Game Over

POSTED BY: DREAMTROVE
UPDATED: Friday, September 17, 2021 05:58
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DREAMTROVE

Saturday, August 21, 2021 3:06 AM

Sig's post about the "self disseminating vaccine" which is just a euphemism for "intentionally contagious bioweapon" was not wrong. It turns out that Tony Fauci patented SARS on waco's 9th death day, April 19th 2002. And made Sars to be have a gene sequence freely manipulated by computer sequencer, and remain contagious. The genes in 2019 are all previously patented weaponized viral sequences patented by Fauci's NIAID and Pfizer.

SIGNYM

Saturday, August 21, 2021 3:21 AM

Linky not worky.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, August 21, 2021 7:40 AM

I honestly have no idea how that extra "app/desktop" stuff got in your link.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

DREAMTROVE

Saturday, August 21, 2021 8:39 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I honestly have no idea how that extra "app/desktop" stuff got in your link.

IDK either.

Btw, I'd rather be crazy than dead, but do reread what I wrote in the other thread. You were not reading me correctly

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, August 21, 2021 9:03 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:

Sig's post about the "self disseminating vaccine" which is just a euphemism for "intentionally contagious bioweapon" was not wrong. It turns out that Tony Fauci patented SARS on waco's 9th death day, April 19th 2002. And made Sars to be have a gene sequence freely manipulated by computer sequencer, and remain contagious. The genes in 2019 are all previously patented weaponized viral sequences patented by Fauci's NIAID and Pfizer.

Wasn't this kinda known beforehand? or did you just find it?

DREAMTROVE

Saturday, August 21, 2021 9:21 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Wasn't this kinda known beforehand? or did you just find it?

I just found it. Usually if it was already known someone just posts "already a thread on this

I mean it's seriously fucking damning that they patented the vax as a bioweapon before the outbreak. And that it's a matter of public record. How can even a serious moron continue to argue that it's not a bioweapon?

If I were a libtard, I'd want to distance myself from anchoring my belief system to a genocide that intends to be 1000x the size of the holocaust. The post apoc world will automatically use anyone who flies a rainbow flag from their MLK BLM soy mobile as target practice. and since africa isn't getting vaxed it'll probably be black folk shooting at them, but their beliefs will not help them, as they will have just exterminated the planet. I mean, I've heard of toxic political positions, but to be completely fair, these guys make the actual nazis seem quaint

SECOND

Saturday, August 21, 2021 10:18 AM

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Wasn't this kinda known beforehand? or did you just find it?

I just found it.

DreamTrove, this is old, Old, OLD news.

USA Today looked at this one year ago:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/23/fact-check-pl
andemic-ii-alleges-false-cdc-nih-conspiracy-theory/3408658001/

Fact Check's version, also from last year:

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/08/new-plandemic-video-peddles-misinfor
mation-conspiracies/

Reuters version, from this year:

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-covid-vaccine/fact-check-
the-mrna-coronavirus-vaccine-is-a-vaccine-and-it-is-designed-to-prevent-illness-idUSKBN2AM0SS

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

DREAMTROVE

Saturday, August 21, 2021 10:36 AM

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Originally posted by second:

DreamTrove, this is old, Old, OLD news.

What, do you eat rocks? I mean, how do you survive a day?

If you actually knew that the vax was a proven and admitted bioweapon, and was actively being used in genocide for agenda and profit, why on earth would you go on a public forum and advocate openly for it.

Or did you just think pretending that you already knew your side was genociding the planet, would be a position that made you look better? Or is your need to gainsay and trash absolutely everything everyone else posted so completely pathological that you had to claim ownership of genocide rather than ever admit to having been wrong?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, August 21, 2021 10:55 AM

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Or did you just think...

Second doesn't think. He just repeats what his Legacy Media Masters tell him.

Same with Ted and JO.

It's just sad with JO though. He's the smartest guy on this board and still they found a way to worm their way in that noggin and wash it clean.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

SECOND

Saturday, August 21, 2021 4:12 PM

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:

DreamTrove, this is old, Old, OLD news.

What, do you eat rocks? I mean, how do you survive a day?

If you actually knew that the vax was a proven and admitted bioweapon, and was actively being used in genocide for agenda and profit, why on earth would you go on a public forum and advocate openly for it.

Or did you just think pretending that you already knew your side was genociding the planet, would be a position that made you look better? Or is your need to gainsay and trash absolutely everything everyone else posted so completely pathological that you had to claim ownership of genocide rather than ever admit to having been wrong?

Do you remember your post, DreamTrove?
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64499&mid=11391
02#1139102

DreamTrove, in your post you made all the varieties of Covid-19 and all the vaccines as working parts of Armageddon. Your ideas are from the Bible's book of Revelation, specifically Rev. 15.7:
https://www.biblesociety.org.uk/explore-the-bible/read/eng/KJV/Rev/15/
highlight:7/

I spent many hours in Bible study of Revelation. Because of all that study I am not a believer in the Bible. Maybe you should switch over to using a science fiction novel, rather than the Bible, to make more emotionally convincing your point that vaccines are genocide. I just want to help you make the very best case you can convincing a large number of voting Americans to never again get vaccinated for any disease, but especially Covid-19.

Understanding the Book of Revelation
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/apocalypse/revelation/w
hite.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

DREAMTROVE

Saturday, August 21, 2021 7:36 PM

Second,

You have completely outsourced your thinking to the fact check machine. Now we know your thoughts on everything. Whatever the fact check just said. This will save you a lot of trouble.

The rest of us have realized that the fact check is the propaganda machine.

SIGNYM

Saturday, August 21, 2021 7:42 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Second doesn't think. He just repeats what his Legacy Media Masters tell him.
Same with Ted and JO.
It's just sad with JO though. He's the smartest guy on this board and still they found a way to worm their way in that noggin and ~~wash it clean.~~ infect it

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

DREAMTROVE

Saturday, August 21, 2021 8:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Second doesn't think. He just repeats what his Legacy Media Masters tell him.
Same with Ted and JO.
It's just sad with JO though. He's the smartest guy on this board and still they found a way to worm their way in that noggin and ~~wash it clean.~~ infect it

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Ah, thanks, I missed that.

DREAMTROVE

Saturday, August 21, 2021 8:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Second doesn't think. He just repeats what his Legacy Media Masters tell him.

Same with Ted and JO.

It's just sad with JO though. He's the smartest guy on this board and still they found a way to worm their way in that noggin and wash it clean.

Lack of free time is the mother of laziness. I know many brilliant people who have scheduled their lives to save time and have become effectively total morons because they outsource their thinking, and predictably, to people who lie to them constantly, and want to kill them.

