 1991 v 1994 ... someone is remembering something from 30 years ago! I'm surprised KIKI got the date that close! ALL of my doctors have said: NO SUGAR. That's one thing they all agree on.
I don't understand something about the formulation: it sayd 37 grams carbs, only 15 grams sugar, but no fiber. Where do the remaining 22 g of carbs come from? Isn't cellulose gum a fiber? Something seriously whacked there!
Looking it up, I see that there are 3 FDA carbohydrate categories - sugar, starch, and fiber.
from a couple of different websites:
In 2016, the FDA released its definition of dietary fiber, which identified two general classes of fiber: naturally occurring fibers that are “intrinsic and intact” in plants and “isolated or synthetic non-digestible carbohydrates (with three or more monomeric units) determined by FDA to have physiological effects that are beneficial to human health."
The first category – plant fiber that is intrinsic and intact – occurs in foods such as vegetables, whole grains, fruits, cereal bran, flaked cereal and flours. It is considered "intact" because this kind of fiber has not been removed from the food. According to the FDA, “foods containing these fibers have been shown to be beneficial, and manufacturers do not need to demonstrate that they provide beneficial physiological effects to human health.”
The second category of fiber – isolated or synthetic – includes non-digestible carbohydrates that are separated from their original plant form or that do not arise naturally in plants. These are commonly used in processed foods to boost fiber content or otherwise improve the product. The FDA allows these ingredients to be called fiber only if they have a “beneficial effect on human health,” such as lowering cholesterol or glucose levels, increasing frequency of bowel movements, or improving mineral absorption.
https://www.foodprocessing.com/articles/2020/fdas-fiber-list-grows/
Looking into it, only a few things can be considered 'dietary fiber'. FDA fibers are
2016
Beta-glucan soluble fiber
Psyllium husk
Cellulose
Guar gum
Pectin
Locust bean gum
Hydroxypropylmethylcellulose.
2018
Arabinoxylan;
Alginate;
Inulin and inulin-type fructans;
High amylose starch (resistant starch 2);
Galactooligosaccharide;
Polydextrose;
Resistant maltodextrin/dextrin
Mixed plant cell wall fibers.
https://fdasimplified.com/blog/fda-updates-the-list-of-recognized-diet
ary-fibers/
Who knew? I thought anything that wasn't a sugar (a monosaccharide or disaccharide of 5 or 6 carbon sugars) or starch (several sugars put together) that was made of sugar molecules put together that was indigestible by us humans was automatically a 'fiber'. And apparently it was! up until 2016, when the FDA spelled out what could be called a fiber, and what couldn't (then added to the list in 2018).
So the FDA definition of fiber underwent a HUGE definitional/ regulatory transformation in 2016(2018) when it regulated that only certain specific items could be listed as 'fiber'.
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Back from my walk and it dribbled on me on my way back. So it is trying to rain and I got a cute umbrella icon on my computer now.
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Hey Brenda - how cold is it there?
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Quote:WOW! You just know everything about everything, dontcha?
SIGNYM:
Have not looked into Boost yet. I see there is some difference of opinion on it. Just got the Dr-recommended protein drink. It has 30 g protein per bottle - that's a lot!- and almost no carbs. Never thought I'd say this, but it's too sweet! Probably has a crapton of sweetener in it. Don't know what, haven't looked at the ingredients yet. Good thing I didn't get a lot.
I have nothing against sweeteners per se, I don't think they're poison, but it's off-puttingly sweet, so I'll probably will continue with my milk+whey+ natural sweetener and fill in with 1/2 bottles of the other stuff to round out my protein to 50-60g/day and continue with squats since my thighs seem to be the weakest. I'll take a big hit next Friday and be down for 2 weeks but should recover steadily after that.
Managed to walk the dog a bit around the corner and do some bathroom tidying and cleaning,
and make a big salad for dinner - lettuce, spinach, tomato, cucumber, celery, some leftover green onions, shredded leftover parmesan (from Jan1), leftover cubed chicken, cubed ham, hardboiled egg, shaved red pepper on top. I couldn't eat it, but it sure looked tasty!
Dog is on a new diet too: raw meat, organ meat, veggies, bone meal etc and sheseems to appreciate it. She was pogoing around today looking for lizards today like a puppy!
JSF: hmmmmm.
