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Monday, September 13, 2021 5:52 PM
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So I've been thinking about our problematic response to Covid-19. And the reality is, there were no TECHNICAL reasons why we couldn't have handled it better.
All of our problems are social, and political.
What it would have taken for a coordinated and effective response to the pandemic is a government interested in solving it, and a population that trusted the government, media, and scientists to have our collective interests at heart.
But I think most of us know, in our hearts, that pretty much everyone in any high position of authority/influence is really just wanting to bleed us all dry and then skin us.
Look at "our" response to 911: Instead of hunting down the perpetrators and bringing them to justice thru our criminal courts, we were put in the (brain)wash and spin cycle until most of us didn't know which way was up, and then we were were stampeded in the direction of invading two uninvolved nations; launching a boundary-less, endless, pointless "global war on terror" (GWOT); and stripping us of our civil liberties via the "Patriot" Act.
EVERY SINGLE emergency, big or small (like the global financial crisis of 2008) ... and plenty of made-up ones ... were used as the launch pad for even more depredations against us average Americans.
And I think, honestly, most people feel it. They know they're being repeatedly victimized.
So NO WONDER governments are facing huge resistance, even if the resistance is self-destructive.
I think our government, media, corporations, security-state etc are too corrupt and too far gone to restore faith. It would take a multi-decades-long project of honest government and honest reporting and honest accounting, and TPTB ... well, they're just not interested in that project! All they want to do is stay in power, line their pockets, and mind-fuck the American people.
*****
Correct. Everything.
But...
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But here's the thing: If people have reached SUCH a state of aggravation that they're willing to sacrifice their health and maybe even their lives in some sort of quixotic middle finger to TPTB ...
I guess what I don't understand is this: If people TRULY believe that they live in a hostile state, with a hostile government, then why don't they start taking their own intuition seriously and start ACTING ON IT?
You don't survive in a hostile situation by throwing temper tantrums and hissy fits, expecting the "gubmint" ... yanno, the entity that is taking away your individual and collective agency in one giant scoop after another ... to suddenly become the repentant parent, see the error of their ways, and reform. It's not going to happen
You also don't survive by denying reality. I mean, if you're walking thru a minefield you better be pretty careful where you put you feet!
So whether this crisis solves itself ... or not ... or another crisis rears its ugly head ... don't expect our government and social response to be any less dysfunctional. Yes, there are a lot of things that our government/media/security state etc "could" do, and even more urgent things that they "should" do, but none of them are going to get done because none of the politicians standing for election have the honesty and integrity to tell the American people the truth, and even if they did and came close to power, they wouldn't survive.
I'm not sacrificing my health or my life to give a middle finger to anybody. I'm not denying reality either. That's your interpretation of what I'm doing because you bought into this bullshit.
As far as "acting on it", what are you suggesting?
I vote, even though that's little more than the last refuge of the politically impotent. I'm certainly not going to start going around wearing a mask and burning shit down like some people do.
I acted on it in my own way. Planning my financial future since
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Monday, September 13, 2021 6:35 PM
Quote:American government runs exactly as expected, but only if you account for who is in charge of what. George Bush and Dick Cheney had a history in government and after 9/11 they ran the government exactly as expected, if you account for who they are. This assumes you paid attention to what they did before the crisis. If you had, you knew what they would do after the 9/11. If you don’t pay attention, everything is unexpected and inexplicably confusing.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So I've been thinking about our problematic response to Covid-19. And the reality is, there were no TECHNICAL reasons why we couldn't have handled it better.
All of our problems are social, and political. . . .
Look at "our" response to 911: Instead of hunting down the perpetrators and bringing them to justice thru our criminal courts, we were put in the (brain)wash and spin cycle until most of us didn't know which way was up, and then we were were stampeded in the direction of invading two uninvolved nations; launching a boundary-less, endless, pointless "global war on terror" (GWOT); and stripping us of our civil liberties via the "Patriot" Act.
