Some Covid-19 thoughts
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The head of Florida’s largest hospital association warned that the skyrocketing number of Covid hospitalizations is unlike anything the state has seen before — even as Gov. Ron DeSantis downplays the spike
JO: I almost hope it gets so bad there that peepl finally get angry enuf to go after idiots like him and trump. A good old fashioned torch & pich fork wielding mob uv townzpeeple storming DeSantisiz hows and Mara Lago.
I'v updated the ZOL paje http://www.zolkorp.com/UVMaSK.htm
I'm starting to think we're going to looz the war. Nobody iz taking this seriously enuf.
The peepl with their handz on the controlz uv our sivilization are notably unimajinativ, so cant see beyond the normal ruteen. They are still applying bizness-az-usual lojik to this, wile the virus iz dilijently working on wayz to defeat our defensez.
1) What "war" is this?
I'm assuming he's talking about the never-ending war they've put us in with nature.
Short of that, he's talking about the war that we're in for our ability to make choices for ourselves. JO's on the wrong side of that war. He doesn't want to make any choices for himself anymore.
As smart as he is, he's acting like a big fuckin' dumb kid.
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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."
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6IXSTRINGJACK:
Seriously though.
Come try and give me a vaccine. Right on my doorstep.
See what happens to you.
SIGNY: You're just spoiling for a fight, aren't you?
1) Fighting on your doorstep isn't going to do any good.
SIX: Maybe not. But it sure will ruin somebody's day and (hopefully) make them think twice about doing that again to somebody else.
SIGNY: 2) Out of all of the things to get exercised about, a vaccination seems on the lower end of priorities.
SIX: Your problem is that you still think this is only about vaccination.
YOUR problem is, you think everyone is stupid unless they reflexively turn everything "they" say 180deg around. But that's as mistaken as believing everything "they" say. In both cases, your thinking is defined by what "they" say.
"They" don't need a pandemic to stampede people into compliance. If they don't have a real event to weaponize (911) they'll make one up (RUSSIA!RUSSIA!).
"Never let a good crisis go to waste" - Rahm Emanuel (Barack Obama's former Chief of Staff)
But just because they're good at weaponizing events and turning them into crises - or even whipping them up out of thin air - doesn't mean that events, or even crises, don't exist. The problem is separating out the (few) grains of wheat from the (much) chaff thrown into the wind. If you want to know what's REALLY going on, you have to insist on EVIDENCE. REAL evidence. And blanket denial isn't evidence. Neither is fear-mongering, and you're doing both.
The pandemic is just one tiny instance of our fascist - and I mean truly fascist- corporate/centralized/globalist's drive to control everything.
Focusing on vaccinations is not only self-defeating (bc you will drive away potential allies who have real reason to worry about getting sick with Covid-19, such as myself) ....
You will fail to see the truly awful scope of what's being done, which should horrify anyone at this point, if they've been paying attention.
Forest and trees, yanno?
You're fighting the wrong fight. It's like the anti-war protesters who put so much effort into demonstrating in 1968. By 1975 they had turned into corporate droids. Don't turn everyone who is concerned about Covid-19 into an enemy because 1) we have real reason to be concerned by being in a vulnerable population and 2) you'll drive away people who fundamentally agree with you.
This is not the hill to die on, and even if you manage to win your quixotic fight against vaccines and masks (and any other measure of self-protection!) nothing else will have fundamentally changed.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.
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BTW, if you want to know what I think are THE critical issues, they are
The current absolute control of all means of communication by corporate oligopolies and the security state. JO didn't get to his point of paranoia all by himself, he got there bc it was banged into his head 24/7/365 for four years. In a democracy, where people have the right to vote, one of the ways that TPTB stay in power is by manipulating information that reaches the voters.
The totally insecure and corrupted voting system. When disinformation and propaganda fail, you can always rig the vote.
ANY international agreement -free trade or otherwise- that takes away the sovereign rights of our nation.
This is how power is taken out of people's hands, even in a so-called democracy.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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I get what you're saying, and I won't tell you that you're wrong.
But I disagree that you're any more informed than I am. Your "evidence" is sus, because it comes from places and people who have lied before and will lie again.