I can just avoid talking to these people now. They're already dead if they're at "bioweapon is good food." They'd be better off if they actually just literally ate rocks.

SIGNYM

Saturday, August 21, 2021 8:09 PM

So, I'm working my way thru this video, and there is a lot in it.

First of all, who is Dr David E Martin?

According to Dr Martin' website http://www.davidmartin.world/about/

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His first invention was a laser integrated system to target and treat inoperable tumors.

There is no link to this achievement, and an online search does not turn up his name as the inventor of laser to treat inoperable tumors

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His mathematics helped unravel the way the human body processes hormones and led to the detection and treatment of many diseases.

SUCH AS??? I could find no independent online results attesting to this.

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His observation of human behavior led to his development of technology which deciphers the intention and motivation of communication – a technology that has impacted and saved the lives of billions.

So. Are there
"billions" more alive today than would be otherwise? You would think that we would notice it in our population growth curve. Again, aside from his own statements, I could find no online search results attesting to this.

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His global business activities served to develop the world’s top-performing global equity index (including the CNBC IQ100 powered by M·CAM).

There is ... or was .. an IQ100 index fund reported on CNBC. But when I limit my search to "past year" only, no results turn up except spam. ("You are the 5th billionth search! Click here to claim your prize!" *beep beep*)

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He’s brought the world’s largest white-collar criminals to justice and brught [sic] the world’s most oppressed and disenfranchised transformative ways to engage.

Wow, there should be no white collar criminals left! (Or typos, either.) Maybe HE should be investigating Trump, Ukraine, the IMF, and the lately-departed Afghan government!

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He also invented ways to walk on water, and turn water into wine.

Well, er, no. I made up that last part myself. But you get my drift.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

SIGNYM

Saturday, August 21, 2021 8:14 PM

He then goes to talk about how there were SARS patents before Covid-19, way back when in 2003.

But he neglects to put that directly in context with the SARS (not v.2.0 which we are experiencing now, but the ORIGINAL version) outbreak in Asia in Nov 2002, which was much more deadly than the version we're dealing with currently.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15018125

The patent that he describes as "creating SARS" is not as he describes
https://patents.google.com/patent/US7279327B2/en

He avers that the only difference between one SARS-Cov2 variant and another is "when" you start "reading" the sequence, but (having seen the exact difference between the two) there are real differences between them. For example ABBA is not that same as ABBBA. No matter which way you read it or where you start ... unless you manage to only "read" the "AB" part and miss the "BB" and "BBB" part entirely ... there is no way to mistake one for the other.

In addition, he makes a bit of a fuss about how viral genes were patented back then, but neglects to tell you that the Supreme Court didn't get around to disallowing patents on human genomes ("natural products") until 2003, at which point there were literally hundreds of patents on the human genome, and other naturally-occurring gene sequences, which were voided.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/12-398_1b7d.pdf

The SARS patent which he claims the CDC filed in 2003 (#7220852) was actually filed in 2004 and not granted until 2007.
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/6b/c3/21/a62eb55a0e678c/US
7220852.pdf
but aside from what he says, I don't know the fate of the "natural products" part of the patent. It IS definitely within patent law to patent test procedures and modified genes.

OK, so at this point, having done a deep dive into his video from the very beginning, my head started to hurt. So I'm going to skip ~~around a bit.~~ a lot.

Most of the beginning of the video simply demonstrates that there was a lot of monkeying around with viral genes even before 2000 and a lot of patent activity around that, back then.

For context, when he refers to "non tangible assets" he refers to patents and copyrights.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

DREAMTROVE

Saturday, August 21, 2021 9:36 PM

Sig, still have that pharma stock huh? Went full propaganda fact check on us.
There's a war for the survival of the human race
Hint: you're on the wrong side.

Have you looked into the past rewards for loyal commies? they all get shot.

This dude is clearly very thorough, he's talking to a bunch of people who are also very thorough, and all the data is in the public domain. They're trying to stop bioterrorism, which does not make them profit. The other side is trying to kill everyone, which makes them trillions, and the earth.

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He avers that the only difference between one SARS-Cov2 variant and another is "when" you start "reading" the sequence

BTW, I thought that was an odd comment also, but viruses do have some, not much, non-coding DNA which he alludes to. But the more damning claim is that there is no part of the code that is not also in one of these patents. And that there were patents filed to use as a bioweapon. That's just open and shut case. Hence the heading of this thread.

I understand a lot of this stuff, as do you. But we're also dealing with people who will always understand more because they've devoted their lives to it. If I'm looking and Martin and Fauci as two proponents of the truth, Fauci has been a total fraud and a scammer my entire life.

It's not bothering me that Tony Fauci and his NIAID have the patent on the CMV flu shot that killed my sister. Anyway, it's clear to me, Sig, that you never actually budge on your opposition to everything, you're just anchored in the psychological investment of mistakes you've made out of loyalty to your side.

SIGNYM

Saturday, August 21, 2021 9:45 PM

I AM checking the public domain.

He says a lot "about" himself that I could not validate.
You're welcome to try.

He says there was "a lot" of patent filings around viruses (also, the human genome) in 2001-2002 by all kinds of agencies. That was before the Supreme Court ruling in 2003 which disallowed patents on natural products. After that, I assume a lot of those filings died down.

He makes the case that Fauci was investigating the use of a corona virus (which btw could NOT replicate, according TO HIM, AND according to the patent, which I looked up) as a "viral vector" for a vaccine. "Viral vector" vaccines are new, but not unheard-of. There are two Ebola viral vector vaccines and four SARS-Cov2 viral vector vaccines, based (as I understand it) on an adenovirus, not a coronavirus.

But if that's what concerns you, the the mRNA vaccines, which are NOT viral vectored, should be much safer.

The main question ... and I'm going to skip the video and address it directly, is ... can the mRNA vaccine insert itself into your DNA???

First, let's start with what it takes to do that.

There must be an enzyme ... a "reverse transcriptase" ... which converts RNA to DNA to make it suitable for insertion.

The reverse transcriptase usually comes AS PART OF the virus.

I already mentioned that, way back when. I posted (SIX should remember this) "There are some viruses that can insert themselves into our DNA, the cheeky bastards"

Here is a quick list and brief explanation of those viruses ...

