And now for something important: the globe has an ~20% chance of hitting the global warming 1.5C target in the next 5 years

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1KIKI

Thursday, July 9, 2020 7:44 PM

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/world-climate-change-chance-exce
eding-15c-met-offie-a4493146.html

https://in.news.yahoo.com/climate-change-rising-chance-exceeding-01545
2057.html

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/09/world/global-temperatures-wmo-clima
te-intl-scli/index.html

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, July 9, 2020 8:59 PM

Well...

You just had 3 months of China and india putting out near zero pollutants, and at least 2 months where driving anywhere in the US was a dream because nobody was on the road, and that didn't seem to help.

Looks like it's over.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Thursday, July 9, 2020 9:36 PM

Thanks for the bump.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, July 9, 2020 9:42 PM

No worries.

I'm just hoping The Coomph takes us out before the world lights on fire is all.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Thursday, July 9, 2020 9:58 PM

Oddly enough the best way to reduce the population is to improve the standard of living. It's a biological response that under stress, people have more children, rather than fewer. But under good conditions, birth rate drops - a fact bemoaned by nativists around the world who note the low birthrates of established populations in Europe and Japan.

What keeps us from improving lives and at the same time improving the environment is our economic system that doesn't fully reward people for their work, but instead siphons off their benefits to a very few in the form of profits.

You'd be better off looking for an economic paradigm shift, instead of hoping for a sub-total human extermination, whose numbers will be quickly replaced by very high birthrates in response to stress.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, July 9, 2020 10:01 PM

True, but also not without its consequences...

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Thursday, July 9, 2020 10:03 PM

People and mice don't respond the same way.

SIGNYM

Thursday, July 9, 2020 10:40 PM

Among other things, SIX, with higher living standards and increased status for women (a society where they can gain an education, inherit and own property, and have access to birth control and abortion) women who can CHOOSE not to have children, and who have other options in their lives besides being sex objects and mothers, often choose not to have children.

It's simple, really.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

SIGNYM

Thursday, July 9, 2020 10:44 PM

So what does this say to those libertarians and die-hard pro-corporatists who've been saying that we should be worried about global COOLING because the sun has reached another "Maunder minimum" (prolonged period of quietude)?

Are we seeing any global cooling yet?

HINT: No.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, July 10, 2020 7:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
People and mice don't respond the same way.

Yes. Yes they do.

You haven't been paying attention to 2020, apparently.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Friday, July 10, 2020 9:06 AM

Quote:
1KIKI:
People and mice don't respond the same way.

SIX: Yes. Yes they do.
You haven't been paying attention to 2020, apparently.

No, they don't. If you knew a shred of history you'd realize that human societies learn and change over generations, unlike mice. That is why our birth rate is amenable to change with the right incentives in place... unlike mice.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 11, 2020 9:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
1KIKI:
People and mice don't respond the same way.

SIX: Yes. Yes they do.
You haven't been paying attention to 2020, apparently.

No, they don't. If you knew a shred of history you'd realize that human societies learn and change over generations, unlike mice. That is why our birth rate is amenable to change with the right incentives in place... unlike mice.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

Watch the video.

It didn't take too many generations for the entire colony to collapse on several occasions when the right conditions were met. Mice and rats are not purely instinctually driven. Especially not when forced into a confined area where they are forced to be much more social creatures than they otherwise would if allowed to roam free.

In the experiments two things happened that aren't very far removed from what is happening to humans now...

1. They reached peak capacity for the "world" they lived in.

2. They were given everything they needed to survive.

Note, that I didn't say that they were given a nice life. Just the basic necessities of food in their belly, a predator free space to live in, and and a shield from the elements.

I can guarantee you that nearly everybody that I communicate with on this board and IRL, if not all of you, do far more than "exist" and have only become accustomed to many things that you think you cannot live without and take for granted.

How do I know that? I can manage to live quite comfortably on around only $4,500 per year, and that's including property taxes and car insurance. You, yourself, have even suggested recently that I am feral.

And you're never going to hear me bitching about how shitty my life is compared to people in places like Africa and poorer areas of China where even most of them have it infinitely better than their own ancestors did.

Seriously. I know it's long, but watch the video. I think you'll actually find it quite enjoyable.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Saturday, July 11, 2020 12:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted

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Do ~~Right~~ Wrong, Be ~~Right~~ Wrong. :)

fify

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 11, 2020 1:01 PM

Illegitimate argument, dummy.

I was talking to Sigs. I'm done conversing with halfwits.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Saturday, July 11, 2020 2:09 PM

You yourself pointed out one major difference between mice and humans - they're asocial, whereas humans are social. That's why under stress the human birth rates INCREASE, instead of decreasing. Humans are geared towards survival of their group in opposition to other groups. And the one way to do that in conflict is to have more people.

Another major difference is humans have language, which tells us what our reality means.

Another major difference is that humans have human-created physical accumulation over time, which shapes our societies. Our tools, our homes, our streets, etc define what we will do and how we'll live.

And so on.

There are far too many vital differences between primates and rodents to equate one with the other.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 11, 2020 8:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
You yourself pointed out one major difference between mice and humans - they're asocial, whereas humans are social. That's why under stress the human birth rates INCREASE, instead of decreasing. Humans are geared towards survival of their group in opposition to other groups. And the one way to do that in conflict is to have more people.

The birth rates of many animals also increase under stressful situations for the same reasons. They also decrease for many of the same reasons as well.

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Another major difference is humans have language, which tells us what our reality means.

We're able to express ourselves far better than any animals out there for sure, but that doesn't mean that mice or rats (or any other group of animals) doesn't have the ability to communicate to each other their situation or their limited scope on reality. If you saw the behavior of the raccoon family I babysat for three hours a few weeks ago, I think it would be quite eye opening for you.

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Another major difference is that humans have human-created physical accumulation over time, which shapes our societies. Our tools, our homes, our streets, etc define what we will do and how we'll live.

And so on.

There are far too many vital differences between primates and rodents to equate one with the other.

I'm not saying that HUMANS = RATS in a total and definitive sense.

But there are certainly many parallels, both on an individual basis and especially when looking at society and social behavior patterns, if given the right circumstances.

And just like you said here about humans:

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Another major difference is that humans have human-created physical accumulation over time, which shapes our societies. Our tools, our homes, our streets, etc define what we will do and how we'll live.

The mice and the rats in the experiments showed quite a bit of odd tenancies that were very atypical of their behavior in the wild when raised for generations in a finite "world" built for them where all of the basic needs for survival that they'd usually have to risk their lives for everyday were provided for them.

Especially interesting to me were the proliferation of odd behaviors to the point where those running the experiments actually put them into different named classes. It's quite possible that some of these odd behaviors do happen among the rat and mouse population given the right circumstances in the wild, but they would never be passed on and/or the ones showing the odd behaviors would die almost immediately from predators and/or they'd be outcast from their society.

I think a highlight to me in the video was the point in time during one of the experiments where they marked the death of the last "elder" male rat who was capable and/or had any desire at all to procreate.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 11, 2020 8:59 PM

Interestingly too, the experiments in the video were the inspiration for Robert C. O'Brien's "Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH", which was later adapted into the cartoon The Secret of NIMH by Don Bluth.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Saturday, July 11, 2020 11:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Interestingly too, the experiments in the video were the inspiration for Robert C. O'Brien's "Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH", which was later adapted into the cartoon The Secret of NIMH by Don Bluth.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Here is a modification of the rat experiment that makes it approximately the same as what humanity is doing to itself: seal the rats into a container where no carbon dioxide leaves their breathing air. After a while, some rats die from suffocation. In the case of humans, where the container is huge, some will die of heatstroke before they suffocate. You'd think that all the humans would be willing to pay to remove CO2 from their air, but in reality only a very few pay, with the rest of humanity expecting free air.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Sunday, July 12, 2020 12:11 AM

Quote:
Here is a modification of the rat experiment that makes it approximately the same as what humanity is doing to itself: seal the rats into a container where no carbon dioxide leaves their breathing air. After a while, some rats die from suffocation. In the case of humans, where the container is huge, some will die of heatstroke before they suffocate. You'd think that all the humans would be willing to pay to remove CO2 from their air, but in reality only a very few pay, with the rest of humanity expecting free air.

Actually ... not at all true. To give you a rough idea of normal CO2, atmospheric CO2 is roughly 500ppm today. When I started analyzing atmospheric CO2 (among other things) 35 years ago it was 350ppm.

In any case, the Navy is very interested in how high can they let CO2 get in the submarines, since generating oxygen is quiet and efficient, but scrubbing CO2 is noisy, bulky, and energy intensive. Results posted online have shown breathing air CO2 can go as high as 20,000ppm with no ill effects.

CO2 causes a lot of problems with global warming, ocean acidification, and other environmental problems, but suffocation isn't one of them.

Suffocation happens when oxygen is too low, or when lungs are damaged and oxygen can't pass through the alveoli into the bloodstream.

SECOND

Sunday, July 12, 2020 12:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:
Here is a modification of the rat experiment that makes it approximately the same as what humanity is doing to itself: seal the rats into a container where no carbon dioxide leaves their breathing air. After a while, some rats die from suffocation. In the case of humans, where the container is huge, some will die of heatstroke before they suffocate. You'd think that all the humans would be willing to pay to remove CO2 from their air, but in reality only a very few pay, with the rest of humanity expecting free air.
Actually ... not at all true. To give you a rough idea of normal CO2, atmospheric CO2 is roughly 500ppm today. When I started analyzing atmospheric CO2 (among other things) 35 years ago it was 350ppm.

In any case, the Navy is very interested in how high can they let CO2 get in the submarines, since generating oxygen is quiet and efficient, but scrubbing CO2 is noisy, bulky, and energy intensive. Results posted online have shown breathing air CO2 can go as high as 20,000ppm with no ill effects.

