HR 1: Election Reform Bill

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, March 11, 2021 6:05 AM

Recap: 20 posts of lies, 0 posts of honest fact.
Out of 57 total poists in the thread.

21st:

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
where IS that list of GOP measures to "restrict the ballot"?

You keep posting about it, but so far I see no none. It's beginning to look like RUSSIA!COLLUSION!! all over again: all hot-air accusations, no substance.
www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/state-voting-bills-tra
cker-2021
As of February 19, 2021, state lawmakers have carried over, prefiled, or introduced 253 bills with provisions that restrict

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voting access in 43 states

About 134,000,000 stories on bills restrict voting access:
https://www.google.com/search?q=bills+restrict+voting+access

FIFY.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, March 11, 2021 6:06 AM

22nd:

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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As of February 19, 2021, state lawmakers have carried over, prefiled, or introduced 253 bills with provisions that restrict voting access in 43 states
So, are these LEGITIMATE restrictions?

After all, we DO restrict voting! You must be a citizen, and over a certain age.

I would add that you must be able to provide proof of both your identity AND your citizenship, and follow whatever procedures are required to validate absentee or mail-in ballots.

Seems pretty brain-dead simple to me!

Now, on IT'S part, the state/county must provide secure and validate-able voting procedures, and follow them diligently in order to ensure that legitimate ballots aren't diluted with illegitimate ones.

Also pretty brain-dead simple!
Simple: stop

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Democrats from voting. Once passed, these laws will become Federal Court cases. The Republican legislators who voted for the laws will have their words as evidence that stopping
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Democrats was their intention. This will end with years of litigation in hundreds of cases. HR-1 will override all these cases, but HR-1 will itself be litigated for years, going all the way to the Supreme Court, much the same as Obamacare went to the Supreme Court.

FIFY.

Repeating the same lies over and over again does not make them true.

SECOND

Thursday, March 11, 2021 6:09 AM

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Meanwhile, and BACK ON TOPIC ...

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90,000 Ballots in Largest Nevada County Sent to Wrong Addresses, Bounced Back: Report
By Petr Svab
March 10, 2021 Updated: March 10, 2021

More than 90,000 ballots mailed to registered voters in Nevada’s largest county were returned undeliverable, according to an analysis of the election data by a conservative legal group.
So, OOC, how were these envelopes "bounced back" as "undeliverable"? Was it because no such address existed?

Or did it depend on the honesty of the recipient, who dutifully noted to the mail carrier that no such person lived there, and were returned?

Because if it depended on the honesty of the recipient, it would be far too easy for someone to say "Oh, hey! A Ballot that I get to use!". And since NOBODY was validating IDs, anyone could use one.

Hello Signym! Nevada County, California, says in the video that: "Every vote by mail ballots is carefully checked to ensure a voter did not vote elsewhere and that the signature on the envelope matches the voter's signature in the registration record."

A voter can check into the status of their mail in ballot (mailed, returned, counted or rejected) at https://voterstatus.sos.ca.gov/

If that is not good enough for you, Signym, complain to the government in California about that.
https://mynevadacounty.com/740/Vote-By-Mail

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, March 11, 2021 6:09 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Republicans Are Wasting Their Time With Vote Suppression Bills

Kevin Drum, March 9, 2021 – 10:34 am

Republicans have introduced a huge raft of bills in red states that would restrict

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voting in federal elections. And make no mistake: these bills are partisan cruise missiles aimed solely at reducing the Democratic vote.
Wow! Libtards finally admit that the illegal voting fraud is solely a Democrap operation!!

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They are loathsome.

But they are also pretty conventional. For the most part, they include all the old-school Republican favorites like restrictions on Sunday voting, photo ID laws, and so forth. These are all things Republicans have been promoting for years, and none of them have turned out to be all that effective. In some cases this is because they simply don't affect very many votes, while in others it's because they spur a backlash that prompts Democratic-leaning voters to turn out in higher numbers.

The big new addition to this arsenal is an attack on mail voting. Republicans are apparently convinced that this cost them the 2020 election, but it turns out these bills are just more of the same old ineffectual rubbish. Ian Millhiser describes a natural study of Texas voters:

Texas is one of a handful of states that discriminate on the basis of age when determining who may vote absentee: Voters over the age of 65 are allowed to request an absentee ballot, but most voters under that age are required to vote in person. The researchers at Stanford’s Democracy and Polarization Lab compared turnout rates among 65-year-olds in Texas’s 2020 elections — that is, among voters who were eligible to vote absentee — to the turnout rates among 64-year-olds who mostly could not vote by mail.

They found that “65-year-olds in Texas turned out in 2020 at almost exactly the same rate as 64-year-olds, even though roughly 18% of 65-year-olds voted absentee while only 3% of 64-year-olds voted absentee.”

The end result was that 65-year-olds were more Democratic than 64-year-olds by 0.2 percentage points, a difference too small to even be meaningful.

Other studies have shown the same thing: All of these anti-mail measures have only a very tiny effect. It may make Republicans feel good to demonstrate a whirlwind of activity that Fox News is happy to spin as "protecting against fraudulent votes," but in the end it doesn't really buy them much.

On a moral plane, this does nothing to excuse what they're doing. But on a practical plane, it means they're mostly wasting their time.

https://jabberwocking.com/republicans-are-wasting-their-time-with-vote
-suppression-bills/

Kevin Drum again? Is your lies detector stuck on him, so he is the only liar you can quote? Did he get fired from mother jones for lying too much? Or did you endeavor to quote his lies through another site, just to try and trick folk?

