Victoria's Secret Switching To Lesbian Lingerie

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, June 19, 2021 3:21 AM

I was thinking about it more today and if somebody wants to take the largest company of lingerie in the world and start trying to call burlap sacks on ugly women and non-women lingerie, that's just fine. It's not actually going to be lingerie, and it's not actually going to be sexy, but knock yourselves out.

Maybe there is a market for whatever the owners of Victoria's Secret are trying to do now, but it's not lingerie, and it's not sexy.

They aren't going to change any minds here. The arrogance... The hubris.

All they're doing is leaving a void behind them that somebody else will fill.

If I were a gambling man, I'd be putting money into Fredrick's of Hollywood stock right now... or perhaps doing some research and finding out which up-starts are the most likely to fill that void.

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Give me liberty or just come shoot me in my house. I'm so over this ridiculous reality.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, June 19, 2021 3:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I think the idea behind the old VS is that women want to conform themselves to be men's fantasies? Maybe women are just tired of spending their time and energy on that? And that that's the reason for the decline in the old VS demographic? Because it does seem like something has changed in the consumer demand. And if it's not the men ...

I had conjured that women wanted to look feminine, feel feminine, to appeal to the fantasy of A MAN, A specific man. Absent a specific man, then perhaps men generally.

Perhaps the post-Madonna era of underwear outside the clothing has warped a few generations.

Maybe women really are of an era where they are not interested in looking appealing, in attracting attention of males. Maybe I have not met those women. I wonder how the comparison of vibrator sales vs VS would look.

1KIKI

Saturday, June 19, 2021 7:38 AM

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There will be no shortage of women who want to look and be sexy.

You mean, women who want to look and feel like a VS commercialized version of sexiness? Well, apparently there IS a shortage! And it's showing up in VS's bottom line!

Think back to before ... before the internet. Before TV. Before radio. Before books. Before written language. What did humans respond to as sexiness ... in order to sustain the human population?

Maybe something like these:

1KIKI

Saturday, June 19, 2021 7:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I think the idea behind the old VS is that women want to conform themselves to be men's fantasies? Maybe women are just tired of spending their time and energy on that? And that that's the reason for the decline in the old VS demographic? Because it does seem like something has changed in the consumer demand. And if it's not the men ...

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I had conjured that women wanted to look feminine, feel feminine, to appeal to the fantasy of A MAN, A specific man. Absent a specific man, then perhaps men generally.

And ... why would women feel it's their job to appeal to the fantasies of A MAN, or men generally, instead of the other way around?

Have you ever felt the need to alter yourself to appeal to women's fantasies? I'm just curious.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, June 19, 2021 9:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Quote:
There will be no shortage of women who want to look and be sexy.
You mean, women who want to look and feel like a VS commercialized version of sexiness? Well, apparently there IS a shortage! And it's showing up in VS's bottom line!

Think back to before ... before the internet. Before TV. Before radio. Before books. Before written language. What did humans respond to as sexiness ... in order to sustain the human population?

Nah. There's not a shortage.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/255806/net-sales-of-victorias-secr
et-worldwide/

VS Sales Worldwide from 2010 to 2020, in Millions of USD:
2010 5,520
2011 6,121
2012 6,574
2013 6,884
2014 7,207
2015 7,262
2016 7,781
2017 7,387
2018 7,375
2019 7,509
2020 5,413

There was only a moderate drop in sales in 2017 and a nearly non-existant drop in 2018. 2019 saw them cover half of those losses.

May of 2016 was when they announced they would cancel their catalog. This would account for the loss in sales the two next years while they figured out how to make up for the loss in catalog sales. Incidentally, in 2019 forbes wrote an article saying that they should bring back the catalog. It seems they're in agreement with me here.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/warrenshoulberg/2019/03/21/is-victorias-s
ecret-discontinued-catalog-part-of-its-sales-problem/?sh=340abbc44c80

2020 massive drop in sales doesn't count. It doesn't even matter that they cancelled the yearly televised fashion show in 2019. Everybody was on lock down and binge eating while binge watching and getting fat. They weren't buying lingerie. They were feeling sorry for themselves.

