Per the CDC: We've reached Herd Immunity

POSTED BY: 6IXSTRINGJACK
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6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, September 12, 2021 8:55 AM

https://www.city-journal.org/good-news-from-cdc-on-delta-variant-covid
-pandemic

So everybody can just go right on and shut the fuck up about it now, m'kay?

1KIKI

Sunday, September 12, 2021 12:04 PM

... among blood donors.

That's a critical caveat.

SIGNYM

Sunday, September 12, 2021 12:05 PM

That was the point I was getting to under "Covid thoughts".

I noticed that the infection rate wasn't just "decreasing sharply", it's as if it had hit a wall. Run out of potential victims. It's too early to tell, but the last 4-5 data points are interesting.

If so, both the Democrats who were running around with their hair on fire about vaccine mandates, AND Republicans hoping that the Biden* administration would stumble on this issue, would BOTH be wrong.

Somehow, despite lurching from one extreme to another - LOCKDOWNS! FREEDOM! MASKS! THE VAX WILL KILL YOU!- we may have made it to some sort of resting point.

I will probably want booster shots, since I'm STILL in a vulnerable population, and I suppose others in my situation will mostly feel the same.

And we still have to look out for variants that can overcome or evade our immune response from both the vaccine AND natural infection. Evolution doesn't stand still, and there is a giant petri dish out there for nature to perform her experiments.

I hope we've all learned something, but I doubt it. SIX is still thumping his brainless "resistance", DREAMTROVE is still convinced that the vax will kill you, JO still thinks that "they" need to be vaccinated by force, SECOND still brings TRUMP! into every possible discussion, etc etc.

Anti-vaxers will still be paranoid anti-vaxers, and pro-government mandates peeps will still be for government mandates, and almost nobody will bother to look AT REALITY bc they will be far too immersed in their ideology to come up for air.

There's one thing I've learned from this, to: People can be stampeded very easily, and it's not just the goernment doing the stampeding, it's the online nutcases as well as the mendacious M$M.

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1KIKI

Sunday, September 12, 2021 12:11 PM

Looking backwards to look forwards ...

A lot of deaths could have been prevented. We are where we are today with a huge burden of completely avoidable suffering and over 3/4 of a million deaths.

Some countries managed to have almost no deaths, and reached COVID-19 protected status even earlier than we did, with their people and their economies intact.

So are we going to take Jack's lesson? 'If we just close our eyes and minds to suffering and death we'll eventually stumble through anything'?

Or are we going to take the lesson of many successful countries? 'Early intervention works best and fastest to benefit the most people in the most ways'?

1KIKI

Sunday, September 12, 2021 12:17 PM

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63571&p=63

I think the data is pretty clear.
Country-wide intervention is important.
Early intervention is best, to keep a pandemic from becoming epidemic in a country.
Once an epidemic has taken hold in a country, restrictions work, but can't be maintained indefinitely.
To date, vaccinations provide superior protection against death, even when 'natural immunity' exists.

SIGNYM

Sunday, September 12, 2021 12:28 PM

With something as infectious as SARS-Cov2, I don't know that you CAN keep it from being established and spreading, UNLESS you have tremendous border control.

Border control has to come first.

After that, I think the next fuckup that happened was the CDC ignoring that one Dr who was using a flu sentinal lab to detect the first case of Covid. And then the CDC insisting on using THEIR test kits, when many health labs were ready and waiting to run samples using their own procedures. Yanno, I understand the desirability of using standardized procedures, but when you're in "survey" mode you don't have the luxury.

After that, lockdowns and then the sourcing of as many N95s as could be produced. Apparently, USA industry is not light on its feet and the military has no expertise in filling an urgent demand. That needs to change.

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SIGNYM

Sunday, September 12, 2021 3:25 PM

Oh, BTW, I want to make clear why I'm against vaccine mandates IN THIS CASE.

It's not because I think your (or my) rights are so precious but because IT'S NOT NECESSARY.

The CURRENT vaccine does a good enough job of protecting the vaccinated, and not such a bang-up job of protecting the unvaccinated. So people who refuse the vaccine, even tho it would be medically beneficial for them to get it, are hurting mainly themselves. And, yanno, I'm not in such a hurry to protect people from themselves. It only becomes an issue if it affects my pocketbook, where large sums of tax dollars are extracted from my pocket to pay for people being stupid.

But let me flip the situation around:

Let's say there is a deadly, highly infectious disease that primarily affects the young, and the younger the child, the higher the risk. And let's say that, on-average, it kills 10% of those under 12, and leaves another 5% with permanent, life affecting heart, lung, kidney, or brain damage.

And let's say that by some quirk of the immune system, vaccines don't work on those under-12: it might provide 40% protection against developing severe disease but seems to have a high complication rate at that age. But the vaccine DOES work particularly well in the over-20, providing 95% or better protection against SPREADING the disease.

