Taliban winning in Afghanistan

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Signy - just a comment. Do you see where Obama made things better for US manufacturing?


Yeah, neither do I.

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Snicker all you want, but laughing shows you never will understand that there has never been a factory built anywhere in the world to create employment, no more than there has ever been a factory built to create water and air pollution. Employment and pollution and fuel and material and all other costs have always and everywhere been things to be minimized or even eliminated. Yes, you and politicians can talk about "employment opportunities" at factories as much as you please, but that is not what a factory is for, because if it was then every factory-owner would be striving to make work more labor intensive rather than less. You will never see (in the real world) that intention to make more man-hours of work by making the factory less efficient.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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KIKI: Signy - just a comment. Do you see where Obama made things better for US manufacturing? Yeah, neither do I.

SECONDRATE: Snicker all you want, but laughing shows you never will understand that there has never been a factory built anywhere in the world to create employment,

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Well, actually not true.

I know, from someone who went to China every few years, that when an American company built a factory in China, the Chinese government would ask the manager "How many people will it take to tun this factory?" and if the answer was "100" the Chinese government would say "Then you will hire 300".

And if you look at how the Chinese repair a road, it isn't with five people, an asphalt truck but a bunch of people with wheelbarrows and a steamroller.

The Chinese government - unlike the USA government - knows that people without meaningful jobs are a security threat to the nation.

ANY nation. Including ours.

OH BTW I DID stop calling you SECONDRATE for a month or so, but since you continued with the Russian troll name-calling, I feel free to return the favor. And, I know that YOU know that I'm not Russian, or a troll, so you're just lying maliciously.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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KIKI: Signy - just a comment. Do you see where Obama made things better for US manufacturing? Yeah, neither do I.

SECONDRATE: Snicker all you want, but laughing shows you never will understand that there has never been a factory built anywhere in the world to create employment,

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Well, actually not true.

I know, from someone who went to China every few years, that when an American company built a factory in China, the Chinese government would ask the manager "How many people will it take to tun this factory?" and if the answer was "100" the Chinese government would say "Then you will hire 300". . . .

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Your "someone" didn't know that China was trying to move people out of agriculture and into better jobs. But now China doesn't overload factories with superfluous employees because China is short of workers:

China’s factories automate as worker shortage looms
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/09/chinas-factories-automate-as-worker-sh
ortage-looms.html
China reports a growing shortage of factory workers
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/27/china-reports-a-growing-shortage-of-fa
ctory-workers.html

Look at America, rather than China, then ask yourself 'How can farm employment be going down when Americans are too fat?'
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=Gmm4


Much the same as manufacturing, farm employment in the Western World has been crashing toward zero for centuries because more farmers doesn't mean more food. More food comes from more land and better weather, two thing we will be running short of if climate change continues.
https://ourworldindata.org/employment-in-agriculture

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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So, SECOND, it sounds like you're conceding both of your points

a) That USA manufacturing is robust and
b) That the ONLY driver of manufacturing policy is cutting costs by reducing labor

Anyway, this is far off-topic.

Back to our regularly scheduled discussion.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, SECOND, it sounds like you're conceding both of your points

a) That USA manufacturing is robust and
b) That the ONLY driver of manufacturing policy is cutting costs by reducing labor

Anyway, this is far off-topic.

Back to our regularly scheduled discussion.

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Except in countries confused by Marxism, the ONLY driver of factory owners is money; cutting costs is about money and labor is just one of many costs to be cut. Government and unions get involved in costs when they make demands about minimum wages and maximum hours and staff levels, but neither are making significant demands on factory owners in America.

Government can get factory owners to jump high and do what government wants in a very straight forward fashion if government pays money directly to the factory owners. How often does that happen? Not often, except during war. Most of the time, government doesn't want to pay directly, so it does indirect and silly things like stop taxing factory owners to get them to build a factory in a particular state or government will impose tariffs on US citizens (all while falsely saying the Chinese are paying the tariffs) in order to persuade factory owners to build a factory. If there was no China, factory employment, following the same path as farm employment, would still be decreasing. China is just another of many ways for American factory owners to make more money by lower costs.

What does this have to do with Afghanistan? Everything to do because it is about how Americans have enormous mental confusion about nearly every subject that involves math, be it money, time, schedules, quantities, prices, you name it, it can be completely misunderstood if there are numbers involved. It is NOT off topic at all because it is about the fact that most Americans can't understand the simplest arithmetic. Oh! For sure they think they can, but their results prove they can't. What's even funnier, they can't improve their understanding of subject matter that they are absolutely certain they already completely understand. And Afghanistan involves a great deal of arithmetic that Americans will never actually sit down and shut up and learn the numbers. For example:

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the NY Times, using numbers from the Association of Wartime Allies, claims that there were more than 300,000 Afghans who assisted us during our 20-year war and deserve our help in being evacuated. Of these, about 250,000 remain and still need to be airlifted out.