CO2 causes a lot of problems with global warming, ocean acidification, and other environmental problems, but suffocation isn't one of them.

Suffocation happens when oxygen is too low, or when lungs are damaged and oxygen can't pass through the alveoli into the bloodstream.

Seal humans in a world with 20,000 ppm CO2 and they will cook, but think of all the money they saved by dumping CO2 into the air for free instead of costly disposal!

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:13 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
You yourself pointed out one major difference between mice and humans - they're asocial, whereas humans are social. That's why under stress the human birth rates INCREASE, instead of decreasing. Humans are geared towards survival of their group in opposition to other groups. And the one way to do that in conflict is to have more people.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The birth rates of many animals also increase under stressful situations for the same reasons.

Generally, no. Under stress, studies indicate that birth rates of laboratory rodents goes down.
https://esajournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.2307/1934260
https://www.publish.csiro.au/ZO/ZO9540009

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kiki - Another major difference is humans have language, which tells us what our reality means.

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jack - We're able to express ourselves far better than any animals out there for sure, but that doesn't mean that mice or rats (or any other group of animals) doesn't have the ability to communicate to each other their situation or their limited scope on reality. If you saw the behavior of the raccoon family I babysat for three hours a few weeks ago, I think it would be quite eye opening for you.

Our language can tell people that it's far better to kill yourself than live as a disgraced person (for example). I can't think of any animal that commits socially-determined suicide besides people.

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kiki - Another major difference is that humans have human-created physical accumulation over time, which shapes our societies. Our tools, our homes, our streets, etc define what we will do and how we'll live.

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jack - I'm not saying that HUMANS = RATS in a total and definitive sense.

But there are certainly many parallels, both on an individual basis and especially when looking at society and social behavior patterns, if given the right circumstances.

Such as?

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jack - And just like you said here about humans: "kiki - Another major difference is that humans have human-created physical accumulation over time, which shapes our societies. Our tools, our homes, our streets, etc define what we will do and how we'll live."

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jack - The mice and the rats in the experiments showed quite a bit of odd tenancies that were very atypical of their behavior in the wild when raised for generations in a finite "world" built for them where all of the basic needs for survival that they'd usually have to risk their lives for everyday were provided for them.

I have to point out that laboratory rodents like rats, mice, and rabbits, have been SO highly selected and bred to 1) reduce individual differences but create distinctive strains, and 2) domesticate them to be amenable to being handled by humans, that even in basic behavior (fear of people for example) they in no way resemble their wild ancestors.
This overall domestication effect has even been observed in silver foxes bred for friendliness, and even includes changes in facial structure, fur coloration and type, body characteristics, diurnal cycles, as well as friendliness and overall behavior.
http://www.its.caltech.edu/~bio156/Papers/PDFs/Bioessays%202009%20Trut
.pdf
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/2018/08/fox-dogs-wild-tame-
genetics-study-news/
In addition, I thought I'd add that they're usually kept at sub-optimal temperatures (people-appropriate, not rodent-appropriate which would be much higher) which alone changes their behavior and physiology; and that they're usually observed, trained, and tested during the day, which is highly disruptive to normal behavior since they're nocturnal animals. What I'm saying is that highly inbred, domesticated lab rats and mice (and rabbits) don't behave like their wild ancestors in general.
Scientists can't even draw hard and fast behavior comparisons between bonobo chimps and regular chimps, that are highly related; and either or both of them compared

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:44 AM

You still haven't watched the video. That much is apparent from your response.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Sunday, July 12, 2020 4:31 AM

https://www.gwern.net/docs/sociology/1962-calhoun.pdf

I read the paper, which had a lot more details. The environment he set up was EXTREMELY artificial, geared towards maximizing stress at every opportunity - at getting food, water, and nesting, at traversing the space (one-way-in-and-out pathways), at it's lack of environmental richness and so on. Then he failed to reproduce the worst effects of his original experiment. And finally, it was a detailed description of rat behavior. Nowhere did he draw any parallels to humans.

But he does spend a number of pages making my case for me: under stress, birth rate (or, successful birthing and weaning of offspring) goes down.

Later experiments disproved some of his original conclusions, and broke links to urban, crowded humans. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2636191/

And finally, it's a many decade-long series of HUMAN measurements that as basic physical and social living conditions go down reproduction goes up - and the other way around (demographic transition).

I'm not convinced by the experiment, since a better environment more geared towards fulfilling rat needs might have avoided the effects that were attributed to 'overcrowding'.

A couple of decades ago I read of an experiment in a Science News article called 'Drinking to Forget'. It's been observed in the wild that some elephants prefer overripe (fermented!!) fruit. So a setup was created in a zoo where subtle social stressors were put in place. As I recall, they limited to water to two small sources (there was plenty of water, it was just crowded), and similarly they limited the food to one small area (again, there was plenty but it was harder to access). Lower ranked animals had to wait their turn. BTW, this is a highly abnormal situation compared to the wild, where food and water are generally spread out and accessible to all over many locations. (This is similar to Goodall's inadvertent chimp experiment where she piled fruit in one pile unlike in the wild where ripe fruit is scattered over many trees. Goodall then spent many months observing wildly hierarchical behavior not seen anywhere else, before she realized her mistake and scattered to fruit around.) Anyway, one water source was spiked with - I can't remember if it was 3% or 5% alcohol, which is about the alcohol level in naturally fermented fruit. More of the lower ranked elephants who were under mild social stress drank more of the spiked water than the higher ranked elephants (who, iirc, didn't drink the spiked water at all).

Anyway, by creating an abnormal environment, one can create stress in animals, whether or not there's plenty of food or water or even space. So the conditions of the original rat experiment don't speak to me of stress from 'overcrowding' as much as of stress from an overall brutally designed environment geared towards maximizing all kinds of stress not related to overall numbers in the space.

1KIKI

Sunday, July 12, 2020 5:16 AM

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/07/weather/siberia-arctic-temperature-
wildfires-intl/index.html

Siberia had its warmest June ever as wildfires raged and carbon dioxide emissions surged

1KIKI

Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:11 AM

Earth's climate destiny finally seen more clearly
Landmark study narrows bounds for "climate sensitivity," ruling out benign warming.

Summary

It seems like such a simple question: How hot is Earth going to get? For 40 years, climate scientists have repeated the same unsatisfying answer: If humans double atmospheric carbon dioxide from preindustrial levels, the planet will eventually warm between 1.5°C and 4.5°C—a temperature range that encompasses everything from a merely troubling rise to a catastrophic one. In a landmark effort, a team of scientists has significantly narrowed the bounds on this critical factor, known as climate sensitivity. The assessment relies on three strands of evidence: trends indicated by contemporary warming, the latest understanding of the feedback effects that can slow or accelerate climate change, and lessons from ancient climates. They support a likely warming range of between 2.6°C and 3.9°C. The work will feed into the next major U.N. report on climate change and, ultimately, inform projections of sea-level rise, economic damage, and much else.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/369/6502/354

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:41 AM

My money is on global warming.

Have fun wearing the mask in 5 years when your average temp went up 10 degrees on any given day.

I will refuse then, just as I refuse today.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:47 AM

And even if every old person were to die off tomorrow, it wouldn't change a thing.

Thanks for displaying your extreme double standard.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
And even if every old person were to die off tomorrow, it wouldn't change a thing.

Thanks for displaying your extreme double standard.

Still have no idea what you're talking about with the double standard thing.

At this point I'm going to assume that you have no idea what the definition of doxxing and double standards are. Just like you've already proven you have no idea what the definition of ignore is either.

But you're right. We'd need a lot more than just the old people to go if you're going to stop global warming. A lot more.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Thursday, July 30, 2020 12:54 AM

Putting you on 'ignore'.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, July 30, 2020 1:10 AM

Starting to think that Kiki doesn't know how words work.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Thursday, July 30, 2020 5:20 PM

Putting you on 'ignore'.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, July 30, 2020 7:50 PM

Do Right, Be Right. :)

REAVERFAN

Friday, July 31, 2020 12:07 AM

Senators Held a Bizarre Hearing About How to Solve Climate Change With More Fossil Fuels
https://earther.gizmodo.com/senators-held-a-bizarre-hearing-about-how-
to-solve-clim-1844535872

Welcome to Bizarro world. Thanks, Trump!

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, July 31, 2020 2:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Senators Held a Bizarre Hearing About How to Solve Climate Change With More Fossil Fuels
https://earther.gizmodo.com/senators-held-a-bizarre-hearing-about-how-
to-solve-clim-1844535872

Welcome to Bizarro world. Thanks, Trump!

Fight Climate change with Climate Change?

Must have gotten that out of the 2020 Democrat's fight Fascism with Fascism playbook.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Thursday, August 6, 2020 3:28 AM

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/05/weather/st-patrick-bay-ice-caps-cli
mate-change-trnd-scn/index.html

Two Canadian Arctic ice caps have completely disappeared, satellite imagery shows

New satellite images from NASA show that Canada's St. Patrick Bay ice caps have completely disappeared.
"I can't say I was terribly surprised because we knew they were going, but it has happened really fast," Mark Serreze, director of the National Snow and Ice Data Center, told CNN. Serreze co-authored a paper in 2017 estimating the ice caps would be gone within five years.
The very hot temperatures in the summer of 2015 reduced the longevity of the St. Patrick's Bay ice caps. "You could really see they got hit. But that heat has really just not stopped. It's just getting too warm," Serreze told CNN.
There are other glaciers near the now gone St. Patrick's Bay ice caps, such as the Murray and Simmons ice caps, which sit at a higher elevation. They have also been shrinking significantly.
"I'll make another prediction that they're gone in a decade," Serreze said.
Small ice caps in the Arctic are very sensitive indicators of the effects of climate change, according to Serreze.
"There's something called 'Arctic amplification,' which refers to the observation -- not the theory -- that the Arctic is warming up at a much faster rate than the rest of the globe, anywhere from two to four times faster," Serreze said. "We are starting to see all these things come together. The disappearance of the St. Patrick's Bay ice caps is "an exclamation point of what's happening in the Arctic," Serreze added.

https://phys.org/news/2020-07-canadian-ice-caps-scientific.html

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/53647640

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8580647/Satellite-imag
es-reveal-two-ice-caps-Canadian-Arctic-disappeared.html

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, August 6, 2020 5:14 AM

Cool.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Thursday, August 20, 2020 11:56 PM

Massive ice melt in Greenland last year shattered previous records, study says

By Associated Press
Aug. 20, 2020
8:48 AM

Greenland lost a record amount of ice during an extra warm 2019, with the melt massive enough to cover California in more than four feet of water, a new study said.