In that case, I'd have NO PROBLEM mandating vaccines for anyone who has any contact with children, even if it's being in the same grocery store with them, which would be ... well... pretty much everyone except those in nursing homes and assisted living and prisons, And I would quarantine those facilities from receiving young visitors.

So you see, my decision changes with changing circumstances, which would be expected if one is paying atttention to reality AND if one's goal is the collective good of the USA.

"Life, liberty, and the pursuitof happiness" doesn't appear in our Constitution, but it does appear in the Declaration of Independence, and I think they got the order correct:

Your right not to wear a "face diaper" doesn't trump someone else's right to life.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, September 12, 2021 6:24 PM

The only people who have a lesson to learn here are TPTB and the Legacy Media.

They have a SEVERE trust problem, and they've spent decades earning it.

Any future deaths from any man-made viruses of their making are on their hands.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, September 12, 2021 6:33 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The only people who have a lesson to learn here are TPTB and the Legacy Media.

They have a SEVERE trust problem, and they've spent decades earning it.

Any future deaths from any man-made viruses of their making are on their hands.

Case in point:

The last paragraph of this article today...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/is-bidens-vaccine-mandate-smart
-politics-or-civil-war/ar-AAOjwKO

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A major question I have is whether in their rush to show how determined they are to defend the God-given freedom of Americans to infect oneself and others with a lethal disease, Republican pols and opinion leaders are in danger of unleashing some dark and disruptive forces. When Vance and others started talking about “massive civil disobedience” or pledging non-compliance with the mandate, they brought in the rhetoric of the January 6 insurrectionists with whom they may begin to merge in the public consciousness, particularly if you-know-who smells the tear gas in the air and joins the demands for a rebellion. Nothing would help Joe Biden or his party more in the midterms if it becomes not a referendum on the first two years of his presidency but a referendum on those who continue to reject the legitimacy of the current occupant of the White House.

Not one fucking mention of a years worth of BLM/Antifa riots and looting.

Not one.

The only parallel they can draw is from a few idiots on a single day early this year.

More people die on any given Saturday in Chicago than died on January 6th.

And a lot of those are kids catching stray bullets in the face.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

1KIKI

Sunday, September 12, 2021 6:41 PM

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The only people who have a lesson to learn here are TPTB and the Legacy Media.

????

I have no idea
1) what 'lesson' you think they're going to learn
2) why you think they're going to learn it
3) what you think they're going to learn it from
4) what your point is.
Maybe there's some explanation somewhere, but I'm not following it.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, September 12, 2021 6:56 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

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The only people who have a lesson to learn here are TPTB and the Legacy Media.
????

Did you even look at the post I put below it before writing this?

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I have no idea
1) what 'lesson' you think they're going to learn

LESSON 1: Stop making viruses in a lab.
LESSON 2: Don't put a liar like Fauci as your face.
LESSON 3: Stop having two separate narratives for everything in the Media to compete for boner pill dollars.

For "3" check out this video, starting at 5:59.

The whole video is good, but I'm specifically addressing the difference between our media here and that in the UK.

The caveat being that I wouldn't trust State Funded news either because the State has given us no reason to trust anything they say for decades too.

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2) why you think they're going to learn it

I don't.

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3) what you think they're going to learn it from

From how bad everything has gone the last 1 1/2 years and what's still to come.

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4) what your point is.

If you can't figure that out, there's no reason for you to bother posting again.

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Maybe there's some explanation somewhere, but I'm not following it.

That much is apparent.

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1KIKI

Sunday, September 12, 2021 8:05 PM

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Did you even look at the post I put below (posted later) it before writing this?(posted earlier)

Sorry, I don't time-travel.

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1) what 'lesson' you think they're going to learn

LESSON 1: Stop making viruses in a lab.
LESSON 2: Don't put a liar like Fauci as your face.
LESSON 3: Stop having two separate narratives for everything in the Media to compete for boner pill dollars.
For "3" check out this video, starting at 5:59.

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The 2 COVID-19 narratives in the US came from different political persuasions: the Trump 'don't worry, be happy (and vote for me)' persuasion and the democratic* 'this is awful (don't vote for the bungler') persuasion. If you want to keep the m$m down to one narrative, you'll have to silence one political side. In other words, endorse censorship and one-sided propaganda.

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The caveat being that I wouldn't trust State Funded news either because the State has given us no reason to trust anything they say for decades too.

Nobody is without some bias. Which is why you should go to many places to get your news.

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2) why you think they're going to learn it
I don't.

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3) what you think they're going to learn it from
From how bad everything has gone the last 1 1/2 years and what's still to come.

If tptb want to make everyone dependent and needy, I'd say tbtb have done a fantastic job and things have gone well for them! Never better!

