Some Covid-19 thoughts

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SIGNYM

Sunday, September 12, 2021 12:25 AM

Interesting but unbalanced study

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For boys 12-15 without medical comorbidities receiving their second mRNA vaccination dose, the rate of CAE is 3.7 to 6.1 times higher than their 120-day COVID-19 hospitalization risk as of August 21, 2021 (7-day hospitalizations 1.5/100k population) and 2.6-4.3-fold higher at times of high weekly hospitalization risk (7-day hospitalizations 2.1/100k), such as during January 2021. For boys 16-17 without medical comorbidities, the rate of CAE is currently 2.1 to 3.5 times higher than their 120-day COVID-19 hospitalization risk, and 1.5 to 2.5 times higher at times of high weekly COVID-19 hospitalization.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v1

What this study purports to do is assess the risks of vaccination v the risk of Covid for teenagers.

While it's an important concept, here is where I find the study is badly framed:

1) The ENDPOINTS are different. One arm of the study (the vaccinated group) was checked for "myocarditis", which is not necessarily hospitalized. (A guy who worked for me had myocarditis from a non-Covid flu [this was years before the pandemic] and all they did was give him steroids and he took a week off.) The NONvaccinated group endpoint was "hospitalization", not myocarditis. So this study is comparing apples to oranges, and I would bet that in the "vaccinated" group there were far fewer hospitalizations than there were dxd cases of myocarditis, so by choosing two different endpoints the researchers exaggerated the apparent risk of vaccination.

2) The POPULATIONS are different. In the vaccinated group, the "infection rate" is 100%. We know that because these teens were deliberately injected with the spike protein. In the UNvaccinated group, we don't know what the infection rate is. But let's say that it was 30% (which some studies indicate is reasonable) By choosing a population that is not universally infected with SARS-CoV2, these researchers haev downplayed the risk of hospitalization from Covid-19.

How does that work?
If you have a randomly-selected population of teens of unknown infection status, and one goes to the hospital, the risk of hospitalization is 1%. But lets say that 33 are infected and the remainder are not. The risk of hospitalization IF INFECTED is 1/33, or 3%.

So by inflating the apparent risk from vaccination and downplaying the risk from Covid, the authors get to claim that vaccination is riskier than SARS-CoV2. In reality, it's probably the other way around, but we would never be able to tell from this paper.

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SIGNYM

Sunday, September 12, 2021 12:32 AM

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Originally posted by JO753:
Virus #1 fertilizing the ground for #2 in action:

http:// youtu.be/Aius0vavTEs

(i du ho GoPs helping C19)

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

The real pandemic solution: http://uvpk.net/

You use Rachel Madcow as your go-to source of information???

I agree with you that the pandemic provides fertile ground for disinformation/bad programming, but Rachel is one of those spreaders of disinfo/bad programming. In a way, i agree with you, but she's prime example of what you're posting about.

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Pity would be no more,
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JO753

Sunday, September 12, 2021 12:34 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Fuck your vaccine and your fake news, JO.

I'v corolated your symtomz with the entire catalog uv dizeezez and it linez up perfectly with only 1.

running around spewing infected bile from your mouth. (OK, your typing finger, but but you get the point)

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Hopefully your dick doesn't fall off.

It did! But then a much bigger wun sprouted in its plase!

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

The real pandemic solution: http://uvpk.net/

SIGNYM

Sunday, September 12, 2021 12:49 AM

If you notice in your Rachel Madcow video, JO, she interviews ... not a medical doctor, health director, or epidemologist to discuss what's going on in Idaho, but a DEMOCRAT in the STATE LEGISLATURE.

Bias, much?

Also, Rachel Madcowhas, among the many other pieces of disinfo that she spews, spread the "horse dewormer" story (which was proven to be FALSE) via Twitter

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MSNBC silent as Rachel Maddow, Joy Reid amplify false story on ivermectin overdoses

MSNBC is staying silent as two of the network's biggest stars amplified a false story without issuing any sort of mea culpa.

Last week, several members of the liberal media nationalized a local report out of Oklahoma that completely spun remarks a doctor made to depict that overdoses of ivermectin have overwhelmed the hospital system so much so that "gunshot victims" aren't able to be treated. Such claims were debunked by the hospital system itself.

