Some Covid-19 thoughts
POSTED BY: captaincrunch
UPDATED: Monday, September 29, 2025 18:59
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Originally posted by JO753:
Best case senario: the C21 virus turnz out to be 100% fatal for the unvaksinated so the GoPs looz haf their voterz.
Funny. You've never once heard me say that the best case scenario would be that the vaccine ends up killing people so the Democrats could lose half of their voters.
It's also pretty racist of you to say too, JO, since blacks and Latinos aren't a fan of the jab.
Why do you Democrats always want people to die and cheer when they do?
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Oh, but I think that I read a few posts of yours hoping boomers would die off.
Maybe I misremember.
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How can anyone think that Biden* is serious about controlling Covid when he does this?
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Members Of Congress, Staff Exempt From Biden Vaccine Mandate
And, if course, the wide-fucking-open southern border (2 million untested, unvaccinated, and untrackable illegal immigrants?) and the refugee flood from Afghanistan at our shores?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, but I think that I read a few posts of yours hoping boomers would die off.
Maybe I misremember.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
You should probably know that for a fact before you say something like that.
Feel free to find it for me. I don't delete posts.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
How can anyone think that Biden* is serious about controlling Covid when he does this?Quote:
Members Of Congress, Staff Exempt From Biden Vaccine Mandate
And, if course, the wide-fucking-open southern border (2 million untested, unvaccinated, and untrackable illegal immigrants?) and the refugee flood from Afghanistan at our shores?
Memeology covered that a while ago. But you don't watch Memology.
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...instead of wiping out less people in a year than die from automobile accidents
SIGNY:Wrong
SIX: Yes. You are wrong in your assertion that I'm wrong.
Do you even have a ballpark figure in your head as to how many people die of automobile accidents every year? I do. You, apparently, don't. You might want to look that up instead of speaking from your ass.
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SIX: ... most of whom were close to checking out anyhow.
SIGNY: Wrong.
SIX: Yes. You are also wrong again in this assertion that I'm wrong.
Do you have any idea how many additional years those people would have lived if not for Covid-19? I do. You might want to look that up instead of speaking from your ass.
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SIGNY: But, good question: why not kill off a bunch of people? Maybe because if you kill off enough people, SOME wealth will concentrate among the sheeple, and the goal is to make the sheeple poor, not to make people dead?
SIX: The sheeple are already poor. You're a boomer at the end of your life who still has some of the pie. You just haven't noticed it in your own life that everyone after you is fucked.
People MY age are fucked. That handyman, that homeless sometime gardener, people in my own close family? They got fucked, too. It's not just people "after me" ... like everyone my age has it made ... EVERYONE is getting fucked. That's why there's 70-year-old Walmart greeters. Jeezus, SIX, stop feeling so specially picked on!
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SIGNY: The only winner so far is The Fed because it has 'lent' many big banks ... including international ones ... an unimaginable amount of money and now has them in thrall. The EU central bank (ECB) so far has not been able to crank up digital money-creation because the nation backstopping such loans ... Germany... won't go along with it.
SIX: No more in their thrall than they already were. Our currency has been monopoly money for longer than I've been alive. This didn't just happen in the last 2 months.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
...instead of wiping out less people in a year than die from automobile accidents
SIGNY:Wrong
SIX: Yes. You are wrong in your assertion that I'm wrong.
Do you even have a ballpark figure in your head as to how many people die of automobile accidents every year? I do. You, apparently, don't. You might want to look that up instead of speaking from your ass.
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SIX: ... most of whom were close to checking out anyhow.
SIGNY: Wrong.
SIX: Yes. You are also wrong again in this assertion that I'm wrong.
Do you have any idea how many additional years those people would have lived if not for Covid-19? I do. You might want to look that up instead of speaking from your ass.
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SIGNY: But, good question: why not kill off a bunch of people? Maybe because if you kill off enough people, SOME wealth will concentrate among the sheeple, and the goal is to make the sheeple poor, not to make people dead?
SIX: The sheeple are already poor. You're a boomer at the end of your life who still has some of the pie. You just haven't noticed it in your own life that everyone after you is fucked.
People MY age are fucked. That handyman, that homeless sometime gardener, people in my own close family? They got fucked, too. It's not just people "after me" ... like everyone my age has it made ... EVERYONE is getting fucked. That's why there's 70-year-old Walmart greeters. Jeezus, SIX, stop feeling so specially picked on!
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SIGNY: The only winner so far is The Fed because it has 'lent' many big banks ... including international ones ... an unimaginable amount of money and now has them in thrall. The EU central bank (ECB) so far has not been able to crank up digital money-creation because the nation backstopping such loans ... Germany... won't go along with it.
SIX: No more in their thrall than they already were. Our currency has been monopoly money for longer than I've been alive. This didn't just happen in the last 2 months.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
OK
It still doesn't say what you said I said.
Keep looking.
Because if that's all you've got, yes... You misremember.
