Victoria's Secret Switching To Lesbian Lingerie
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Women are attracted to good-looking men, just like men are attracted to good-looking women.
But most women (that I know, anyway) have a height requirement for men. All 3 of the shorter-than-average men that I know had an extremely hard time finding a date, or a mate, altho they were all successful salary-wise. The (1) shorter-than average (Philippino) man that I know who married and stayed married basically had an arranged green card marriage with a Philippina. It was a successful marriage and they cared about each other, ut it was still arranged. The other short man that I know (2) was a fitness buff and quite socially adept, so I think his only disqualifier was his height. And not being plugged tightly into the Phlippino community (altho he was half Philippino) put the "imports" out of reach. The third was pudgy and a buffoon so there were MANY reasons why women might find him unattractive.
Men also prefer women to be shorter than they are, so it's more difficult for a tall women to find a date/mate than one of average height.
AFA men preferring Victoria's Secret models... one of the problems with ads and porn is that they set unrealistic expectations for how women look, what sex should be like etc. so I think there's too much conformity imposed on the both sexes by advertising agencies.
What women "should" look like over the millenia has changed and changed and changed, just as what men "should" look like. Back in prehistory, when the human population was clinging by its fingernails to existence, fecundity was worshipped (women being the rate-limiting step in reproduction: A process can only proceed as quickly as the rate of its slowest step.)
Apparently in Mohenjo-Daro, physical beauty was worshipped (until leprosy,parasites, and all of the disfiguring ailments of long-term habitation w/o sewage treatment reared its ugly head)
In Sparta women were meant to be physically fit
Ancient Etruscan women were co-equal with men
Plump. 
Thin. 
Pale. Fit ... it varies all over the place.
The one invariant is that "beauty" seems to be defined as UPPER CLASS. If youdidn't have to work the fields, your feet could be bound. If you were slavig away in the sun for meager sustenance, beauty was plump and pale.
Now that poor people work indoors and eat junk food, beauty is tan and lean. And of course it helps if you can devote hours ... days ... years ... to dieting, exercising, makeup, beauty scrubs, implants, hair pieces etc etc. because women who DON'T WORK and who DON'T HAVE CHILDREN have all the time in the world to devote to ... their looks.
Airbrushing helps, too.
Kate Winslet, before and after
How things change!
Anyway, back to advertising: While there have always been standards of beauty (and they've almosst always been attached to the upper class) as a society we have NEVER been swamped so relentlessly by images of what we're supposed to buy and how we're supposed to look/have fun/have sex.
I find Victoria's Secret to be stultifying, and prefer my undies to be comfortable and pratical because I'm a hard-working woman.
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That was the point I was trying to introduce. When humans were hanging on by their collective fingernails many tens of thousands of years ago (and before that), it was important than men and women routinely find each other sexy, in order to create offspring. What's 'sexy' isn't limited to VS and this place and time, or to particular commercialized images.
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
So, to be clear, you would not feel the need to be a Micro-Touch Solo man, or any other marketed 'sexy' image.
Nope.
I put no effort into being sexy. I just am because of the choices that I make in life. It's a bi-product of my current lifestyle.
I certainly wasn't sexy when I was 50 lbs overweight and drinking a tanker of Icehouse in a year in between binge-watching so many shows on Netflix that I ran out of good ones and was really watching a lot of garbage, but after I cleaned up and got back into shape, and cut gluten out of my diet, and had an extremely physical job for a few years, and learned a lot of things on my own about how to build and fix things... much of that ability and those tools drawn from my pre-drinking days, I'm sexy just by doing me.
Now, is there some sort of "universal" ideal of sexiness for a man and woman?
Of course not.
A woman who looks at the Micro Touch Solo man and creams her jeans probably isn't going to find my current long hair and (meticulously groomed) lumberjack beard sexy. That's fine with me. I'm not doing it for her. And I'm also not doing it for the ones who do find it sexy. I'm doing it for me.
But there are underlying factors of sexiness that are almost universal. Being born with a naturally attractive face is nice, but not everyone can win the genetic lottery. (Admittedly, despite my good looks, I am what would be considered slightly less than average height for a male in the 2020's, which studies say would cause anywhere from 60 to 80% of women to scroll right past me on dating apps without looking any deeper into my profile. You can't win 'em all).
There are other things you can do to increase your attractiveness to others. Physical fitness is a large one. Incorporating the effort to become physically fit into an activity you enjoy rather than going to the gym and obsessively counting calories every day can make it a fairly easy one too.
Fat, is not sexy. Fat is not a "virtue" that should be taught to young people. They should not be told that it's okay to be lazy and have horrible eating habits. Fat is one of the largest visible indicators to everyone around you that you make poor choices and you are unhealthy because of them.