I looked up your Premiere Protein. It seems to claim 24 vitamins and minerals, much of which are less than 10%, and less than 5%, and even less than 1%. If you really need 60% of your Recommended Daily Allowance of protein in liquid form and actually believe it will be absorbed in that form, then perhaps 30g is what you need. But the primary factor I saw was sucralose.
If I had any doctor who advised me to consume the poison sucralose, for any reason, I would drop that doctor.
If you want to proclaim that sucralose is not poison, then please stop beating around the bush and plainly state so, so I can stop typing to enlighten you.
Sucralose is a trichlirinate. Engineered, designed, created, and manufactured to be poison, engineered to kill living things, a pesticide. After creation, it was found to be 600 times sweeter than sugar, so they decided to pour it directly into human foods. It consists of the poisonous 3 molecules of chlorine mashed together with 1 molecule of sugar. Manufactured by industrial chemical facilities, they make plenty of profits by poisoning humans.
If you need more protein, feel free to try Boost High Protein. I have tried it previously. When training athletes, amateur and professional, I have suggested trying it to see if they found it beneficial. None of us have been vegetarians. We got our protein from meat. With that level of energy consumption, hunger for meat was never short.
There are a bunch of websites I should list here, but I can't do that now.
SIGNY: I highlighted the part where I said I have nothing against sweeteners.
AFA whether Boost was introduced in 1991 v 1994 ... someone is remembering something from 30 years ago! I'm surprised KIKI got the date that close! ALL of my doctors have said: NO SUGAR. That's one thing they all agree on.
I don't understand something about the formulation: it sayd 37 grams carbs, only 15 grams sugar, but no fiber. Where do the remaining 22 g of carbs come from? Isn't cellulose gum a fiber? Something seriously whacked there!
JSF: OK, it sounds like you are denying sucralose is poison. BTW, I've heard antifreeze is also quite sweet - maybe that will solve your health problems as well.
No sugar? Do they think you are allergic to sugar? Are these doctors 12? Are these diversity hire doctors? With doctors like that, no wonder they told you to drink poison. Good luck.
Maybe YOU should take over my care and do my surgery!
Oh, wait... you have no idea what's wrong, or h
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Quote:Let me try a few.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:hmmmmm.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Have not looked into Boost yet. I see there is some difference of opinion on it. Just got the Dr-recommended protein drink. It has 30 g protein per bottle - that's a lot!- and almost no carbs. Never thought I'd say this, but it's too sweet! Probably has a crapton of sweetener in it. Don't know what, haven't looked at the ingredients yet. Good thing I didn't get a lot.
I have nothing against sweeteners per se, I don't think they're poison, but it's off-puttingly sweet, so I'll probably will continue with my milk+whey+ natural sweetener and fill in with 1/2 bottles of the other stuff to round out my protein to 50-60g/day and continue with squats since my thighs seem to be the weakest. I'll take a big hit next Friday and be down for 2 weeks but should recover steadily after that.
Managed to walk the dog a bit around the corner and do some bathroom tidying and cleaning,
and make a big salad for dinner - lettuce, spinach, tomato, cucumber, celery, some leftover green onions, shredded leftover parmesan (from Jan1), leftover cubed chicken, cubed ham, hardboiled egg, shaved red pepper on top. I couldn't eat it, but it sure looked tasty!
Dog is on a new diet too: raw meat, organ meat, veggies, bone meal etc and sheseems to appreciate it. She was pogoing around today looking for lizards today like a puppy!
Other than Kiki blathering out of her bung, I've never heard controversy about Boost.
I looked up your Premiere Protein. It seems to claim 24 vitamins and minerals, much of which are less than 10%, and less than 5%, and even less than 1%. If you really need 60% of your Recommended Daily Allowance of protein in liquid form and actually believe it will be absorbed in that form, then perhaps 30g is what you need. But the primary factor I saw was sucralose.
If I had any doctor who advised me to consume the poison sucralose, for any reason, I would drop that doctor.
If you want to proclaim that sucralose is not poison, then please stop beating around the bush and plainly state so, so I can stop typing to enlighten you.
Sucralose is a trichlorinate. Engineered, designed, created, and manufactured to be poison, engineered to kill living things, a pesticide. After creation, it was found to be 600 times sweeter than sugar, so they decided to pour it directly into human foods. It consists of the poisonous 3 molecules of chlorine mashed together with 1 molecule of sugar. Manufactured by industrial chemical facilities, they make plenty of profits by poisoning humans.