Rachel Maddow shared the KFOR report to her 10 million Twitter followers using the headline, "Patients overdosing on ivermectin backing up rural Oklahoma hospitals, ambulances" as well as a quote from the article, "'The scariest one I’ve heard of and seen is people coming in with vision loss,' he said."

The MSNBC star faced enough backlash from critics for her name to trend on Twitter, but regardless of the uproar, Maddow's tweet remained intact seven days later.

How many times do you need Rachel Madcow to lie to you before you stop trusting her?

Here's a thought, JO: Stop watching Rachel Madcow. Don't quote her or link to any of her videos. That will take you a long way to eliminating the disinfo and bad programming infecting your brain.

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Pity would be no more,
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6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, September 12, 2021 1:06 AM

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Originally posted by JO753:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Fuck your vaccine and your fake news, JO.

I'v corolated your symtomz with the entire catalog uv dizeezez and it linez up perfectly with only 1.

running around spewing infected bile from your mouth. (OK, your typing finger, but but you get the point)

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Hopefully your dick doesn't fall off.

It did! But then a much bigger wun sprouted in its plase!

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

The real pandemic solution: http://uvpk.net/

Sorry not sorry that I've offended your delicate sensibilities, JO.

If you took the vaccine, what the fuck are you worried about then?

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, September 12, 2021 1:07 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Here's a thought, JO: Stop watching Rachel Madcow. Don't quote her or link to any of her videos. That will take you a long way to eliminating the disinfo and bad programming infecting your brain.

Impossible.

It needs Rachel Maddow to tell it what to think everyday.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

JO753

Sunday, September 12, 2021 1:42 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Also, note that I said THIS virus. THIS virus is not a society-killer, unless we shoot ourselves in the foot trying to kill it.

Thats the virus tokking! 'No, dont worry about me. You got money to make. Just a little Bactine and you'll be fine.'

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You can't rely on lockdowns forever.

Thats part uv my point.

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But we don't NEED a 100-lb shield.

Lets say New Zealand'z respons = a 100 pound shield.

It worked. If every nation used it, the pandemic woud hav fizzld out in a month.

If insted sum uv them put their green vizor accountant in charj and, after crunching the numberz, he desided that a 42.37 pound shield woud be sufficient, MAYBE he'd be rite and thoze countryz coud boast about saving a few billion dollarz. Or he coud hav miscalculated and the entire world woud still be dealing with the pandemic spending trillionz uv dollarz.

The bottom line iz that overkill works.

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The infection fatality rate for THIS virus (even the delta version) is somewhere around 0.07% for people younger than 45.
https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatality-rates-se
x-and-age-15163

So, fighting THIS virus means protecting a vulnerable subgroup, not the entire peopulaiton

ACHS iz dedicated to a dont overreact stratejy. Its their foundational filosofy! They apply it indiscriminately to everything and alwayz in favor uv $.
Therez also plenty uv evidens that they are industry shillz.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Council_on_Science_and_Health

And the chart iz outdated. Its frum before the Delta variant became dominant.

Your .07% fatality rate iz misleading. Unless you are advocating a global culling program, its better to go by the big picture.

4,616,874/223,851,538 = 2%
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/coronavirus?ocid=bingcoronaviruslinks

And its virtually sertain that many nationz, most notably India and Brazil, are grossly under reporting their numbers, both intentionally and kuz they dont hav the ability to acquire accurate info.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

The real pandemic solution: http://uvpk.net/

JO753

Sunday, September 12, 2021 1:59 AM

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Originally posted by second:
The US is one of a few major countries where the people pushing against common-sense measures hold positions of power, where they can shape policy, influence large swaths of the population, and weaponize the pandemic for their own political benefit.

Best case senario: the C21 virus turnz out to be 100% fatal for the unvaksinated so the GoPs looz haf their voterz.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

The real pandemic solution: http://uvpk.net/

SIGNYM

Sunday, September 12, 2021 3:11 AM

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SIGNYM: Also, note that I said THIS virus. THIS virus is not a society-killer, unless we shoot ourselves in the foot trying to kill it.

JO753: Thats the virus tokking! 'No, dont worry about me. You got money to make. Just a little Bactine and you'll be fine.'

