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Saturday, August 14, 2021 12:40 PM

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I looked very thoroughly into the supposed link between syncytin-1 and SARS-CoV-2 Spike1 - and it just isn't there.

I can post the links, but unless you read them, you won't see what I saw.

But if you're interested, here's one example. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/352081823_SARS-CoV-2_spike_pr
otein_seropositivity_from_vaccination_or_infection_does_not_cause_sterility/fulltext/60bf9bda458515bfdb54ca29/SARS-CoV-2-spike-protein-seropositivity-from-vaccination-or-infection-does-not-cause-sterility.pdf


I sum however, looking at pregnancy outcomes on down through the individual amino acid sequences of both syncytin-1 and SARS-CoV-2 Spike1, there is no evidence of any effect on pregnancy which is the exact critical function of syncytin-1, and virtually no homology of it with SARS-CoV-2 Spike1 at the amino acid level (the longest stretch of amino acid similarities is =2-amino acids the same, one amino acid different, followed by 2 amino acids the same=).


(The only way people 'make it work' is by saying different amino acids are the same thing - oh, this is a hydrocarbon-chain amino acid so having this different other hydrocarbon-chain amino acid instead is just as good.

Here's the list of supposed amino acid homologies. Each amino acid is designated by a single letter. And you'll see that in many of the areas of supposed identity, the letters are NOT the same. Basically, someone decided a different amino acid was good enough to count.
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In addition, I can't find a critical role for syncytin-1 besides pregnancy. And that means syncytin-1 has no central role in males, and no central role in the elderly. And therefore its relative lack has no central role in health for non-pregnant females.




I do get that some old people smell funky because I've smelled that same smell myself on some of the many thousands of patients I've dealt with in my various jobs. And maybe some seriously ill people also smelled funky in the same way (and I do means seriously ill, as in dying of heart failure).

But as much as I looked, I found no link between 2-nonenal (or its further metabolites) and syncytin-1.

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Saturday, August 14, 2021 6:33 PM

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Vaccine Expert Vanden Bossche Calls For "Immediate Halt" To Vaccinations, Says They Encourage "Escape Mutant" Variants
As cited on Zerohedge. Original article here ...

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C-19 Pandemia: Quo vadis, homo sapiens?

1. Summary:

The WHO’s mass vaccination program has been installed in response to a public health emergency of international concern. As of the early days of the mass vaccination campaigns, at least a few experts have been warning against the catastrophic impact such a program could have on global and individual health. Mass vaccination in the middle of a pandemic is prone to promoting selection and adaptation of immune escape variants that are featured by increasing infectiousness and resistance to spike protein (S)-directed antibodies (Abs), thereby diminishing protection in vaccinees and threatening the unvaccinated... This first critical step can only be achieved by calling an immediate halt to the mass vaccination program and replacing it by widespread use of antiviral chemoprophylactics while dedicating massive public health resources to scaling early multidrug treaments of Covid-19 disease.



MORE AT https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/c-19-pandemia-quo-vadis-homo-s
apiens


I bring this up to ask a question about vaccine-induced enhanced transmissibility:
Doesn't the same occur BECAUSE OF widespread infection?
Human populations are not passive recipients of viruses. Humans develop immunity to coronavirus spike proteins DURING a pandemic, even in the absence of a vaccine. The virus itself changes its own environment, propelling it towards greater transmissibility even in the absence of vaccines.

Every effort to control an infection or a pest... indeed, ANY unwanted organism ... leads to resistance. And in the case of a pandemic, as each infected individual mounts their own defenses, the chances of a resistant variant increases.
Practically speaking, the current infectious Delta variant emerged in INDIA in the absence of a widespread vaccination program

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The possible companion article is this

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India's Ivermectin Blackout
as cited on Zerodhedge, original article linked here

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Ivermectin Wins in India

News of India's defeat of the Delta variant should be common knowledge. It is just about as obvious as the nose on one's face. It is so clear when one looks at the graphs that no one can deny it.



https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/indias-ivermectin-b
lackout/article_e3db8f46-f942-11eb-9eea-77d5e2519364.html