EVERY SINGLE emergency, big or small (like the global financial crisis of 2008) ... and plenty of made-up ones ... were used as the launch pad for even more depredations against us average Americans.
The governors of Texas and Florida had a history, just like Bush and Cheney, and those governors handled Covid-19 just as predictably indifferent to deaths as Bush and Cheney handled the million deaths that followed from their 9/11 policies.
So long as there are Senators like Ted Cruz and John Cornyn from Texas, America will be governed as the Republicans want. You might vote for a Republican to solve your problems, but once in office your Republican Senator will act the same as Ted Cruz, who is not there to solve your problems.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cornyn
Why can’t Democrats counteract the Republicans? Look at Senators Bernie Sanders and Patrick Leahy from Vermont. You can depend on Bernie to oppose Cruz, but Leahy, who is the only Democrat ever elected to the U.S. Senate from Vermont, is better suited to be a Republican than a Democrat. If Leahy had not been born blind in one eye to give him a taste of suffering and a concern for others less fortunate, he’d be the Republican Senator from Vermont, while Bernie is the Independent Senator. Again, this is why America will be governed as the Republicans want. If you don’t like it, too bad. Texas likes Republicans, so the Federal government will be bent by Senator Cruz to do what Texas wants.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Leahy
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Monday, September 13, 2021 6:54 PM
Quote:I wasn't addressing you, specifically. Maybe YOU aren't, but some are
SIGNYM:
So I've been thinking about our problematic response to Covid-19. And the reality is, there were no TECHNICAL reasons why we couldn't have handled it better.
All of our problems are social, and political.
What it would have taken for a coordinated and effective response to the pandemic is a government interested in solving it, and a population that trusted the government, media, and scientists to have our collective interests at heart.
But I think most of us know, in our hearts, that pretty much everyone in any high position of authority/influence is really just wanting to bleed us all dry and then skin us.
Look at "our" response to 911: Instead of hunting down the perpetrators and bringing them to justice thru our criminal courts, we were put in the (brain)wash and spin cycle until most of us didn't know which way was up, and then we were were stampeded in the direction of invading two uninvolved nations; launching a boundary-less, endless, pointless "global war on terror" (GWOT); and stripping us of our civil liberties via the "Patriot" Act.
EVERY SINGLE emergency, big or small (like the global financial crisis of 2008) ... and plenty of made-up ones ... were used as the launch pad for even more depredations against us average Americans.
And I think, honestly, most people feel it. They know they're being repeatedly victimized.
So NO WONDER governments are facing huge resistance, even if the resistance is self-destructive.
I think our government, media, corporations, security-state etc are too corrupt and too far gone to restore faith. It would take a multi-decades-long project of honest government and honest reporting and honest accounting, and TPTB ... well, they're just not interested in that project! All they want to do is stay in power, line their pockets, and mind-fuck the American people...
SIX: Correct. Everything.
But...
SIGNY: But here's the thing: If people have reached SUCH a state of aggravation that they're willing to sacrifice their health and maybe even their lives in some sort of quixotic middle finger to TPTB ...
I guess what I don't understand is this: If people TRULY believe that they live in a hostile state, with a hostile government, then why don't they start taking their own intuition seriously and start ACTING ON IT?
You don't survive in a hostile situation by throwing temper tantrums and hissy fits, expecting the "gubmint" ... yanno, the entity that is taking away your individual and collective agency in one giant scoop after another ... to suddenly become the repentant parent, see the error of their ways, and reform. It's not going to happen
You also don't survive by denying reality. I mean, if you're walking thru a minefield you better be pretty careful where you put you feet!
So whether this crisis solves itself ... or not ... or another crisis rears its ugly head ... don't expect our government and social response to be any less dysfunctional. Yes, there are a lot of things that our government/media/security state etc "could" do, and even more urgent things that they "should" do, but none of them are going to get done because none of the politicians standing for election have the honesty and integrity to tell the American people the truth, and even if they did and came close to power, they wouldn't survive.
