new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China
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Quote:Well, here's the thing. What is your personal chance of getting rabies? Pretty small I'd say! Yet rabies is a required pet vaccine in Indiana, no exceptions allowed. https://www.in.gov/rabies/pet-vaccination-laws/
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm not anti-any one of those vaccines.
I've already fucking told you this.
Go read through my old posts. I'm not repeating myself.
And your personal chance of getting smallpox? Zero, considering it's been wiped off the face of the planet.
What is your personal risk of getting hepatitis A or B; or diphtheria, tetanus, or whooping cough; or measles, mumps or rubella; or polio; or chickenpox; or meningococcus? Yet ALL of those are required in Indiana for children to go to school. https://www.in.gov/health/immunization/files/2021-2022-School-Immuniza
tion-Requirements-ENGLISH-Final-July2021.pdf
So, if you're really not anti-vax and you don't care about all those other vaccines - especially the mandated ones - why do you care so much about SARS-CoV-2?
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:Well, here's the thing. What is your personal chance of getting rabies? Pretty small I'd say! Yet rabies is a required pet vaccine in Indiana, no exceptions allowed. https://www.in.gov/rabies/pet-vaccination-laws/
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm not anti-any one of those vaccines.
I've already fucking told you this.
Go read through my old posts. I'm not repeating myself.
And your personal chance of getting smallpox? Zero, considering it's been wiped off the face of the planet.
What is your personal risk of getting hepatitis A or B; or diphtheria, tetanus, or whooping cough; or measles, mumps or rubella; or polio; or chickenpox; or meningococcus? Yet ALL of those are required in Indiana for children to go to school. https://www.in.gov/health/immunization/files/2021-2022-School-Immuniza
tion-Requirements-ENGLISH-Final-July2021.pdf
So, if you're really not anti-vax and you don't care about all those other vaccines - especially the mandated ones - why do you care so much about SARS-CoV-2?
I just told sigs to fuck off for asking the same question I've already answered repeatedly.
I've already posted it. Multiple times.
Go fetch if you want the answer, otherwise fuck off.
You're relatively healthy Maybe you'll live long enough to find out why.
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Basically, if it doesn't affect you, you don't care. I think I already got that about you.
You're in an interesting conundrum. WHAT IF you can't get a job because you won't get vaccinated? That really puts a kink in your plans for long-term survival. I know you can live cheaply, but somewhere along the line you need a minimum of money coming in. Maybe you should try to invent a disability to cheat your way onto a permanent government teat.
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So, I check in with Divoc-91 from time to time to try and separate out the hoopla from the truth.
Altho the USA cases have risen SHARPLY in the past three weeks (rising from appx 3 up to 13 per day per 100,000, and still not peaked. BTW compared to a peak of appx 78 at 6 months ago.) DEATHS stay flat. And we're (just) beyond the normal "lag time" from cases> deaths, altho I will keep checking to make sure that deaths are still flat over the next weeks/months.
According to CDC, 80% of people over 65 are fully vaccinated, and 90% have had at least one shot. So altho we may see a HUGE number of cases, and SOME deaths among the unvaccinated young and the vaccinated elderly poo,I don't expect to see a huge number of deaths like before.
Unless one of the truly deadly variants comes along. (There is a variant, I forget which greek letter, that has a case fatality rate of 10%. But it's very, very rare. There seems to be a viral trade-off between deadliness v transmissibility.)
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I posted this under "thoughts" but I really think it belongs here
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So, following what you posted, KIKI: If getting vaccinated DOESN'T reduce tranmission (because vaccines are active in deep tissue as opposed to peripheral tissue like nose) then is there is a reason to push for vaccines population-wide?
Because a vaccination program won't stop the spread of Covid, right? But it will stop serious illness and death (for the most part)?
If that's the case, how does the measles vaccine (for example) work to stop epidemics? Doesn't the same logic apply? Or does the measles vaccine just make transmission invisible/inconsequential?
I need a primer on that.
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Also, another question, if you may: Once you get infected for real, by the peripheral route, does that mean that you now have a long-term immune response in your periperal tissues as well? (At least, to that particular variant?)
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So, tell me where I'm wrong: If people get vaccinated (which offers protection against serious illness and death) and THEN get exposed to the real deal and have to fend it off one way or another, either asymptomatically ... or not ... isn't that kind of the IDEAL way to create longer-lasting, more complete immunity?
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I'll repost my answer here, then:
I had to look that up because I didn't know.
Measles is interesting immunologically-speaking.
Either infection or vaccination with killed or weakened (attenuated) virus triggers an initial IgM immune response (as is true of infections in general) and an eventual IgG immune response that prevents or reduces disease (ie symptoms) and spread.
https://www.health.qld.gov.au/news-events/news/what-is-measles-why-vac
cinate
"The measles vaccine prevents almost all cases of severe disease."