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Although retroviruses have different subfamilies, they have three basic groups: the oncoretroviruses (oncogenic retroviruses), the lentiviruses (slow retroviruses) and the spumaviruses (foamy viruses).[4] The oncoretroviruses are able to cause cancer in some species, the lentiviruses are able to cause severe immunodeficiency and death in humans and other animals, and the spumaviruses are benign and not linked to any disease in humans or animals.[4]

Many retroviruses cause serious diseases in humans, other mammals, and birds.[5] Human retroviruses include HIV-1 and HIV-2, the cause of the disease AIDS. Also, human T-lymphotropic virus (HTLV) causes disease in humans. The murine leukemia viruses (MLVs) cause cancer in mouse hosts.[6] Retroviruses are valuable research tools in molecular biology, and they have been used successfully in gene delivery systems.[7]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrovirus

You will note that coronavirus is NOT part of that list. In fact, MOST viruses aren't retroviruses.

SOME viruses are directly DNA-based. Again, a quick list and explanation of DNA-based viruses

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Prominent disease-causing DNA viruses include herpesviruses, papillomaviruses, and poxviruses.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_virus

You will again notice that coronavirus is not in that list.

The coronaviruses are single-stranded, non-retroviral RNA-based viruses that work outside of the nucleus and directly in the ribosomes to make proteins and to make more of itself. It is in the nature of coronaviruses to generally NOT muck about in the nucleus or in our DNA.

Now, some investigators have shown that SARS-Cov2 can insert PARTS of itself (significantly, NOT the spike protein, but the nucleocapsid or "N" portion of the virus) into DNA, "in vitro", that is ... in a petri dish.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33330870/

However, others have tried to replicate this work and can't
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34344759/

So, we go back to the "virus v vaccine" debate. Which is more dangerous? An mRNA spike vaccine which apparently (so far) doesn't insert itself into our DNA, or the full-on virus, which might?

Also, I did scan some of the referenced patents (#7279327 and #7220852) and I doubt that you will find an open claim to "bioweapons" in any patents.

I sure didn't.

In terms of the first patent (#...327) they descri

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, August 21, 2021 10:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Second doesn't think. He just repeats what his Legacy Media Masters tell him.

Same with Ted and JO.

It's just sad with JO though. He's the smartest guy on this board and still they found a way to worm their way in that noggin and wash it clean.

Lack of free time is the mother of laziness. I know many brilliant people who have scheduled their lives to save time and have become effectively total morons because they outsource their thinking, and predictably, to people who lie to them constantly, and want to kill them.

I can just avoid talking to these people now. They're already dead if they're at "bioweapon is good food." They'd be better off if they actually just literally ate rocks.

Not a lack of free time in JO's case. He was laid off right around the beginning of the Plandemic and at my STRONG urging he got on unemployment after he said he wasn't going to. Never heard a status update since then, but if he hadn't gotten another job he's still collecting that for another few weeks in his state.

He did spend quite a lot of time building a super helmet to keep the germs at bay in his very impressive shop.

Great to have a hobby, although I question the choice of hobby here since it doesn't take your mind off current events at all while you're working on it.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, August 21, 2021 10:13 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, we go back to the "virus v vaccine" debate. Which is more dangerous? An mRNA spike vaccine which apparently (so far) doesn't insert itself into our DNA, or the full-on virus, which might?

"apparently [according to Fauci and TPTB] (so far)" doesn't seem like much of an endorsement.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

SIGNYM

Saturday, August 21, 2021 10:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, we go back to the "virus v vaccine" debate. Which is more dangerous? An mRNA spike vaccine which apparently (so far) doesn't insert itself into our DNA, or the full-on virus, which might?

"apparently [according to Fauci and TPTB] (so far)" doesn't seem like much of an endorsement.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

NOT according to Fauci. There is a tremendous amount of research going on at universities around the world.

Much is already known and established knowledge about how RNA viruses work, what they do and don't do. Corona viruses do NOT contain the necessary "reverse transcriptase" to convert RNA into DNA, and spike protein mRNA viruses are an even more limited subset of that.

The only area of relevant active research that I can find is whether human DNA contains reverse transcriptase that can act on coronaviruses. (IT does contain some.)

Since, as even the good doctor avers, coronaviruses have been around for millenia, IF coronaviruses were able to insert themselves into our DNA, we should be seeing viral fragments of the nucleacapsid (the most common part) in our DNA by now.

Do we?
I dunno.
I haven't found earlier evidence of it, and I've looked.

Anyway, I'm going to listen to the end, but so far it's a lot of "maybes" and conjecture. YES, there was a lot of research going into coronaviruses, and maybe they were being researched as a bioweapon. The insertion that makes THIS coronavirus more infectious is already well-known and published, and the mutation that makes the delta variant even more infectious is also known and published. It's in the spike protein, btw.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, August 21, 2021 10:36 PM

Time bombs are a thing.

We might not see anything dubious until it's far too late for everyone who was injected.

And anybody trying to argue that things "just don't work that way" just don't have a very good imagination. Unfortunately for everybody, the same can't be said for the ones responsible for creating this virus and whatever other genetic tinkering they're being paid to do.

80% of the once fantastical things I saw on Sci-Fi movies and TV shows growing up are already real today.

I know you're trying harder than most to remain unbiased on this, but you have to acknowledge the fact that it is impossible for you to remain unbiased in your position.

Like I've always said, I don't want there to be any bad news here. A lot of people I care about already have taken it.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

1KIKI

Saturday, August 21, 2021 11:00 PM

The big question is HOW is all the supposed to happen?

The entire RNA viral genome was published by the Chinese ASAP. Since then researchers around the globe have looked at it, confirmed it, studied its new mutations and genealogy, and so on. There is nothing unknown in that code.

As part of that code, the mRNA viral genome is also known down to each individual RNA base.

There's nothing hidden, and nothing extra, in terms of the actual viral genome or the vax. There's no 'there' there.

SECOND

Saturday, August 21, 2021 11:01 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Time bombs are a thing.

We might not see anything dubious until it's far too late for everyone who was injected.

And anybody trying to argue that things "just don't work that way" just don't have a very good imagination. Unfortunately for everybody, the same can't be said for the ones responsible for creating this virus and whatever other genetic tinkering they're being paid to do.

80% of the once fantastical things I saw on Sci-Fi movies and TV shows growing up are already real today.

I know you're trying harder than most to remain unbiased on this, but you have to acknowledge the fact that it is impossible for you to remain unbiased in your position.

Like I've always said, I don't want there to be any bad news here. A lot of people I care about already have taken it.

Are there any time limits on 6ix and DreamTrove predictions of Doom? 6ix talks of time bombs. DreamTrove talks of Armageddon, the Book of Revelation, and genocide. I have also heard this talk about the End Times when I went to church -- the countdown to the End started in 1914 when WWI began. One hundred years of waiting has meant to the Faithful (which excludes me) that the End is very near, just give it another 100 years. How long will 6ix and DreamTrove wait until they lose Faith in their predictions of Doom?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

DREAMTROVE

Saturday, August 21, 2021 11:23 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

There's no 'there' there.