Not every man finds traditional VS models attractive. For many years, one of the sexiest women on the planet, Kate Upton, was denied being on the VS lineup because she was too "fat".
I think that was the biggest problem that VS had. Their entire model lineup for decades was 100% filled with nearly impossible levels of skinniness. Some of the models may have naturally had the metabolism to keep that shape, but many of them likely did not, and probably did resort to drugs or eating disorders to keep their high paying jobs.
But what's happening right here, right now is an extreme over-correction that is going to kill the brand.
Instead of scrambling to appease the ACTUALLY fat pink haired twitter weirdos in 2021, they should have just let Kate Upton in their lineup and not tell everybody she was fat when they had the chance.
PICTURED: Kate Upton. Not Fat.
And the bottom line is, if VS is going to make the changes that they're talking about making, they're no longer in the lingerie business. They're making comfortable clothing and undergarments, some of which might be moderately sexy, for the overweight population.
Like I said before. That's they're prerogative. But they're not going to change any minds by doing it. They're just going to leave a void behind that somebody else is going to come around to fill. And if the new direction VS takes from here ends up losing them more money while losing their existing clientele, the new CEO will ultimately be fired.
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When I was a kid, people were literally killing each other in the streets of Chicago for their Starter jackets.
Then one day, the Starter brand started selling its line at WalMart.
The chances you're going to get murdered for your Starter jacket today are just about as good as your chances for being murdered for the pair of Wranglers you're wearing, is all I'm sayin'.
VS is going the way of the discount garments for the everywoman.
Hell... It wouldn't surprise me if there is a move in the next decade to close down all of the VS stores which are almost exclusively found in the half-shuttered up malls across America and instead offer their stuff completely online or in a partnership with a company like WalMart.
There's a lot to say about exclusivity, and there was a reason that VS was on top for decades. If this is the path that they choose to continue to go down, they will probably remain a successful company overall (Starter is still selling their stuff at WalMart 2 decades later), but nobody will think of the name VS when they think of lingerie. Instead of having a link like people calling all bandages by any brands "Band-Aids", VS and lingerie will no longer be synonymous or ever mistaken for each other again.
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Quote:In that age, males likely had a permanent erection until death, and any girl with a hole was good enough for penetrating.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
That was the point I was trying to introduce. When humans were hanging on by their collective fingernails many tens of thousands of years ago (and before that), it was important than men and women routinely find each other sexy, in order to create offspring. What's 'sexy' isn't limited to VS and this place and time, or to particular commercialized images.
This template actually persisted for millennia, in the context of war, conquest, raping & pillaging, invading, etc.
Average lifespans were in the 30s, and women were having babies in their teens.
Haven't seen any commercial advertisements unearthed from that time.
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Quote:Logic Failure. Your small viewpoint of your metrosexual life group is showing. Men don't really care what women think. Women are more likely to be attracted to men who stand on their own, don't cave to namby pamby nancy boy soyboy mentalities. The ads you must be watching are trying to capture the aura of the real men who women are attracted to, who are not posing, (or virtue signaling), and who do not tweeze their eyebrows.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Women are attracted to good-looking men, just like men are attracted to good-looking women.
But most women (that I know, anyway) have a height requirement for men. All 3 of the shorter-than-average men that I know had an extremely hard time finding a date, or a mate, altho they were all successful salary-wise. The (1) shorter-than average (Philippino) man that I know who married and stayed married basically had an arranged green card marriage with a Philippina. It was a successful marriage and they cared about each other, ut it was still arranged. The other short man that I know (2) was a fitness buff and quite socially adept, so I think his only disqualifier was his height. And not being plugged tightly into the Phlippino community (altho he was half Philippino) put the "imports" out of reach. The third was pudgy and a buffoon so there were MANY reasons why women might find him unattractive.
Men also prefer women to be shorter than they are, so it's more difficult for a tall women to find a date/mate than one of average height.
AFA men preferring Victoria's Secret models... one of the problems with ads and porn is that they set unrealistic expectations for how women look, what sex should be like etc. so I think there's too much conformity imposed on the both sexes by advertising agencies.
The weak-minded males who are adoring of women who do nothing but nag or blather-spout about their delusions are not the preeminent specimens of strong gene pool.
Quote:In times of starvation and want, fat was the privledge of the wealthy or powerful.
What women "should" look like over the millenia has changed and changed and changed, just as what men "should" look like. Back in prehistory, when the human population was clinging by its fingernails to existence, fecundity was worshipped (women being the rate-limiting step in reproduction: A process can only proceed as quickly as the rate of its slowest step.)
