Taliban winning in Afghanistan
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The mohammedan jihad islamist Taliban spokesman says Afghans will be blocked from entering Kabul airport from now on. The terorist Taliban says only certain special foreigners allowed to leave. The terroristic Taliban have acquired an 'overwhelming amount of potential weaponry,' global security expert says. Taliban terrorist Afghan group that rules the country now warns there will be 'consequences' if US and allies do not meet August 31 deadline
The CI-Gay drug lord director who knew about the pedophile Epstein and bacha bazi now arrives with bags of cash and secretly met Taliban leader in Kabul amid frantic evacuation efforts?
Collapse in Afghanistan
https://www.worldaffairsboard.com/forum/international-defense-geopolit
ics-discussion/central-and-south-asia/operation-enduring-freedom-and-af-pak/1575222-collapse-in-afghanistan/page12
' Biden is getting punked. With thousands of people trapped and potential hostages the Taliban feels able to make demands of the US.
Hijack? Ukrainian foreign ministry claimed the plane they sent for evacuation was "stolen" and used to transport unknown people to Iran. Then changed the report and they refuted their own statement.
https://www.india.com/news/world/ukrainian-evacuation-plane-hijack-liv
e-updates-ukraine-flight-hijacked-from-afghanistan-hijacked-and-diverted-to-iran-reports-amid-taliban-promises-kabul-takeover-4909327/
Taliban warn of 'consequences'
US Surgeon General goes full Commie Sharia Law says there’s “not nearly enough” social media censorship
https://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/3297077-u
s-surgeon-general-says-there-s.html
So the taliban is making the rules now
https://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/so-the-taliban-is-making-the-ru
les-now.915476/
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Taliban says it won't allow Afghans to reach Kabul airport as UN warns of 'credible' reports of executions
https://www.businessinsider.com/taliban-says-it-wont-allow-afghans-to-
reach-kabul-airport-2021-8
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U.S. evacuates 48,000 from Afghanistan as Taliban calls Aug. 31 withdrawal deadline ‘red line'
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/23/us-evacuates-37000-from-afghanistan-as
-taliban-calls-august-31-withdrawal-deadline-red-line.html
Canadian special forces operate outside walls of Kabul airport to rescue Afghan allies
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canadian-special-forces-operate-outside-
walls-of-kabul-airport-to-rescue-afghan-allies-1.5557825
Taliban Expected To Hit Kabul Airbase Hard
https://rumble.com/vlmdz0-taliban-expected-to-hit-kabul-airbase-hard.h
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I served in Afghanistan as a US Marine, twice. Here’s the truth in two sentences
By Lucas Kunce, Special to The Star Updated August 23, 2021 03:43 PM
https://amp.kansascity.com/opinion/readers-opinion/guest-commentary/ar
ticle253641358.html
What we are seeing in Afghanistan right now shouldn’t shock you. It only seems that way because our institutions are steeped in systematic dishonesty. It doesn’t require a dissertation to explain what you’re seeing. Just two sentences.
One: For 20 years, politicians, elites and D.C. military leaders lied to us about Afghanistan.
Two: What happened last week was inevitable, and anyone saying differently is still lying to you.
I know because I was there. Twice. On special operations task forces. I learned Pashto as a U.S. Marine captain and spoke to everyone I could there: everyday people, elites, allies and yes, even the Taliban.
The truth is that the Afghan National Security Forces was a jobs program for Afghans, propped up by U.S. taxpayer dollars — a military jobs program populated by nonmilitary people or “paper” forces (that didn’t really exist) and a bevy of elites grabbing what they could when they could.
You probably didn’t know that. That’s the point.
And it wasn’t just in Afghanistan. They also lied about Iraq.
I led a team of Marines training Iraqi security forces to defend their country. When I arrived I received a “stoplight” chart on their supposed capabilities in dozens of missions and responsibilities. Green meant they were good. Yellow was needed improvement; red said they couldn’t do it at all.
I was delighted to see how far along they were on paper — until I actually began working with them. I attempted to adjust the charts to reflect reality and was quickly shut down. The ratings could not go down. That was the deal. It was the kind of lie that kept the war going.
So when people ask me if we made the right call getting out of Afghanistan in 2021, I answer truthfully: Absolutely not. The right call was getting out in 2002. 2003. Every year we didn’t get out was another year the Taliban used to refine their skills and tactics against us — the best fighting force in the world. After two decades, $2 trillion and nearly 2,500 American lives lost, 2021 was way too late to make the right call.