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Anyway ...
Australia and NZ have quite frequently taken advantage of their respective island conditions to lock out awful diseases and pests. Basically, they have ocean-sized moats around their countries. And pulling up the drawbridge is a historic and time-tested tactic they have employed and do employ. They've built disease exclusion into their laws, for example long quarantines and absolute importing exclusions. And that results in neither country having existing rabies in any terrestrial animal, or scrapie (the 'mad cow' disease of sheep) for example, along with a host of other diseases and pests.
Given that there's no SARS-CoV-2 animal-to-human transmission - for example, no birds landing in either country will bring SARS-CoV-2 - it makes sense that they'd pull up the drawbridge for SARS-CoV-2.
But not every country has that geographic advantage.
I've been looking at countries besides Australia and New Zealand that have most successfully dealt with COVID-19 at some point.
Early on many countries were swift and successful adopters of test-and-quarantine, contact-tracing, border controls, social distancing, and limited lockdowns as needed (dictated by data), along with mandatory masking. SK is a notable early example, but there were many others like Japan, Cambodia, Taiwan, Vietnam, Hong Kong, and Singapore. They didn't suffer the initial onslaught of COVID-19 like many other countries. So that was Round 1, with original COVID-19.
However, once case levels in an area reach a higher level, testing-and-quarantining, contact-tracing, etc becomes impossible. And many countries were hit with a wave of COVID-19 in April and May of 2020, with Italy(Spain) as the poster-child(ren) of rapid unrestricted spread of SARS-CoV-2, and a subsequent overwhelming tsunami of COVID-19 cases and deaths. Let's just call it western and northern Europe, and the US (specifically New York and New Jersey that spiked early in tandem, followed a week later by Connecticut, then surrounding states within a week after that). Many countries instituted lockdowns and border controls, and the wave of cases was tamped down.
Belgium has an interesting demographic. Apparently only half the people in Belgium during the day are residents. Surrounding countries are like giant suburbs. People come into Belgium during the day for work or business, and then leave in the evening. Essentially Belgium has no border controls at all, and its high rate of cases and deaths are a unique result.
Exceptional cases are Iceland, which took advantage of its island status and population cohesiveness, and instituted a wide variety of control measures, which were followed by the vast majority, including border controls, travel restrictions, testing on entering, shop and restaurant closures, only selected and limited open schools, social distancing, quarantines, and directed (for symptoms) and population-wide random testing. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2211883720300873 As a result, after an initial warning spike of cases, Iceland kept cases under almost complete control during the initial 'European surge', and deaths nearly all weeks were zero.
Sweden took the opposite approach from Iceland and suffered a massive spike in deaths per capita above other European countries at the time, after the initial Italy(Spain) warning shot. It fared especially poorly compared to its demographically and geographically similar neighbors Norway, Finland, and Iceland.
But most countries imposed some kind of 'lockdown' April through May 2020, and cases and deaths fell shortly afterwards, and stayed low until ... people got tired of it.
Israel is often brought up as an example of 'vaccines don't work'. It's COVID-19 history includes a ban on people entering from high risk countries, followed 3 months later by severe restrictions in March 2020 (and to April 1) including limiting social gatherings, requiring masks indoors, social distancing, mandatory home isolation except f
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The problem was: What do you do before vaccines become available?
This issue must be solved because there will be a "next time", whether its Covid-22 or Ebola or something else.
I think that lockdowns ARE a reasonable approach, but only until you understand how the disease is spread, who the vulnerable population is (everyone? The very young? The very old?) and how you can best stop the spread.
Once it was clear that SARS-Cov2 was airborne and that the elderly were at special risk ... and I think this picture was developing early on ... the government should have moved heaven and earth to make N95s available to everyone who was at risk, and to isolate those elderly as much as possible.
What do we do next time, if the epidemic is waterborne? Or bloodborne? Or airborne, but with a HUGE fatality rate?
I hope the government is a lot faster on its feet than it was this time, and also not engaged in political persecution (QUIDPROQUO! RUSSIARUSSIA!) which was a huge distraction from the fight against pandemic.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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The countries that fared best were countries that had experienced SARS. They employed country-wide, comprehensive, early interventions. That kept SARS-CoV-2 from gaining a significant toehold.
Those were: border control, early and mass testing rollout, quarantine of people testing positive, contact tracing, social distancing, universal masking, targeted shutdowns (sometimes of restaurants and bars, sometimes of entire countries for limited times), and other measures as dictated by the data.
But obviously not all future pandemics/ epidemics will respond to those particular measures. One needs to be prepared to do more - even much more - if the threat is more serious. For example, a new threat could have the infectivity of measles, but the IFR of SARS.
That's why it's important to learn lessons from COVID-19 (which is still circulating globally and can still throw out an even worse variant). Half-baked, poorly implemented measures result in unnecessary suffering and death. If something needs to be done, it needs to be done well enough to get the result.
IMO it's not rocket surgery.
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