SIX: I'm not sacrificing my health or my life to give a middle finger to anybody.
Quote:Oh, you are.
SIX: I'm not denying reality either.
Big time!
But it's not just you.
Look at JO: he STILL thinks Rachel Madcow is telling him The Truth. He hasn't figured out (yet) that he's being lied to 24/7/365.
Look at SECOND: He's stuck in a delusion where only Republicans do bad things.
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SIX: As far as "acting on it", what are you suggesting?
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Monday, September 13, 2021 11:19 PM
The US death rate from COVID-19 is still unbelievably high
The US death rate from COVID-19 is no longer skyrocketing, but it's still going up. Our mortality rate is 150% above Britain and more than 1000% higher than Germany.
https://jabberwocking.com/the-us-death-rate-from-covid-19-is-still-unb
elievably-high/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Tuesday, September 14, 2021 12:43 AM
We seem to be 2 years into this whole virus Covid lockdown thing, more Corona lockdowns from an event almost 2 years ago I think one of the first users on fireflyfans was 1KIKI posting medical reports, indie news items and a mix of online chat and gossip that a new virus was coming from the East out of Wuhan China, it then started to burn through Italian and Spanish hsopitals, it arrived in London and I think 1KIKI said it would be in the USA if not by December 2019 it would arrive by Jan 2020
Total Death
USA 678,125
Brazil 586,882
India 443,375
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Graphs
http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/
Had COVID? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9
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Tuesday, September 14, 2021 5:44 AM
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
SIGNYM:
So I've been thinking about our problematic response to Covid-19. And the reality is, there were no TECHNICAL reasons why we couldn't have handled it better.
All of our problems are social, and political.
What it would have taken for a coordinated and effective response to the pandemic is a government interested in solving it, and a population that trusted the government, media, and scientists to have our collective interests at heart.
But I think most of us know, in our hearts, that pretty much everyone in any high position of authority/influence is really just wanting to bleed us all dry and then skin us.
Look at "our" response to 911: Instead of hunting down the perpetrators and bringing them to justice thru our criminal courts, we were put in the (brain)wash and spin cycle until most of us didn't know which way was up, and then we were were stampeded in the direction of invading two uninvolved nations; launching a boundary-less, endless, pointless "global war on terror" (GWOT); and stripping us of our civil liberties via the "Patriot" Act.
EVERY SINGLE emergency, big or small (like the global financial crisis of 2008) ... and plenty of made-up ones ... were used as the launch pad for even more depredations against us average Americans.
And I think, honestly, most people feel it. They know they're being repeatedly victimized.
So NO WONDER governments are facing huge resistance, even if the resistance is self-destructive.
I think our government, media, corporations, security-state etc are too corrupt and too far gone to restore faith. It would take a multi-decades-long project of honest government and honest reporting and honest accounting, and TPTB ... well, they're just not interested in that project! All they want to do is stay in power, line their pockets, and mind-fuck the American people...
SIX: Correct. Everything.
But...
SIGNY: But here's the thing: If people have reached SUCH a state of aggravation that they're willing to sacrifice their health and maybe even their lives in some sort of quixotic middle finger to TPTB ...
I guess what I don't understand is this: If people TRULY believe that they live in a hostile state, with a hostile government, then why don't they start taking their own intuition seriously and start ACTING ON IT?
You don't survive in a hostile situation by throwing temper tantrums and hissy fits, expecting the "gubmint" ... yanno, the entity that is taking away your individual and collective agency in one giant scoop after another ... to suddenly become the repentant parent, see the error of their ways, and reform. It's not going to happen
You also don't survive by denying reality. I mean, if you're walking thru a minefield you better be pretty careful where you put you feet!
So whether this crisis solves itself ... or not ... or another crisis rears its ugly head ... don't expect our government and social response to be any less dysfunctional. Yes, there are a lot of things that our government/media/security state etc "could" do, and even more urgent things that they "should" do, but none of them are going to get done because none of the politicians standing for election have the honesty and integrity to tell the American people the truth, and even if they did and came close to power, they wouldn't survive.