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4) what your point is. If you can't figure that out, there's no reason for you to bother posting again.

It's hard for me to unscramble a pov with so many internal contradictions and external deviations from reality!

SIGNYM

Sunday, September 12, 2021 11:31 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The only people who have a lesson to learn here are TPTB and the Legacy Media.
They have a SEVERE trust problem, and they've spent decades earning it.
Any future deaths from any man-made viruses of their making are on their hands.

Which means that you have no responsibility at all for - if nothing else - attempting to seek THE TRUTH (i.e "what is really happening?) for YOUR OWN PROTECTION?

It's not as if the information isn't out there! There are biochemistry texts and sources from outside the USA with different interests and a different slant. Sources which I have REPEATEDLY pointed out.

Instead, at a time when being calm and rational is at premium, you decide to "think" with your adrenals and your ideology; and at a time when looking around for the tidbits of truth that you can find you decide to close your eyes and plug your ears, and become yet ONE MORE source of DISINFORMATION on the web?

Good going, SIX!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, September 13, 2021 3:43 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The only people who have a lesson to learn here are TPTB and the Legacy Media.
They have a SEVERE trust problem, and they've spent decades earning it.
Any future deaths from any man-made viruses of their making are on their hands.

Which means that you have no responsibility at all for - if nothing else - attempting to seek THE TRUTH (i.e "what is really happening?) for YOUR OWN PROTECTION?

My own protection is not taking an untested vaccination.

2/3rds of the people who rushed to get it now are walking around with vaccinations that still aren't approved by the FDA. The other third is walking around with the vaccination created by the highest bidder for FDA approval.

No thanks. There's ZERO ROI for me getting the jab. You can have mine.

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SIGNYM

Monday, September 13, 2021 4:30 AM

I understand your ROI argument. I've made it for you.

But your boneheaded statement that nobody ever died of Covid killed your credibility on the topic. At least DT brings interesting POV to the table that needs to be investigated; you're just a Roomba with bad programming.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, September 13, 2021 4:31 AM

Nobody died of Covid. Nobody has ever proven otherwise to me.

For you to say that they have, I feel the same way about you and your "research".

Sus.

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1KIKI

Monday, September 13, 2021 4:48 AM

Jack

Since you disagree with all death certificates written and signed by all actual doctors, pathologists, coroners, and medical examiners, all around the globe, it would be hard to figure out what you would consider proof, or even evidence.

But your blanket refusal to accept ANYTHING as reality is, well, your problem. So. Whatever.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, September 13, 2021 5:37 AM

If they listed Covid as a comorbiditiy and not the cause, then they'd have a case.

But they don't and they're lying. They get paid and/or ordered to lie.

NOBODY DIED OF COVID-19.

Not one single person.

Period.

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SIGNYM

Monday, September 13, 2021 7:01 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK, posting disinformation.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, September 13, 2021 8:38 AM

Nope.

It's a fact, Jack.

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1KIKI

Monday, September 13, 2021 8:51 AM

Don't you mean it's a Jacked-fact?

Do you even read yourself? Because that's some brand of crazy paranoia you've got going on - to think the every single death certificate on the entire planet is falsified by every single person on the orders of every single government.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, September 13, 2021 8:54 AM

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1KIKI

Monday, September 13, 2021 9:41 AM

Do I care what John Lennon had to say about anything?

Not really.

Famous people say crap all the time and get away with it because there's always going to be somebody there to fawn on their words. But it doesn't mean it's not crap.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, September 13, 2021 5:39 PM

Paranoia is a state of heightened awareness. Most people are persecuted beyond their wildest delusions. ~Claude Steiner

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

1KIKI

Tuesday, September 14, 2021 7:05 AM

Are you going for 'appeal to authority' or 'appeal to the masses'?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, September 14, 2021 9:07 AM

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Appeal

1. make a serious or urgent request, typically to the public.
"police are appealing for information about the incident"
2. Law
apply to a higher court for a reversal of the decision of a lower court.
"he said he would appeal against the conviction"

3.
be attractive or interesting.
"the range of topics will appeal to youngsters"

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Are you going for 'appeal to authority'

I don't ask shit of authority, urgently or otherwise.

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or 'appeal to the masses'?

I can't help that I'm gorgeous and appeal to anyone who looks at me.

But only somebody really special gets to see my appealing phallusy.

https://www2.humboldt.edu/act/HTML/tests/fallacy4/review.html

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1KIKI

Tuesday, September 14, 2021 11:04 AM

Appeal To Authority
The Appeal To Authority is an argument in which some authority figure (whether it be a person, a book, or an association/institution, etc) is held up as the sole reason to believe or disbelieve a given conclusion.