You’d think when it all came crumbling down around them, they’d accept the truth. Think again.
War-hungry hawks are suggesting our soldiers weren’t in harm’s way. Well, when I was there, two incredible Marines in my unit were killed.
Elitist hacks are even blaming the American people for what happened last week. The same American people that they spent years lying to about Afghanistan. Are you kidding me?
We deserve better. Instead of politicians spending $6.4 trillion to “nation build” in the Middle East, we should start nation building right here at home.
I can’t believe that would be a controversial proposal, but already in Washington, we see some of the same architects of these Middle Eastern disasters balking at the idea of investing a fraction of that amount to build up our own country.
The lies about Afghanistan matter not just because of the money spent or the lives lost, but because they are representative of a systematic dishonesty that is destroying our country from the inside out.
Remember when they told us the economy was back? Another lie.
Our state of Missouri was home to the worst economic recovery from the Great Recession in this part of the country. I see the boarded-up stores and the vacant lots — one of which used to be my family’s home. When our country’s elites were preaching about how they had solved the financial crisis and the housing market was booming, I watched the house I joined the Marine Corps out of sit on the market for two years. My dad finally got $43,000 for it. He owed $78,000.
The only way out is to level with the American people. I’ll start. With the two-sentence truth about what we are seeing in Afghanistan right now:
For 20 years, politicians, elites and D.C. military lea
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Why the Afghan Army didn't fight:
The Pentagon's Shocking Cover-Up Of The Afghan National Military Hospital Scandal
While Afghan patients at the U.S. military's "crown jewel" medical facility in Kabul lived in horrific conditions, American and Afghan commanders pushed a relentless public relations campaign to make it look like a success. Warning: Extremely graphic photos of wounds.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mhastings/exclusive-the-pentagons
-shocking-cover-up-of-the
Horror at Kabul's military hospital
"If this government can't fulfill its responsibilities, someone else needs to take over. People have had enough of this situation."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39309469
The original Wall Street Journal article found that patients at Dawood Hospital routinely died from malnourishment and routine infections resulting from intentional neglect by hospital staff. In some instances, the staff refused to treat patients who were not from their own tribe or whose families could not pay gratuities in exchange for their care even though the staffs salaries are fully funded by the U.S. taxpayer. The congressional investigation later revealed that U.S. Army Lt. Gen. William Caldwell knew about the inhumane conditions of patients at the hospital but actively tried to prevent an investigation for personal political reasons.
https://issuu.com/khalilnouira9766/docs/combinepdf
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Originally posted by second:
I served in Afghanistan as a US Marine, twice. Here’s the truth in two sentences
Followed by 20 paragraphs that nobody here read.
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So hubby and I were noodling on the Taliban victory in Aghanistan, and what it means for other nations/movements besides the USA, Afghanistan, China, Russia, Pakistan and Iran.
I read two articles recently, one a speech by Hezbollah's Secretary General Nasrallah, a Lebanese Shia movement. You may not recall, but Hezbollah shocked Israel by successfully defending against (yet another) Israeli invasion into Lebanon (2006). Lebanon is in the midst of a current financial, political and economic implosion. Nasrallah used the Taliban's victory as an oppty to rally the troops in Lebanon. There was a similar article written by I forget who, but he is an anti-establishment, anti-political-correctness agitator who ALSO used the Taliban's victory as an oppty to encourage the secession movement in the USA.
OTOH, Taiwan, Ukraine, and other marginal client states of the USA would see this as aa warning.
More interestingly, the Brits did their level-best to agitate the USA to stay in Afghaninstan and are going to engage in some political theater at the G7 to get the EU to scold Biden for not "staying the course".
Different nations have different interests to do this. There is a huge opium trade from Afghanistan thru various pathways to Europe, and much money-laundering by London (and possible German) banks. And since this was so very, very lucrative, nobody wants to see the party end, especially since Uncle Sam is paying for it. Biden* is taking a shellacking from our erstwhile allies about this,.
Yanno, I was alwaya under the assumption that Biden* was a tool of the CIA/drugsmuggling/banking/MIC/security (deep) state. But hearing the howls of outrage from neocons, "liberal" interventionists, and foreign militaries, I'm beginning to wonder whether this is true.
