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Quote:That was Mal sayin' he loved her (not that he realized it, 'course). He doesn't like to love. It complicates matters.
Originally posted by MIKER:
When Mal suggests to Inara in Serenity the move " your always twisting me about, foging things up". I can see you believing Inara playing a bigger role in Mals thinking than maybe she is. Maybe Mal is just suggesting to her she makes things more difficult.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:That was Mal sayin' he loved her (not that he realized it, 'course). He doesn't like to love. It complicates matters.
Originally posted by MIKER:
When Mal suggests to Inara in Serenity the move " your always twisting me about, foging things up". I can see you believing Inara playing a bigger role in Mals thinking than maybe she is. Maybe Mal is just suggesting to her she makes things more difficult.
Yes, CHRISISALL I agree with your point of view on this. Her confusing him did evolve around his love for her.
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Quote:There are good TV shows about a chemist cooking meth who kills, a psycho politician who kills a reporter, a gangster who visits his shrink -- and kills. I can watch Mal when he acts bad. I can like Mal and Firefly without constant, never-ending rationalizing away any and every bad thing Mal does.
Originally posted by MIKER:
I will use one of your points SECOND to explain my thinking. Mal did not get paid to kill Ranse. All may have believed it would come to that but that was just the outcome. Remember Mal suggesting to Inare in her shuttle he was going to explain it to Ranse. Big difference. I think you may be missing the point of cause and effect in your observations.
Your post of the script is great. It is right there in black and white. Jayne betrayed the crew. Mal confronted him and when Jayne showed true remorse Mal gave him a second chance.(no pun intended).I think your explanations SECOND are perceptions; coming from reading into the minds of the characters, rather than observing any consistency in their behavior. I don't know but( Perhaps you ) SECOND are a conspiracist. What is the obvious never is and events have a much darker and confused meaning lurking beneath. Is that so?
When Mal suggests to Inara in Serenity the movie" your always twisting me about, foging things up". I can see you believing Inara playing a bigger role in Mals thinking than maybe she is. Maybe Mal is just suggesting to her she makes things more difficult.
That said, I haven't seen any insults flying around, but instead differing points of view. Their have been some good arugrements made. Still I don't see you SECOND coming to the tabe as far as agreeing on anything. That's OK.
While I like to discuss these types of things, I agree with BYTEMITE that if we can find no common ground maybe we should give it a rest.
Let Mal be bad.
One thing about Mal that separates him from the meth chemist on Breaking Bad and the evil politician on House of Cards and the gangster on The Sopranos is that those people deserve death and Mal deserves life. He is on his way up after hitting the bottom. When he finally becomes a much better man, we will be thrilled for him.
http://www.deviantart.com/art/Firefly-poster-447094042
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second
One thing about Mal that separates him from the meth chemist on Breaking Bad and the evil politician on House of Cards and the gangster on The Sopranos is that those people deserve death and Mal deserves life. He is on his way up after hitting the bottom. When he finally becomes a much better man, we will be thrilled for him.
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Miker
I agree Mal is picking himself up off the ground after the war, also that his humanity remains much in tacked. I would describe Mal as a badass not as a bad man. What you want of Mal for your viewing enjoyment is all about you and not who Mal is.
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Quote:As far as I'm concerned, Mal hit bottom on Haven. Book's death was the last straw. NOT killing the Operative was his salvation (in more ways than one). At the end of Serenity, he IS that much better man IMO.
Originally posted by second:
He is on his way up after hitting the bottom. When he finally becomes a much better man, we will be thrilled for him.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:As far as I'm concerned, Mal hit bottom on Haven. Book's death was the last straw. NOT killing the Operative was his salvation (in more ways than one). At the end of Serenity, he IS that much better man IMO.
Originally posted by second:
He is on his way up after hitting the bottom. When he finally becomes a much better man, we will be thrilled for him.
Again I agree and am going to exit from this discussion. What I would add is, we have come at this from all angles now and I feel for me it is time to put it to bed.
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Quote:Mal's story is not finished. There are 3 issues left of "Leaves in the Wind". Mal is freeing Zoe from prison. He will show whether he has learned the subtle difference between bad (as in Biblical Ten commandment #6 ) and bad-ass. I want him to be both. I hope he lives up to his name: "Mal", bad in Latin.
Originally posted by MIKER:
we have come at this from all angles now and I feel for me it is time to put it to bed.
Simple rationalizations (“Mal wasn't bad! That was necessary!” “Mal is a really good man in a really bad situation”) are completely against the very spirit of good television. The only person who should rationalize away Mal's badness is Inara, because she loves him. Everybody else, don't, unless you also are in love.
Need a definition of bad-ass? Of formidable strength or skill. Tough and dangerous. Bad-ass is not the same as bad. Mal can become more bad-ass as he becomes less bad. Book became a bigger bad-ass as he became less bad, showing how Mal can change. Read the Shepherd's Tale to see Book's ethical growth from teen to old man. Mal could follow the same path, but much faster. www.darkhorse.com/Books/17-221/Serenity-The-Shepherds-Tale
http://ali-radicali.deviantart.com/art/Malcolm-Reynolds-370390660
http://regeneratedarts.deviantart.com/art/Shepherd-Book-445085983
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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I came across this while on google.
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Originally posted by THG:
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Not that American national politics is a TV show, but if he doesn't deviate from the apparent plot line, Trump is the main villain for the next few seasons.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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