After two years when summer ice melt had been minimal, last summer shattered all records with 586 billion tons of ice melting, according to satellite measurements reported in a study published Thursday. That’s more than 140 trillion gallons of water.

The loss is far more than the yearly average of 259 billion tons of ice since 2003, and it easily surpasses the previous record of 511 billion tons in 2012, researchers wrote in Nature Communications Earth & Environment.

“Not only is the Greenland ice sheet melting, but it’s melting at a faster and faster pace,” said study lead author Ingo Sasgen, a geoscientist at the Alfred Wegener Institute in Germany.

The study also showed that there were many years in the 20th century when Greenland actually gained ice.

Last year’s Greenland melt added 0.06 inches to global sea level rise. That sounds like a tiny amount, but “in our world it’s huge — that’s astounding,” said study co-author Alex Gardner, an ice scientist at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in La Cañada Flintridge. Add in more water from melting in other ice sheets and glaciers, along with an ocean that expands as it warms, and that translates into slowly rising sea levels, coastal flooding and other problems, he said.

While general ice-melt records in Greenland go back to 1948, scientists began making more precise assessments in 2003 courtesy of NASA satellites that measure the gravity of the ice sheets. It’s the equivalent of putting the ice on a scale and weighing it as water flows off, Gardner said.

In 2017 and 2018, cooler Arctic air flowed from the open ocean into Greenland, which made the summers milder and the melt less severe, he said.

This year, Greenland’s summer melt has also been closer to normal for recent times, said Ruth Mottram, an ice scientist at the Danish Meteorological Institute who was not involved in the new study.

Mottram and several other independent scientists said that Sasgen’s calculations made sense. In her own study this month in the International Journal of Climatology, she reported similar results and also calculated that since 1991, Greenland coastal regions have warmed by an average of about 3 degrees Fahrenheit (or 1.7 degrees Celsius) in the summer.

“The fact that 2019 set an all-time record is very concerning,” said New York University ice scientist David Holland, who wasn’t part of either study.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-08-20/greenland-record
-melt-lost-billions-tons-ice-2019

1KIKI

Friday, August 21, 2020 12:01 AM

From ‘firenadoes’ to record heat, California extreme weather a glimpse of future

As one of the worst heat waves in years continues to broil California, millions are experiencing the havoc that ensues with extreme weather that is growing more frequent with climate change. Warmer nights in particular have the imprint of global warming, scientists say, and offer a glimpse into California’s future as greenhouse gas emissions gradually heat the planet.

“Climate change is certainly increasing the frequency, severity and duration of extreme heat and warm nights,” said Flavio Lehner, a climate scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research. “It is safe to assume that climate change contributed to the extreme nature of recent events,” though only a dedicated study could attribute to what extent.

https://www.thedailyworld.com/northwest/from-firenadoes-to-record-heat
-california-extreme-weather-a-glimpse-of-future/

1KIKI

Friday, August 21, 2020 12:02 AM

Yes, climate change is almost certainly fueling California’s massive fires

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/08/20/1007478/california-wildfir
es-climate-change-heatwaves/

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, August 21, 2020 4:27 AM

Maybe we can fight the Coomph with forest fires.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Friday, August 21, 2020 11:55 AM

You must be competing with Marcos/SECOND to post the stupidest things, JACKAREN, and trolling me from thread to thread.

GOOD!!

I love to watch you implode into futile, childish tantrums, the same way Marcos/SECOND is imploding.

I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACKAREN over the edge with too much reality.

But I get endless fun out of watching it.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, August 21, 2020 5:29 PM

What, are you a narcissist now? Got nothing to do with you, hun.

And what's this imploding you speak of, or that dumb signature you keep posting about me?

You'll know when I'm over the edge. And you should feel quite safe knowing that there is nothing that you could ever say or do that would be the catalyst.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, August 21, 2020 5:43 PM

Because forest fires work far too slow and we've only added 3 deaths to The Coomph despite the fact that enough of California is currently burning down to make up half the real estate of Rhode Island, here's a better idea...

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Saturday, August 22, 2020 3:01 AM

I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACKAREN over the edge with too much reality.

1KIKI

Saturday, August 22, 2020 3:27 AM

And back to the OP ...

99.999% Certainty Humans Are Driving Global Warming: New Study

https://www.iflscience.com/environment/99999-certainty-humans-are-driv
ing-global-warming-new-study/

A probabilistic analysis of human influence on recent record global mean temperature changes

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2212096314000163?vi
a%3Dihub

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, August 22, 2020 7:19 AM

Cool.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Saturday, August 22, 2020 12:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/07/weather/siberia-arctic-temperature-
wildfires-intl/index.html

Siberia had its warmest June ever as wildfires raged and carbon dioxide emissions surged

So the surge came from wildfires, not increased human activity.

This is an example of "positive feedback", where increased carbon dioxide causes wilfires which cause increased carbon dioxide.

Another major positive feedback is increasing greenhouse gases causes increased methane release (greenhouse gas) causing increased methane release.

As an aside, I was always under the impression - false, as it turns out-that carbon dioxide is cleared from the atmo much more quickly than methane. Methane is pretty unreactive, as far as atmo chemistry is concerned. It's such a spherical molecule it offers no point of attack, whereas carbon dioxide dissolves in water and is absorbed by plants.

But for some reason (which I have yet to look up) altho it is a potent greenhouse gas (32X stronger than CO2) the half-life of methane in the atmo is only 7 years, whereas the half life of CO2 is about 27 years.

One of the problems of relying on methane instead of oil and coal is that all of that methane-handling (extraction, pumping/pressurization, piping, fueling etc) causes LEAKS. It wouldn't be a problem except, as I mentioned, methane is a potent greenhouse gas.

At this point there is no way to reverse or even halt global climate shift. The best we can do is slow it down, and try to adapt to the changes ... and help the environment adapt, too.

One positive aspect is that rainfall is expected to INCREASE throughout much of the USA (except the extreme southwest, where I live) ... SIX, I think you have some experience with that ... so allowing trees to grow in former corn and soy fields would help soak up some of that CO2.

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As an aside, I listened to a very interesting commentary by a former Canadian regulator who was banging the alarm bell about GMOs and glyphosate. Apparently, in addition to killing weeds, glyphosate is used ... off-label ... to end grain growth cycle and dry it out (I think he called it "dessication") to artificially start the ripening process. The reason why this happens, he explained, was that those giant combines are million-dollar investments ... far beyond the reach of the average farmer ... and so the farmers subcontract the combine operators to do their harvesting for them. But these combine operators operate on a schedule ... this week, they're doing Custer County, NE; next week they're doing Dawson County.

So the fields have to be ready to be harvested, whether they're really ready or not. Hence, the artificial ripening.

I didn't know that.

So, just to continue off-topic for a bit, this is ONE of the reasons why I proposed smaller farms, smaller equipment (less capital-intensive), and less automation. Is it less "efficient" in that it requires more people-power? Yep, that's part of the plan! OTOH the farmer is more in control of the plowing/planting/reaping schedule, more responsive to the weather and natural ripening time,and able to plow/plant/harvest around those little swampy areas and ephemeral wetlands that (used to) support all kinds of wildlife.

I like to watch vet shows, especially large-animal vets. Not because I want to see a calf being pulled for the 100th time, but because I get to look at, and think about, the condition of farms and farmers in different states. One of the things I noticed, about Nebraska in particular, is that altho the land is fairly flat, it's not THAT flat. There is some contour to the land, but apparently contour plowing isn't practiced anymore. and it leads to nasty big gullies and all kinds of soil erosion. A farming practive that doesn't "bank" carbon into the soil, and yet another reason not to use big machines.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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1KIKI

Tuesday, September 15, 2020 4:14 AM

Two major Antarctic glaciers are tearing loose from their restraints, scientists say

Two Antarctic glaciers that have long kept scientists awake at night are breaking free from the restraints that have hemmed them in, increasing the threat of large-scale sea-level rise.

Located along the coast of the Amundsen Sea in West Antarctica, the enormous Pine Island and Thwaites glaciers already contribute around 5 percent of global sea-level rise. The survival of Thwaites has been deemed so critical that the United States and Britain have launched a targeted multimillion-dollar research mission to the glacier. The loss of the glacier could trigger the broader collapse of the West Antarctic ice sheet, which contains enough ice to eventually raise seas by about 10 feet.

The new findings*, published Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, come from analysis of satellite images. They show that a naturally occurring buffer system that prevents the glaciers from flowing outward rapidly is breaking down, potentially unleashing far more ice into the sea in coming years.

The glaciers’ “shear margins,” where their floating ice shelves encounter high levels of friction that constrain the natural flow of ice, are progressively weakening and in some cases breaking into pieces.

Enormous curved crevasses near the Pine Island Glacier shear margin. (Brooke Medley/NASA)

“The stresses that slow down the glacier, they are no longer in place, so the glacier is speeding up,” said Stef Lhermitte, a satellite expert at Delft University of Technology in the Netherlands who led the new research along with colleagues from NASA and other research institutions in France, Belgium, Austria and the Netherlands.

