new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China
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Spent some time looking into vaccines and the delta variant.
There was a study in Israel which seems to show that Pfizer protects against hospitalizations and deaths, but not so much against infection.
There was a study in Britain which (according to Chris Martenson) seems to indicate that vaccine for over-50 INCREASES the chance of hospitalizations and deaths, but I think he misinterpreted the data, not taking into account the fact that the study population was already selected bc they had presented to the ER, not a population-wide study. According to him the delta variant has a low case fatality rate, and he seems to think this is bc the delta/India variant (altho 50% more transmissible than the alpha/UK variant, which itself is 50% more transmissible than the original) is more benign, but if he excluded the vaccinated from consideration he didn't say so, so it could simply be that the vaccine is working.
And then there are the hand-wringers who like to point out that nations with the highest vaccination rate have the highest infection rate (what about deaths?), implying that vaccinations cause infections. But they're drawing a causal connection *B caused by A, when the reality is that people may be significantly more relaxed about exposure after a vaccination campaign - I see that here - and even in nations with "high" vaccination rates, we're still talking only 60% (Israel, compared to 48% USA) leaving 40% of the nation un-vaccinated and vulnerable to infection.
And finally, the vaccine-makers were insistent until a month ago that the vaccine would be protective against the delta (and other) variants, but now they're changing their tune bc they want to sell "booster" shots.
And then there is the anecdote that "the only people in hospital in the USA who are dying are the unvaccinated".
There seems to be an awful lot of spin on whatever info is out there. The best I can conclude is that the vaccination (mostly) protects against serious illness and death. I personally still intend to wear my N95 while shopping, but feel reassured that even if I get sick it won't be fatal.
AFA whether "everyone" should get the vaccine ... at this point, I don't see a reason for a poulation-wide effort. If your personal risk, an the risk factors of those you take care of, is high (and that included medical personnel and elder carers) then you should get vaccinated.
But if you're under 50, not obese, aren't taking care of (a) vulnerable (person) people, and don't have high occupational exposure ... why bother? In fact.... PARTY ON!
The faster everyone gets vaccinated- OR SICK -the faster we reach herd immunity. And once the vulnerable are protected, then the less-vulnerable should go to their nearest bar and shout into each other's faces as often as possible.
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Thanks Sigs. That's what I've been saying.
Glad to have you on board.
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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.
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Quote:SIX, I'm basing this in the fact that self-protection in the form of a vaccine is now widely available.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Thanks Sigs. That's what I've been saying.
Glad to have you on board.
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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.
You, OTOH, are anti-vaccine, anti-mask, anti-fact, and anti-science. I'm not onboard with that, and will never be.
If a variant should come along for which the vaccine doesn't work, and which has a significant case fatality rate for a certain segment of people, then we will have to revert to masking for the vulnerable, with N95s, at the the very least. And if something comes along that REALLY nails people, well, then ... ya gotta do whatcha gotta do.
I personally intend to stock up on N95s. Viral evolution never stops, and they may come in handy again, like they came in handy before. Also, the government should be makingsure that we have sufficient manufacturing capacity of PPEs... which I'm sure had dropped off the radar.
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Your "pro-science" people consistently lie to you and never factor in natural immunity toward the herd immunity goal.
Your "pro-science" people are injecting kids with mystery cocktails and they don't even need it.
They'd better be right that the lab rats who took the vaccine won't ever suffer any long term ill effects, or that's a lot of kids that are going to be messed up for life when they never had any reason to be.
Most of them, without their consent.
These kids can choose to be a different gender at 5 years old, but they can't say no to being a test subject for Big Pharma.
That's Our World in 2021.
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There's "science", and then there's science.
I'm not following some twat who belongs to the priesthood. I thought you knew me better than that.
Unlike JO, I really do follow evidence, even if it cuts across some cherished ideal or ideology.
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Sadly, many people feel the need to create instant narratives that they invest all their beliefs in, and then cling to them even when new facts emerge.
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Quote:Every time your "points" get debunked you either retreat into denial or you find YET ANOTHER reason to wring your hands and cry wolf!
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Your "pro-science" people consistently lie to you and never factor in natural immunity toward the herd immunity goal.
Your "pro-science" people are injecting kids with mystery cocktails and they don't even need it.
They'd better be right that the lab rats who took the vaccine won't ever suffer any long term ill effects, or that's a lot of kids that are going to be messed up for life when they never had any reason to be.
Most of them, without their consent.
These kids can choose to be a different gender at 5 years old, but they can't say no to being a test subject for Big Pharma.
That's Our World in 2021.
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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.
First you wanted old people to die. Then you said the virus was "nothing". Then you were against lockdowns. Then you were against MASKING. Then you were against vaccines. Now you're wringing your hands " Think of the CHILDREN! "
NOBODY IS MANDATING VACCINES FOR CHILDREN.
If you're going get tweaked about something, at least make it about something real. (I would say the same to JO)
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Every time your "points" get debunked you either retreat into denial or you find YET ANOTHER reason to wring your hands and cry wolf!
I don't retreat. I deny your misinformation and parroting of Legacy Media lies on the subject, all while laughing at the fact that two normally rational people change their entire way of thinking about things on this particular issue. For some reason, for you and Kiki, there ARE weapons of mass destruction in Iraq this time.
They're crying wolf, and you're being duped.
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First you wanted old people to die.
No I didn't. You're oversimplifying that issue because it suits your argument now.
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Then you said the virus was "nothing".
The virus IS nothing.
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Then you were against lockdowns. Then you were against MASKING.
I was against masking FIRST. Then I was against lockdowns. Because that's the order they came up.
I still am.
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Then you were against vaccines.
Yes. I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I'm anti THIS vaccine.
You already know why.
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Now you're wringing your hands " Think of the CHILDREN! "
NOBODY IS MANDATING VACCINES FOR CHILDREN.
Yes. They are.
And this time "for the children" actually means something. You're sticking shit in their arm that was never tested because you're scared.
Aside from the mental problems you've ensured many of the children will have growing up by ripping them from their lives for a year, Covid was harmless to them before.
Not anymore. If anything goes south with that untested vaccine, there is no reset button for them now. And unless it outright kills them, they have a very long life to live with those consequences where you only have a decade or two to do the same.
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If you're going get tweaked about something, at least make it about something real. (I would say the same to JO)
It's all very real.
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https://universitybusiness.com/state-by-state-look-at-colleges-requiri
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/13/health/covid-19-vaccine-requirements-sc
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We haven't reached the point yet where they start mandating them here (on a government level)... If you want to go to college or get a job, that's a different story in many places in the country though.
But with Biden* accusing Facebook of Murder by not completely shutting down free speech immediately, it won't be long.
School is right around the corner. We'll revisit this issue in a month or so. Biden can't even get 50% of the 70% of vaccinated people he promised by July 4th because nobody else wants it. Forcing schools to force the kids to get the shots could be a great way to boost the numbers...
Or start a war.
In New Zealand, they already said they're going to hunt the unvaccinated down and force them to get the shot.
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My little cunt of a brother on the East Coast had the nerve to put on the bottom of invites for my nieces 1st birthday that if you aren't vaccinated, don't bother coming.
I've never seen my niece because of all of this bullshit. There's a fairly good chance that I won't ever see her because of this.
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