Competitive Victimhood

POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Tuesday, July 6, 2021 16:35
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SIGNYM

Saturday, July 3, 2021 8:50 PM

I've edited the article to eliminate the parts I disagree with in order to focus on what I believe is the main point, and to not get sidetracked into diversionary arguments. One big point that I disagree with is the author's assigning causality of the mindset of competitive victimhood to Jews, whereas I believe that Jews make a good EXAMPLE of competitive victimhood, but aren't the root cause (except in Israel).

So when the author writes "Jews", I substitute "Jews*" or [outgroup] with the idea that "Jews*" also includes blacks, women, LGBTQX, youth, elderly, illegals, and ANYONE who yearns to claim the title of "victim" in order to get the presumed rewards.

Also, the article is repetitious, so I've eliminated a lot of redundancy.

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Jews* and Competitive Victimhood
Brenton Sanderson
... Jews* have assiduously (and successfully) cultivated the notion they have always been, and remain, a cruelly-persecuted victim group deserving of everyone’s profound sympathy. The “Holocaust” narrative has, of course, been central to this endeavor. The ... virtues of racial diversity and multiculturalism has been erected on the moral foundations of “the Holocaust.” White people cannot be recognized as a group with interests because “never again.” Western nations have a moral obligation to accept unlimited non-White immigration because “never again.” Whites should meekly accept their deliberate displacement (and ultimate extinction) because “never again.”

Numerous studies have demonstrated the power that can accrue to individuals and groups who successfully cultivate their status as victims and underdogs. Social psychologists have labelled the tendency to see one’s group as having suffered more than an outgroup as “competitive victimhood.” While conflicting groups have engaged in competitive victimhood for centuries, this is largely a modern phenomenon that should be understood against the backdrop of contemporary culture. Friedrich Nietzsche remains the first and best theorist of competitive victimhood, proposing that historical developments in Western culture, ranging from Christianity to the Enlightenment, led to a reversal of values where old notions of “might makes right” were transformed. Today, our knee-jerk reaction to powerful groups is to assume they are immoral and corrupt, while members of victimized groups are assumed to be innocent and morally superior.

The powerful are often corrupt, but labelling yourself a victim often frees you to excuse your own evil.

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Activist [outgroups] are acutely aware of the power of competitive victimhood in contemporary culture, and much of the research into the subject has been carried out in Israel. A study by Schnabel and colleagues found that groups are motivated to engage in competitive victimhood for two reasons: the need for moral identity [ethical cohesion and rationalization] and the need for social power.

With regards to the first motivation, people generally associate victimization with innocence. Therefore, if one’s ingroup ‘wins’ the victim status, it means that it is also perceived as moral. With regards to the second motivation, people generally view victims as entitled for compensation. Therefore, if one’s ingroup ‘wins’ the victim status, it means that it is entitled to various resources such as policies to empower it or higher budgets. Groups struggle over both power (budgets, influence, etc.) and moral identity (i.e., group members typically see themselves as ‘the good guys’ and members of the other group as ‘the bad guys’). This struggle makes them engage in competitive victimhood.[1]

These studies, often framed around the difficulties presented to Israel by the victim status of the Palestinians, shed light on the psychological motivations behind attempts to gain acknowledgement that one’s ingroup has been subjected to more injustice than an adversari

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 3, 2021 11:46 PM

Competitive Victimhood = Oppression Olympics

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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.

SIGNYM

Saturday, July 3, 2021 11:48 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Competitive Victimhood = Oppression Olympics

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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.

Gold medals awarded categorically and collectively to "which self-identified group suffered the most [in the past]".

Points are removed if the entrant has PERSONALLY suffered, because then it sounds less like righteousness and more like whining. Points are also removed for any individual effort at self-betterment.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, July 4, 2021 1:16 AM

Yup.

Here's a math class in our brave new world of CRT and Competitive Victimhood.

Note that this video was made in 2015, by a "POC", before "woke" was part of the American Lexicon.

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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.

JONGSSTRAW

Sunday, July 4, 2021 5:52 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yup.

Here's a math class in our brave new world of CRT and Competitive Victimhood.

Note that this video was made in 2015, by a "POC", before "woke" was part of the American Lexicon.

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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.

lol!

SIGNYM

Sunday, July 4, 2021 7:39 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yup.

Here's a math class in our brave new world of CRT and Competitive Victimhood.

Note that this video was made in 2015, by a "POC", before "woke" was part of the American Lexicon.

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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.

SIX, I don't know where you find these, but they're really funny and ... painfully... spot on.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, July 4, 2021 8:20 AM

That was the "Advanced" math class.

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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, July 4, 2021 8:24 AM

He's got at least a few other good ones from back in 2015. I'll have to check out his new stuff.

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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, July 4, 2021 10:41 AM

We need to get this racist bullshit out of school.

If one good thing came out of the Covid lockdowns it's that parents actually found out what the hell their kids were being brainwashed with.

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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, July 5, 2021 3:44 AM

One of the concepts in this thread sounds like Rooting For The Underdog, which is a frequent habit of mine.

The concept of "Might makes right" sounds a lot like bullying to me. Although millennia of warring, conquering, incessant fighting and dictatorships seems the blueprint.

When I watched Saturday morning cartoons as a kid, all of the villains were businessmen. A rudimentary Libtard substitution for "the powerful" or "powerful group, corporation."

SIGNYM

Monday, July 5, 2021 8:07 AM

JSF: You know I root for the underdog, right?

And I'm pretty aware of when "things" aren't "fair", and I post about it when they happen, right?

I mean, if Palestinians and Libyans and Syrians and Yemenis and women in most of the "global south" aren't "underdogs", then who is?