While many of the images have been seen before, the new analysis suggests that they are a sign of further disintegration to come.

“We already knew that these were glaciers that might matter in the future, but these images to me indicate that these ice shelves are in a very bad state,” Lhermitte said.

It’s just the latest in a flurry of bad news about the planet’s ice.

Arctic sea ice is very close to — but likely to not quite reach — a record low for this time of year. Last month, Canada lost a large portion of its last major Arctic ice shelf.

And in Greenland, the largest still-intact ice shelf in the Northern Hemisphere, sometimes known as 79 North because of its latitude (its full name is Nioghalvfjerdsfjorden), just lost a large chunk of ice, equivalent in size to roughly two Manhattan islands, according to the Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland. Experts there blamed the fracture on a strong general warming trend and temperatures that have been “incredibly” high in the northeast of Greenland in recent years.

Ice shelves are vast floating platforms that extend across the surface of the ocean at the outer edge of marine-based glaciers. As they flow over the water, these shelves freeze onto mountainsides and islands and anchor themselves to bumps in the seafloor. In this way, the shelves provide a braking mechanism on the natural outward flow of ice.

The buttressing effect occurs in the shear margins, where faster-flowing ice meets ice that is more static and stable, often because it is moored to some part of the landscape. In these places, the ice frequently crumples and contorts, a visible indication of the powerful stresses that it is under.

The Pine Island Glacier's damaged shear margin. (NASA Goddard Space Flight Center)

At the same time, and for the same reason, the glaciers themselves began to flow outward faster. The resulting forces led the shear-margin ice to break into pieces — which means that the glacier, less constrained, will now be abl

REAVERFAN

Wednesday, September 16, 2020 2:49 AM

Li'l Benny gets owned.

1KIKI

Thursday, February 18, 2021 5:02 AM

Mysteries of massive holes forming in Siberian permafrost unlocked by scientists

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/17/world/siberia-craters-arctic-climat
e-change-scn/index.html

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, February 18, 2021 5:05 AM

I remember being told in early grade school that if the global temperature were to increase by a single degree that we'd face an extinction level event.

I can't imagine that in 30+ years that already hasn't happened and we're still here.

This is a tough item to debate.

I can't imagine that humans have done the environment anything other than a lot of problems, but all of the remedies either mean shit costs a lot more and/or a lot more people are out of work in an economy that already is hanging by a thread.

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1KIKI

Thursday, February 18, 2021 5:50 AM

Back when you were in grade school was a long time ago, and science has moved on in the last 30 years.

Part of what's driving global warming is sheer wastefulness and inefficiency. If we got more efficient, and less geared towards excess, we could have everything we have today, at less of an environmental and overall monetary cost.

IMO what's driving that inefficiency and wastefulness are very large human-built (ie not forces of nature) systems - our economic model and global corporations.

Our economic model requires that corporations sell MORE in order to make MORE money than the competition; or by selling NEW AND DIFFERENT in order to carve out a new market. No company does well by selling 'just enough' - for example, just enough of food basics to healthfully sustain life. Maybe you haven't watched TV lately, but the number of fast-food and pre-prepared commercials is astounding. Anyway, I know you've personally pared down your lifestyle to know the difference between necessity and luxury, between need and want. But if everyone followed your lifestyle*, the economy would collapse sooner than it's already slated to do.

And then there are the corporations with their very large vested interests in keeping everything the same and doing everything the same. Exxon is going to be opposed to highly efficient ethanol-fueled fuel-cell cars. BASF is going to be opposed to insect solutions like (agricultural) integrated pest management that don't rely on regular and excessive use of its insecticides. Every solution that involves us doing something DIFFERENT - even if it's a cheaper, better, less excessive, more efficient option - is going to be opposed by an industry with a vested interest.

1KIKI

Thursday, February 18, 2021 7:05 AM

Oh, btw, before economists decided to intentionally turn the US economy into a CONSUMER economy to drive the economic machine, and turn people from being producers into CONSUMERS, the general ethic was to be hardworking, frugal, and geared towards a better future for themselves and the next generation. That was the ethic of the farm which people carried with them into the towns and cities.

The population was very deliberately propagandized to turn that around. This BBC video documents the many, many efforts by the government, the intelligentsia, and the businesses, to change an entire population's thinking.

The Century of Self - BBC (link edited to not self-load) http: // youtu.be/eJ3RzGoQC4s

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, February 18, 2021 8:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Back when you were in grade school was a long time ago, and science has moved on in the last 30 years.

I'm assuming that's a dig at me because of my comment about the 1 degree change.

And I'll just parry that by saying that 30 years from now, today will be a long time ago and science will have moved on from 2021 in the next 30 years.

Thank you for illustrating my point though.

Quote:
Part of what's driving global warming is sheer wastefulness and inefficiency. If we got more efficient, and less geared towards excess, we could have everything we have today, at less of an environmental and overall monetary cost.

IMO what's driving that inefficiency and wastefulness are very large human-built (ie not forces of nature) systems - our economic model and global corporations.

Our economic model requires that corporations sell MORE in order to make MORE money than the competition; or by selling NEW AND DIFFERENT in order to carve out a new market. No company does well by selling 'just enough' - for example, just enough of food basics to healthfully sustain life. Maybe you haven't watched TV lately, but the number of fast-food and pre-prepared commercials is astounding. Anyway, I know you've personally pared down your lifestyle to know the difference between necessity and luxury, between need and want. But if everyone followed your lifestyle*, the economy would collapse sooner than it's already slated to do.

And then there are the corporations with their very large vested interests in keeping everything the same and doing everything the same. Exxon is going to be opposed to highly efficient ethanol-fueled fuel-cell cars. BASF is going to be opposed to insect solutions like (agricultural) integrated pest management that don't rely on regular and excessive use of its insecticides. Every solution that involves us doing something DIFFERENT - even if it's a cheaper, better, less excessive, more efficient option - is going to be opposed by an industry with a vested interest.

It's worse than you imagine.

It's no longer just light bulbs that are designed to break.

It's everything.

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1KIKI

Thursday, February 18, 2021 8:41 AM

I know about lightbulbs being designed to break.

But it's not just 'planned obsolescence'.

Consumer's didn't campaign for blister packaging, plastic-covered styrofoam meat trays, and plastic disposable grocery bags. Nor did they demand racoptine-fed beef and beef-mush-plus-glue 'steaks'. And certainly they would prefer a 100mpg car at a reasonable price, or better yet, convenient public transportation on open roads where they don't have to worry about missing the last damn bus for the evening or being caught for hours in traffic jams.

Consumers - except as voiceless pawns - aren't part of the picture when these extremely wasteful decisions are being made.

In this economy, there's only one criteria - will it make a company money.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, February 18, 2021 9:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

I know about lightbulbs being designed to break.

But it's not just 'planned obsolescence'.

Consumer's didn't campaign for blister packaging, plastic-covered styrofoam meat trays, and plastic disposable grocery bags. Nor did they demand racoptine-fed beef and beef-mush-plus-glue 'steaks'. And certainly they would prefer a 100mpg car at a reasonable price, or better yet, convenient public transportation on open roads where they don't have to worry about missing the last damn bus for the evening or being caught for hours in traffic jams.

We've talked about all of that before. Not sure if you remember or not.

But planned obsolescence, first done on a massive scale with light bulbs, is a huge problem.

Imagine all the things we wouldn't be making today anymore if things were built to last. But that's not in any way profitable, and like the video you didn't watch goes into great detail about, every single thing we buy is designed to have a limitless consumer base in mind once the light bulb cartel realized that they were putting themselves quickly out of business when their light bulbs were designed to last 100 years.

Quote:
Consumers - except as voiceless pawns - aren't part of the picture when these extremely wasteful decisions are being made.

In this economy, there's only one criteria - will it make a company money.

No argument from me.

But at the end of the day, the world's biggest problem is overpopulation. Every other problem we have is magnified because of this one problem.

The only person I know here who is willing to acknowledge that hard truth is JO.

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WISHIMAY

Thursday, February 18, 2021 10:30 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No worries.

I'm just hoping The Coomph takes ME out before the world lights on fire is all.

AMEN TO THAT FIFY.

WISHIMAY

Thursday, February 18, 2021 10:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

I'm assuming that's a dig at me because of my comment about the 1 degree change.

A narcissist WOULD see the evolution of thought as an assault on what he was taught, because he put a brain cell toward learning, now he has reprogram it. 30 years of better data and better instruments was all planned to screw HIM over

1KIKI

Thursday, February 18, 2021 10:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Back when you were in grade school was a long time ago, and science has moved on in the last 30 years.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I'm assuming that's a dig at me because of my comment about the 1 degree change.

No dig. But in my job where one of the things I used to measure was ambient CO2 (a global warming gas) I saw it got up from 350ppm to 420ppm in 30 years (20%). There've been a lot changes in 30 years, not just in global warming gas concentrations like CO2, but the numbers and type of measurements being done (like satellite v ground-based), and the mathematics and modeling being done with the information. So information from 30 years ago is really outdated and not a good basis for an opinion, and I wonder why your mental reference is something from so long ago.

Anyway, "the United States population is equivalent to 4.25% of the total world population" and produces 15% of greenhouse gasses. And that's not counting the military which was explicitly omitted from the Paris Climate Accord (we don't even allow the military contribution to be measured), and the manufacturing we off-shored to China. If you got rid of the US in terms of official, counted global warming gasses, I'd be like getting rid of 1.2B people from the planet. That'd be quite a drop.

Anyway, yes, there are too many people. But in the end, there's too much consumption and pollution. And reducing that by whatever means - even if its by better efficiency and less excess - is a good thing.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, February 18, 2021 5:09 PM

Yeah. But what you're asking for is never going to happen.