What an odd choice of words

Siggie, I know how retroviruses work. I agree on the reverse transcriptase, but why are we having this sideline argument? It was a scientific video, it was a political follow the money story.

There is no vax, there is only bioweapon. patented bioweapon

Second

whatever.

1KIKI

Saturday, August 21, 2021 11:47 PM

"There is no there there"

It's a quote, of Gertrude Stein, about Oakland, CA. In popular parlance it's come to mean "The indicated thing, person, or other matter has no distinctive identity, or no significant characteristics, or no functional center point; nothing significant exists in that place; nothing significant is occurring in that situation".

SECOND

Sunday, August 22, 2021 12:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:

It was a scientific video, it was a political follow the money story.
There is no vax, there is only bioweapon. patented bioweapon

Second

whatever.

Since you give no date when this bio-weapon kills most of the vaccinated, you can never be wrong. You can always say that the deaths will happen, but doomsday is in the future, sometime, don't know when, unpredictable, because if predictable, the bio-weapon would earn less money for its designers. Buddhist religious leaders do the same sneaky trick when they preach reincarnation and then remind non-believers that it is impossible to disprove reincarnation.
https://www.google.com/search?q=impossible+to+disprove+reincarnation

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, August 22, 2021 1:22 AM

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
DreamTrove, this is old, Old, OLD news.

What, do you eat rocks? I mean, how do you survive a day?

If you actually knew that the vax was a proven and admitted bioweapon, and was actively being used in genocide for agenda and profit, why on earth would you go on a public forum and advocate openly for it.

Or did you just think pretending that you already knew your side was genociding the planet, would be a position that made you look better? Or is your need to gainsay and trash absolutely everything everyone else posted so completely pathological that you had to claim ownership of genocide rather than ever admit to having been wrong?

Man, first you spank kiki, and now you lay down the hammer on second (used to be "two" before 7 or 9 years ago).
Just so entertaining.

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, August 22, 2021 1:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:

It was a scientific video, it was a political follow the money story.
There is no vax, there is only bioweapon. patented bioweapon

Second

whatever.

Since you give no date when this bio-weapon kills most of the vaccinated, you can never be wrong. You can always say that the deaths will happen, but doomsday is in the future, sometime, don't know when, unpredictable, because if predictable, the bio-weapon would earn less money for its designers. Buddhist religious leaders do the same sneaky trick when they preach reincarnation and then remind non-believers that it is impossible to disprove reincarnation.
https://www.google.com/search?q=impossible+to+disprove+reincarnation

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, August 22, 2021 1:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

"There is no there there"

It's a quote, of Gertrude Stein, about Oakland, CA. In popular parlance it's come to mean "The indicated thing, person, or other matter has no distinctive identity, or no significant characteristics, or no functional center point; nothing significant exists in that place; nothing significant is occurring in that situation".

I didn't know it was her, but I knew that it was a feminazi phrase. Thanks for the origin, now I know why only they use it. It's nonsense from one of their sacred cows. Thanks for clearing that up.

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, August 22, 2021 1:50 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Man, first you spank kiki, and now you lay down the hammer on second (used to be "two" before 7 or 9 years ago).
Just so entertaining.

ah, second is two. i should have figured. completely outsourced brain there. though I don't know whether there was any there.

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, August 22, 2021 2:32 AM

https://plandemicvideo.com/plandemic-part-2-indoctrination-2/

SIGNYM

Sunday, August 22, 2021 2:33 AM

SIX: YOU'RE ENGAGING IN A MAJOR LOGIC FAIL.

On the one hand, one half of your brain is screaming "nobody has ever died of SARS-CoV2!".

OTOH, you've managed to split your brain and the other half (that's apparently not talking to the first half) is screaming that a vaccine, itself just a FRACTION of the virus, is a Big Problem!

I give DT quite a bit of leeway bc I understand he has all kinds of memory problems. But right now the two of you- DT & SIX- sound just like JO753 with his RUSSIA!RUSSIA! paranoia.

Apply some of rigorous demand for EVIDENCE that should be applied.

So far, when I bird-dog all the crap that's been thrown against the wall, it's just like TRUMP HAS A SERVER IN HIS BASEMENT COMMUNICATING WITH SBERBANK!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, August 22, 2021 5:24 AM

Sig

My position on this is in line with the one on HIV I said to JSF.
Just because AZT is a chemical weapon does not make HIV not a bioweapon
Just because the vax is a bioweapon does not mean COVID is not also a bioweapon

Everything I've seen to date leads me to believe that COVID is a bioweapon
I've known one person in rl who has. died of corona. I live in a small town. We've lost 1 to covid and 2 to vax complications. I'm very sick at the moment. I think it's related, There are bioweapons, but I don't think there's a biowar. I think both bioweapons come from the same side.

So yeah, COVID is dangerous. The vax is also dangerous. The safe move is far from Gates and Fauci.

SIGNYM

Sunday, August 22, 2021 6:23 AM

DT: WHATEVER.

I know two people who died of Covid and NOBODY who even had a serious reaction to the vax.
So there.

But clearly, despite both the virus AND the vax being fully-sequenced and NOTHING in the sequence indicating any sort of crossover with fertility, you're going to "believe" what you believe, and there is no evidence, or lack thereof, that will convince you otherwise. It's all based on your deep-rooted suspicion of "them", just like JO753's deep-rooted suspicion of Trump and and Putin.

But, the real world doesn't operate on your fears or "their" evil intentions. There has t be some MECHANISM, some REAL WORLD action that leaves behind EVIDENCE.

I have DILIGENTLY bird-dogged every single piece of information that you've posted, and I learned A LOT. Mostly, what I learned is that people can whip up hysteria (BASED ON NOTHING) about this topic just as easily as they can about TRUMP!RUSSIA!

With that knowledge I will continue to look for credible information that there is a problem. But SO FAR, there doesn't appear to be one.

Peace out.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, August 22, 2021 7:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

The big question is HOW is all the supposed to happen?

The entire RNA viral genome was published by the Chinese ASAP. Since then researchers around the globe have looked at it, confirmed it, studied its new mutations and genealogy, and so on. There is nothing unknown in that code.

As part of that code, the mRNA viral genome is also known down to each individual RNA base.

There's nothing hidden, and nothing extra, in terms of the actual viral genome or the vax. There's no 'there' there.

And the 7.5 Billion people who aren't qualified to make that assessment are just supposed to trust those who are.

No thank you.

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DREAMTROVE

Monday, August 23, 2021 3:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
DT: WHATEVER.

I know two people who died of Covid and NOBODY who even had a serious reaction to the vax.
So there.

My anecdotal data is different from yours? That's not not an argument. That's your mileage may very.

