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Quote:The Senate hasn't made a declaration of war since 1942, so the Senate has stopped being responsible for who the Pentagon kills.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Trump negotiated the deal to get us out of Afghanistan. Biden implemented it.
Obama was a war dweeb who never saw an chance to kill people that he didn't like, including expanding the US war in Afghanistan. Hillary was his chief assassin.
https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/declarations-of-war.htm
And Presidents have made it clear that the military-industrial complex is making the decisions about who to kill while Presidents only put their signature on plans prewritten by the complex. The White House's control ends when the President signs the documents. If he won't sign, the killings won't begin, but how often do Presidents sign a document specifying exactly who the Pentagon can kill? How about never, except in the case where Trump called for an assassination of Iranian General Suleimani, but the complex did all of Trump's thinking for him. All Trump had to do is sign the document and Suleimani along with a bunch of extraneous Iraqis who happened to be close by would die at the Baghdad airport.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/03/world/middleeast/suleimani-dead.htm
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You're so full of shit, Second. And so is the New York fucking Times.
Barry got the Nobel Peace Prize and started more wars than GWB. Trump was the anomaly.
I still can't figure out why Biden* did what he did right now and followed through with it.
I'm considering it a happy accident with his dementia until there is proof otherwise. Who knows? Maybe he realized that his days on this plane of existence are numbered and he grew a conscience and a backbone. That'd be a happy accident too.
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Oh those big bad senate republicans. Are they the reason why 28 of 50 democratic senators voted in 2002 "authorizing the use of the United States Armed Forces against Saddam Hussein's Iraq government in what would be known as Operation Iraqi Freedom."? ... a resolution that Obama freely exploited as President?
Did those big bad republicans force 50 out of 52 democratic senators to vote for the US PATRIOT act?
Sloppy, aren't you emBARE-ASSED to once again be caught lying?
SLOPPY - if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?
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Quote:The simple explanation is that Democrats will get credit from voters if the war is won and Bush will get all the blame from the voters in the extremely unlikely chance, ha-ha!, that the war is lost. What would happen to a Democratic Senator if he had voted against the war and Bush quickly won? That would be used against the Democrat in the very next election.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Oh those big bad senate republicans. Are they the reason why 28 of 50 democratic senators voted in 2002 "authorizing the use of the United States Armed Forces against Saddam Hussein's Iraq government in what would be known as Operation Iraqi Freedom."? ... a resolution that Obama freely exploited as President?
Did those big bad republicans force 50 out of 52 democratic senators to vote for the US PATRIOT act?
Sloppy, aren't you emBARE-ASSED to once again be caught lying?
SLOPPY - if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?
Voters, very apparently, aren't smart. For example, voters were angry about 9/11 and wanted revenge, but the men behind 9/11 were already dead. Revenge made no sense, but that is what the voters wanted and that is what the Senators gave the voters.
Voters, at least those who haven't been in the military, have the quaint idea from WWII that the present day American military can win any war and is competently run and the military will tell the truth about how the war is preceding. That set of weirdly unrealistic beliefs is why America keeps getting into war after war but doesn't win.
I am certain the military-industrial complex knows that shooting wars make more money for the industry than peace, so the Pentagon will keep pushing for more war, despite never winning. Losing probably is more profitable than winning, so it is kind of doubtful that fiascoes such as Afghanistan and Iraq will discourage the Pentagon from promoting war against, for example, Iran.
These endless wars might stop if the Senate would once again make declarations of war, something it hasn't done since 1942. The Constitution grants Congress the sole power to declare war. These modern Senators need to start, rather late in life, acting responsible and being held responsible by the voters for wars that are lost, but I am not expecting modern American voters to be that mature.
https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/declarations-of-war.htm
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Just watched as a massive crane took down the magnificent and very famous statue of “Robert E. Lee On His Horse” in Richmond, Virginia. If only we had Robert E. Lee to command our troops in Afghanistan, that disaster would have ended in a complete and total victory many years ago. -- Donald Trump, Sept 8, 2021
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/news/news-nqqxjy65sh0
I wonder if Trump is aware that General Lee lost the Civil War, surrendering 28,000 troops? Lee's surrender triggered the collapse of the Confederate Army across many far-flung battlefields over the next 16 months.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/robert-e-lee-surrenders
https://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/2015/spring/cw-surrende
rs.html
For Trump to read, if he wants to really know why America lost the Afghanistan War and why the Confederacy lost the Civil War:
The Myth of the Kindly General Lee
The legend of the Confederate leader’s heroism and decency is based in the fiction of a person who never existed. The strangest part about the continued personality cult of Robert E. Lee is how few of the qualities his admirers profess to see in him he actually possessed. Lee’s elevation is a key part of a 150-year-old propaganda campaign designed to erase slavery as the cause of the Civil War and whitewash the Confederate cause as a noble one.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-myth-of-the-k
indly-general-lee/529038/
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Lee told a New York Herald reporter, in the midst of arguing in favor of somehow removing black people from the South (“disposed of,” in his words), “that unless some humane course is adopted, based on wisdom and Christian principles, you do a gross wrong and injustice to the whole negro race in setting them free. And it is only this consideration that has led the wisdom, intelligence and Christianity of the South to support and defend the institution (of slavery) up to this time.”