Maybe so, but I'd take this with a grain of salt. The AWA has been pushing this number for months, but as near as I can tell they're the only ones. As you can imagine, it's a very difficult number to estimate, which means that it's easy to produce nearly any figure you want. The AWA may be right, but other estimates I've seen seem to hover around 80-100,000, of which we've already evacuated about 60,000 or so. If that estimate is correct, it means we have 20-40,000 Afghans left to evacuate.

Obviously I don't have any independent way to estimate these numbers myself. I just want to point out that the AWA has been alone in its estimate for months, and the fact that the Times has finally decided to write a story about them doesn't make their estimate any more (or less) credible than it's ever been.

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https://jabberwocking.com/how-many-afghans-are-left-to-be-evacuated-fr
om-kabul/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
That's an interesting thought, that the media is under the control of one part of the deep state but not another part.

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I think different parts of the Deep State plug their propaganda through m$m at different times, depending on the topic.

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So, what is (are) the OTHER part(s) of the deep state?

Just noodling about which parts I've observed working together and which parts work separately or (potentially) at cross-purposes...

The two agencies that I think work together most closely are the CIA and State Department. Embassies in foreign countries are natural covers for gathering foreign intelligence. No need to set up fake companies and fake identities (journalists, import/export, telecom etc) I have been told -and it makes sense- that many embassy staff are dual employees of both State and CIA. So the driver is CIA and the secretary is CIA etc. AFA the ambassadors themselves, most of them are appointed as political favors and have no clue about what's going on around them. But in sensitive embassies ... such as Ukraine, Libya, Iran, Georgia etc ... the ambassadors are fully "read into" CIA ops, whether it's gun running or regime change or what-have-you, and actively participate.

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I definitely think that the CIA/ State Dept are meshed together as well. They're virtually the same thing with State being installed by willing presidents - like Obama - to carry out foreign policy not in the interests of the US. And that goes back to even before Kennedy.

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The CIA gets some of its harebrained ideas from abroad (PNAC, written largely by Israel; Iraq/WMD and Trump/Russia from MI6) which overlaps with "thinktankistan".

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Who knows where the CIA got some of its harebrained ideas from in its long and sordid history of creating and/or aiding coups in countries around the globe:
Syria 1949 Shukri al-Quwatli
Iran 1953 Mohammad Mossadegh
Guatemala 1954 Arbenz (that idea apparently came from Eisenhower)
Indonesia 1958 Sukarno
Cuba (Bay of Pigs) 1961 (not successful)
Dominican Republic 1961 Trujillo
Vietnam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_243, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1963_South_Vietnamese_coup, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrest_and_assassination_of_Ngo_Dinh_Die
m
Chile 1973 Allende (on orders from Nixon)
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Philippines Marcos 1986
Haiti Aristide 1991
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Obviously at some point the US started doing the substantial bidding of the British/ Israeli arm of the Deep State, especially when it came to the Middle East and Russia.

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Another cooperative arrangement is between the CIA and FBI/DOJ. We could see that in the flow of "Trump/Russia" from Hillary to the UK operatives back to the CIA, FBI/DOJ which launched a politically-motivated persecution of Trump. So while the CIA does "ops" abroad, the FBI does "ops" here. And the "leaks" (fabricated allegation) came mostly thru State Dept and FBI employees.

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A less-comfortable fit is the formal military v the CIA. At the beginning of our regime change effort in Syria, Obama put the military and CIA into something of a horse race: The military was to train "moderate rebels" in Jordan while the CIA (and Saudi Arabia) were to fund jihadists covertly. The training mission was a debacle (much like Afghanistan but on a smaller scale); the trainees took their training and weaponry over to the jihadist side, leaving a tiny group of USA loyalists. It was widely criticized in the paper: four million dollars to train one soldier! (or words to that effect) and quietly shelved.

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And yet, when you look at the US military around the globe, wherever it's found - whether Somalia or Syria or elsewhere - you find the CIA.

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But in Afghanistan, the CIA needed the military to protect its blacksites and convert Afghanistan into a narco-state. The only way I can imagine that happening is direct payoffs to the involved ranking military. Also, the CIA eventually shared its secret drone program wi

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