You just completely failed to take in the information, and decided to remain uninformed.

A lot of things in life a political choices which are matters of opinion. This one is the wrong one to view that way, as this is the one that kills everyone.

SIGNYM

Monday, August 23, 2021 3:28 AM

I listened to the whole sodding video.

I looked up

... the person (claims all kinds of inventions not verifiable)

... his company (apparently defunct)

... and the patents he was referring to (misrepresented)

I looked up related research from independent sources, one which says RNA MIGHT make its way into DNA via the transposon portions of our own DNA, but that this mostly relates to the nucleocapsid portion of a virus- not the spike portion- and other paper also in preprint that says they couldn't find any such evidence.

I am not disregarding the possibility that some viral RNA might make its way into our DNA, but I come back to my original statement: if the vax is dangerous, then the virus is even more so bc it contains the entire genomic, enzymatic, and protein panoply.

Like I said: You're going to believe what you believe, and no evidence or lack thereof will change your mind.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

DREAMTROVE

Monday, August 23, 2021 8:57 AM

Sig

I will not go back from "informed" into "stupid" but I have changed my opinion a lot since I started talking here even this month even on this topic. because now i have a lot more information

i've read a lot of the mainstream nonsense on covid, it's the same 3rd grade garbage over and over again without any real science in it. It's weird TV drama science-sounding talking points and sound bytes that do not even remotely approximate real medical science. Not only am I convinced the morons spouting it are frauds, I think any actual medical staff or scientists supporting are is probably also a fraud. It's meant for morons. It doesn't take a lot of training to see that it's nonsense. a BA in biochem will do it.

Now, I will grant that the patent clerk was not a biochemist, that was clear. he had something of an understanding of the field but I thought it wasn't solid. What he had was the ability to cross reference insane amounts of data in his head like Rainman. which of course is what Einstein could do that made him famous as a patent clerk. Einstein was in many ways not as brilliant as he is claimed to be. But that said, I did not see anything in the refuting of any of his points that he said were on the public record, which would, in any serious way, affect the major conclusions of the research. That coronavirus and its "vaccine" were engineered bioweapons for power and profit.

All of this makes perfect sense, as did the Event 201. As I try to piece together what happened with this story. It's clear that govts which did fuckall to protect their population from any threats prior to this, do not care about the lives of the little people, and like corporations, care a lot about the money they make and the power they can gain. I think it's logical to try to discern their motivations in part based on decades or in some cases centuries of past behavior.

I'm not stoking for mr. Martin, though I didn't find any confirmation that his company is defunct.

It's just data in a mess of more data all leading to a common logical theory and away from an official corporate globalist narrative

I think the "mrna writes itself into your dna" is a common anti-vax talking point, i'm not convinced that it's true. i think the capsid is completely artificial and not created by the bioweapon mrna.

I think this is a side argument about whether there's any retroviral activity in the vax.

The main point is this: without the help of the vax community spreading the spike protein and creating carriers around the world, covid would have had far less impact, it's been mostly panic and a really bad flu.

But I'm not saying covid isn't a threat, it might kill me right now, but all the people I could have gotten it from were vaccinated, so that means
A) the vax doesn't work as a vaccine, which we already know, it's a weapon not a vaccine
B) the vax creates a capacity to carry higher loads of the virus making toxic contagious carriers, which is also possible.

or both

we had 3,718 cases of covid in my county, which resulted in 47 deaths. There was one massive outbreak at a college, which was 700 of those cases and 0 deaths, and then my county also has a lot of nursing homes that care for elderly people from the city.

10x that many people, around 37,000 have gotten the vax. I don't have death numbers, but we've had six people now who have severe reactions other than the two who died, a mother and daughter, shortly after getting vaxed. I suspect that all this data is probably more or less representative, and the people dying from the vax are there for fewer per population infected (2%) in my town, than the virus (10 cases, 1 death is 10%) but many more people are getting the vax, leading to more overall death.

There's another disturbing detail that the vax seems to be useless as a vax because it's not a vax. The people who have had serious reactions ar

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, August 23, 2021 9:03 AM

Hey man. I think I found your movie.

You haven't been back to the Cinema thread to tell me if I was right.

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DREAMTROVE

Monday, August 23, 2021 10:38 AM

thanks for the reminder, i got stuck here in the mud

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, August 24, 2021 6:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Sig

My position on this is in line with the one on HIV I said to JSF.
Just because AZT is a chemical weapon does not make HIV not a bioweapon
Just because the vax is a bioweapon does not mean COVID is not also a bioweapon

Everything I've seen to date leads me to believe that COVID is a bioweapon
I've known one person in rl who has. died of corona. I live in a small town. We've lost 1 to covid and 2 to vax complications. I'm very sick at the moment. I think it's related, There are bioweapons, but I don't think there's a biowar. I think both bioweapons come from the same side.

So yeah, COVID is dangerous. The vax is also dangerous. The safe move is far from Gates and Fauci.

I conjure you are not really listening anymore. That's OK.

HIV is an ineffective bioweapon.

Whole groups of folks whp were found HIV positive lived for decades without any adverse effects, ailments

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, August 24, 2021 8:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

I conjure you are not really listening anymore. That's OK.

HIV is an ineffective bioweapon.

Whole groups of folks whp were found HIV positive lived for decades without any adverse effects, ailments

Not "not listening" just I base my scientific opinions on scientific research I have done myself, generally, rather than from political arguments. It's not that you can't change my mind, it's that I'm not coming to a conclusion by being talked to the position. You've put the seed of doubt, but I'd have to do the research.

I think everyone is well aware there are people who are found to be HIV+ and do not ever develop AIDS. Also I agree it's not an effective bioweapon. However, that doesn't mean it's not one. If you saw feline leukemia rip through a feral cat population, as I have, it's a pretty devastating force.

A researcher in feline leukemia might think deriving a similar disease from monkeys and pushing it to jump to humans would be angling for the same effect. Or to convince people that they needed treatments that would create that effect

A person doing that, might years later, develop a bioweapon around cytomegalovirus and claim it to be a cure for the flu and inject people with it annually.

A person like that might engineer and patent a bioweapon, and then engineer and patent a more potent form, and then release the contagion and try to convince people they needed a vaccine for it.

We're dealing with a monster, and it's not just Fauci, but a doomsday cult that feeds on the vision of the massacre his mengelian experiments can create. More than that, they masturbate to it.

I have some idea what we're dealing with. But science is science and scientific questions can only be solved scientifically.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, August 24, 2021 1:40 PM

Just a quick thought that occurred to me, DT.

The video that you posted made it very clear that this was all about MONEY. But if you release a bioweapon and the vaccine is also a bioweapon, aren't you reducing your captive market?

