Some Covid-19 thoughts
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UPDATED: Monday, September 29, 2025 18:59
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It occurs to me that the FDA has taken the nuclear option here by approving the Pfizer vaccination faster than it has ever approved any vaccination in it's history.
If this goes south now, they've just destroyed their reputation for at least a generation or two and nobody will ever believe anything they say.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It occurs to me that the FDA has taken the nuclear option here by approving the Pfizer vaccination faster than it has ever approved any vaccination in it's history.
If this goes south now, they've just destroyed their reputation for at least a generation or two and nobody will ever believe anything they say.
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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."
It will definitely head south and the FDA has just destroyed itself. Which is a shame, because the whole planet depended on it. Most countries don't have something like that. And the useful function they did serve was the food part.
America is completely fucked. The USA govt that is.
meanwhile, I had this thought. Everything about this virus seems designed to cause maximum immune response, from the get go. Nothing evolves that way.
I think it's also not airborne. It doesn't behave at all like an airborne disease. It behaves like a blood based infectious disease. I think it spreads from the vaccinated, and they shed it, and they infect others by preparing food.
This is probably why all the restaurants stayed open. Of course, there have always been vaccinated, as we now know the vax predates the release of the pathogen itself.
So this is how Bill and Ted and Tony spread their plague. They inject people with a "vaccine" that they've patented as a bioweapon and brand named "Vaccine™" and then those people become carriers. Some of those peopel work in places where they can spread it to others.
I've given up on my initial transmission theory. I think we all got it from a bakery whose food we ate, and where the people are vaccinated. I know "in theory" the vaccines are contagious, but the pattern is clear. 100% of them seem to get the covid within days of being vaccinated, and people who have no contact with the vaccinated at all don't get it.
If it were as the media says, then outbreaks would start among the unvaccinated and spread to the unvaccinated and not to the vaccinated. Instead it clearly starts each time with the vaccinated and affects all the vaccinated first.
One of my employees is degenerating. It's a month in and he says he can't eat.I'm pretty sure most of the damage from this thing is the autoimmune problems it creates.
JSF if you're there, have you considered that Fauci may have taken Montagnier's HIV into a lab and modified it to create the effects that he wanted?
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I found an interesting article that explains the government pressure for vaccines, and it doesn't have to do with any depopulation agenda. It's so simple I kind of smacked my forehead because I shoulda seen it.
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Authored by Philipp Bagus via The Mises Institute,
Pressure on the unvaccinated grows. While the vaccinated in some countries are getting back some of their freedoms taken away by the covid interventions, the unvaccinated are not so well off. They are being targeted for discrimination. Access to public spaces and traveling is being made more difficult for them. In some countries there is even mandatory vaccination for some professions.
But why is the vaccination campaign so important to governments that they are increasing the pressure to such an extent? And who has an interest in the global vaccination campaign?
To answer these questions, it is necessary to analyze the prevalent vaccination narrative and ask who benefits from it.
In doing so, the alliance of interests between the state, the media, the pharmaceutical industry, and supranational institutions must be addressed.
Let us start with the pharmaceutical industry.
It has an obvious economic interest in the vaccination campaign. It makes enormous profits from widespread vaccination.
What about the state?
In the covid-19 crisis, politicians have systematically amplified fear and hysteria. This was no accident and is unsurprising, for the state builds its raison d'être on the argument that it protects the population from internal and external dangers. The state is built upon fear. The narrative is that without the help of the state, the citizen would be defenseless against hunger, poverty, accidents, war, terrorism, disease, natural disasters, and pandemics. It is, therefore, in the state's interest to instill fear of possible dangers, which it then pretends to resolve, expanding its power in the process. A relatively recent example is the restriction of civil liberties in the US in response to the threat of terrorism after the 9-11 attacks and the second Iraq war. Similarly, it was in the interest of governments to purposefully instill fear and portray covid-19 as a unique killer virus in order to expand state power to an extent unknown in peacetime at the expense of citizens' fundamental rights.
When the corona crisis started and not much was known about the virus's potential danger politicians were faced with an asymmetric payoff. If politicians underestimate a danger and do not react, they are held responsible for the underestimation. They lose elections and power. Especially if they can be blamed for deaths. Photos of mass burials aside, the consequences of underestimating danger and failing to act are politically fatal. In contrast, overestimating the danger and taking decisive action are politically much more attractive.
If it really is an unprecedented threat, politicians are celebrated for their tough measures such as lockdowns. And politicians can always argue that without their decisive action, there would indeed have been a disaster. If the measures ultimately turn out to have been exaggerated because the hazard was not so great after all, the possible negative consequences of the measures are not as directly associated with the politicians as the photos of mass burials, because these consequences are more indirect and long term. The indirect and long-term health costs of lockdowns include suicides, depression, alcoholism, stress-related illnesses, earlier deaths from canceled surgeries and screenings, and a generally lower standard of living. However, these costs are not directly associated with the drastic interventions and blamed on the policy. Many of these consequences will occur after the next elections or even later and are not visible. For instance, we cannot observe to what extent a higher standard of living would have increased life expectancy. And if sNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Well... let them try to wriggle themselves out of the huge mess they put everyone in.
I've got nothing but time. A lot more than they have.
I can wait. 
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CNN declares that you don't have a Constitutional Right to refuse the vaccine.