If you need more protein, feel free to try Boost High Protein. I have tried it previously. When training athletes, amateur and professional, I have suggested trying it to see if they found it beneficial. None of us have been vegetarians. We got our protein from meat. With that level of energy consumption, hunger for meat was never short.
There are a bunch of websites I should list here, but I can't do that now.
Most websites discussing sucralose are owned and operated by the Industrial Chemical Company which manufactures it, in order to drown out the factusl sites. But as early as about 2006 or -7 there was at least one site which wrapped things up pretty well. One coworker looked at it, about 10 virtual pages on the home page, of anecdotal testimonies, and she said that this site was like reading her medical history of the past 8 years. I assume that site is no longer in the search results, so is likely not included here.
I do not have time right now to thoroughy read through all of these. But from what I skim now, all of these symptoms i am familiar with resulting from sucralose, except allergic reaction. I do not see a complete and comprehensive list among these of all of the ill effects of sucralose that I am familiar with.
https://draxe.com/nutrition/sucralose/
https://healthyfocus.org/7-sucralose-side-effects/
https://healt
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So, speaking of online diagnosis by strangers... I used to be pretty good at online diagnosis when I hung out at the Mass General neurowebforum before it shut down. Nailed four dxs (five, if I include our dear daughter) of some pretty rare conditions by description only. Learned a lot, too!
Been thinking about why your thyroid stopped working after surgery, BRENDA. The thyroid is under control of the pituitary and hypothalamus, which are located right next to each other in the very central part of the brain. Because of their location, it's unlikely they would have operated anywhere near there.
But just to be certain: have you ever been dxd with CENTRAL hypothyroidism? i.e. failure of the pituitary to stimulate the thyroid? Or is this just failure of the thyroid itself?
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If it's just the thyroid, a sideways thought occurred to me: Hashimoto's thyroiditis/ Hashimoto's encephalitis.
It comes from an autoimmune response which is set off by gluten sensitivity. Instead of all of the usual intestinal symptoms, often the first symptom is neurological: stroke-like symptoms or seizures that seem to come and go, alongside, or followed by, hypothyroidism. I know that you have a definite cause for seizures but I wonder if this is being complicated by another condition?
There are specific tests for it.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16525066/
Any time someone pops up with hypothyroidism with no preceding cause, I do wonder if this was ever considered. It may explain why control by Keppra sort of comes and goes. It would be unusual. Just a thought.
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https://health.clevelandclinic.org/is-sucralose-splenda-bad-for-you/
“While sucralose may cause problems at higher doses, most people consume nowhere near that amount,” says Patton. “If you enjoy sucralose occasionally and in moderation, it isn’t likely to have a major effect on your health.”
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/sucralose-good-or-bad
If you like the taste of sucralose and your body handles it well, it’s probably fine to use in moderation. There’s certainly no clear cut evidence that it’s harmful to humans.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/could-artificial-sweeteners-be-bad
-for-your-brain-2017060711849
Would it be better if I started adding sugar to my coffee rather than my current routine of adding sucralose? I’m not sure. And this study gives me no guidance.
https://www.prevention.com/food-nutrition/healthy-eating/a20464317/hea
lth-risks-of-sucralose/
So if you want something sweet, your best option is regular sugar in moderation (not sucralose)—no more than 100 calories, or 6 added teaspoons a day, per the American Heart Association’s recommendations.
The conclusions from sites that have no particular agenda to push are equivocal about sucralose. And they don't provide answers that indicate real harm. CERTAINLY they're not calling it poison!
And if all your doctors tell you NO SUGAR!, maybe they really mean NO SUGAR!
But hey, I'm sure your 'expert' opinion means something to ... well, you, anyway.
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Is sucralose safe?
So what’s the verdict on sucralose? It’s complicated.
JSF, from your links
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It’s true that research has raised some concerns. Yet scientists haven’t found any direct negative health effects in people who consume sucralose long-term. That’s true both for healthy people and those with diabetes.
“While sucralose may cause problems at higher doses, most people consume nowhere near that amount,” says Patton. “If you enjoy sucralose occasionally and in moderation, it isn’t likely to have a major effect on your health.”
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Hey Brenda - how cold is it there?
Right now at 8:48pm on Monday evening it is sitting at 6C which is around 42F. Fairly warm actually.
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