VS is going to lose their asses on this publicity stunt, and somebody else will be there to pick up all of the lost sales.

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Give me liberty or just come shoot me in my house. I'm so over this ridiculous reality.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, June 19, 2021 9:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Have you ever felt the need to alter yourself to appeal to women's fantasies? I'm just curious.

I'm a beast of a man, and a good looking one at that. I also know how to fix cars and remodel houses.

I already am fantasy material for women in a world full of soy cucks and creepy male feminists.

I'm just not relationship material. I'm terrible at relationships and I have no patience for any bullshit. Aside from that, there's nothing that any woman could offer me that I can't do better for myself.

;)

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Give me liberty or just come shoot me in my house. I'm so over this ridiculous reality.

1KIKI

Saturday, June 19, 2021 11:07 AM

Quote:

VS Sales Worldwide from 2010 to 2020, in Millions of USD:
2010 5,520
2011 6,121
2012 6,574
2013 6,884
2014 7,207
2015 7,262
2016 7,781
2017 7,387
2018 7,375
2019 7,509
2020 5,413

Is that in constant dollars? Is that a good market share? Is that a consistent per-store number or do they have to have more stores to keep the same sales?

Apparently women do the bulk of the buying at VS, but women like VS less and less.

from 2018
https://www.forbes.com/sites/pamdanziger/2018/09/08/victorias-secret-m
ay-be-womens-most-beloved-brand-but-thats-not-the-love-it-needs/
The only “likes” that really matter are when women put their money down and make a purchase. In that, Victoria’s Secret is struggling.

from 2018
https://fstoppers.com/fashion/should-victorias-secret-keep-their-signa
ture-style-model-selection-306990
beautiful women for the signature lingerie company are causing them to lose popularity with the younger viewers

from 2019
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/08/victorias-secret-is-retails-latest-fal
len-angel.html
Same-store sales have fallen for the past three years, as women turn away from its bedazzled bras and underwear and opt for comfortable pieces in more neutral colors. A new group of start-ups like Adore Me, Third Love, Lively, Cuup and Knix are surging in popularity on Instagram and winning over customers.

from 2019
https://www.businessinsider.com/experts-reveal-why-women-no-longer-int
erested-in-victorias-secret-2019-9
Victoria Secret's market share dropped from 33% to 24% between 2016 and 2018, and 53 stores are closing this year in the US alone
One of (the trends) is that while women are still seeking sexy underwear, they much prefer for it to still be functional and affordable
a 2018 YouGov survey among 18 to 49-year-olds showed that people are increasingly perceiving the Victoria's Secret brand negatively
Federowski (corporate partner) also recognizes the shift towards simpler, more comfortable lingerie, saying: "I think that many women still want a few pieces of sexy lingerie, but are now looking for something that is still functional, comfortable and, unfortunately, affordable."
... the experts agree that women are now mostly looking for underwear that is uncomplicated, comfortable and subtle — and in many cases cheaper.

I'm getting that VS's problem has been going on for some time. And that it's due to women shopping in increasing numbers for things that they like, not for things that men like (and not for things that other women might find enticing either).

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, June 19, 2021 12:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I think the idea behind the old VS is that women want to conform themselves to be men's fantasies? Maybe women are just tired of spending their time and energy on that? And that that's the reason for the decline in the old VS demographic? Because it does seem like something has changed in the consumer demand. And if it's not the men ...

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I had conjured that women wanted to look feminine, feel feminine, to appeal to the fantasy of A MAN, A specific man. Absent a specific man, then perhaps men generally.
And ... why would women feel it's their job to appeal to the fantasies of A MAN, or men generally, instead of the other way around?

Have you ever felt the need to alter yourself to appeal to women's fantasies? I'm just curious.

So, females of prior generations needed to be squid women, or have their feet amputated? whoopee

I have not felt any need. But, generally speaking, I have let my women decide what haircut I get, within my requirements. Have not had any request a software addition, and I would have not allowed a hardware addition.

I have worn clothes that women have bought me, but didn't exactly pay much attention - but careful to not tell women who it was that bought me any particular clothing.
Although women have told me they were shocked that my shoulders were real, I have never altered my workout to impress them - that I recall. But if they would have asked me to switch to bulk workouts, I would have dumped her - for health reasons.