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Originally posted by second:
Voters, very apparently, aren't smart. For example, voters were angry about 9/11 and wanted revenge, but the men behind 9/11 were already dead. Revenge made no sense, but that is what the voters wanted and that is what the Senators gave the voters.
Second thinks that any rabid sand person should be able to blow up buildings here or anywhere, any day of the week without consequence.
Hey. Maybe you'll get your wish. Biden* is unleashing 100,000 of them upon us.
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Quote:Obviously, you won't understand because people who vote Trump see traitors, Communists, terrorists everywhere they look, but:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Voters, very apparently, aren't smart. For example, voters were angry about 9/11 and wanted revenge, but the men behind 9/11 were already dead. Revenge made no sense, but that is what the voters wanted and that is what the Senators gave the voters.
Second thinks that any rabid sand person should be able to blow up buildings here or anywhere, any day of the week without consequence.
Hey. Maybe you'll get your wish. Biden* is unleashing 100,000 of them upon us.
Executive Order 9066 authorized concentration camps for about 120,000 people of Japanese ancestry. Two-thirds were U.S. citizens, half of them children.
Gen. John DeWitt, head of the Western Defense Command, had a theory: “A Jap is a Jap.” A 1943 report on the “evacuation,” prepared under his direction, made clear that the supposed “military necessity” was based on racism. The report said that an invasion by Japan of the West Coast was probable, and that it was “impossible” to distinguish loyal (if there were such) from disloyal Japanese American citizens: “The Japanese race is an enemy race and while many second- and third-generation Japanese born on United States soil, possessed of United States citizenship, have become ‘Americanized,’ the racial strains are undiluted.”
This report was kept from the Supreme Court when it upheld the internments in 1944.
DeWitt said that “the interception of unauthorized radio communications” emanating from along the West Coast “conclusively” explained Japanese attacks on U.S. ships. The FBI, however, found “no information” of “any espionage activity ashore or ... illicit shore-to-ship signaling.” Nevertheless, to some people, whose racial animus was heated by war fever, the complete absence of Japanese American sabotage was seen as sinister evidence of how stealthily the homegrown enemies were biding their time.
Meanwhile, Japanese American soldiers, some of whose families were interned, were distinguishing themselves in the war’s European theater — even though for a period after Pearl Harbor the Army took away their rifles. The 442nd Regimental Combat Team, composed of Japanese Americans, fought its way up Italy and into France, where it suffered 1,000 casualties rescuing 175 Texans of the 36th Texas Division’s “lost battalion” that had been cut off by Germans. By the war’s end, the 442nd was the most decorated unit for its size in U.S. history.
In 1988, Congress formally apologized for the internments, and provided reparations checks of $20,000 to 82,000 victims. In 2018, the Supreme Court repudiated its 1944 decision as “gravely wrong the day it was decided” and “overruled in the court of history.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/09/08/america-has-no-prob
lem-confronting-unpleasant-facts-about-its-past/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Obviously, you won't understand because people who vote Trump see traitors, Communists, terrorists everywhere they look, but:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Voters, very apparently, aren't smart. For example, voters were angry about 9/11 and wanted revenge, but the men behind 9/11 were already dead. Revenge made no sense, but that is what the voters wanted and that is what the Senators gave the voters.
Second thinks that any rabid sand person should be able to blow up buildings here or anywhere, any day of the week without consequence.
Hey. Maybe you'll get your wish. Biden* is unleashing 100,000 of them upon us.
Executive Order 9066 authorized concentration camps for about 120,000 people of Japanese ancestry. Two-thirds were U.S. citizens, half of them children.
Gen. John DeWitt, head of the Western Defense Command, had a theory: “A Jap is a Jap.” A 1943 report on the “evacuation,” prepared under his direction, made clear that the supposed “military necessity” was based on racism. The report said that an invasion by Japan of the West Coast was probable, and that it was “impossible” to distinguish loyal (if there were such) from disloyal Japanese American citizens: “The Japanese race is an enemy race and while many second- and third-generation Japanese born on United States soil, possessed of United States citizenship, have become ‘Americanized,’ the racial strains are undiluted.”