Appeal To The Masses
An Appeal To The Masses is one of the laziest, weak minded, and philosophically revealing fallacies one can engage in. In short, this is the form of such an argument:
X is true because everyone (or a majority of people) believes it.

But look up the definitions yourself, if you don't believe these.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, September 14, 2021 6:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Appeal To Authority
The Appeal To Authority is an argument in which some authority figure (whether it be a person, a book, or an association/institution, etc) is held up as the sole reason to believe or disbelieve a given conclusion.

Appeal To The Masses
An Appeal To The Masses is one of the laziest, weak minded, and philosophically revealing fallacies one can engage in. In short, this is the form of such an argument:
X is true because everyone (or a majority of people) believes it.

But look up the definitions yourself, if you don't believe these.

See my link, dummy.

I already posted it because I knew you would go into this thinking that you're smarter than I am.

SPOILER ALERT: You ain't.

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SIGNYM

Tuesday, September 14, 2021 7:04 PM

well, guess that caveat about "herd immunity" applying to BLOOD DONORS is an important one, because I just checked DIVOC-91 and those last four or five points of the USA have suddenly reversed themselves - the latest point is higher than the last high point. So the "cases" curve has resumed it's steady march upwards.

Worse, the "deaths" curve- which is really what this is all about- has not only not started to heel over, the last point just shot up, well beyond the expected trend.

I GUESS WE BETTER PUT THE CORK BACK IN THE CHAMPAGNE BOTTLE, SIX!

To drill down where this is all coming from ...

The state with the shockingly high per-capita "cases" is TN, which is almost twice as high as the next state, which is Kentucky. So, "new cases", in top-down order oer capita:

TN* (*takes the booby prize for the day)
KY
AK
WY
WV
SC
NC
GA
OK
ID
IN ... COMING YOUR WAY, SIX!

In terms of deaths per capita, it's

FL
MS
GA
AR
LA
SC
TX, TN, NC, WV and possibly one other state bc they're all printed on top of each other

But since overall USA numbers aren't driven by state "per capita" numbers, the states with the highest total number of new deaths are

FL
TX
GA
CA
NC
TN ... and after that, they're all displayed on top of each other so it's impossible to figure out

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, September 14, 2021 7:09 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I GUESS WE BETTER PUT THE CORK BACK IN THE CHAMPAGNE BOTTLE, SIX!

I wasn't celebrating anything.

This has all been lies since the beginning. All you've done right now is post another lie.

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SIGNYM

Tuesday, September 14, 2021 7:16 PM

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SIGNYM:
I GUESS WE BETTER PUT THE CORK BACK IN THE CHAMPAGNE BOTTLE, SIX!

SIX: I wasn't celebrating anything.
This has all been lies since the beginning. All you've done right now is post another lie.

So you made a whole new thread about a lie?

You're getting as self-contradictory as SECOND!

That's why I pay very little attention to what you post on the topic.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, September 14, 2021 7:33 PM

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So you made a whole new thread about a lie?

Yes. I did.

And you see how quickly they contradicted themselves with yet another lie.

Because they're liars.

I give two shits if you take anything that I say seriously on this topic.

I don't take anything you say seriously because you're just regurgitating lies that liars are telling you.

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SIGNYM

Tuesday, September 14, 2021 7:44 PM

Yep, and the whole world is lying, SIX.
Just to fool you!

You're on the end of the spectrum with JO753, just on different topic.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, September 14, 2021 8:00 PM

It's completely obvious what's happening. My chipmunk could figure it out. The disease burns out again and again and needs to stoked back into existence by doctors injecting people with covid. The vax is a pretense to do that. This makes it not a "pandemic" but biowarfare. And like wiht the depopulation, population control, population replacement, the NWO always says "we need X amount", and then when they get to X they're like "we actually need Y now", and they keep going until they reach 100%

1KIKI

Tuesday, September 14, 2021 9:40 PM

Your link didn't have my specific wording, Jack ... Appeal to the Masses ... which is why I posted what I posted. Just so you would know my specific claim existed. And btw, that whole part about an Appeal To The Masses being "one of the laziest, weak minded, and philosophically revealing fallacies one can engage in" came from the webpage, word for word ... it wasn't in any way from me.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, September 14, 2021 11:07 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yep, and the whole world is lying, SIX.
Just to fool you!

Not me.

But they sure got you.

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
It's completely obvious what's happening. My chipmunk could figure it out. The disease burns out again and again and needs to stoked back into existence by doctors injecting people with covid. The vax is a pretense to do that. This makes it not a "pandemic" but biowarfare. And like wiht the depopulation, population control, population replacement, the NWO always says "we need X amount", and then when they get to X they're like "we actually need Y now", and they keep going until they reach 100%

At least as likely as any of the Media lies on the topic.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Blah, blah, blah...

Don't care.