No, that's the CDC talking. That's where I got my infection fatality rates from. THIS virus reaps 1-10% of the retired/elderly and the obese young. But normally healthy individuals below retirement age are not at high risk of dying from Covid-19. If you want to argue that point, argue with the CDC. Or, yanno, follow the science and not some blowhard named Rachel.

You seem to need to create super-villain enemies of almost magical proportions out of this virus, or Putin. THIS virus is not the "society killer" that you imagine.

Now, the Black Death that has an overall 30% mortality rate... THERE was a society-killer!

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SIGNY: You can't rely on lockdowns forever.

JO753: Thats part uv my point.

And...?

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SIGNY: But we don't NEED a 100-lb shield.

JO753: Lets say New Zealand'z respons = a 100 pound shield.
It worked. If every nation used it, the pandemic woud hav fizzld out in a month.

If insted sum uv them put their green vizor accountant in charj and, after crunching the numberz, he desided that a 42.37 pound shield woud be sufficient, MAYBE he'd be rite and thoze countryz coud boast about saving a few billion dollarz. Or he coud hav miscalculated and the entire world woud still be dealing with the pandemic spending trillionz uv dollarz.

The bottom line iz that overkill works.

There is a caveat to semi-permanent lockdowns being "the answer" (which you previously said WASN'T the answer, so make up your mind!) YOU MUST HAVE PERFECT CONTROL OF YOUR BORDERS.

The latest breakout in Australia was caused by an airport shuttle driver catching it from a group of visitors, and then one sick Kiwi who went back home took it to NZ and caused an outbreak there.

So, what is YOUR proposed 100-lb shield?

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SIGNY: The infection fatality rate for THIS virus (even the delta version) is somewhere around 0.07% for people younger than 45.
https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatality-rates-se
x-and-age-15163
So, fighting THIS virus means protecting a vulnerable subgroup, not the entire population

JO753: ACHS iz dedicated to a dont overreact stratejy. Its their foundational filosofy! They apply it indiscriminately to everything and alwayz in favor uv $.
Therez also plenty uv evidens that they are industry shillz.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Council_on_Science_and_Health

And the chart iz outdated. Its frum before the Delta variant became dominant.

Your .07% fatality rate iz misleading. Unless you are advocating a global culling program, its better to go by the big picture.

4,616,874/223,851,538 = 2%
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/coronavirus?ocid=bingcoronaviruslinks

And its virtually sertain that many nationz, most notably India and Brazil, are grossly under reporting their numbers, both intentionally and kuz they dont hav the ability to acquire accurate info.

Halting the virus, like all endeavors, is a balance of resources. At some point, you do more harm than good.

ALSO, you're mixing up CASE fatality rate versus INFECTION fatality rate. Many times, especially in poor nations, an infection doesn't come to notice until someone is really sick ... almost dead. ONLY THEN are they tested.

In order to calculate the INFECTION fatality rate, one must have a true picture of the number of people infected, even if asymptomaticaly or very mildly. That means RANDOM TESTING FOR INFECTION across the population. I doubt India, or Colombia, or S Africa or any of the poorer nations are doing that. By nature of the calculation, CASE mortality rate is always higher - by quite a bit- than INFECTION fatality rate. CASE fatality rate creates an exaggerated picture

SIGNYM

Sunday, September 12, 2021 3:23 AM

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I have always said that US policies, internal and external, are not really the result of careful planning as they are the result of various interests/entities using their influence and power to “pull” US policies in the way they want. And since there are A LOT of various interests/entities, especially in important cases, what we see is not a “policy outcome” but only a “sum vector”, an “outcome” which is the sum of all the different pulling and the relative strength of the folks doing that pulling.

I believe that this process has only been magnified but by an order of magnitude. What we see today in the US ruling elites is a huge “cover your ass”, “run for your life”, “protect yourself and your future” and even “grab it while you still can” and NOT, repeat, NOT “real” policies. Those who believe in a grand conspiracy fail to realize that what happened in Kabul is not the exception, it is the rule! Kabul was a giant spotlight which finally showed the true face of the US military to the entire planet: not the Tom Clancy kind of patriotic delusional hallucinations or Hollywood, but the “real reality” filmed “on the ground” on cheap but ubiquitous cellphones, by both Afghani and even US/NATO servicemen’s!

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Pity would be no more,
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