This report was kept from the Supreme Court when it upheld the internments in 1944.
DeWitt said that “the interception of unauthorized radio communications” emanating from along the West Coast “conclusively” explained Japanese attacks on U.S. ships. The FBI, however, found “no information” of “any espionage activity ashore or ... illicit shore-to-ship signaling.” Nevertheless, to some people, whose racial animus was heated by war fever, the complete absence of Japanese American sabotage was seen as sinister evidence of how stealthily the homegrown enemies were biding their time.
Meanwhile, Japanese American soldiers, some of whose families were interned, were distinguishing themselves in the war’s European theater — even though for a period after Pearl Harbor the Army took away their rifles. The 442nd Regimental Combat Team, composed of Japanese Americans, fought its way up Italy and into France, where it suffered 1,000 casualties rescuing 175 Texans of the 36th Texas Division’s “lost battalion” that had been cut off by Germans. By the war’s end, the 442nd was the most decorated unit for its size in U.S. history.
In 1988, Congress formally apologized for the internments, and provided reparations checks of $20,000 to 82,000 victims. In 2018, the Supreme Court repudiated its 1944 decision as “gravely wrong the day it was decided” and “overruled in the court of history.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/09/08/america-has-no-prob
lem-confronting-unpleasant-facts-about-its-past/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
They were citizens, dipshit.
Send these towel heads back home to their sand hole.
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DEMOCRATIC* voters, very apparently, aren't smart.
And if democrats* don't do any different, how are they any better?
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Enemies Foreign and Domestic
The forever wars had turned inward. Americans were so used to considering themselves at war with enemies they didn’t understand — and to a constant agitation at the hum of perennial conflict — that they were turning on one another. When a country is at war for so long, moral boundaries gradually fall away. The forbidden becomes permissible, first overseas and then at home. The idea of collateral damage is one example: In the war on terror, we’ve decided, the deaths of innocents are allowed and even justified, so long as they help us feel safe. Another is unbounded conflict: the idea that anyone, anywhere can be a target, that the battle is everywhere, all the time. First the war expanded, under President George W. Bush, to the foreign suspects detained and tortured far from Iraq and Afghanistan. Then it kept stretching: to Anwar al-Awlaki, a U.S. citizen killed in Yemen under President Barack Obama, along with his 16-year-old American son, and to anyone killed in the drone strikes or secret commando raids in the many countries the war on terror has touched. A third concept is the ability to label broad swaths of people as insurgents and terrorists and the freedom this gives you to demean, monitor, imprison, and attack them.
These three ideas came together at a Veterans of Foreign Wars hall near Nashville, Tennessee, one evening last July. I was sitting in a windowless banquet room with a few dozen people who’d responded to a call from the Oath Keepers, a prominent militant group known for recruiting soldiers and police. As we waited for the meeting to begin, an Iraq War veteran about my age began telling me about street battles and running convoys down Iraq’s deadly highways. Then he started talking about how sometimes in Iraq, American soldiers had to kill children. A kid might emerge from an alley strapped with a bomb, and there’d be nothing to do but shoot to save yourself. Someone else chimed in: “I’d prefer that to the alternative of being splattered against the wall.” To which my conversation partner had a two-word reply: “Pink mist.”
When a country is at war for so long, moral boundaries gradually fall away. The forbidden becomes permissible, first overseas and then at home.
The meeting’s organizer arrived: Stewart Rhodes, the Oath Keepers leader. He stood before the crowd and began to rile them about the threat of a stolen election and how it was connected to the protests and violence in the streets. He was calling the protesters insurgents and domestic terrorists. He said that soon antifa would be using IEDs, or improvised explosive devices. It was jarring how precisely the speech mirrored the conversation I’d just been having, how seamlessly the old conflicts overseas could blend into the new one at home. “Us old vets and younger ones,” Rhodes finally said, “are going to end up having to kill these young kids.”
It can feel at times that the forever wars are, for many on the militant right, a prelude to the battle they think they’re waging now in their own country. Like Rhodes, they paint elements of the left as insurgents and domestic terrorists and talk about how war at home might be brutal but necessary, a step along the way to making peace with civilian suffering. The veterans among them obsess over the oath they swore to protect the Constitution “against all enemies, foreign and domestic” — and to them, foreign and domestic enemies have become one and the same. The left, in their minds, combines all the threats they fear most: Black Lives Matter, antifa, Marxists, undocumented immigrants, radical Muslims. But it’s not only people involved with militant groups who speak this way; calling leftists insurgents and domestic terrorists is widespread on the American right.
More at https://theintercept.com/2021/09/09/forever-wars-911-militias/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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