I'm not arguing with anything your saying. I just wouldn't waste any time worrying about it since the only real fix for any of this is population reduction.

I'm sure the big brains are working on that one as we speak.

And I'm not going to waste any time worrying about that either since there's nothing you or I can do about any of it.

I recycle and don't consume much. I sleep fine at night.

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SECOND

Friday, February 19, 2021 1:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
. . . the only real fix for any of this is population reduction.

6ix, that is not a "fix". It's a philosophy for being defeated by life.

Download the free book "How to Avoid a Climate Disaster: The Solutions We Have and the Breakthroughs We Need"
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There are two numbers you need to know about climate change. The first is 51 billion. The other is zero. Fifty-one billion is how many tons of greenhouse gases the world typically adds to the atmosphere every year. Although the figure may go up or down a bit from year to year, it’s generally increasing. This is where we are today. Zero is what we need to aim for.

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1KIKI

Friday, February 19, 2021 2:15 AM

And when Biden* fails to keep his promises - or even promote them - I'll be happy to laugh at his skinny saggy ass parading all over town in his New Clothes™. That goes for the democrats* in general, too.

1KIKI

Friday, February 19, 2021 3:08 AM

UN: Huge changes in society needed to keep nature, Earth OK

Humans are making Earth a broken and increasingly unlivable planet through climate change, biodiversity loss and pollution. So the world must make dramatic changes to society, economics and daily life, a new United Nations report says.

Unlike past U.N. reports that focused on one issue and avoided telling leaders actions to take, Thursday’s report combines three intertwined environment crises and tells the world what’s got to change. It calls for changing what governments tax, how nations value economic output, how power is generated, the way people get around, fish and farm, as well as what they eat.

https://apnews.com/article/un-climate-change-environment-crisis-df5f89
784ec92aaf8a855f88bdd753c9

https://www.unep.org/resources/making-peace-nature

If democrats* don't do any different, how are they any better?

And when Biden* fails to keep his promises - or even promote them - I'll be happy to laugh at his skinny saggy ass parading all over town in his New Clothes™.

SECOND

Friday, February 19, 2021 3:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

And when Biden* fails to keep his promises - or even promote them - I'll be happy to laugh at his skinny saggy ass parading all over town in his New Clothes™. That goes for the democrats* in general, too.

No President, not even Biden, should ever promise to reduce CO2 to zero. It is only CONGRESS that can believably make that promise and provide the money for decades to make the promise really happen. But I see that most people think it is the President in charge, not CONGRESS. That's like thinking it is the horse in charge, not the rider wearing spurs who also feeds oats to the horse. If CONGRESS won't spur the President onward and won't feed the President $trillions for climate change, decade after decade, the President will not win a race against climate change.

Climate change will require decades of continuous work, while Presidents only last 8 years at best. When one President is swapped out for a fresh one, it is CONGRESS that has to make it clear that it wants the new President to continue the climate change task that CONGRESS had the old President working on. If CONGRESS vacillates about its goals, or doesn't know what a goal is, the President will be like a starved horse with no rider. Not gonna win a race against time and climate change.

Biden’s “all of government” plan for climate, explained
https://www.vox.com/22242572/biden-climate-change-plan-explained

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1KIKI

Friday, February 19, 2021 5:19 AM

Biden* never promised to reduce CO2 emission to zero, so you bringing that up in answer is a total strawman on your part. As usual.

I'm just saying he* and the Dems* - the people in complete control of the WH and Congress in case you hadn't noticed - won't make any significant changes to global warming gas emissions either.

And you can post that in any of the 'predictions' threads, or all of them if you want.

If democrats* don't do any different, how are they any better?

And when Biden* fails to keep his promises - or even promote them - I'll be happy to laugh at his skinny saggy ass parading all over town in his New Clothes™.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, February 19, 2021 5:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
. . . the only real fix for any of this is population reduction.
6ix, that is not a "fix". It's a philosophy for being defeated by life.

Yup... posted with your iPhone, I'm sure.

You're wrong, as per usual.

Solving overpopulation is the only cure. Period.

You're living in fantasy land.

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SECOND

Friday, February 19, 2021 5:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Biden* never promised to reduce CO2 emission to zero, so you bringing that up in answer is a total strawman on your part. As usual.

I'm just saying he* and the Dems* - the people in complete control of the WH and Congress in case you hadn't noticed - won't make any significant changes to global warming gas emissions either.

And you can post that in any of the 'predictions' threads, or all of them if you want.

I looked around this morning in Foreign Policy to find an article about just that point. The whole article is much better than my Readers Digest/Very Short version of it:

The Death of the Carbon Coalition
Existing models of U.S. politics are wrong. Here’s how the system really works.

The United States’ two political parties cannot be brought together. Indeed, they are existential threats to each other. And on a population scale, each electoral coalition has more or less the same number of potential voters. As a result, elections are decided by thin margins in a race to the death.

Democrats and Republicans can’t compromise because their economic models are antithetical to each other and the middle means death. For almost half of U.S. states, the Green New Deal, which is—sotto voce—at the center of Biden’s platform, spells the end of their existing strategies—think fracking, refining, plastics, mining, logging, and so on. And for the other half of the states that support the Green New Deal, scaling back its objectives to attract support from the carbon coalition threatens the post-carbon coastal communities. Will Silicon Valley and Wall Street remain above water at 2 degrees Celsius global warming? There is simply no way to build a centrist coalition across this divide.

There is only one way to fix this mess. The post-carbon coalition has to bribe Republicans to make the carbon transition. Non-coastal, largely Republican states must be the epicenter of the green transition and be the recipients of most of the investment. After all, they have the most assets to turn around and the most to lose if they are not compensated. If all they are offered is “you decarbonize/we keep the money,” then all they will give back is more Trumpism.

There are clear parallels in U.S. history, such as the massive bribe that the urban sector began paying to farmers in 1933 with the Agricultural Adjustment Act and two generations of generous farm bills thereafter. Yet the bribe this time must involve more than a subsidy; it requires exiting the carbon economy. For it to work, green investment must extend well beyond energy capture (solar and wind farms) and downstream into industries that are powered by alternatives. Massive investments in electric vehicle production, for instance, to support a rapid turnover of the U.S. motor vehicle fleet with U.S.-built cars and trucks, are required.

There are many proposals on the table to ameliorate polarization. But perhaps the most fundamental, and hardest to do, is to change the way we think about politics. Elections in the United States are not being fought over rival principles and certainly not over median voters. They are contested over which parts of the country will grow and how and who will pay for it. Recognizing this is the first step to fixing the deeper problem of the carbon transition for the good of all Americans.

More at https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/12/carbon-coalition-median-voter-us-
politics/

or https://web.archive.org/web/20210216200200/https://foreignpolicy.com/2
021/02/12/carbon-coalition-median-voter-us-politics/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Monday, February 22, 2021 1:09 AM

"How to Avoid a Climate Disaster: The Solutions We Have and the Breakthroughs We Need"
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"How to Avoid a Climate Disaster", by Bill Gates. A fun read about a serious topic.
By Wavefunction on Saturday, February 20, 2021

Bill Gates's book on climate change issues and solutions is exceptionally clear and simply written. Gates has an easy conversational style that makes the book a fun read, and he is clear-eyed about the problem and the solutions. He also stays away from politics, which makes the book a refreshingly apolitical read, especially in these times. Often Gates's interest as a hardcore nerd shows, for instance when he tours a geothermal energy plant on a family vacation. Gates is also modest; he recognizes well that the world might be skeptical to hear about climate change solutions from yet another billionaire who thinks technology can solve all our problems. The difference though is that that technology *can* contribute substantially to addressing climate change, and unlike almost any other rich person, Gates has shows that he has both the breadth of knowledge and - as shown by his vast philanthropy - the public commitment to tackle this huge challenge.
. . .
Contrary to what most people think, the biggest source of GHGs is not electricity generation or transportation but making things like steel, cement, ammonia and plastics (as the table below shows, these contribute more than 30% of total GHG emissions). Replacing these essentials of modern civilization is a daunting problem, much harder than thinking of replacing electricity or transportation sources, in part because the making of things like steel and cement is limited by the constraints of basic chemistry. It also does not help that the use of these materials by growing economies is exponentially increasing. This leads Gates to say whenever any company approaches him with a promising clean energy solution, "What's your strategy for cement?". The third big source of GHGs is land use and food. Lastly, heating and cooling constitute the fourth big source of emissions. Part of our discussion about climate change needs to be pivoted away from the fashionable things like electric cars, solar and nuclear power towards "boring" things like steel and cement.

How much greenhouse gas is emitted by the things we do?
31% Making things (cement, steel, plastic)
27% Plugging in (electricity)
19% Growing things (plants, animals)
16% Getting around (planes, trucks, cargo ships)
7% Keeping warm and cool (heating, cooling, refrigeration)

Gates tackles each of these five sources in turn and proposes solutions, some that exist in principle, others novel and experimental. A key figure to keep in mind is something called a Green Premium, which essentially refers to the extra price you would pay if you swapped out a fossil fuel source for one with clean energy; the smaller this number, the better the chance you have of making the replacement.

More at http://wavefunction.fieldofscience.com/2021/02/how-to-avoid-climate-di
saster-by-bill.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Monday, February 22, 2021 1:52 AM

Gates is an idiot, as his massively disastrous Gates-backed polio vaccination programs show - as attested to by that radical anti-vax publication Science.

Quote:
The switch worked, except in Africa, where type 2 vaccine-derived outbreaks have been more frequent and much harder to stop than the models projected; they are now smoldering in seven countries. By using mOPV2, "We have now created more new emergences of the virus than we have stopped," Pallansch says.
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/365/6449/106.full
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/07/surging-cases-have-dashed-all-
hope-polio-might-be-eradicated-2019

Sure, Gates said. Let's massively try out that new gosh-whiz technology on the global population, he said. It'll be fun! he said.