SIX: I'm not sacrificing my health or my life to give a middle finger to anybody.
I wasn't addressing you, specifically. Maybe YOU aren't, but some are
My mistake. I thought you were saying that I'm risking my life and/or health by not getting vaccinated.
Quote:Oh, you are.
SIX: I'm not denying reality either.
Big time!
Says you. Whatever.
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But it's not just you.
Look at JO: he STILL thinks Rachel Madcow is telling him The Truth. He hasn't figured out (yNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Tuesday, September 14, 2021 6:41 AM
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SIX: I'm nearly completely self reliant at this point, and I'm learning new skills and gaining confidence in my ability almost every day.
This reminds of of when Bytemite said that her family could be self-reliant in just little land.
SIX- do you cut, stack, and dimension your own wood? Make your own paint? Nails? Tools?
Do you grow and preserve your own food? Draw water from your water well?
Do you have an outhouse, or at least a septic tank? Burn your own trash? Make your own electricity?
Card and spin your own threads, and weave your own cloth?
Make glass?
GROW YOUR OWN COFFEE?
You are FAR from self-reliant!
*****
There are a few things that people have recommended that have gone thru collapse, and you're well ahead of the curve.
First, they say, it helps to be young, or at least younger, and have lots of energy.
Also, to be in reasonable health and not dependent on medication.
To have many skills that one can use to exchange favors.
Looks like I'm out of luck on two of the three.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Tuesday, September 14, 2021 9:10 AM
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
SIX: I'm nearly completely self reliant at this point, and I'm learning new skills and gaining confidence in my ability almost every day.
This reminds of of when Bytemite said that her family could be self-reliant in just little land.
SIX- do you cut, stack, and dimension your own wood? Make your own paint? Nails? Tools?
Do you grow and preserve your own food? Draw water from your water well?
Do you have an outhouse, or at least a septic tank? Burn your own trash? Make your own electricity?
Card and spin your own threads, and weave your own cloth?
Make glass?
GROW YOUR OWN COFFEE?
You are FAR from self-reliant!
*****
You're making an end of the world argument.
I reject your argument.
Ain't nobody going to be worried about painting their houses in Mad Max land, and I'll just take what I want if we ever get there. Whether by persuasion or by force.
I'm only the "Good Guy" right now because we live in Society.
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There are a few things that people have recommended that have gone thru collapse, and you're well ahead of the curve.
First, they say, it helps to be young, or at least younger, and have lots of energy.
Also, to be in reasonable health and not dependent on medication.
To have many skills that one can use to exchange favors.
Looks like I'm out of luck on two of the three.
You'll be fine. America isn't going anywhere.
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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."
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Friday, September 17, 2021 5:50 AM
Quote:Are you becoming uber-sensitive to facts and truth being revealed about your trolling?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:Nearly every post you make in here and in non-political threads is inflammatory.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Congratulations on hitting 3,000 posts in this troll thread.
I had thought that 6ix was the only troll feeding the trolls of this thread.
But it looks like everybody has joined in with the Troll Feeding. I wonder how many of you will also turn into trolls like 6ix has.
You really need to look in the mirror, dick. n
Let's check some random sampled pages of this Troll thread.
Page 38:
Troll Thg has 18 posts.
Troll RF has 5 posts.
Troll JO has 5 posts.
Troll CC has 3 posts.
Troll second has 2 posts.
6ix has 13 Troll-feeding posts.
Even kiki fed the Trolls twice.
Page 45:
Troll JO has 10 posts.
Troll second has 8 posts.
Troll Thg has 5 popsts.
Troll RF has 2 posts.
wannabe Troll JT has 2 posts.
And 6ix has a whopping 23 Troll-feeding posts.
Seems kinda obvious to me.
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Friday, September 17, 2021 6:58 AM
I care even less about your opinion of anyone or anything than I do Kiki's.
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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."
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