Seems a contradiction.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, August 24, 2021 6:35 PM

Your money is worth more if you can wipe out 3/4 of the population and have most of the survivors need what you're providing them to live.

At some point, maybe the people with all the money are more interested in the things that money can't by. Like not creating our own extinction by destroying the eco system.

Climate change IS an overpopulation problem that isn't going to go away otherwise.

What money CAN buy is a controlled event or series of events. Or at least I'm sure that's what they would be theorizing in this hypothetical event. Mother Nature usually finds a way to fuck up those plans.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

DREAMTROVE

Wednesday, August 25, 2021 2:03 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Just a quick thought that occurred to me, DT.

The video that you posted made it very clear that this was all about MONEY. But if you release a bioweapon and the vaccine is also a bioweapon, aren't you reducing your captive market?

Seems a contradiction.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I guess that's for the people who think it's all about money to debate.
I think it's about genocide. I think they print money.
But i also think everyone uses the "it's all about money" argument because everyone will accept it, and most people won't accept genocide. This was a huge problem in the actual holocaust. No one would accept that it was genocide, so many western countries and western media companies, some of them jewish, went to the camps and concluded there was nothing untoward going on.

DREAMTROVE

Wednesday, August 25, 2021 2:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Your money is worth more if you can wipe out 3/4 of the population and have most of the survivors need what you're providing them to live.

At some point, maybe the people with all the money are more interested in the things that money can't by. Like not creating our own extinction by destroying the eco system.

Climate change IS an overpopulation problem that isn't going to go away otherwise.

What money CAN buy is a controlled event or series of events. Or at least I'm sure that's what they would be theorizing in this hypothetical event. Mother Nature usually finds a way to fuck up those plans.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

I mean, if you want the money angle, maybe they have drugs already developed to treat the syncytin thing and other problems that arise. But I think they want sterile minions to work for them for life and then not have kids.

In reality, they probbaly kill themselves and a few billion others

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, August 25, 2021 5:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Sig

My position on this is in line with the one on HIV I said to JSF.
Just because AZT is a chemical weapon does not make HIV not a bioweapon
Just because the vax is a bioweapon does not mean COVID is not also a bioweapon

Everything I've seen to date leads me to believe that COVID is a bioweapon
I've known one person in rl who has. died of corona. I live in a small town. We've lost 1 to covid and 2 to vax complications. I'm very sick at the moment. I think it's related, There are bioweapons, but I don't think there's a biowar. I think both bioweapons come from the same side.

So yeah, COVID is dangerous. The vax is also dangerous. The safe move is far from Gates and Fauci.

I'm sorry, I was unable to complete my post.

I conjure you are not really listening anymore. That's OK.

HIV is an ineffective bioweapon.

Whole groups of folks who were found HIV positive lived for decades without any adverse effects, ailments, maladies, illnesses - whole groups, not merely individuals.

In my book, any bioweapon which cannot produce some ailment, malady, illness, or negative physical effects for a period of 30-40 years is extremely lame ass as a bioweapon.

I am concerned that you are inferring that I am pushing you. This is not the case. I have limited amounts and periods of time when I can post here - the mobile signing function between my phone and this site broke several years ago. I can visit and read, but posting is restricted for me.
You have stated you plan to think about it at some point in the future, and that is fine by me. You sound to me like an intelligent and critical thinker. I am not trying to convince you of anything, but since you have expressed interest in learning things, I am trying to provide you with as many of the underlying foundational concepts as I can, to help you find vectors to look into.
The alternative is to let you wander down the rabbit hole(s) that the Fauci Funnels will send you to, after 40 years of his lies being built up and reinforced with more lies. I prefer to assist with helpful info until you indicate you are no longer interested in thinking.

For decades, in the 50s and 60s and 70s, humans encountered HIV on a regular basis (in population context). Unless they were HIV-Negative and therefore died, nobody really cared.
Luc Montagnier discovered HIV, it sounds like. He did not create it, he did not start any wide distribution of it. But detection of the FULLY WORKING IMMUNE SYSTEM via detection of the ANTIBODY to HIV allowed Fauci and Frauds to target folk who had encountered HIV in the past decades. It was not suddenly spreading in the 1980s, is was just being tested for and used for hysteria.
HIV was not widely spreading in the 1980s, it was only being detected, found in the 1980s.

And if you had encountered in, say in the 1950s, then in the 1980s you were given a death warrant, aka AZT.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, August 25, 2021 11:01 PM

I find it much more convenient to review transcripts than videos.

FWIW I also looked up "M-CAM International" and specifically to an SEC filing. There IS a an LLC owned and operated by Dr Martin, but it lists only one person and describes itself as an "investment advisory" company, not a patent protection insurer, with less than a billion in assets.

Quote:
SPEAKERS

Reiner Fuellmich, Dr David Martin, Prof Martin Schwab, Dr Wolfgang Wodarg, Viviane Fischer

Reiner Fuellmich 00:00

Sorry, I have kept you waiting. It’s my fault. Are you still there?

Dr David Martin 00:04

Yes, I am.

Reiner Fuellmich 00:05

Oh, great. Nice to see you again.

Dr David Martin 00:07

Good to see you as well.

Reiner Fuellmich 00:09

SoI think it’s best if you introduce yourself. I know you’re the chairman of M-CAM International Innovation Risk Management, but that doesn’t tell a whole lot of people what you’re really doing?

Dr David Martin 00:25

Yeah, well, from a corporate standpoint, we have since 1998, been the world’s largest underwriter of intangible assets used in finance in 168 countries. So in the majority of the countries around the world, our underwriting systems, which include the entire corpus of all patents, patent applications, federal grants, procurement records, E-Government records, etc. We have the ability to not only track what is happening and who is involved in what’s happening, but we monitor a series of thematic interests for a variety of organisations and individuals, as well as for our own commercial use, because as you probably know, we maintain three global equity indices, which are the top performing large cap and mid cap equity indexes worldwide. So our business is to monitor the innovation that’s happening around the world and specifically to monitor the economics of that innovation, the degree to which, you know, financial interests are being served, you know, corporate interests are being dislocated, etc. So, our business is the business of innovation and its finance.

Reiner Fuellmich 02:03

Reiner translates. Okay, I got that. Yeah.