Gates is not an epidemiologist/ virologist and his pronouncements have hardly any credibility.

And neither is he a climatologist, and his pronouncements are just as incredible.

SECOND

Monday, February 22, 2021 2:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Gates is an idiot, as his massively disastrous Gates-backed polio vaccination programs show - as attested to by that radical anti-vax publication Science.

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The switch worked, except in Africa, where type 2 vaccine-derived outbreaks have been more frequent and much harder to stop than the models projected; they are now smoldering in seven countries. By using mOPV2, "We have now created more new emergences of the virus than we have stopped," Pallansch says.
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/365/6449/106.full
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/07/surging-cases-have-dashed-all-
hope-polio-might-be-eradicated-2019
Sure, Gates said. Let's massively try out that new gosh-whiz technology on the global population, he said. It'll be fun! he said.

Gates is not an epidemiologist/ virologist and his pronouncements have hardly any credibility.

And neither is he a climatologist, and his pronouncements are just as incredible.

1kiki, I don't think the Science article makes the point you are making. Let me quote the places it mentions Gates:

1) Still, the program has dealt with conflict before, says Jay Wenger of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation in Seattle, Washington, another partner in the eradication effort: "In Syria and Nigeria we found ways to get good enough vaccine coverage to stop the virus." . . .

2) A novel OPV2, genetically engineered to reduce its chances of reversion dramatically, has passed a phase I clinical trial, supported by the Gates Foundation. "It looks as good as it can now," Wenger says. The earliest it could possibly be available for use, however, is 2020. Further out is a new inactivated vaccine powerful enough to end outbreaks. "The race is on," Sutter says, "and it is very hard for me to predict which will win."

Nor will he predict when polio will be gone for good. Optimistic projections, he says, are "just setting the program up for failure."

More at https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/07/surging-cases-have-dashed-all-
hope-polio-might-be-eradicated-2019

(In my part of Texas, Trumptards have a weird hate toward rich&famous Democrats such as Gates. Assuming 1kiki is no different than the Trumptards I am familiar with, that would explain 1kiki's comments.)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Monday, February 22, 2021 2:35 AM

There are far more facts to this story.

To recap:

Yes, it was the Gates FOUNDATION that backed the vax efforts. Do you think Billy wasn't behind it what his foundation was doing? That the Gates Foundation somehow opposed Billy's will?

And yes, the vaccination program was a disaster, spread and embedding far more polio in Africa than existed in the first place. Now it's a mess that'll take who knows how long to clean up, that even Gates flunky Wenger won't predict.

SECOND

Monday, February 22, 2021 2:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

There are far more facts to this story.

To recap:

Yes, it was the Gates FOUNDATION that backed the vax efforts. Do you think Billy wasn't behind it what his foundation was doing? That the Gates Foundation somehow opposed Billy's will?

And yes, the vaccination program was a disaster, spread and embedding far more polio in Africa than existed in the first place. Now it's a mess that'll take who knows how long to clean up, that even Gates flunky Wenger won't predict.

I don't see how this is Gates' fault, since the vaccine predates Gates becoming a philanthropist. The vaccine is even older than the founding of Microsoft: In Africa, the wild polio virus appears to be gone, but the vaccine-derived viruses circulating there are just as dangerous. These strains arise when the weakened live virus used in the oral polio vaccine (OPV) mutates and regains its virulence. In rare instances, where a population's immunity is low, they can spread just like the wild virus. Last year, vaccine-derived viruses paralyzed 105 children worldwide; the wild virus just 33.

To prevent outbreaks of vaccine-derived virus, WHO has declared that once the wild virus is gone, countries must stop all use of OPV. As a first step, in April 2016 all countries switched from the trivalent version of OPV—which covers all three types of polio virus—to a bivalent one, which lacks the type 2 component. (Wild type 2 virus is the only one that has been eradicated.)

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/07/surging-cases-have-dashed-all-
hope-polio-might-be-eradicated-2019

In the 1950s Salk and Sabin developed separate vaccines—one from killed virus and the other from live virus—to combat the dreaded disease polio.
https://www.sciencehistory.org/historical-profile/jonas-salk-and-alber
t-bruce-sabin

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Monday, February 22, 2021 3:44 AM

If Gates actually knew anything - which he doesn't - he would have known that the only truly safe polio vaccine to date is the killed virus. Poliovirus reverting is a well-known phenomenon.

And thanks for quoting that the vaccination efforts in part funded by the Gets Foundation caused far more polio cases than naturally-occurring polio.

SECOND

Monday, February 22, 2021 4:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

If Gates actually knew anything - which he doesn't - he would have known that the only truly safe polio vaccine to date is the killed virus. Poliovirus reverting is a well-known phenomenon.

And thanks for quoting that the vaccination efforts in part funded by the Gets Foundation caused far more polio cases than naturally-occurring polio.

1kiki, what is also well known is the choice you are selling requires four shots, with needles, while the choice you oppose requires drops on a sugar cube. Parents tend to shy away from needles and children prefer sugar. Bill Gates would have paid for needles/syringes if the parents wanted needles, but the choice isn't up to him.

Why does America use the polio shot (IPV) and not the oral polio vaccine (OPV)? In about 1 of every 2.4 million recipients, the live, weakened virus contained in the oral polio vaccine causes paralysis. The shot does not have this same side effect because, unlike the oral version, the shot contains killed virus that cannot replicate and, therefore, cannot cause paralysis.

https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine
-details/polio-vaccine

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/public/index.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, February 22, 2021 1:44 PM

Fuck Bill Gates.

Dude got wealthy over a lifetime of stealing other people's shit.

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A government is a body of people usually, notably, governed by Mark Zuckerborg and Slack Dorsey.

Collection of links to Second's, Nilbog's and Marcos' death threats: https://cutt.ly/tkCvEX6

1KIKI

Saturday, February 27, 2021 5:34 AM

Monarch butterflies down 26% in Mexico wintering grounds

MEXICO CITY (AP) — The number of monarch butterflies that showed up at their winter resting grounds in central Mexico decreased by about 26% this year, and four times as many trees were lost to illegal logging, drought and other causes, making 2020 a bad year for the butterflies.

The government commission for natural protected areas said the butterflies’ population covered only 2.1 hectares (5.2 acres) in 2020, compared to 2.8 hectares (6.9 acres) the previous year and about one-third of the 6.05 hectares (14.95 acres) detected in 2018.

Gloria Tavera, the regional director of Mexico’s Commission for National Protected Areas, blamed the drop on “extreme climate conditions,” the loss of milkweed habitat in the United States and Canada on which butterflies depend, and deforestation in the butterflies’ wintering grounds in Mexico.

Illegal logging in the monarchs wintering rounds rose to almost 13.4 hectares (33 acres), a huge increase from the 0.43 hectare (1 acre) lost to logging last year.

Jorge Rickards of the WWF environmental group acknowledged the lost trees were a blow, but said “the logging is very localized” in three or four of the mountain communities that make up the butterfly reserve.

In addition, wind storms, drought and the felling of trees that had fallen victim to pine beetles or disease, caused the loss of another 6.9 hectares (17 acres) in the reserve, bringing the total forest loss in 2020 to 20.65 hectares (51 acres). That compares to an overall loss of about 5 hectares (12.3 acres) from all causes the previous year.

Tavera said the drought was affecting the butterflies themselves, as well as the pine and fir trees where the clump together for warmth.

https://apnews.com/article/monarch-butterflies-down-mexico-9eb0e1e1b09
e289428e55f78b3236c4b

SECOND

Wednesday, March 3, 2021 5:15 PM

The Atlantic Ocean circulation that underpins the Gulf Stream, the weather system that brings warm and mild weather to Europe, is at its weakest in more than a millennium, and climate breakdown is the probable cause, according to new data.

Further weakening of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) could result in more storms battering the UK, more intense winters and an increase in damaging heatwaves and droughts across Europe.

Scientists predict that the AMOC will weaken further if global heating continues, and could reduce by about 34% to 45% by the end of this century, which could bring us close to a “tipping point” at which the system could become irrevocably unstable. A weakened Gulf Stream would also raise sea levels on the Atlantic coast of the US, with potentially disastrous consequences.

Stefan Rahmstorf, of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research, who co-authored the study published on Thursday in Nature Geoscience, told the Guardian that a weakening AMOC would increase the number and severity of storms hitting Britain, and bring more heatwaves to Europe.

He said the circulation had already slowed by about 15%, and the impacts were being seen. “In 20 to 30 years it is likely to weaken further, and that will inevitably influence our weather, so we would see an increase in storms and heatwaves in Europe, and sea level rises on the east coast of the US,” he said.

Rahmstorf said: “We risk triggering [a tipping point] in this century, and the circulation would spin down within the next century. It is extremely unlikely that we have already triggered it, but if we do not stop global warming, it is increasingly likely that we will trigger it.

“The consequences of this are so massive that even a 10% chance of triggering a breakdown would be an unacceptable risk.”

More at https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/feb/25/atlantic-ocean-cir
culation-at-weakest-in-a-millennium-say-scientists

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Sunday, April 4, 2021 6:29 PM

Fossilized pollen and leaves reveal that the meteorite that caused the extinction of nonavian dinosaurs also reshaped South America’s plant communities to yield the planet’s largest rain forest

Dinosaur and fossil aficionados are intimately familiar with the meteorite strike that drove Tyrannosaurus rex and all nonavian dinosaurs to extinction around 66 million years ago. But it is often overlooked that the impact also wiped out entire ecosystems. A new study shows how those casualties, in turn, led to another particularly profound evolutionary outcome: the emergence of the Amazon rain forest of South America, the most spectacularly diverse environment on the planet. Yet the Amazon’s bounty of tropical species and habitats now face their own existential threat because of unprecedented destruction from human activity, including land clearing for agriculture.