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1KIKI

Wednesday, September 15, 2021 12:10 AM

Anyway, **I** believe that there's a big Eye of Sauron in the sky, seeing all with malevolent intent. The only problem is that I can't convince everyone, or even anyone, they need to be careful - to not get its attention, to not provoke it in any way. They keep asking me for evidence. And they keep pointing out no one has ever seen it, or measured it, or detected it in any way, despite all the technology and simple human vision directed upwards. But that's the big trick. The Eye of Sauron is carefully hidden so no one can see it. That's how it does its work. Capiche? The reason why you can't see it is exactly because it's there. It all makes sense.

No, I really don't believe that. I'm just pointing out that the difference between reality and imagination (or delusion) is evidence.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, September 15, 2021 1:34 AM

What part about I don't care don't you understand?

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1KIKI

Wednesday, September 15, 2021 4:52 AM

Obviously you care enough to think my post was directed to you, and to reply.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, September 15, 2021 5:59 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Your link didn't have my specific wording, Jack ... Appeal to the Masses ... which is why I posted what I posted. Just so you would know my specific claim existed. And btw, that whole part about an Appeal To The Masses being "one of the laziest, weak minded, and philosophically revealing fallacies one can engage in" came from the webpage, word for word ... it wasn't in any way from me.

Sounds like Appeal To The Masse4s is your rationalization for AIDS - now we finally know.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, September 15, 2021 6:09 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Jack

Since you disagree with all death certificates written and signed by all actual doctors, pathologists, coroners, and medical examiners, all around the globe, it would be hard to figure out what you would consider proof, or even evidence.

But your blanket refusal to accept ANYTHING as reality is, well, your problem. So. Whatever.

For the last couple years now, you constantly deny the facts that these Death Certificates are falsified by all of these corrupt, incompetent, fraudulent affirmative action hire coroners, MEs, pathologists, stenographers for an extra $14,000 per page.

Even when admitted to be falsified, you still deny reality.

Even when investigations reveal widespread systemic corruption and falsification, fraud, you still deny reality.

Even when your pseudo-heroic CDC admits they outright lied, yu still deny reality.

Even when CDC has been "realigning" their data with reality, in stages, one of which cut the figures IN HALF, you still deny reality.

Your credibility is shot.
Why should anybody listen to you continued lies now?

SIGNYM

Thursday, September 16, 2021 5:03 PM

JSF: You don't read very well. There's a difference between seeing that there may be SOME falsified data, as opposed to believin that ALLof the data, worldwide, is falsified, as SIX does. Because SIX had repeated, categorically, that NOBODY has died of Covid, at all, anywhere.

"Diversity hires" in..... Iran? China? India? Brazil?

Besides, what would it benefit Iran, say, or N Korea, which have been shut out of most of the civilized world, to admit that they have a Covid-19 problem? all it does is make their governments look weak and unsuccessful, in the eyes of the world. As far as I can tell, there is no ROI, as SIX would say, to tell the world that a large part of your leadership has keeled over fomr Covid (Iran) or that you have food shortages because of Covid (N Korea). It's not going to win them any points, either at home OR abroad.

And I don't know what delusion you have about AIDS, but whatever it is, I'd sure like to see some EVIDENCE for it.

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1KIKI

Thursday, September 16, 2021 6:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Sounds like Appeal To The Masse4s is your rationalization for AIDS - now we finally know.

No, not really. Unlike you, for example, I've read the intricate studies behind HIV/AIDS with all the EVIDENCE they contain. It's the EVIDENCE that's convinced me, not the number of names behind the idea.

Anyway, since you don't seem to understand logical fallacies maybe you should try again.

1KIKI

Thursday, September 16, 2021 6:12 PM

Quote:
For the last couple years now, you constantly deny the facts that these Death Certificates are falsified by all of these corrupt, incompetent, fraudulent affirmative action hire coroners, MEs, pathologists, stenographers for an extra $14,000 per page.

Where's your evidence that ALL death certificates and figures from ALL countries ALL around the globe are TOTALLY AND WITHOUT EXCEPTION falsified?

Because that's Jack's claim, which is the claim you're supporting.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, September 16, 2021 6:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Sounds like Appeal To The Masse4s is your rationalization for AIDS - now we finally know.
No, not really. Unlike you, for example, I've read the intricate studies behind HIV/AIDS with all the EVIDENCE they contain. It's the EVIDENCE that's convinced me, not the number of names behind the idea.

Anyway, since you don't seem to understand logical fallacies maybe you should try again.

You don't get to win arguments by claiming anything anybody else says is a logical fallacy and pretending that you're smarter than everybody else.

You should probably just drop that line of bullshit while you're ahead.

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1KIKI

Thursday, September 16, 2021 9:29 PM

You're kinda' stuck on that 'smarter' characterization. Is that because you feel threatened?