Apparently in Mohenjo-Daro, physical beauty was worshipped (until leprosy,parasites, and all of the disfiguring ailments of long-term habitation w/o sewage treatment reared its ugly head)
In Sparta women were meant to be physically fit
Ancient Etruscan women were co-equal with men
Plump.
Thin.
Pale. Fit ... it varies all over the place.
The one invariant is that "beauty" seems to be defined as UPPER CLASS. If youdidn't have to work the fields, your feet could be bound. If you were slavig away in the sun for meager sustenance, beauty was plump and pale.
Now that poor people work indoors and eat junk food, beauty is tan and lean. And of course it helps if you can devote hours ... days ... years ... to dieting, exercising, makeup, beauty scrubs, implants, hair pieces etc etc. because women who DON'T WORK and who DON'T HAVE CHILDREN have all the time in the world to devote to ... their looks.
Airbrushing helps, too.
Kate Winslet, before and after
How things change!
Anyway, back to advertising: While there have always been standards of beauty (and they've almosst always been attached to the upper class) as a society we have NEVER been swamped so relentlessly by images of what we're supposed to buy and how we're supposed to look/have fun/have sex.
I find Victoria's Secret to be stultifying, and prefer my undies to be comfortable and pratical because I'm a hard-working woman.
In time of plenty, fat was the sign of poor, undisciplined. Many generations of humans have had unlimite
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Quote:First of all I want to thank you for a long and detailed reply. I interpolated a few comments below.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
So, to be clear, you would not feel the need to be a Micro-Touch Solo man, or any other marketed 'sexy' image.
Quote:Which begs the question as to what makes an attractive face. For Inuit, a very round and broad face was considered the height of beauty. Why a round face instead of a long slender one? There doesn't seem to be a genetic survival value to it, so maybe it's because they told themselves so. Maybe it had to do with rarity. When it comes to good looks, peoples often prize what's rare and exotic. Blond straight hair in a planet full of (dominant genetic) brunettes, many with (dominant genetic) kinky or wavy hair, is often more prized.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nope.
I put no effort into being sexy. I just am because of the choices that I make in life. It's a bi-product of my current lifestyle.
I certainly wasn't sexy when I was 50 lbs overweight and drinking a tanker of Icehouse in a year in between binge-watching so many shows on Netflix that I ran out of good ones and was really watching a lot of garbage, but after I cleaned up and got back into shape, and cut gluten out of my diet, and had an extremely physical job for a few years, and learned a lot of things on my own about how to build and fix things... much of that ability and those tools drawn from my pre-drinking days, I'm sexy just by doing me.
Now, is there some sort of "universal" ideal of sexiness for a man and woman?
Of course not.
A woman who looks at the Micro Touch Solo man and creams her jeans probably isn't going to find my current long hair and (meticulously groomed) lumberjack beard sexy. That's fine with me. I'm not doing it for her. And I'm also not doing it for the ones who do find it sexy. I'm doing it for me.
But there are underlying factors of sexiness that are almost universal. Being born with a naturally attractive face is nice, but not everyone can win the genetic lottery.
Quote:'Physical fitness as attractive' isn't a world-wide, millennial-long standard, it's mostly a modern one. The Spartans prized physical fitness in both men and women; the Athenians, not so much. The Wodaabe tribe still favors male beauty (tallness, and white teeth and eyes) where women choose based on looks, over fitness. The Ethiopian Bodi tribe still favors really really fat men over fitness. Hawaiians favored fat people of both sexes, because it meant you were eating pig, which was reserved for VIPs, instead of the common fish and poi diet. It also meant you were eating enough calories to keep ahead of endemic tapeworm - not that they realized that the slimness of the commoners was due to parasites, they just knew that slenderness was common, and fatness was not. As recently as 100 years ago the western world favored plump women with fair skin and a weak (not a whole lot of muscle) build, because, as Signy pointed out, it was an indication of status. As a woman, you weren't doing hard physical labor all day, every day, in the fields, in the hot skin-leathering sun, on poor rations.
(Admittedly, despite my good looks, I am what would be considered slightly less than average height for a male in the 2020's, which studies say would cause anywhere from 60 to 80% of women to scroll right past me on dating apps without looking any deeper into my profile. You can't win 'em all).
There are other things you can do to increase your attractiveness to others. Physical fitness is a large one. Incorporating the effort to become physically fit into an activity you enjoy rather than going to the gym and obsessively counting calories every day can make it a fairly easy one too.
Quote:So an absolutist statement like this, as if it was some kind of genetic human truth, is not congruent with reality. It's just true of some places and some times.
Fat, is not sexy.