The new study, published on Thursday in Science, analyzed tens of thousands of plant fossils and represents “a fundamental advance in knowledge,” says Peter Wilf, a geoscientist at Pennsylvania State University, who was not involved in the research. “The authors demonstrate that the dinosaur extinction was also a massive reset event for neotropical ecosystems, putting their evolution on an entirely new path leading directly to the extraordinary, diverse, spectacular and gravely threatened rain forests in the region today.”

These insights, Wilf adds, “provide new impetus for the conservation of the living evolutionary heritage in the tropics that supports human life, along with millions of living species.”

Carlos Jaramillo, a paleobiologist at the Panama-based Smithsonian Tropical Research Institute and co-lead author of the study, agrees that the meteorite’s evolutionary and ecological effects hold implications for today’s rapid, human-caused destruction of the Amazon rain forest and other key habitats across the planet. “We can relate this to nowadays,” he says, “because we’re also transforming landscapes, and that lasts forever—or at least a very long time.”

Prior to the meteorite, the authors determined, South America’s forests featured many conifers and a brightly lit open canopy supporting a lush understory of ferns. Dinosaurs likely played key roles in maintaining these Cretaceous forests by knocking down trees and clearing out vegetation, among other things. Within moments of the Chicxulub meteorite’s impact, however, this ecosystem was irrevocably altered. Fires, which likely burned for several years, engulfed South America’s southerly forests. Along with many of the animals they supported, a total of 45 percent of the continent’s tropical plant species disappeared, according to the authors’ calculations.

Regan Dunn, a paleoecologist at the La Brea Tar Pits and Museum in Los Angeles, who was not involved in the new study, agrees that its findings are not only key for revealing the past but also for putting current anthropogenic threats into perspective. She particularly notes the authors’ calculation that 45 percent of plant species went extinct following the meteorite collision, because “current estimates suggest that at least this many plant species will be globally threatened in the Amazon basin in the next 30 years from human activities alone.”

“The question remains: How will human impact change the composition and function of Amazonian forests forever?” Dunn says.

The new findings show how extensive mass extinction events can alter “the course of everything,” Jacobs says. Today we are in the midst of another such event, she adds, but this one is driven by a single species—and there is no place far from the metaphorical impact crater “because humans are ubiquitous.”

Yet unlike past mass extinction events, Jacobs says, this time “we are not powerless to stop it.”

More at https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-asteroid-that-killed-th
e-dinosaurs-created-the-amazon-rain-forest/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, April 4, 2021 7:02 PM

^ Overpopulation. Period.

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" 'You're like the Nazis' is the new 'I don't like you'. That disqualifies her from marching around planet Who-Gives-a-Shit in a helmet? ~Bill Maher

PSA: Don't click on any links in Second's posts. He's trying to fish your private information out of you.

SECOND

Tuesday, June 22, 2021 1:35 AM

Climate models predicted heatwaves like America’s record-breaking weekend

The U.S. hasn’t seen anything quite like this. Over the weekend, temperatures soared to new triple-digit heights across the American West. The immediate cause was a “heat dome,” a mass of high-pressure air trapping heat beneath it, one far stronger and larger than normal.

But what we saw this weekend is what climate scientists have been predicting for decades. And it’s a taste of what’s to come. “It’s surreal to see your models become real life,” Katharine Hayhoe, climate scientist and chief scientist at the Nature Conservancy, says in the Guardian.

Records fell across the region. On June 17, California’s capital of Sacramento hit 110°F (43°C), smashing the last record of 102°F set in 1976. Similar all-time highs fell in Las Vegas, Denver, Phoenix, and other cities thousands of miles apart. In Death Valley National Park, where temperatures soared to 128°F, just one degree off the record, nighttime temperatures stayed above 111°F (44°C) well past midnight, among the hottest nights ever recorded in North America.

What climate models predicted is coming true. Scientists forecast global warming would fuel higher temperatures, falling humidity, dwindling snowpack, and intensifying drought. So far, this is coming to pass, despite some uncertainty about how this will play out in the coming century.

Extreme heatwaves are now an estimated 3 to 5 degrees Fahrenheit warmer across the US, estimates Michael Wehner, a senior scientist at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. In the West, the hottest days have gotten about 33% drier in Nevada and California over the last 40 years, according to the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA) climate scientist Karen McKinnon. A “megadrought” now engulfing the region is eclipsing any period for the last 1,200 years.

Little of this is surprising for scientists who run supercomputers modeling the planet’s atmosphere. In 2019, climate scientist Zeke Hausfather analyzed 17 climate models run between 1970 and 2007 and found more than half predicted outcomes “indistinguishable from what actually occurred.” More than 80% correctly analyzed how the atmosphere would respond to rising greenhouse gases level after controlling for models that overestimated humans’ GHG emissions.

When will the heatwave be over?

The West’s drought appears to be without precedent in recorded history. From Oregon to the Mexican border, drought intensity has reached “exceptional” levels. Decades of low rainfall, and two especially dry years, have turned the region into a tinderbox with 100 million dead trees in California alone, and millions more ready to burn. With the hottest, and driest, period of the year still ahead, conditions are “as bad as they can be,” says Daniel Swain, a climate scientist at UCLA.

Last year, similar (but not as dry) conditions led to an apocalyptic fire season that killed 33, burned 4% of the state (4.4 million acres), and left the entire coast languishing under blood-red skies. Fires are breaking out again in California more than a month early, with forests primed to go up in flames. Ranchers and farmers are starting to talk about shrinking their herds, or ending their livelihoods, as the wells dry up: 20% of California’s prime farmland in the San Joaquin Valley has been fallowed.

On the surface, water is vanishing as well. For the first time, the massive reservoir behind the Hoover Dam, Lake Mead, registered just 37% full. That’s threatening power and water supplies for seven states (Arizona, California, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, Utah, and Wyoming) in the Colorado River basin (the dam’s generation is already down 25%). In California, the loss of snowpack means that power generation is forecast to drop 70% below the 10-year average, while some power-producing dams, such as the one on Lake Oroville, could stop generating power for the first time since they were built more than 50 years ago.

This week’s misery won’t go on forever, a

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, June 29, 2021 9:58 PM

Map: Wildfires now burning in California
https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/06/29/map-wildfires-now-burning-in-ca
lifornia

More record-smashing heat forecast as Canada, US northwest bake
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/more-record-smashing-heat-f
orecast-as-canada--us-northwest-bake-15111864

1KIKI

Tuesday, June 29, 2021 10:09 PM

This "once in a millennia" heat wave is a taste of the future.

Because while it's true that temps will go up - and down - the ups will be higher, longer, and more frequent - and the downs will be not quite as low, shorter, and rarer.

SECOND

Saturday, July 31, 2021 6:07 PM

A 1972 MIT study predicted that rapid economic growth would lead to societal collapse in the mid 21st century. A new paper shows we’re unfortunately right on schedule.

The controversial MIT analysis generated heated debate, and was widely derided at the time by pundits who misrepresented its findings and methods. But the analysis has now received stunning vindication from a study written by a senior director at professional services giant KPMG, one of the 'Big Four' accounting firms as measured by global revenue.

The study was published in the Yale Journal of Industrial Ecology in November 2020 and is available on the KPMG website. https://advisory.kpmg.us/articles/2021/limits-to-growth.html

The current business-as-usual trajectory of global civilization is heading toward the terminal decline of economic growth within the coming decade — and at worst, could trigger societal collapse by around 2040.

While focusing on the pursuit of continued economic growth for its own sake will be futile, the study finds that technological progress and increased investments in public services could not just avoid the risk of collapse, but lead to a new stable and prosperous civilization operating safely within planetary boundaries. But we really have only the next decade to change course.

More at https://www.vice.com/en/article/z3xw3x/new-research-vindicates-1972-mi
t-prediction-that-society-will-collapse-soon

Data check on the world model that forecast global collapse
Gaya Herrington, Director Sustainability Services at KPMG and Club of Rome advisor
https://www.clubofrome.org/blog-post/herrington-world-model/

Yep, it’s bleak, says expert who tested 1970s end-of-the-world prediction
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/25/gaya-herrington-mi
t-study-the-limits-to-growth

Can you imagine 61 Senators reading this and then voting to spend the money to stop the end of the world? 61 won't read it, and certainly when they see the annual cost is more than what is spent on the Pentagon, they will refuse to believe it.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 31, 2021 7:41 PM

Second just dropping hints all over the board that he's pissing and moaning about the filibuster not being killed.

Boo Hoo, dude.

I told you from the very beginning it wasn't going to happen.

You should listen to me more often.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

SIGNYM

Saturday, July 31, 2021 11:18 PM

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

SECOND

Sunday, August 1, 2021 2:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Second just dropping hints all over the board that he's pissing and moaning about the filibuster not being killed.

Boo Hoo, dude.

I told you from the very beginning it wasn't going to happen.

You should listen to me more often.

6ix, I hear from genuine Texans the same tired old ideas as you frequently share and all those Texans are mentally challenged struggling to stay in the middle class who think of themselves as huge successes. (They are NOT successful, just so you know, but they are delusional. I think there is a strong connection between self-delusional and financially struggling, but they can't see any connection.)

Over two dozen youth-focused organizations and more than 100 other young people sent Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer a letter, shared first with CNN, urging the New York Democrat and his caucus to scrap the filibuster.

The letter, delivered to Schumer via email Thursday evening, argues that the Senate stall tactic stands in the way of passing legislation to protect the next generation – a group of Americans facing what they call multiple “urgent crises” at once such as the attack on voting rights, danger of climate change, threat of school shootings and burden of student loan debt.