The article provides some less-than-compelling evidence of ivermectin's success by comparing India's sharp drop in delta variant cases and deaths, and its case and death rates to that of the USA, crediting ivemectin with India's "success". However, I take these indicators with a grain of salt because (1) nations with delta variant epidemics experience similae rapid drops in infections and cases, and (2) in terms of absolute case and death rates, India has a significant under-reporting problem because of overall poverty and the chaos and corruption of its healthcare sector. I find the comparisons between one Indian state (eg Uttar Pradesh using ivermectin v Tamil Nadu using vaccination) to be more persuasive.
But regardless of the actual success (or lack) of ivermectin in preventing/treating Covid-19, doesn't the same argument hold?
That wiespread use of ANY control measure will lead to the development of a resistant strain of SARS-Cov2, especially since the SAR virus is so prone to mutation, just as widespread use of HCQ led to resistant malaria?

This isnot to say that we shouldn't use whatever control measures are available, but we should also recogie that the mutable SARS=Cov2 virus will eventually escape virtually ANY control measure we place on it, except maybe N95 masks.

I therefore find the argu

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Saturday, August 14, 2021 9:39 PM

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Saturday, August 14, 2021 9:52 PM


Signy, I agree. If you look at all the variants out there, including delta, they arose out of unvaccinated populations.

Anyway, on the topic of outbreaks, resistant strains, and vaccinations, I think agriculture could teach us a thing or three. Looking at agricultural practices to counter epidemics, they often include culling - and sometimes added to a quarantine or cordon sanitaire - usually because there's no available vaccine. But we generally don't do that with people.

February 10, 2020
Vietnam culls tens of thousands birds to contain H5N6 outbreak
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-vietnam-birdflu-idUSKBN204150

October 19, 2018
China culls 200,000 pigs due to African swine fever - official
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-swinefever-culling-idUSKCN1MT
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January 26, 2021
Bird Flu in Sweden: Culling of 1.3 Million Chickens
https://www.medindia.net/news/bird-flu-in-sweden-culling-of-13-million
-chickens-199570-1.htm


Sometimes culling and a quarantine or a 'cordon sanitaire' are combined.

In 2001, an outbreak of hoof-and-mouth disease threatened the meat
https://www.solutioninn.com/in-2001-an-outbreak-of-hoofandmouth-diseas
e-threatened-the-meat-supply




When a rabies outbreak in raccoons started spreading northward from Georgia; and a rabies outbreak in coyotes started spreading northward from Mexico; mass vaccination was used to stop them (using air-dropped animal-species and rabies strain-specific oral rabies vaccines).



Vaccines are commonly used to prevent disease outbreaks in livestock and poultry operations.
https://www.msdvetmanual.com/poultry/nutrition-and-management-poultry/
vaccination-programs-in-poultry

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7348623/
https://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_health/nahms/beefcowcalf/downloads/b
eef0708/Beef0708_is_GenVacc_1.pdf




As far as I know, there have been no reports of outbreaks due vaccine-resistant strains, despite decades of using vaccines to prevent economic loss (as opposed to loss from disease). In any case, I think vaccination of livestock and poultry would make terrific epidemiological models to study.

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Saturday, August 14, 2021 10:09 PM

They've never gotten rid of the flu or the common cold.

Like I said from day one, everybody in the world will get Covid.

The lucky ones will be the people who got the original virus and built up a natural immunity to any variants.

People who got vaccinated are fucked.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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Saturday, August 14, 2021 11:27 PM

The Delta variant is already more like the common cold. The lucky ones will catch the highly transmissible but less-deadly version.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

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Tuesday, August 17, 2021 7:15 AM


The question has come up as to whether or not long-COVID is static or progressive. I've done an initial look-through, and haven't found anyone addressing the question. But I'll continue looking.