Dr David Martin 02:53

So, obviously from the standpoint of this presentation, as you know, we have reviewed the over 4000 patents that have been issued around SARS Coronavirus. And we have done a very comprehensive review of the financing of all of the manipulations of Coronavirus which gave rise to SARS as a sub clade of the beta Coronavirus family. And so what I wanted to do was give you a quick overview timeline wise because we’re not going to go through 4000 patents on this conversation but I have sent to you and your team, a document that is exceptionally important. This was made public in the spring of 2020. This document which which you do have and can be posted in the public record is quite critical in that we took the reported gene sequence, which was reportedly isolated as a novel Coronavirus, indicated as such by the ICTV, the International Committee on Taxonomy of Viruses of the World Health Organisation, we took the actual genetic sequences that were reportedly novel and reviewed those against the patent records that were available as of the spring of 2020. And what we found, as you’ll see in this report, are over 120 patented pieces of evidence to suggest that the declaration of a novel Coronavirus was actually entirely a fallacy. There was no novel Coronavirus. There are countless very subtle modifications of Coronavirus sequences that have been uploaded, but there was no single identified novel Coronavirus at all. As a matter of fact, we found records in the patent records of sequences attributed to novelty going to patents that were sought as early as 1999. So, not only was this not a novel anything, it’s actually not only not been novel, it’s not been novel for over two decades. But let’s take a very short, and what I’ll do is I’ll take you on a very short journey through the patent landscape to make sure people understand what happened. But as you know, up until 1999, the topic of Coronav

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DREAMTROVE

Wednesday, August 25, 2021 11:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

I'm sorry, I was unable to complete my post.

I conjure you are not really listening anymore. That's OK.

HIV is an ineffective bioweapon.

Whole groups of folks who were found HIV positive lived for decades without any adverse effects, ailments, maladies, illnesses - whole groups, not merely individuals.

In my book, any bioweapon which cannot produce some ailment, malady, illness, or negative physical effects for a period of 30-40 years is extremely lame ass as a bioweapon.

I am concerned that you are inferring that I am pushing you. This is not the case. I have limited amounts and periods of time when I can post here - the mobile signing function between my phone and this site broke several years ago. I can visit and read, but posting is restricted for me.
You have stated you plan to think about it at some point in the future, and that is fine by me. You sound to me like an intelligent and critical thinker. I am not trying to convince you of anything, but since you have expressed interest in learning things, I am trying to provide you with as many of the underlying foundational concepts as I can, to help you find vectors to look into.
The alternative is to let you wander down the rabbit hole(s) that the Fauci Funnels will send you to, after 40 years of his lies being built up and reinforced with more lies. I prefer to assist with helpful info until you indicate you are no longer interested in thinking.

For decades, in the 50s and 60s and 70s, humans encountered HIV on a regular basis (in population context). Unless they were HIV-Negative and therefore died, nobody really cared.
Luc Montagnier discovered HIV, it sounds like. He did not create it, he did not start any wide distribution of it. But detection of the FULLY WORKING IMMUNE SYSTEM via detection of the ANTIBODY to HIV allowed Fauci and Frauds to target folk who had encountered HIV in the past decades. It was not suddenly spreading in the 1980s, is was just being tested for and used for hysteria.
HIV was not widely spreading in the 1980s, it was only being detected, found in the 1980s.

And if you had encountered in, say in the 1950s, then in the 1980s you were given a death warrant, aka AZT.

Ah ok. Anyway, yes, I already knew that AZT was a death sentence. One friend of mine died gruesomely from it, back in 2000. I've also noticed though, the frequent attempts of Fauci and other bioterrorists over the years to use HIV as a vector for things like the flu shot, so I think at the very least, they think it's a bioweapon. Now maybe they modified the virus from its natural form, but IDK, this would take a lot of looking into.

At the moment I'm worried about the SARS, the CAPS, I think that it's a mix of essential human enzymes and any strong immune response could give you one or another autoimmune disease, so I'm trying to combat it with antivirals.

The one thing that is for sure is that we need a life without these fuckers in it, and that means the entirety of the beast that backs them. I'm working on that, and when we get there, we'll worry about what to do with them

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, August 26, 2021 5:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I'm sorry, I was unable to complete my post.

I conjure you are not really listening anymore. That's OK.

HIV is an ineffective bioweapon.

Whole groups of folks who were found HIV positive lived for decades without any adverse effects, ailments, maladies, illnesses - whole groups, not merely individuals.

In my book, any bioweapon which cannot produce some ailment, malady, illness, or negative physical effects for a period of 30-40 years is extremely lame ass as a bioweapon.

I am concerned that you are inferring that I am pushing you. This is not the case. I have limited amounts and periods of time when I can post here - the mobile signing function between my phone and this site broke several years ago. I can visit and read, but posting is restricted for me.
You have stated you plan to think about it at some point in the future, and that is fine by me. You sound to me like an intelligent and critical thinker. I am not trying to convince you of anything, but since you have expressed interest in learning things, I am trying to provide you with as many of the underlying foundational concepts as I can, to help you find vectors to look into.
The alternative is to let you wander down the rabbit hole(s) that the Fauci Funnels will send you to, after 40 years of his lies being built up and reinforced with more lies. I prefer to assist with helpful info until you indicate you are no longer interested in thinking.

For decades, in the 50s and 60s and 70s, humans encountered HIV on a regular basis (in population context). Unless they were HIV-Negative and therefore died, nobody really cared.
Luc Montagnier discovered HIV, it sounds like. He did not create it, he did not start any wide distribution of it. But detection of the FULLY WORKING IMMUNE SYSTEM via detection of the ANTIBODY to HIV allowed Fauci and Frauds to target folk who had encountered HIV in the past decades. It was not suddenly spreading in the 1980s, is was just being tested for and used for hysteria.
HIV was not widely spreading in the 1980s, it was only being detected, found in the 1980s.

And if you had encountered in, say in the 1950s, then in the 1980s you were given a death warrant, aka AZT.
Ah ok. Anyway, yes, I already knew that AZT was a death sentence. One friend of mine died gruesomely from it, back in 2000. I've also noticed though, the frequent attempts of Fauci and other bioterrorists over the years to use HIV as a vector for things like the flu shot, so I think at the very least, they think it's a bioweapon. Now maybe they modified the virus from its natural form, but IDK, this would take a lot of looking into.

At the moment I'm worried about the SARS, the CAPS, I think that it's a mix of essential human enzymes and any strong immune response could give you one or another autoimmune disease, so I'm trying to combat it with antivirals.

The one thing that is for sure is that we need a life without these fuckers in it, and that means the entirety of the beast that backs them. I'm working on that, and when we get there, we'll worry about what to do with them

I looked into the AIDS hoax back when it was starting to gear up.
Books you may wish to peruse at leisure: The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS (David Brock), Reinventing the AIDS Virus (Dr. Peter Duesberg), Deadly Deception (Dr. Robert Willner). Most of these have been banned.

I have not done the same with covid. But I have not seen you post anything about it which seems out of line.
But I don't equate the 2, other than now regarding Fauci.