“If legislation addressing every issue that young people care about is filibustered, it’s hard to keep faith in a political process that’s choosing to uphold an arcane Senate procedural rule instead of delivering on the essential progress we all are working for and that our country desperately needs,” the group writes.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/30/politics/young-people-chuck-schumer-fil
ibuster/index.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Friday, August 6, 2021 10:44 PM

A crucial system of currents in the Atlantic Ocean that helps control temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere and has implications for the entire planet’s weather systems is showing signs of instability due to human-made climate change, scientists say.

Its collapse would have dire consequences for our weather and life on Earth.

The Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) – which the Gulf Stream is a major part of – helps maintain the energy balance in the Atlantic Ocean. It is often described as a “conveyor belt” that takes warm surface water from the tropics and distributes it to the north Atlantic. The colder, saltier water then sinks and flows south.

A study, published Thursday in Nature and Climate Change, warned of “an almost complete loss of stability of the AMOC over the course of the last century. Researchers say it could be close to a collapse from a strong circulation to a weak circulation, though the threshold for such a collapse is still uncertain.

Scientists have warned for years that the circulation is weakening. Heavy rain and melting ice sheets are making the water in the North Atlantic Ocean less salty, which makes it lighter and less likely to sink. If the water in this region becomes too light, the entire circulation could be disrupted.

Global weather patterns are critically linked to the circulation and its transport of heat and nutrients around the planet. A collapse of this system would result in significant and abrupt changes, including fast sea level rise, more extreme winters in Western Europe and disruptions to monsoon systems in the tropics.

It could also have a cascading effect and destabilize other components of the Earth’s climate system, including the Antarctic ice sheet and the Amazon rainforest.

This scenario was the premise for the 2004 climate science fiction film “The Day After Tomorrow,” in which a series of extreme weather disasters strike after climate change caused the AMOC to collapse.

The study comes ahead of a major report by the UN’s International Panel on Climate Change on Monday, which has been years in the making and is expected to provide the most conclusive look yet at the extent of human-made climate change. It will also likely paint a picture of what the future could look like, depending on what action the world takes to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/06/world/climate-gulf-stream-collapse-warn
ing-study-intl/index.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

1KIKI

Saturday, August 7, 2021 2:36 AM

Wildfire explodes to third-largest in California history
https://apnews.com/article/fires-environment-and-nature-california-wil
dfires-5cc1c7f994d0588c2894489377d0f1e0

Raging wildfires in Greece, Turkey, force thousands to flee
https://apnews.com/article/europe-fires-athens-heat-waves-4fca06093b6e
4c0c463210dfe7fb4cfb

Brazil forest fire season underway and raising concern
https://apnews.com/article/science-fires-environment-and-nature-caribb
ean-forests-290397e31ce872b082064f7c76d87984

1KIKI

Saturday, August 7, 2021 3:25 AM

US automakers pledge huge increase in electric vehicles
https://apnews.com/article/technology-joe-biden-business-environment-a
nd-nature-economy-88fe6ca8e333f3d00f6d2e98c6652cea

... because of Biden's* support/ pressure. Sorry everybody, this'll do zip to stop global warming. It's just one more example of democrats* blowing the 1% while making noises about the purity of their intentions.

And if democrats* don't do any different, how are they any better?

SECOND

Monday, August 9, 2021 5:31 PM

Climate change IPCC report is 'code red for humanity', UN scientists say

IPCC - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Press Release:
https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2021/08/IPCC_WGI-AR6-Press-Rel
ease_en.pdf

Climate Change 2021: The Physical Science Basis
https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/

The full report is 3,949 pages. The 42 page Summary for Policymakers (SPM) provides a high-level summary of the understanding of the current state of the climate.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SECOND

Monday, August 9, 2021 9:46 PM

"Bottom line is that we have zero years left to avoid dangerous climate change, because it's here," Michael E. Mann, a lead author of the IPCC's 2001 report, told CNN.

Unlike previous assessments, Monday's report concludes it is "unequivocal" that humans have caused the climate crisis and confirms that "widespread and rapid changes" have already occurred, some of them irreversibly.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/09/world/global-climate-change-report-un-i
pcc/index.html

How did Trump respond? This way: "Communist Democrat Party". Trump passionately hates the Green New Deal, the only way to save the world from burning to death.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/news/news-gyuymdj5zs0

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

DREAMTROVE

Monday, August 9, 2021 10:05 PM

everything the media says is a lie. wake up sheeple
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there's no global warming, there's no coronavirus epidemic, there's no white supremacy, no terrorist threat, there's no economic crisis, there's no debt crisis, there's no islamic extremist, there's no russian threat, there's no foreign election meddling, all of it is fake, everything they say is fake. If it wasn't fake, it wouldn't profit them to say it.

The only thing that's true is whatever the media says is false.

If a conspiracy theory is not worth the media's time to repeatedly tell you it's fake, then it's probably fake. If the media feels the need to repeatedly tell you a story is false, then it's probably true.

Once you become a contrarian, you'll find you predictive capacity will increase 100 fold.

1KIKI

Monday, August 9, 2021 10:34 PM

I've seen too many of the forest fires they've reported about, and driven from one to the other, to think that their reporting is completely fake.

Just saying - I'd rather believe my eyes than disbelieve them just because what I've seen is also on TV.

SECOND

Tuesday, August 10, 2021 8:29 PM

The IPCC report approved by 195 nations shines a harsh spotlight on governments dithering in the face of mounting evidence that climate change is an existential crisis. "It's suicidal, and economically irrational to keep procrastinating."

We ignored the warnings, and now it's too late: global heating has arrived with a vengeance and will see Earth's average temperature reach 1.5 degrees Celsius above preindustrial levels around 2030, a decade earlier than projected only three years ago, according to a landmark UN assessment published on Monday.

The world must brace itself for worse—potentially much worse—to come, the report made clear. Even if the 1.5C target humanity is now poised to overshoot is miraculously achieved, it would still generate heatwaves, rainfall, drought and other extreme weather "unprecedented in the observational record", it concluded.

A looming danger is "tipping points", invisible thresholds—triggered by rising temperatures—for irreversible changes in Earth's climate system. Disintegrating ice sheets holding enough water to raise seas a dozen metres; the melting of permafrost laden with double the carbon in the atmosphere; the transition of the Amazon from tropical forest to savannah—these potential catastrophes "cannot be ruled out," the report cautions.

"An important reason for taking urgent action on emissions is to decrease the chances that one or more of these world-changing events will be triggered over the 21st century," said Andrew Watson, Royal Society Research Professor at the University of Exeter.

More at https://phys.org/news/2021-08-global-code-red-humanity.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SECOND

Wednesday, August 11, 2021 7:10 AM

It is encouraging that this report suggests a strategy to alleviate some of its most devastating projections.

For the first time in IPCC history, the assessment dedicates an entire chapter to short-lived climate pollutants, casting a spotlight on methane – the reduction of which would have immediate climate benefits. It shows that methane pollution from fossil fuel operations, agriculture and other activities is responsible for more than a quarter of today’s warming.

The good news is cutting this pollution also represents the fastest way to slow the rate of warming. We know how to cut methane pollution quickly and cheaply, allowing us to make crucial progress while we continue to decarbonize our energy systems.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/10/opinions/frightening-climate-change-rep
ort-fred-krupp/index.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, August 11, 2021 7:09 PM

Does this mean that you're going to slaughter all of your cows and get out of the Steak Business as a show of good faith then, Second.

It really annoys us that your fictional RL personality and its farting cows are responsible for all of the fires.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, August 11, 2021 7:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Disintegrating ice sheets holding enough water to raise seas a dozen metres...

At least Democrats won't have to worry about Florida anymore.

Maybe that was the plan all along?

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

SECOND

Wednesday, August 11, 2021 8:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Does this mean that you're going to slaughter all of your cows and get out of the Steak Business as a show of good faith then, Second.

It really annoys us that your fictional RL personality and its farting cows are responsible for all of the fires.

The biggest methane leakage is from natural gas production. As for enteric fermentation, if you eat less meat, you release less methane.

Methane and Nitrous Oxide are the next biggest problems after Carbon Dioxide.
https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/overview-greenhouse-gases#methane
https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/overview-greenhouse-gases#nitrous-oxi
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6ix, I expect a Trump voter to be an ignoramus about climate change and you did as expected. Before embracing Covid-19 denial, there was climate denial. Many of the attitudes that have characterized their response to the coronavirus pandemic — refusal to acknowledge facts, accusations that scientists are part of a vast liberal conspiracy, refusal to address the crisis — were foreshadowed in the climate debate.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

1KIKI

Thursday, August 12, 2021 2:07 AM

What It Means When Climate Scientists Say They're Certain

The use of the word ‘unequivocal’ in the IPCC’s latest report was no small step for science-speak.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-10/what-it-means-that-
ipcc-scientists-are-certain

SECOND

Thursday, August 12, 2021 5:29 AM

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer said, during debate on the budget reconciliation negotiations, that climate change would once again be a central focus.

“The future of our planet looks bleak until we do something, right now. And the budget reconciliation bill will do more to combat climate change than any legislation — ever — in the history of the Senate. That is a promise,” Schumer said on the Senate floor Monday.

Republicans are not on board with that plan. Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyo., introduced an amendment that would prohibit “legislation or regulations to implement the Green New Deal.”

“I am offering this amendment to spare the country from the so-called Green New Deal,” Barrasso said on the Senate floor Tuesday. “The Green New Deal is not about protecting the environment. It’s about making big government even bigger. This socialist scheme would destroy jobs, it will reduce the quality of life for the American people. Millions and millions of Americans will suffer.”

Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., then took to the floor and lashed out at Barrasso.

“In case the senator from Wyoming has missed it, Oregon is burning, California is burning, Greece is burning. There is a drought hitting virtually every country on Earth,” Sanders said. “News flash: Climate change is real, and the United States and other countries have got to address it.”

https://news.yahoo.com/republicans-largely-silent-on-code-red-climate-
change-report-183009586.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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