Taliban winning in Afghanistan
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UPDATED: Sunday, August 30, 2026 23:18
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Quote:When I think about it, the MIC/ spook agency arm of the Deep State is running the US military, covert ops, and foreign policy. Neither the President nor the Congress is in control of those. But that Deep State arm isn't running the US economy (not directly, even though the collective bloated budget does swing the US economy indirectly).
That's an interesting thought, that the media is under the control of one part of the deep state but not another part.
How much the 'think tank' arm of the Deep State is running the MIC/ spook agency arm I have no guess. But clearly the MIC/ spook agency arm has a self-serving (self-funded) agenda of its own, which it pursues, no matter what the President might order (as, say, commander-in-chief) or the Congress might say (per the budget).
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Quote:So, what is (are) the OTHER part(s) of the deep state?
SIGNY: That's an interesting thought, that the media is under the control of one part of the deep state but not another part.
KIKI: When I think about it, the MIC/ spook agency arm of the Deep State is running the US military, covert ops, and foreign policy. Neither the President nor the Congress is in control of those. But that Deep State arm isn't running the US economy (not directly, even though the collective bloated budget does swing the US economy indirectly).
How much the 'think tank' arm of the Deep State is running the MIC/ spook agency arm I have no guess. But clearly the MIC/ spook agency arm has a self-serving (self-funded) agenda of its own, which it pursues, no matter what the President might order (as, say, commander-in-chief) or the Congress might say (per the budget).
Just noodling about which parts I've observed working together and which partwork separately or (potentially) at cross-puposes...
The two agencies that I think work together most closely are the CIA and State Department. Embassies in foreign countries are natural covers for gathering foreign intelligence. No need to set up fake companies and fake identities (journalists, import/export, telecom etc) I have been told - and it makes sense- that many embassy staff are dual employees of both State and CIA. So the driver is CIA and the secretary is CIA etc. AFA the ambassadors themselves, most of them are appointed as political favors and have no clue about what's going on around them. But in sensitive embassies ... such as Ukraine, Libya, Iran, Georgia etc ... the ambassadors are fully "read into" CIA ops, whether it's gun running or regime change or what-have-you, and actively participate. The CIA gets some of its harebrained ideas from abroad (PNAC, written largely by Israel; Iraq/WMD and Trump/Russia from MI6) which overlaps with "thinktankistan".
Another cooperative arrangement is between the CIA and FBI/DOJ. We could see that in the flow of "Trump/Russia" from Hillary to the UK operatives back to the CIA, FBI/DOJ which launched a politically-motivated persecution of Trump. So while the CIA does "ops" abroad, the FBI does "ops" here. And the "leaks" (fabricated allegation) came mstly thru State Dept and FBI employees.
A less-comfortable fit is the formal military v the CIA. At the beginning of our regime change effort in Syria, Obama put the military and CIA into something of a horse race: The military was to train "moderate rebels" in Jordan while the CIA (and Saudi Arabia) were to fund jihadists covertly. The training mission was a dbacle (much like Afghanistan but on a smaller scale); the trainees took their training and weaponry over to the jihadist side, leaving a tiny group of USA loyalists. It was widely criticized in the paper: four million dollars to train one soldier! (or words to that effect) and quietly shelved.
But in Afghanistan, the CIA needed the military to protect its blacksites and convert Afghanistan into a narco-state. The only way I can imagine that happening is direct payoffs to the involved ranking military. Also, the CIA eventually shared its secret drone program with the Pentagon, altho the Pentagon was also committed to secrecy. Also, the DIA has its own mission: to collect intelligence for the successful prosecution of a war. So altho the military has been jammed together with the CIA for some operation, I think the fit isn't a comfortable one.
The NSA does sigint. In the RUSSIADIDIT! statement about the "hacking"of the DNC server, the NSA demurred, allowing only "moderate" confidence.