In any case, it's absolutely true that I know far more than either of you about the topic.

And unlike JSF I'm using the 'logical fallacies' labels correctly. You, OTOH, haven't shown ... well, Jack ... about them.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, September 16, 2021 10:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

You're kinda' stuck on that 'smarter' characterization. Is that because you feel threatened?

I couldn't possibly feel any less threatened unless I were having this same conversation with Ted.

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SIGNYM

Thursday, September 16, 2021 10:53 PM

SIX's problem is that he's oppositional and he's against 1) higher education and 2) anything that anyone in "authority" has said (and that seems to include pre-Covid and well-establised understanding of biochemistry). And once he's staked out a public position (Trump will win, Republicans will take the house, or what-have-you) he can't admit he was wrong. Ever. He just waits until events carry the discussion past his wrong predictions/proclamations so they will fade from history.

That's not working with Covid because it's an ongoing problem, and the longer it has gone on the more and more oppositional he's become about it, rejecting (as I ptsed) even pre-Covid, well-established understanding of viruses, genetics, biochemistry etc. I've tried pointing out Chris Martensen's videos as a non-establishment guy who digs into the biochemistry, but SIX won't make use of the info out there.

Which is weird bc he's quite capable of learning online about all kinds of other things, like computer programming and home renovation, and is otherwise an intelligent guy who can start on a wrong approach and self-correct.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, September 16, 2021 11:05 PM

I wholly reject your ASSessment.

I'm right again. Like I nearly always am.

Time is on my side.

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SIGNYM

Thursday, September 16, 2021 11:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I wholly reject your ASSessment.
I'm right again. Like I nearly always am.
Time is on my side.

Thank you for illustrating my point.

AFA JSF ... I don't know what's going on with him, he doesn't post very much, but he appears to be genuinely hidebound about what he "knows" and unwilling to admit that he's wrong, or that there's something "out there" that he DOESN'T know that's important.

It seems like people commit to a POV/conclusion and don't take the stance that they should act like an ongoing jury: listening to the evidence, no matter how difficult to understand or parse, come to a measure decision, and revise their opinion if new evidence comes to light.

When this whole Covid thing began, I was all about masking, because early studies seemed to show that it could reduce (if nothing else) the number of virus particles that people were hit with, and potentially give their immune systems a head start. But in the real world, with all of the "face coverings" out there, the idea doesn't seem very effective. It DOES decrease the number of infections by a few percent, so I guess it's better than nothing, but certainly wouldn't allow us to go "back to normal" and I wouldn't rely on it as a strategy against Covid-19.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, September 17, 2021 12:15 AM

My point is that I'm not wrong.

Don't care how you think that effects any point you thought you were making.

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1KIKI

Friday, September 17, 2021 1:49 AM

It looks like JSF took his HIV/AIDS position in the 80's and Jack did when his age was in the single digits. That's a long time to make a point of not learning anything new. Obviously it's emotional responses driving that (and very 'youthful' ones at that), not an intellectual response.

SIGNYM

Friday, September 17, 2021 2:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
My point is that I'm not wrong.

Don't care how you think that effects any point you thought you were making.

But what if you're wrong?

You never seem to take that into account.

Someone refuses to admit that they might be wrong is someone refuses to learn.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, September 17, 2021 6:53 AM

I'm not wrong. Not about this.

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SIGNYM

Friday, September 17, 2021 6:12 PM

TOTALLY BIASED "REPORTING"

Quote:
Why Does No One Ever Talk About Sweden Anymore?
Friday, Sep 17, 2021 - 03:30 AM
Via 'Unmasked" substack,

One of the most consistently repeated trends of COVID has been the premature declarations of victory from areas with a perceived level of “success” in “controlling” the pandemic.

It’s happened in countries all over the world — Vietnam, Japan, Taiwan, Australia, Mongolia — just to name a few examples. They all have been praised for their ability to “control” the virus with masks and public health measures, only to then see cases invariably skyrocket.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/why-does-no-one-ever-talk-about-swe
den-anymore

Well, yes, We've heard much about Sweden.
At one time I compared Sweden to Finland and it nearest neighbor, demographically and geographically, Norway,

So, how DOES it stack up to other nations in terms of controlling Covid-19?

First of all, overall the sequence of peaks in cases and deaths doesn't match. There is an early peak in "deaths" UNACCOMPANIED for the most part by "cases" because the lack of test kits early on prevented a confirmed SARS-Cov2 infection, altho clinical picture and excess deaths support the attribution to Covid. After that, "cases" and "deaths" show the expected correlation.