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2019/11/skipping-measles-v
accine-tied-triple-risk-disease-spread
"unvaccinated people are about three to four times more infectious than those with measles who have gotten one or two doses"
The vaccine also triggers a long-term cell-mediated immunity.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26597262/
"analyses showed low levels of spot-forming cells after stimulation, suggesting the presence of T-cell memory"
It looks like either previous natural infection or vaccination doesn't prevent infection, but does limit disease severity and spread.
The measles vaccine is based on inactivated virus. Maybe that creates a more complete response to the various external proteins of the virus.
The OTHER thing that measles infection does is that it wipes out most of your previously-developed immunity to other viral and bacterial diseases, as measured by IgG antibody levels. But vaccination doesn't do that.
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2019/10/how-measles-wipes-out-t
he-bodys-immune-memory/
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Quote:Well, having looked that up, in general one does indeed have a secreted IgA immune response! https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3001129/ I'm not sure how long-lasting it is, though. Also remember about 1/ 700 people have selective IgA deficiency and have no IgA response at all. https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/immunoglob
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Also, another question, if you may: Once you get infected for real, by the peripheral route, does that mean that you now have a long-term immune response in your (peripheral) tissues as well? (At least, to that particular variant?)
ulin-a-deficiency
Here's some general information about IgA deficiency https://primaryimmune.org/about-primary-immunodeficiencies/specific-di
sease-types/selective-iga-deficiency/
Quote:I've always thought so! To me the ideal sequence would be 1) giving injectable vaccines of a mix of pure substances that trigger neutralizing antibodies. Here's an interesting factoid - people who mix SARS-CoV-2 vaccines from different manufacturers have a more protective immune response. 2) giving whole killed pathogen vaccines 3) giving injectable attenuated pathogen vaccines OR surface-applied vaccines. Here's another interesting factoid - the original flu vaccine was developed to be administered intranasally, as a small amount of liquid into the nostrils.
So, tell me where I'm wrong: If people get vaccinated (which offers protection against serious illness and death) and THEN get exposed to the real deal and have to fend it off one way or another, either asymptomatically ... or not ... isn't that kind of the IDEAL way to create longer-lasting, more complete immunity?
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... maybe this interesting graphic will come thru here. Hospitalizations is a more reliable metric than cases. What would make it even more meaningful is a time series of these graphs (which the NYTimes isn't going to do), and what would be even more helpful than that would be a time series of reverse highlighted 2nd color of 3-week-ago vaccinations along with hospitalizations.
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Two interesting related articles, but I have to post them quick and comment later bc phone is STILL crashing. Multiple illegal blocked requests from Twitter maybe DOS attack bc only on this site.
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Israel sees drop in Pfizer vaccine protection against infections
Reuters
July 6, 2021
JERUSALEM, July 5 (Reuters) - Israel reported on Monday a decrease in the effectiveness of the Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine in preventing infections and symptomatic illness but said it remained highly effective in preventing serious illness.
The decline coincided with the spread of the Delta variant and the end of social distancing restrictions in Israel.
Vaccine effectiveness in preventing both infection and symptomatic disease fell to 64% since June 6, the Health Ministry said. At the same time the vaccine was 93% effective in preventing hospitalizations and serious illness from the coronavirus.
The ministry in its statement did not say what the previous level was or provide any further details. However ministry officials published a report in May that two doses of Pfizer's vaccine provided more than 95% protection against infection, hospitalization and severe illness.
A Pfizer spokesperson declined to comment on the data from Israel, but cited other research showing that antibodies elicited by the vaccine were still able to neutralize all tested variants, including Delta, albeit at reduced strength.
About 60% of Israel's 9.3 million population have received at least one shot of Pfizer's vaccine in a campaign that saw daily cases drop from more than 10,000 in January to single digits last month.
This spurred Israel to drop nearly all social distancing as well as the requirement to wear masks, though the latter was partially reimposed in recent days. At the same time Delta, which has become a globally dominant variant of the coronavirus, began to spread.
Since then daily cases have gradually risen, reaching 343 on Sunday. The number of seriously ill rose to 35 from 21.
Data scientist Eran Segal of Israel's Weizmann Institute of Science said the country was unlikely to experience the high levels of hospitalizations seen earlier in the year since there were much fewer critically ill.
He said it was fine to "continue with life back to normal and without restrictions" while stepping up measures like vaccination outreach and ensuring testing for Israelis returning home from abroad.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-sees-drop-pfizer-vacc
ine-protection-against-infections-still-strong-2021-07-05/
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