SOMEbody had to make the decision to cut and run, and it wasn't all of those interested parties making beaucoup bucks in Afghanistan, but someone with an eye on reality and the USA's interests at heart. I still think Biden* is a useful dupe: whoever is writing his script is going to throw him under the bus when they need to. And, unlike Trump, he is far far easier to get rid of; on health reasons if nothing else. It's elder abuse, right ut in the open.
But there is, I think, a previously unknown coalition pulling Biden's strings. I wonder who that is.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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My speculation is that the withdrawal was contrary to the MIC/ spook agency arms of the Deep State. There was some criticism of Biden*, that he failed to coordinate with the military, which was how it all turned into such a cluster. But it occurred to me that Trump DID coordinate with the military when it came to getting out of Syria, and look what they did to him. Trump's statement 'it's all about the oil' was, I believe, some butt-covering maneuver-after-the-fact of the military's/ covert ops' failure to actually withdraw from Syria.
Anyway, I'm curious to see how this all plays out. As I think could apply from the past, Katrina and Fukushima were big, highly visible events. And it would have been really obvious if the media failed to give them their due. (What was striking to me however, was how thoroughly coverage was turned off after a few weeks, even though the crises were still on going.) So is the fall of Pakistan, even though it was, I believe, in the cards from day 1. So the media pretty much HAS to cover it. And it HAS to acknowledge what a mess things are. That's a given. What I think will be instructive is if/ when the media cuts Afghanistan coverage off.
If the media keeps harping on the w/drawal the way it endlessly harped(s) about RUSSIA!!! RUSSIA!!! RUSSIA!!! then I'll think the Deep State is in control on that issue.
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Not so wise Eisenhower was ready to drop A-bombs on the Middle East just because he had bombs
While President Biden defended his decision to withdraw from Afghanistan by noting that “nation building” was never on the U.S. agenda for the region, the genesis of U.S. military invasions in the Middle East demonstrates that empire building was part of U.S. campaigns from the very beginning.
These campaigns did not begin with Afghanistan, Iraq or Kuwait. Instead, the era launched on July 14, 1958, when 2,000 U.S. Marines landed in coastal Lebanon. Authorized by President Dwight D. Eisenhower, Operation Blue Bat brought 14,000 U.S. forces to Lebanon to support pro-Western President Camille Chamoun amid civil unrest that imperiled his reelection (a reelection unconstitutional under Lebanese law). While the CIA had long interfered in regional politics and the United States held several air bases in the Middle East, the invasion marked the first time that U.S. forces were openly deployed for combat there. As historian Bruce Riedel suggests, this mission set out a pattern for interventionism that the United States would repeat again and again in the decades to come.
In 1957, Eisenhower had laid out a new Cold War doctrine, which aimed to keep communism out of the strategically crucial Middle East. The president noted that if the region’s oil supply fell into Soviet hands, this would “strangulate” the economies of Europe and Asia. Moreover, the “national integrity of other free nations” was “directly related to our own security.” These imperatives justified U.S. intervention should nations in the Middle East request American assistance. The president also secured $200 million per fiscal year for discretionary use in the region.
Eisenhower sent James Richards, special envoy to the Middle East, to sell his doctrine around the region, but Richards had little success. By October 1957, the London Times noted that Lebanon was now “the only Arab country to support” the Eisenhower Doctrine — and even that was a stretch. Only Chamoun’s unpopular pro-American government was on board, with Pan-Arabists and Muslim groups backed by Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser vehemently opposed.
Eisenhower instructed the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Nathan Twining, to be prepared to employ “whatever means necessary” to ensure a favorable outcome to the crisis — and according to Riedel, that included preparing nuclear weapons for deployment.
The United States’ adversaries read the situation correctly: Chinese newspaper PLA cautioned that “the U.S. openly threatened to carry out atomic warfare in Lebanon,” while Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev declined a call for aid from anti-government factions because the Soviet Union was “not ready for World War III.”
More at https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/opinions-afghanistan-s-collapse-e
xposes-the-truth-about-u-s-military-invasions-in-the-region/ar-AANJ55P
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Quote:That's an interesting thought, that the media is under the control of one part of the deep state but not another part.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
My speculation is that the withdrawal was contrary to the MIC/ spook agency arms of the Deep State. There was some criticism of Biden*, that he failed to coordinate with the military, which was how it all turned into such a cluster. But it occurred to me that Trump DID coordinate with the military when it came to getting out of Syria, and look what they did to him. Trump's statement 'it's all about the oil' was, I believe, some butt-covering maneuver-after-the-fact of the military's/ covert ops' failure to actually withdraw from Syria.