SWEDEN'S basic numbers per 100,000
Cases, peaks: 73, 60, 10 (delta)
Deaths, peaks: early (before "cases") 1, midpoint 1.6, late (delta) near zero

AUSTRALIA
Cases: near zero thru the duration until (delta) when it rose to 7
Deaths: (early) 0.08, then near zero, currently (delta) 0.03

ISRAEL
Cases, three peaks, (early midoint) 70, (midpoint) 90, and (delta) 110
Deaths, (early midpoint) 0.4, (midpoint) 0.7, (delta) 0.3
NOTE: Israel missed the first wave of death

JAPAN
Cases: (midpoint) 5, (late midpoint) 4, (delta) 20 and dropping
Deaths (Midpoint) 0.08, (late midpoint) 0.08, (delta) 0.03
NOTE: Japan missed the first waves of death. Also, Japan's population is elderly

NORWAY
Cases (midpoint) 12, (late midpoint)17, (delta) 27
Deaths (early) 0.2 early, (midpoint) 0.1 (delta) near 0.
NOTE: Norway is Sweden's nearest geographic, cultural and demographic neighbor. Its death rate has been near zero except when otherwise noted.

VIETNAM
Cases: near zero until (delta), where it has leveled off at 13.
Deaths: appx 0.3 throughout

So, in terms of controlling Covid-19, Sweden has NOT done a fantastic job, and all of the other nations that this article tries to spin as "failures" have been more successful, some wildly so.

The authors COULD have argued that the economic price to pay for avoiding all of that suffering and death was too high. But that would have meant a messy argument about values, so they decided to be dishonest and spin the data instead.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, September 17, 2021 6:16 PM

There was no death-via-Covid here either, so there's that.

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SIGNYM

Friday, September 17, 2021 6:31 PM

EDITED TO ADD UNITED STATES per 100,000 (for comparison)

Cases: (early midpoint) 20, (midpoint) 70, 75*, (delta) 55
Deaths: (early) 0.7, (early midpoint) 0.3, (midpoint) 0.85, 1.1, (delta) 0.6

* The USA is geographically large and politically diverse, and had MANY "waves" of infections and deaths - some larger than others- as SARS-CoV2 spread into new areas. There were two more identifiable "waves" that I didn't mention because they weren't as significant.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, September 17, 2021 6:35 PM

And nobody died of the flu.

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1KIKI

Friday, September 17, 2021 10:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

So, in terms of controlling Covid-19, Sweden has NOT done a fantastic job, and all of the other nations that this article tries to spin as "failures" have been more successful, some wildly so.

The authors COULD have argued that the economic price to pay for avoiding all of that suffering and death was too high. But that would have meant a messy argument about values, so they decided to be dishonest and spin the data instead.

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I myself have read, and debunked to myself many such articles by either looking at referenced links or real-world data, or both. It drives me nuts when people write such obvious misinformation, when there's so much available global information and data.

SIGNYM

Saturday, September 18, 2021 2:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
There was no death-via-Covid here either, so there's that.

. Yep, and all of those nations, including Sweden (which handled Covid-19 in line with YOUR libertarian ideology, SIX!) are reporting illnesses and deaths just to mess with you.

Riiiight.

And you thought DT was on the crazy train!

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, September 18, 2021 6:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
There was no death-via-Covid here either, so there's that.
. Yep, and all of those nations, including Sweden (which handled Covid-19 in line with YOUR libertarian ideology, SIX!) are reporting illnesses and deaths just to mess with you.

Riiiight.

And you thought DT was on the crazy train!

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Why do you keep saying they're doing it to mess with me?

I've never once said that. I'm not buying it.

They're messing with you.

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1KIKI

Saturday, September 18, 2021 7:25 AM

Yeah, you merely dismiss all real-world data because you THINK the ENTIRE PLANET is trying to mess with you.

So instead, you're messing with yourself. And doing a fine job!

SIGNYM

Saturday, September 18, 2021 8:32 AM

Quote:
6IXSTRINGJACK:
There was no death-via-Covid here either, so there's that.

SIGNY: Yep, and all of those nations, including Sweden (which handled Covid-19 in line with YOUR libertarian ideology, SIX!) are reporting illnesses and deaths just to mess with you.
Riiiight.
And you thought DT was on the crazy train!

SIX: Why do you keep saying they're doing it to mess with me?
I've never once said that. I'm not buying it.
They're messing with you.

Oh, "they're" messsing with me?

WHY?

Think this one thru (for a change) SIX:

What POSSIBLE motivation would - say- SWEDEN - have to convince me, and the rest of the world, that they have a Covid-19 problem if they didn't? ESPECIALLY since their manner of "dealing with it" (stay open, let the old folks die) only brought them a lot of worldwide criticism?

Wouldn't it be far easier for them to fudge the numbers DOWNWARDS? Make their numbers look more like - say- Vietnam's? Then they could boast Success!! Our approach not only saved the economy, it saved LIVES!