But you don't escape "underdog" category by whining "It's not fair". OF COURSE it's not fair! TPTB are TPTB bc they TOOK power, unfairly. Do you think whining about it is going to get it back?

What TPTB ARE willing to give out are small favors and privileges (not fairness). That way they can pit one "victim" against other "victims" and still maintain their power.

You might want to re-read both my tagline (about solving problems, not sharing them) and my signature, about "Pity would be no more if we did not MAKE men poor".

We would need neither competitive victimhood nor pity if we didn't make so many victims to begin with.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, July 5, 2021 4:37 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
One of the concepts in this thread sounds like Rooting For The Underdog...

No. No it doesn't.

Sounds suspiciously like something a Libtard might derive from this thread though.

Have you been hacked?

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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, July 5, 2021 4:38 PM

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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, July 6, 2021 6:49 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
JSF: You know I root for the underdog, right?

And I'm pretty aware of when "things" aren't "fair", and I post about it when they happen, right?

I mean, if Palestinians and Libyans and Syrians and Yemenis and women in most of the "global south" aren't "underdogs", then who is?

But you don't escape "underdog" category by whining "It's not fair". OF COURSE it's not fair! TPTB are TPTB bc they TOOK power, unfairly. Do you think whining about it is going to get it back?

What TPTB ARE willing to give out are small favors and privileges (not fairness). That way they can pit one "victim" against other "victims" and still maintain their power.

You might want to re-read both my tagline (about solving problems, not sharing them) and my signature, about "Pity would be no more if we did not MAKE men poor".

We would need neither competitive victimhood nor pity if we didn't make so many victims to begin with.

hmmmmm. You consider Islamofascist terrorist jihadi palestinians to be underdogs.
Spending their entire lives training, hoping, dreaming to kill other humans, just like Germans of a century ago - the modern day Nazis.
Working ferociously toward exterminating the Jewish race, also copying Nazis.
Attacking defenseless civilians with overwhelming force, also copying Nazis.
A mass of barbarians defying the norms of civilization, also copying Nazis.

I always considered Nazis, and Kaiser Wilhelm before them, to be bullies in the story.

Walk like Nazis, quack like Nazis, act like Nazis, sound like Nazis, must make Palestinians the modern day Nazis.

For you to proclaim support for Nazis/Palestinians, terrorists, Islamofascist jihadis, really does explain some things.

I am part German. My grandfather was pure German, hid brothers born in Germany. Their father fled Germany because Kaiser Wilhelm was going to get them into a war. I do not consider Germans to be underdogs, and nobody should consider them so, and neither should the palestine terrorists be.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, July 6, 2021 8:03 AM

I think you're crossing wires again.

How do you always seem to manage doing that JSF?

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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, July 6, 2021 3:33 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
hmmmmm. You consider ~~Islamo~~Judeofascist terrorist ~~jihadi~~ Zionist ~~palestinians~~Israelis to be underdogs.
Spending their entire lives training, hoping, dreaming to kill other humans, just like Germans of a century ago - the modern day Nazis.
Working ferociously toward exterminating the ~~Jewish~~ Palestinian race, with the highest technology and greatest eficiency possible- also copying Nazis.
Attacking defenseless civilians with overwhelming force, also copying Nazis.
A mass of barbarians defying the norms of civilization, also copying Nazis.

I always considered Nazis, and Kaiser Wilhelm before them, to be bullies in the story.

Walk like Nazis, quack like Nazis, act like Nazis, sound like Nazis, must make ~~Palestinians~~ Israelis the modern day Nazis.

blah blah blah ... blah blah blah

The thing that makes Palestinians underdogs is not that their motivation is worse than ... better than ... or in fact any different at all... from Israelis'. It's just the fact they face completely overwhelming technology. And the thing that makes Israelis the bullies is because instead of all of that technology and military force allowing them to feel secure and grant Palestinians peaceful co-existence, they use it to ghetto-izw, and steal land and kill with impunity.

If it was ANYBODY ELSE doing what the Israelis were doing ... If Russians had turned Moldova into giant prison surrounded by walls and checkpoints controlling their power, water, and food and steadily nibbling away at Moldovan land... or the Chinese encroaching on Vietnam, the Venezuelans taking over Puerto Rico... your head would blow up and splatter the ceiling. But Israelis get a "pass" on brutal policy because "Never again"?

Your moral compass is broken JSF. Wrong is wrong, no matter WHO is doing or or what they "say" their reasons are.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, July 6, 2021 4:35 PM

Let me approach this from a different direction.

Nazis were terrible because they genocided people, not bc those people did anything wrong but because they belonged to certain categories: communists, Roma, Jews and other "Undesirables" and got in the way of Germany forming the ideal society.

Is that any different than TWITCHY wanting to genocide the whole world, "down to the last hundred" because she claims that she wants to "free the world" by killing (almost) everyone in it? And did TWITCHY's Nazi-like behavior prevent her from calling other people "Nazis" at the drop of a hat?

Liberals are the first to throw the word "fascist" around*, and yet aren't they the ones who become extremely authoritarian whne it comes to imposing their POV?

*Misusing the term bc they don't know what it means

They will also wax eloquent about "freedom" and yet seem to be quite willing to censor foreign outlets and "inaccurate" reporting (altho they're quite willing to promulgate lies themselves.)

We recognize the hypocrisy: For liberals, it's bad when "others" behave in authoritarian ways, but OK when they do the exact same thing.

You can see SECNDRATE doing the same thing, altho HIS dividing line is "Democrats" and "Republians".

They can't separate the action from the actor. Instead of judging fairly, they use acompletely different yardstick when judging themselves or "their tribe".

Don't do what they do.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.