ANOTHER tail that wags the dog are large financial interests. Since the USA does't have much of a production economy, what we have is financialists and financialism. Our financial system is based on the petrodollar, which banks are anxious to protect in direct relation to how many petrodllars/treasuries
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I heard last week a report that Justin Trudeau was satisfied by talking with Hilliary in regards to strategy in Afghanistan.
Why on earth is Hilliary speaking for America about foreign affairs and war? Sounds like Joe is not answering the phone.
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Maybe Hillary finally got tired of having to wash her arm past the elbow when she pulled it out of Joe*'s ass at the end of every day they bring him out in public.
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There are an estimated 150 American citizens left in Afghanistan whom the United States need to get to the airport, according to a source familiar with the situation.
The source said the estimate is the number known to need assistance to reach the airport as of 8 a.m. local time on Thursday morning.
They added that since midnight local time, 200 had been evacuated to the base and flown out. This brings the total US citizens evacuated since August 14 to 4,700, the source added.
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/afghanistan-news-taliban-refugees-
08-26-21-intl/h_ff5624d84cb5b1bca8f6e75e2cbc9600
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Quote:Signym, you sound exactly like someone raised on Marxism, always predicting the impending collapse of America. Are you sure you are not a Russian troll? By the way, about the "production" economy:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Since the USA does't have much of a production economy, what we have is financialists and financialism. Our financial system is based on the petrodollar, which banks are anxious to protect in direct relation to how many petrodllars/treasuries they old in reserve. The banks of course want their share of the drug money too.
So overall I think the BIGGEST split is actually between the CIA and Pentagon.
I'll give it some more thought.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=Gma1
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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SEONDRATE*: Signym, you sound exactly like someone raised on Marxism, always predicting the impending collapse of America. Are you sure you are not a Russian troll?
*If you can stoop AGAIN to libelling me as a Russian troll, I can once again call you SECONDRATE
And if USA manufacturing is so hot, then why is our trade deficit with China (a manufacturing nation) so high?
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Pompeo met with the Taliban in February 2020 at the signing of a withdrawal agreement with the U.S. in Doha. A picture of him from that moment, standing alongside Taliban co-founder Abdul Ghani Baradar, has circulated widely online in the last week. It’s the type of image that could dot and complicate future election bids, should he choose to make one.
The negotiations Pompeo helped conduct as secretary of State resulted in a four-part withdrawal deal with the Taliban that committed the U.S. to a phased, conditions-based removal of all troops in a 14-month period (ending May 1, 2021). The U.S. called on the Taliban to cut ties with the terrorist organization al-Qaeda and refrain from any threats to the U.S. or allies, but it also made concessions, like the release of 5,000 combat and political Taliban prisoners and a review of sanctions against the organization. The Afghan government was not involved in the negotiations, a move that critics say undermined the country’s leadership and legitimacy.
"Our secretary of State signed a surrender agreement with the Taliban," Trump national security adviser H.R. McMaster said of Pompeo on a podcast with Bari Weiss. "This collapse goes back to the capitulation agreement of 2020. The Taliban didn't defeat us. We defeated ourselves."
Those close to Pompeo say he recognized early on that a withdrawal deal could be a political quagmire but that he followed President Donald Trump’s order to get American troops out of Afghanistan immediately.
“He alluded to the fact that he understood he could potentially pay a political price in the future for doing this but in his mind, this is what the president ordered him to do, so he had to get the best deal possible and have the most caveats to keep people there if we need to,” said a former Trump State Department official.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/26/mike-pompeo-afghanistan-colla
pse-506927
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Quote:By the way, you never stopped calling me that.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/VAPGDPMA
*If you can stoop AGAIN to libelling me as a Russian troll, I can once again call you SECONDRATE
Same graph, but looking at the Trump years. Unless America wants to be covered in junk cars, old tires and household waste, production will have to level off. If production keeps rising, the piles of trash, air and water pollution keep rising.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=Gmep
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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