DREAMTROVE

Thursday, August 26, 2021 8:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I looked into the AIDS hoax back when it was starting to gear up.
Books you may wish to peruse at leisure: The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS (David Brock), Reinventing the AIDS Virus (Dr. Peter Duesberg), Deadly Deception (Dr. Robert Willner). Most of these have been banned.

I have not done the same with covid. But I have not seen you post anything about it which seems out of line.
But I don't equate the 2, other than now regarding Fauci.

Fauci is now a three plague fraud. He was Captain AIDS, and then he was Captain FLU before being Captain Covid. The Flu shot and all the subsequent "superflues" were also him. H1N1 is a Fauci trademark. The idea that this man is a hero fighting the plagues of the world just defies any actual looking into either the science or the business end of anything he does. Fauci as fraudulent bioterrorist does fit the bill.

Here's another bothersome thing. Bill and Ted. Bill Gates is not a person with any medical training. His only connection to the medical world is that his dad was a director of planned parenthood.

if death cult monarchy is a thing, we're good, otherwise, wtf is a computer company exec who is also known for blatant fraud and code stealing, whose company already released computer viruses to drum up business (profItable model, so he scaled it up?) WTF is he doing being allowed to run world vaccination programs, when he has no medical or scientific background whatsoever.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, August 26, 2021 8:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
if death cult monarchy is a thing, we're good, otherwise, wtf is a computer company exec who is also known for blatant fraud and code stealing, whose company already released computer viruses to drum up business (profItable model, so he scaled it up?) WTF is he doing being allowed to run world vaccination programs, when he has no medical or scientific background whatsoever.

You already answered your question in the paragraph.

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, August 27, 2021 2:59 AM

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Here's another bothersome thing. Bill and Ted. Bill Gates is not a person with any medical training. His only connection to the medical world is that his dad was a director of planned parenthood.

if death cult monarchy is a thing, we're good, otherwise, wtf is a computer company exec who is also known for blatant fraud and code stealing, whose company already released computer viruses to drum up business (profItable model, so he scaled it up?) WTF is he doing being allowed to run world vaccination programs, when he has no medical or scientific background whatsoever.

When he was an exec, I don't think his company made any computers. Now he is retired, I think.
His first few decades were developing the business model of never, ever sell anything that works - the software version of Planned Obsolescence - all of his software was defective upon release, otherwise he would not allow it's release.
Having the mindset to only produce defective product can certainly translate to killing folk when applied to the medical field - but that was the whole point of Planned Parenthood, killing humans.

The answer is: money. Despite his well-known evil and greed, it comes down to money.

DREAMTROVE

Friday, August 27, 2021 3:10 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

The answer is: money. Despite his well-known evil and greed, it comes down to money.

I think that money is the easiest answer to sell people on, but I don't think it's the why. I think economy full of people is better for making money. I think the answer is satanic cult.

"I win if everyone else fails" is the first satanic logical fallacy
"there's limited resources on the earth" is second
"my children will succeed more if I kill everyone else" is the conclusion that leads them to join the sabbateans

The sabbateans are just lunatics following scripture because they think if they threaten to destroy the world it will bring them their messiah and antichrist.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, September 17, 2021 5:25 AM

Hey! When your populace is not stupid enough to fall for your trix, try an old trick from AIDS hysteria.
Just change the name of the vax.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/goodbye-pfizer-hello-comirnaty-top-162729966
.html

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I looked into the AIDS hoax back when it was starting to gear up.
Books you may wish to peruse at leisure: The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS (David Brock), Reinventing the AIDS Virus (Dr. Peter Duesberg), Deadly Deception (Dr. Robert Willner). Most of these have been banned.

I have not done the same with covid. But I have not seen you post anything about it which seems out of line.
But I don't equate the 2, other than now regarding Fauci.

Fauci is now a three plague fraud. He was Captain AIDS, and then he was Captain FLU before being Captain Covid. The Flu shot and all the subsequent "superflues" were also him. H1N1 is a Fauci trademark. The idea that this man is a hero fighting the plagues of the world just defies any actual looking into either the science or the business end of anything he does. Fauci as fraudulent bioterrorist does fit the bill.

Here's another bothersome thing. Bill and Ted. Bill Gates is not a person with any medical training. His only connection to the medical world is that his dad was a director of planned parenthood.

if death cult monarchy is a thing, we're good, otherwise, wtf is a computer company exec who is also known for blatant fraud and code stealing, whose company already released computer viruses to drum up business (profItable model, so he scaled it up?) WTF is he doing being allowed to run world vaccination programs, when he has no medical or scientific background whatsoever.

DT, another thing which may have been confusing is the naming of HIV.

in 1983, Luc Montagnier discovered LAV. He hypothesized that it might cause the fictional disease AIDS. And within 9 months, he had prven that it could not cause AIDS.
In 1984, Gallo/Fauci "discovered" HTLV-III.
Then, in Cal, ARV was discovered.

In 1986, the scientific community needed to unite to grab as much fundage from the4 government which was being thrown at the fictitious AIDS. They knew that all 3 of these were the same, but unfortunately they had already been proven to not cause AIDS.
So their sales pitch needed to do another Sigs/kiki move and start with the conclusion, and backstop the lies to support the fictitious conclusion.
So they renamed it Human IMMUNODEFICIENCY Virus, in order to make it confused with Acquired IMMUNE DEFICIENCY Syndrome, and thereby imply that it was somehow related.

So their rebranding of the name may be another thing which was confusing. As it was intended to be.

1KIKI

Friday, September 17, 2021 5:58 AM

There are actually 2 viruses which were originally theorized to cause AIDS - the HTLV family, and what eventually became known as HIV.

Human T-cell leukemia virus type 1 unveiled in a 1980 paper published by Gallo.
https://rarediseases.info.nih.gov/diseases/9645/human-t-cell-leukemia-
virus-type-1
https://www.pnas.org/content/112/51/15525

When HIV was discovered by 3 separate groups, they gave it 3 separate names: Gallo called it HTLV-III (because it was first thought to be part of the HTLV family), Dr. Luc Montagnier called it LAV, and Dr. Jay Levy of UCSF called it ARV. In 1987 the global community standardized on HIV as the name, especially after it became evident it wasn't part of the HTLV family.
https://history.nih.gov/display/history/Discovery+of+HIV

Calling something by different names doesn't make it a different thing. Or, 'a rose by any other name would smell as sweet'.

And as DT knows, this human multitude of lymphocyte infecting viruses isn't unique. There are even similar divisions within the cat viruses. There's FELV, the cat-equivalent of HTLV, and FIV the cat-equivalent of HIV.