I want something to believe in. But who? Where? How can any rational person believe anything that anybody tells them in 2021?
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But wait... There's more... STEP 4
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/04/opinions/de-blasio-require-vaccines-fil
ipovic/index.html
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In New York City, Mayor Bill de Blasio correctly said masking is a secondary concern
when "the whole ball game is vaccination." And he is acting on it, announcing Tuesday
that the city will require proof of vaccination in the form of a health pass for entrance into
gyms, restaurants, and indoor entertainment venues. The city will begin enforcing the program
-- the first of its kind in a US city -- on September 13, he said.
It's a necessary and overdue step. But why aren't more cities and states taking it? And more
importantly: Why isn't President Joe Biden?
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The latest example is New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, who on Monday said that he is asking
private restaurants and bars to require proof of vaccination for entry. He's right -- they
should. But why place the burden of creating sensible public health mandates on private
businesses? Cuomo is, after all, the governor. If he believes, as he says, that it is in the
"best interests" of these businesses -- and ostensibly the public -- to have inessential
indoor events reserved for the vaccinated, why not make that the policy of New York state?
I can't even finish this article. It's so fucking bad.
That's a rarity. I can even make it through most Vox and Salon articles I read.
At least they're usually unintentionally funny.
This dumb bitch actually thinks that calling them "health passes" instead of "vaccine passports" will
make them work.
I bet this no-doubt-woke-as-fuck-dummy doesn't even realize that what she's suggestion means
that almost no black people in New York would have any freedoms at all if it came true.
Or maybe she does and she doesn't care. Democrats are racists after all.
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https://www.bloombergquint.com/gadfly/as-delta-spreads-covid-vaccine-m
andates-are-an-urgent-necessity
Keep pretending I'm making this stuff up.Quote:
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One blowhard mouthing off on a channel that even you say gets no viewers ...
... this is just more of an attempt to stampede people, to "manufacture consent" as the phrase goes.
I'd wait to see if the idea was getting traction anywhere important before I figured it was a sealed fate.
BELOW: NOT one blowhard from CNN.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/07/31/cdc_director_walens
ky_on_vaccine_mandate_thats_something_the_administration_is_looking_into.htmlQuote:
Walensky on vaccine mandates: "You know, that's something that I think the administration is looking into. It's something that I think we're looking to see approval from the vaccine. Overall, I think, in general, I am all for more vaccination. But I have nothing further to say on that, except that we're looking into those policies."
"As that science evolves, I evolve, with our -- with the CDC, the guidance," Walensky said. "What I will say is, I continue to be humbled by this virus. I have no interest in continuing mask guidance. And the best way to stop a new variant from spreading is to have less virus out there."
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Your "evidence" is sus, because it comes from places and people who have lied before and will lie again.
Are you saying you think that every bit of evidence is suspect that comes from every country on the planet, researchers, doctors, and hospitals around the globe, and even ordinary people who talk to each other about dead family members (people who've talked to me, for example) - that everyone who says COVID-19 is real and kills people - are banded together in one giant conspiracy to fabricate nothing into something?
I hope you have enough oars in the water to understand the difference between government pronouncements backed up by ZERO evidence - like for example Iraq WMD, and how RUSSIA!!! RUSSIA!!! RUSSIA!!! done doed every little and big thing possible since 2016 - and evidence about COVID-19 coming from everywhere.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Your "evidence" is sus, because it comes from places and people who have lied before and will lie again.
Are you saying you think that every bit of evidence is suspect that comes from every country on the planet, researchers, doctors, and hospitals around the globe, and even ordinary people who talk to each other about dead family members (people who've talked to me, for example) - that everyone who says COVID-19 is real and kills people - are banded together in one giant conspiracy to fabricate nothing into something?
Did you read all of their research personally, or are you reading what the CDC, WHO and John Hopkins tells you are in there?
Have you done any research on whether or not any of that data or those studies are legit science and not politically or monetarily motivated?
Everybody in those organizations has been lying to us about things like where the virus came from since the beginning.