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Tuesday, August 17, 2021 6:45 PM



NYTimes

United States ›
Avg. on Aug. 5 14-day change
New cases 100,199 +119% cases trajectory last two weeks
New deaths 439 +74% deaths trajectory last two weeks


United States ›
Avg. on Aug. 7 14-day change
New cases 108,513 +111% cases trajectory last two weeks
New deaths 506 +89% deaths trajectory last two weeks


United States ›
Avg. on Aug. 8 14-day change
New cases 110,360 +112% cases trajectory last two weeks
New deaths 516 +92% deaths trajectory last two weeks


United States ›
Avg. on Aug. 10 14-day change
New cases 118,067 +86% cases trajectory last two weeks
New deaths 608 +102% deaths trajectory last two weeks


United States ›
Avg. on Aug. 12 14-day change
New cases 125,894 +76% cases trajectory last two weeks
New deaths 616 +92% deaths trajectory last two weeks



United States ›
Avg. on Aug. 13 14-day change
New cases 128,537 +66% cases trajectory last two weeks
New deaths 651 +116% deaths trajectory last two weeks


United States ›
Avg. on Aug. 16 14-day change
New cases 141,365 +64% cases trajectory last two weeks
New deaths 704 +106% deaths trajectory last two weeks

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Saturday, August 21, 2021 10:26 PM


So what's going on with Israel?

Israel has 3 extremely sharp COVID-19 peaks so far.

6276 cases/ 7 days Sep 27 2020
39 deaths / 7 days Oct 15 2020
CFR 0.62

8190 cases/ 7 days Jan 15 2021
65 deaths / 7 days Jan 25 2021
CFR 0.79

6991 cases/ 7 days Aug 21 2021
5923 cases/ 7 days Aug 9 2021
21 deaths / 7 days Aug 21 2021
CFR 0.35

Pfizer mass vaccination: Jan 1 - March 31 2021
Most eligible people were vaccinated 5-8 months ago, reaching a peak for the first vaccination wave of 57% of the total population.

Israel's vax eligibility age limit was 16, and about 25% of its population is under 16. So about 25% are unvaxed due to age, and by calculation about 18% are eligible unvaxed. So current cases are probably skewed to the young; and deaths have a 'youth discount'.

With that in mind, the current CFR at roughly half the previous CFR may be in part due to an age discount and not vaccination status.

Obviously these are 'back of the envelope' calculations; I'm sure the Israeli government has exact figures.

That might be why Israel is giving out booster shots. Vax effectiveness against death isn't as robust as they supposed.

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Saturday, August 21, 2021 11:18 PM



NYTimes

United States ›
Avg. on Aug. 5 14-day change
New cases 100,199 +119% cases trajectory last two weeks
New deaths 439 +74% deaths trajectory last two weeks


United States ›
Avg. on Aug. 7 14-day change
New cases 108,513 +111% cases trajectory last two weeks
New deaths 506 +89% deaths trajectory last two weeks


United States ›
Avg. on Aug. 8 14-day change
New cases 110,360 +112% cases trajectory last two weeks
New deaths 516 +92% deaths trajectory last two weeks


United States ›
Avg. on Aug. 10 14-day change
New cases 118,067 +86% cases trajectory last two weeks
New deaths 608 +102% deaths trajectory last two weeks


United States ›
Avg. on Aug. 12 14-day change
New cases 125,894 +76% cases trajectory last two weeks
New deaths 616 +92% deaths trajectory last two weeks



United States ›
Avg. on Aug. 13 14-day change
New cases 128,537 +66% cases trajectory last two weeks
New deaths 651 +116% deaths trajectory last two weeks


United States ›
Avg. on Aug. 16 14-day change
New cases 141,365 +64% cases trajectory last two weeks
New deaths 704 +106% deaths trajectory last two weeks


United States ›
Avg. on Aug. 20 14-day change
New cases 145,913 +37% cases trajectory last two weeks
New deaths 975 +96% deaths trajectory last two weeks

'New cases' peaked at about +119%. 'New deaths' peaked at about +116%. I'm not seeing any indication that the delta variant comes with a CFR discount. While both cases and infections are both still rising, cases is rising at a much slower rate, so the delta inflection point is in the past. Death appears to be slowing down, but the data is noisier, so it's too equivocal to definitively tell.

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