I've heard that guys are supposed to impress hot babes by being geeks, nerds, being smart. If some chick was impressed primarily by my looks, I would be unimpressed with her unless she had other redeeming qualities.
VS does not appeal to me. I despise pushup bras.

1KIKI

Saturday, June 19, 2021 1:26 PM

So, to be clear, you would not feel the need to be a Micro-Touch Solo man, or any other marketed 'sexy' image.

JAYNEZTOWN

Saturday, June 19, 2021 3:09 PM

Les Wexner sells control of Victoria's Secret amid Epstein Scandal Suicided thing?
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/inside-jeffrey-epsteins-decade
s-long-relationship-with-his-biggest-client
Inside Jeffrey Epstein’s Bond With Leslie Wexner.

Wexner is an American billionaire who founded L Brands, former owner of Victoria's Secret. He had a close relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9148553/Victorias-Secret-mogu
l-Les-Wexner-let-former-friend-Jeffrey-Epstein-abuse-girls-mansion.html

Complaint filed Tuesday alleges that he and his wife Abigail, 59, allowed Epstein to 'use their home for liaisons with victims'

'Over a period of many years, the convicted and now-deceased sex offender, Jeffrey Epstein, had a close social and financial relationship with Mr. Wexner and his wife, defendant Abigail S. Wexner,' the complaint says.

The bombshell allegations are part of a shareholder lawsuit brought against senior leadership at L Brands, the fashion retailer founded and led by Wexner

Around 1990 Epstein was appointed head of Wexner Investment Co – Wexner's 'de facto family office', according to the suit. A year later he was granted power-of-attorney over Wexner's assets.

'The decision effectively demoted Harold Levin, who had then been in charge of the Wexners' personal finances for seven years, and came as a surprise to several people who worked with Mr. Wexner at the time,' it states.

'Some wondered what Mr. Wexner saw in Epstein, whom they described as charismatic but also arrogant and without much formal education in money management.'

The suit recalls how Epstein was appointed director of the Wexner Foundation and Wexner Heritage Foundation and in was involved in his effort to build his own town – dubbed Wexley - in New Albany, outside of Columbus, Ohio.

Wexner - worth an estimated $7.7billion at his height - bought 10,000 acres of land and built neo-Georgian mansions, a golf course, country club and his own luxury compound which includes a $47m, 30-room family residence.

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'Upon information and belief, the Wexners let Epstein use their home for liaisons with victims,' the suit alleges.

'One of Epstein's victims, Virginia Giuffre, has claimed that he directed her to have sex with Mr. Wexner, among others.

'Another victim, Maria Farmer, has accused Abigail Wexner of acquiescence while Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell sexually assaulted her in the New Albany compound and, effectively imprisoned her there and kept her under security guard.'

The suit goes on to list numerous ventures and real estate deals Epstein was involved in and how he oversaw various trusts and entities involved in selling off $1.5 billion of L Brands stock from 1994 to 2002.

During that period it's been widely alleged that Epstein boasted about his ties to the company, in particularly the Victoria's Secret brand, to groom victims.

Bill Clinton bigger Epstein scandal than Prince Andrew says royal author
https://www.newsweek.com/jeffrey-epstein-bill-clinton-prince-andrew-la
dy-colin-campbell-doj-claims-1601076

Inside DaughterFucker Woody Allen’s Close Friendship With Jeffrey Epstein
https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-woody-allens-close-friendship-wit
h-jeffrey-epstein
most tv shows doc didn't touch on this but sure there's a lot here

Wexner sold 55% of Victoria's Secret to the private equity firm Sycamore Partners, which was founded and run by Stefan L Kaluzny. Kaluzny has a long (and it seems important) relationship with Wexner.
In 2007, Kaluzny - as an exec at Golden Gate Partners.In addition, Kaluzny's Sycamore Partners other major investment was in Talbots retail chain. They installed Michael Weiss as CEO, who was one of Les Wexner's most loyal and long-time sidekicks.

https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/victoria-s-secret-is-maki
ng-a-radical-attempt-to-rebrand-itself-20210617-p581r5.html

Victoria’s Secret
a perve

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