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I hope you have enough oars in the water to understand the difference between government pronouncements backed up by ZERO evidence - like for example Iraq WMD, and how RUSSIA!!! RUSSIA!!! RUSSIA!!! done doed every little and big thing possible since 2016 - and evidence about COVID-19 coming from everywhere.
There's not much of a difference.
Not when the US has a dollar tied to Oil and has printing presses running 24/7 and we're giving money to almost everybody else in the world with very little oversight and zero chance anybody is ever going to trace it all.
Has Covid-19 really made you forget about US Imperialism, multi-national corporations that have no loyalty to the US or the US Constitution, or the fact that we're essentially a one-world government at this point with just enough autonomy to give the illusion that this isn't already the case?
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vaccinated against Covid-19 OR be frequently tested
mask guidance
colleges demand that students, faculty and staff have their shots
Corporate America (Google) is beginning to follow suit (for those returning to the workplace rather than working from home)
universal vaccine mandates at hospitals, clinics and other health-care settings
Well - AHEM ! - as mentioned previously, employers have the right to demand employees do anything legal as a condition of employment. I'm not saying I support it, but it's a bit hard for me to be outraged about a ship that sailed over 30 years ago.
And schools have always required a certain level of vaccination for attendance. Again, I'm not saying I'm for it in this case, but unless laws are changed substantially, this is a done deal.
Federal workers have a choice - vaccine OR testing.
Finally, healthcare is one area where I might support universal vaccination. One should recognize that the population potentially being exposed is already extremely vulnerable, and that they're in a situation about which they don't have a choice.
But I would think that before vaccination, N95 masks should be a requirement.
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Quote:YES, I read original research to form my opinions, and not stories ABOUT research. I make a point of tracking down original research for important events. And while I haven't read ALL research, I've read hundreds of research papers to date.
Did you readof their research personally
Quote:NO. I don't want to read stories ABOUT research, I want to read research, and I seek it out, and fault stories that don't link it. Honest reporting should always include links to original information.
or are you reading what the CDC, WHO and John Hopkins tells you are in there?
Quote:It's like global warming. If you don't understand the basic science, you can imagine that there is all sorts of nefarious misinformation, instead of what is in reality well-demonstrated fact. And yes, I know enough to separate out the BS from the legit.
Have you done any research on whether or not any of that data or those studies are legit science and not politically or monetarily motivated?
Quote:Where the virus really came from is still an unknown. Just FYI. And nobody is on the same page, like they would be if they were in a grand conspiracy.
Everybody in those organizations has been lying to us about things like where the virus came from since the beginning.
Quote:Well - not EVERY country is financially tied to the US (City of London). Not Russia, or China, or Vietnam, or Cuba, or Venezuela, or Burundi, or ... and the US is certainly not spreading around enough to buy every research group. every hospital, every health care worker, every news service, every government, and private citizens by the thousands of millions around the globe.
... the US has a dollar tied to Oil and has printing presses running 24/7 and we're giving money to almost everybody else in the world with very little oversight and zero chance anybody is ever going to trace it all.
Quote:You confuse "the west" with the entire planet. Believe it or not, there are whole countries not enmeshed with "the west".
Has Covid-19 really made you forget about US Imperialism, multi-national corporations that have no loyalty to the US or the US Constitution, or the fact that we're essentially a one-world government at this point with just enough autonomy to give the illusion that this isn't already the case?
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KIKI doesn't get her "info" from Memeology 101 - which I personally find is not any better (as a source of data) than the cartoons that THUGR posts. It's just really highly filtered opinion.
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China just closed down Beijing because of this "hoax" that you keep insisting on.
If you recall, it was China going thru the expense and effort of building large, "instant hospitals" in Wuhan that - for me - was the "tipping point" between "is this really something, or is this nothing?" Whether they were really a functional response to the virus or a giant publicity stunt didn't matter, because they were responding to SOMETHING that was roiling Wuhan and sickening/killing people.
It is really something. Iran, China, Russia, N Korea, Cuba ... nations for whom no love is lost between them and "the west", and who have absolutely NO interest in being, or appearing to be, weak- economically, socially, politically, heathcare-wise - are ALL responding to this "hoax" in one way or another. If it were truly a "hoax", they wouldn't be participating bc it would only make them look weak.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.
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