Why don't you stop on by and test out that theory and see what happens to you.
Yanno... Do some actual investigative journalism for once in your careers.
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Fatfuck useless cunt Governor Pritzker to announce the reinstatement for the Illinois mask mandates for everyone 2 and older today.
Biden* had better get ready to extend that unemployment benefit again if we're about to plunge the country back into the dark ages over nothing twice.
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Quote:Well, there was a technical difficulty in ending COVID-19 restrictions. And that was that before vaccinations, whenever countries would lift restrictions, cases and deaths would rise. And it's not JUST the elderly at risk - it's anyone with risk factors. For example, in this latest 'delta' pulse in the US, deaths rose by the same proportion as cases, even in a country where most of the elderly were vaccinated. And there was no 'youth' discount.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I found an interesting article that explains the government pressure for vaccines, and it doesn't have to do with any depopulation agenda. It's so simple I kind of smacked my forehead because I shoulda seen it. ...
Not to say I'm for mandatory vaccines or 'vax passports'. I'm just saying that at the population level, not having a lot of people vaccinated has consequences for society overall, not just the individuals who are deciding.
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https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/should-the-government-im
pose-a-national-vaccination-mandate
Come and give it to me.
See what happens to you.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I found an interesting article that explains the government pressure for vaccines, and it doesn't have to do with any depopulation agenda. It's so simple I kind of smacked my forehead because I shoulda seen it. ...
KIKI: Well, there was a technical difficulty in ending COVID-19 restrictions. And that was that before vaccinations, whenever countries would lift restrictions, cases and deaths would rise. And it's not JUST the elderly at risk - it's anyone with risk factors. For example, in this latest 'delta' pulse in the US, deaths rose by the same proportion as cases, even in a country where most of the elderly were vaccinated. And there was no 'youth' discount.
Not to say I'm for mandatory vaccines or 'vax passports'. I'm just saying that at the population level, not having a lot of people vaccinated has consequences for society overall, not just the individuals who are deciding.
Well, from my own SELFISH standpoint, I'm all up for people who don't want to get vaccinated gettting sick as soon as possible. Because if they get sick ... even if they drop dead of their own stupidity ... then maybe enough people (previously ill + vaccinated) will develop an immunity and we will reach that magical "herd immunity" faster. To be prefectly crass, just look at DT and his cohort. Altho I feel concern for their illness, that's maybe a half-dozen people who will be immune for about eight months to the NEXT strain of SARS-CoV2 that rolls around, and that many fewer people to pass it on.
So, like I told SIX: Go to some noisy crowded bar and start shouting at each other's faces as soon as possible!
I've edited this article because they frame it misleadingly, so I've eliminated a lot of the repetitive crowing and highlighted the caveats and countervailing data
Quote:But they don't compare the serious illness rates of vaccinated v unvaccinated, which has already shown that vaccination, tho imperfect, offers much better protection against serious illness for the vulnerable than being unvaccinated.
Israeli Study Shows Natural Immunity 13x More Effective Than Vaccines At Stopping Delta
Friday, Aug 27, 2021 - 07:39 AM
... a new study out of Israel suggests [that]: natural infection offers a much better shield against the delta variant than vaccines.
The study was described by Bloomberg as "the largest real-world analysis comparing natural immunity - gained from an earlier infection - to the protection provided by one of the most potent vaccines currently in use." (Pfizer/BNT mRNA used is Israel).
... the study showed that the vaccinated were ultimately 13x as likely to be infected as those who were infected previously, and 27x more likely to be symptomatic.
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Here's an excerpt from a report by Science Magazine:
The new analysis relies on the database of Maccabi Healthcare Services, which enrolls about 2.5 million Israelis. The study, led by Tal Patalon and Sivan Gazit at KSM, the system’s research and innovation arm, found in two analyses that people who were vaccinated in January and February were, in June, July, and the first half of August, six to 13 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected with the coronavirus. In one analysis, comparing more than 32,000 people in the health system, the risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19 was 27 times higher among the vaccinated, and the risk of hospitalization eight times higher.
This time, the data leave little doubt that natural infection truly is the better option for protection against the delta variant, despite the fact that the US won't acknowledge the already infected as having antibodies protecting them from the virus.
At the very least, the results of the study are good news for patients who have already successfully battled COVID but show the challenge of relying exclusivelyNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I've been preaching a sequence of vaccines for anything we want to get rid of - starting with pure isolated (surface neutralizing) protein, then killed pathogen (to get the whole panoply of antigens), and then live attenuated pathogen - forever. I do want to amend it to say the second vax should be both injection and intranasal, which also ends up being swallowed.
Anyway, the issue I have with unvaxed natural infection for this particular pathogen - because nobody really knows its long-term outcomes besides people dying - is the potential consequence of long-term health problems like lung, CVS/ heart, kidney, and brain problems. That could be a serious drain on society. That's just my caution with this particular pathogen because, once again, it's unknown, and nobody knows the sequelae. One should have eyes open when making decisions, rather than being blindsided by unanticipated outcomes.
That aside, if you're going to have a vax program available for people who want it, I think instead of assuming you'll have one single magic silver bullet, and trying to institute one single magic bullet, you should be using a sequence of vaxes like I outlined above. And for this pathogen, rather than give people a booster with 'more of same' they should at least give people the option to mix technologies to provide more complete protection (antibody plus cell).
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