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Symmetry oftentimes makes for a good looking face. Maybe it's because my face is more symmetrical than most. Most of the women I have dated in my life were 8's and 9's, even with a few 10's in there, despite the fact that I was never tall or never rich. (Though I've dated models, I never dated any VS models... They are 11's). A majority of them also were the ones who initiated the conversation because back when I cared about such things I was usually too shy to initiate conversation and performed about as well as I do to job interviews to this day. I've never been one to deal well with moments of intense judgement.
It's nice not caring anymore and talking to beautiful women is just as easy as talking to one of the dudes now. Wish I could say the same for my job interview performance.
VS's market share has hardly dipped. I read a story or two that have said that it has, but facts say otherwise. It's not that.
And when you look around and realize that EVERY SINGLE GODDAMNED MAJOR COMPANY out there is pulling similar woke bullshit, I think you're being extremely disingenuous to pretend that it is that, specifically because you are a hard core feminist yourself and you happen to agree with one of the companies this time.
As for tit surgery, just because YOU think it's to please males, that's not a universal truth. My step mom wanted to get fake tits for 10 years. I remember it coming up at a dinner at their house one time and I repeated something I'd heard on the Mancow radio show once and said "9 out of 10 married women who get a boob job are divorced in a year". She never got the tit job, and I never heard her say it again. If anything, NOT getting her tits done was to appeal to male influences in her own life.
Fat is horribly unsexy. We're smart enough to know how unhealthy it is today, and we're not dumbass Hawaiians obliviously walking around with tape worms up their asses all day long. And even among those who were, it wasn't the men who were attracted to fat women. It was the women who were attracted to fat men. That is because millennia of women looking for a provider for a husband and father of her children has evolved into being a gold digger today.
Blaming manufactured food for being fat is like blaming the booze for being a drunk. (Ask me how I know). There is plenty of alternatives out there, and no... they are not more expensive than the crap. That's just another drug-addict cop-out. (Ask me how I know). They just take more work to prepare.
Don't look to me for any fat pity.
VS. wasn't muscled off any perch by anyone. They're caving to the woke mob and making a very poor financial decision.
Once again, we'll look at the numbers 5 years from now and I'll be right about that.
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I've watched a lot of irl 'murder' crime shows b/c I'm curious what distinguishes someone who murders from someone who doesn't. FWIW a lot of people that are labelled 'sociopaths' I've noticed have extremely symmetric faces, especially in their expressions. It's just my guess that normal people, who say one thing while thinking/ feeling/ remembering another feel stress at that divergence, which shows up in their faces. Sociopaths OTOH feel no stress from that, so they have a uniform expression.
Facial symmetry is yet another unproven random throw-away.
Harrison Ford, 'winner of the sexiest man alive' appellation, has an asymmetrical face and an iconic asymmetrical half-smile.
VS is losing market share. The stats say so. If you disagree, come up with other stats about market share; and not total global sales in unknown dollars with an unknown number of stores.
"Fat is horribly unsexy." If you're a US anglo male you might think so, but other ethnic groups and cultures don't necessarily share your tastes.
"We're smart enough to know how unhealthy it is today ..." That's an unproven trope.
https://www.livescience.com/52745-fitness-fatness-obesity-paradox.html
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... numerous epidemiological studies have shown that among people who have heart disease those who are overweight or obese tend to have a better prognosis than those who are leaner. (And) There is increasing evidence suggesting that fitness may in fact play a stronger role in survival than "fatness," Lavie said.
For example, a 2014 meta-analysis published in the journal Progress in Cardiovascular Diseases found that fitness was more important than fatness when it came to long-term mortality. The researchers found that fit people, whether they were a normal weight, overweight or obese, all had similar survival rates (long term mortality), whereas unfit people (no matter if they were normal weight or not) were twice as likely to die.
". And even among those who were, it wasn't the men who were attracted to fat women." Uh .. then why did those fat men prefer fat women? Why did all leaner people prefer fatter people as a standard of good looks?
Well, you obviously think your personal opinions are shared universally by everyone around the globe!
Though I think that mindset might be detrimental to an appreciation of reality.
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If you're just going to keep repeating your incorrect opinions and lies ad nauseam, I think our conversation here is done.
I wish all the luck in the world to VS and their decision to cater to man-hating fatties. And the woke crowd that you apparently are very much a part of.
Sorry not sorry I'm a white dude. Go fuck yourself if you have a problem with that Kiki.
Just don't try telling anybody that you're still in the lingerie business VS, mkay?
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And there's easily thousands upon thousands of similar videos. I just picked the first two.
And there wouldn't be millions spent every year photoshopping and airbrushing celebrity faces in magazines to look symmetrical if this weren't a thing. As attractive as they are, none of celebrities look like they do in magazine photo-shoots and advertisements in real life.
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