Anyway, I'm curious to see how this all plays out. As I think could apply from the past, Katrina and Fukushima were big, highly visible events. And it would have been really obvious if the media failed to give them their due. (What was striking to me however, was how thoroughly coverage was turned off after a few weeks, even though the crises were still on going.) So is the fall of Pakistan, even though it was, I believe, in the cards from day 1. So the media pretty much HAS to cover it. And it HAS to acknowledge what a mess things are. That's a given. What I think will be instructive is if/ when the media cuts Afghanistan coverage off.
If the media keeps harping on the w/drawal the way it endlessly harped(s) about RUSSIA!!! RUSSIA!!! RUSSIA!!! then I'll think the Deep State is in control on that issue.
FWIW I've still been trying to make sense of the panicked abadonment of Bagram, and I can only tie it to the CIA's drug trade: the Taliban were closing in, the CIA had bales of opium and/or purification equipment at Bagram and needed to scramble out ASAP. They needed the military for a big airlift and the military said "nuh-uh, not without our troops. we're not going to leave them holding your bag" so everyone jammed onboard post-haste and it was a rout. No time to get a consensus from "allies and partners" who were prolly informed while planes were in air.
Keep in mind that Afghaninstan was producing somewhere in the realm of 80-95% of world opium: not an insignificant amount!
So if anyone is pissed about anything, it's the sudden collapse of their revenue stream without forewarning from the spooks, who are supposed to keep them informed of such upcoming events.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Oh, and further speculating tha the CIA may have already had a chance to find alternate funding ... in that four trillion dollar spending plan, it would be so easy to siphon money off to black ops. But other nations with their own spook agencies (looking at YOU, MI6!) and illicit money-laundering activities (for which British banks are so famous)
What I find interesting is that if you attempt to "follow the money" - as I did- associated with Afghaninstan's prodigious opium production, you get *crickets*. Drug money from MEXICO? Yep! HSBC got nailed with it! Asset stripping from former Soviet states? Yep! Danske Bank got nailed with that, too! Cayman Islands, Deutschbank, the Channel banks ... even UBS and Wachovia have been implicated in dodgy business from everywhere around the world EXCEPT Afghanistan.
Curious. All that money just ... disappears.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Ivo Daalder© @lvoHDaalder tweeted:
There's a big fallacy behind the criticism of Biden's decision to withdraw from Afghanistan—which is that the alternative to withdrawal was the status quo (as McConnell and other critics maintain). That's simply wrong.
Before Biden’s “reckless decision to leave,” McConnell said, “we only had 2,500 troops there. We hadn’t lost a single American person, military personnel in a year. The Taliban, the barbarians, were not in charge of the country. We were keeping the lid on. And al-Qaida was not there.”
The situation McConnell describes, of a stable Afghanistan maintained by 2,500 troops and no US casualties in a year, was about to change as a result of the February 2020 agreement between Trump and the Taliban.
Under that agreement, the Taliban agreed not to attack US forces so long as those troops (and all civilian contractors) left by May 1. In the intervening months, the Taliban had strengthened its position (in part because Trump had forced the Afghans to release 5,000 Taliban.
So when Biden came to office, the Taliban was at its strongest since its defeat in 2001 and US and NATO forces were slated to leave Afghanistan in 3 months. The Taliban had been degrading Afghan forces and preparing a major offensive after foreign troops had been withdrawn.
If Biden had reneged on the Trump deal, the Taliban would've resumed attacking US forces from a position of strength. To continue to support the Afghan government and security forces, the US would therefore have had to increase its military presence significantly.
So the choice facing Biden wasn't between withdrawal or an ideal status quo of keeping a few thousand troops who had suffered no casualties, as the critics maintain. It was between withdrawal or a major surge of troops to fight a strengthened Taliban.
Given that Biden had opposed the Obama surge in 2009 because he didn't think sending more troops would bring stability, let alone transform Afghanistan into a viable democracies, no one should have been surprised that he opted for withdrawal.
While Biden owns the consequence of his decision, which are now playing out, his critics should own up to the fact that the real alternative would have been a major escalation of a war that most Americans had long come to oppose.
To govern is to choose, as they say. Let's not pretend that the choice Biden and the government faced in Afghanistan was an easy one.
5:28 PM · Aug 24, 2021·Twitter Web App
https://twitter.com/IvoHDaalder/status/1430296057083318273
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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