Another example: Iran. NOT in favor with the liberal west. WHY would they admit that their elder mullahs, their religious and cultural elite, were keeling over like bowling pins at a bowling alley when all it would get them would be back-of-hand sniggers Oh look, those religious anti-science nutjobs are getting sick because they didn't believe that Covid was a virus? Wouldn't it have been far easier for them to "reclassify" or ignore a whole bunch of illness and death so they could claim Success! Allah has struck down the infidel and protected the faithful!

I could - and have- already named several nations that have no internal political or foreign policy reasons to claim deaths that haven't occurred. There are, however, nations (like India) that have an interest in claiming success that hasn't happened.

You're interpreting the entire world as if it was Indianna.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, September 18, 2021 9:09 AM

They're messing with you because you are allowing them to mess with you.

It's nothing personal.

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SIGNYM

Saturday, September 18, 2021 9:31 AM

No, they're* reporting illnesses and deaths which they* have no reason whatsoever to exaggerate, and I'm simply passing it on.

I have no idea what you're doing.

* Specific nations that have been harshly criticized, internally and externally (by "the west"), which would only come in for MORE criticism if they admitted to a serious Covid-19 problem.

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, September 23, 2021 4:19 AM

Couple kicked out of restaurant for wearing masks. Well, a bar, really, with very loud music.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/couple-wore-masks-inside-texas-124846396.htm
l

1KIKI

Thursday, September 23, 2021 6:50 AM

"they chose to wear masks to protect Austin, who has cystic fibrosis and is immunocompromised" and they misunderstood the hostess who asked them to remove their masks, as per the owner's 'dress code'.

Crazy.

I thought those Texans were agin' anybody telling them what to do.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, September 23, 2021 7:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

"they chose to wear masks to protect Austin, who has cystic fibrosis and is immunocompromised" and they misunderstood the hostess who asked them to remove their masks, as per the owner's 'dress code'.

Crazy.

I thought those Texans were agin' anybody telling them what to do.

Haha. Love it.

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SIGNYM

Thursday, September 23, 2021 1:27 PM

So I guess the caveat on WHO has reached "herd immunity" was an important one, because ... yep, people are still getting infected and people are dying at the rate of about 2,000/day. A bit high to consider being at herd immunity, wouldn't you say?

Well, if we don't get anymore NEW variants then - unlike THUGR's "tick tock" threads - this thread will eventually be true. We just don't know when.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, September 23, 2021 5:36 PM

No. There aren't 2,000 people per day dying of Covid.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, September 23, 2021 5:54 PM

lol

That was 20 years ago.

Fauci is a cunt.

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SIGNYM

Thursday, September 23, 2021 10:30 PM

Whether Fauci is a cunt or not has nothng to do with the facts on the ground, SIX. Most of the nations of the world don't give a flying fuck what Fauci says or does, and even tho they have nothing to do with him they're still reporting Covid deaths.

You would know that if you weren't so invested in denying reality.

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1KIKI

Friday, September 24, 2021 1:59 AM

Thinking about it, I'd say you're right Signy. Having risen from the start of this thread to roughly 2000 deaths/ day now, it's clear the US wasn't at 'herd immunity' when this thread was started, and still isn't now.

Maybe it'll turn the corner, but it hasn't yet.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, September 24, 2021 5:41 AM

They can throw whatever numbers they want to out there.

The deaths aren't real.

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, October 5, 2021 6:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

It looks like JSF took his HIV/AIDS position in the 80's and Jack did when his age was in the single digits. That's a long time to make a point of not learning anything new. Obviously it's emotional responses driving that (and very 'youthful' ones at that), not an intellectual response.

Looks like kiki swallowed the whole AIDS hoax, and religion, and Fauci-falsified fraud of hysteria, in the 80s, and has not learned anything since then, has not revisited her jumping to conclusions, has not opened her eyes to the incredulity opf the hoax she swallowed, but instead just kept believing in the Foundation Story, just like all cult followers do.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, October 5, 2021 6:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Thinking about it, I'd say you're right Signy. Having risen from the start of this thread to roughly 2000 deaths/ day now, it's clear the US wasn't at 'herd immunity' when this thread was started, and still isn't now.

Maybe it'll turn the corner, but it hasn't yet.

Right now, overall the USA is down about 25% "new cases" from it's Delta peak, and the new deaths have also turned down, albeit marginally.

When we're at about 10-20 new cases per day across the nation (not 2000, or 1500), I guess the virus has gotten as far as it's going to go. At that point, we've probably reached "herd immunity".

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, October 5, 2021 7:21 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Right now, overall the USA is down about 25% "new cases" from it's Delta peak,

Yup.

You didn't read that or watch it on any of the mainstream news sources though.

Funny that... innit?

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