Anyhow, Sigs demolishes this nonsense in the post right after.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, March 11, 2021 6:10 AM

24th:

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Of course, it would NEVER occur to this apparently brain-dead partisan that these measures are meant to ensure the integrity of the vote, and to obviate questions of fraud before they come up.
The Trumptards didn't give a goddamn about "these measures meant to ensure the integrity of the vote" until Trump lost, then the Trumptards went berserk, with hundreds of bills that they imagine will keep Trump from ever losing again in exactly the same way. Bring it on, moron Trumptards! Please nominate Trump in 2024! If he runs, HR-1 requires him to reveal his income tax returns in Title X—Presidential and Vice Presidential Tax Transparency. If he won't, the IRS will do it without Trump's permission and make the results public. Too bad, Trumptards, if your man is a tax cheat.

kiki deflates this windbag about 5 posts later.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, March 11, 2021 6:10 AM

25th:

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
^ Trumptard.

HR 1 will never pass, Trumptard.
Title X—Presidential and Vice Presidential Tax Transparency will pass. There will be no more tax cheaters elected President which means Mike Pence and Ted Cruz are most likely the next Republican President and Vice-President. Learn to love those two, 6ix, because Fatso can't get reelected after stealing $billions in tax money. Trump's lawyers will be in a life and death struggle to keep him from going bankrupt because of unpaid tax obligations. I hope his lawyers lose the contest before he dies so Fatso can watch all his money be taken away.

taxes?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, March 11, 2021 6:11 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
If there's one Trumptard here who doesn't seem to care about the integrity of the vote - considering how often you refuse to address the Vote Project's recommendations - that would be you.
It would be Trump:

Donald Trump (Unironically) Requests a Mail-In Ballot Ahead of Palm Beach Municipal Election
March 10, 2021 9:55 AM

Ever since Nov. 3, and in fact for many months before Election Day, Donald Trump railed on and on about the existential danger to democracy that mail-in voting presented. It was, of course, all self-serving hooey. Trump voted (for himself) in Florida by mail in the March 2020 presidential primary and then again in an August 2020 primary, his family routinely votes by mail, and a quarter of all American ballots cast in the 2016 election — won by Trump — were cast via the post. But Trump’s voting lies got bigger and bolder and now a significant portion of the Republican Party doesn’t trust the 2020 election result and are using this concocted suspicion to make it harder to vote in Republican-controlled states across the country. Their biggest target? Mail-in voting.

More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/03/donald-trump-requests-mail
-in-ballot-florida-palm-beach-municipal-election.html

SECOND

Thursday, March 11, 2021 6:15 AM

JewelStaiteFan, why are you posting again and again everything "second" already posted? What is the game you are playing? What is your purpose?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:13 AM

He's just pointing out all of your lies.

Don't worry, bruh. Nobody but JSF read them the second time either.

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Collection of links to Second's, Nilbog's and Marcos' death threats: https://cutt.ly/tkCvEX6

SECOND

Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:19 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
He's just pointing out all of your lies.

Don't worry, bruh. Nobody but JSF read them the second time either.

JewelStaiteFan did diddly-squat. He did NOT point out lies.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:31 AM

HR 1: Election Reform Bill

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HR-1 is Congress' latest attempt, strongly motivated by the messiness of the 2020 election.

Did they, like, time travel when they addressed elections that hadn't happened yet?

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1
Sponsor: Rep. Sarbanes, John P. [D-MD-3] (Introduced 01/03/2019)
Committees: House - House Administration; Intelligence (Permanent Select); Judiciary; Oversight and Reform; Science, Space, and Technology; Education and Labor; Ways and Means; Financial Services; Ethics; Homeland Security
Committee Meetings: 02/26/19 1:00PM 02/06/19 10:00AM

1KIKI

Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:34 AM

HR 1: Election Reform Bill

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k - I read that bill a month or 2 ago. Unless it's been changed in that time, the one thing it DOESN'T have that would definitely improve the entire election process is a validation requirement and protocol, specifically, statistical study like the one highlighted by the Mitofsky Report, as a basis for closer vote examination.
It sure would be nice to be able to demonstrate there were no signs of mass cheating, and if there were, to be able to go back and conduct a good examination of when, how, and who.

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This is the bill introduced in House (01/04/2021). If you didn't see it, you were wrong again:
nothing indicating statistical evaluation of the vote as exemplified by the Mitofsky Report and strongly recommended by the Vote Project

fify

1KIKI

Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:35 AM

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HR-1 mentions reports 454 times.

but nothing like the statistical evaluation exemplified by the Mitofsky report and strongly recommended bu the CalTech/ MIT Vote project.

fify

1KIKI

Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:38 AM

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Not unexpected that Trumptard states have an abundance of high school dropouts.

fails to address WHY states should allow 16 year-olds to register when they can't vote

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:42 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
He's just pointing out all of your lies.

Don't worry, bruh. Nobody but JSF read them the second time either.
JewelStaiteFan did diddly-squat. He did NOT point out lies.

All one needs to do to point out when you're lying is quote you word for word.

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" 'You're like the Nazis' is the new 'I don't like you'. That disqualifies her from marching around planet Who-Gives-a-Shit in a helmet? ~Bill Maher

Collection of links to Second's, Nilbog's and Marcos' death threats: https://cutt.ly/tkCvEX6

1KIKI

Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:45 AM

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why stop with requiring a diploma? Go all the way and require a certain amount of wealth before you can vote.

This is a strawman argument, which also has nothing to do with HR 1: Election Reform Bill.

1KIKI

Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:48 AM

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In Texas, the zip codes with the higher percent registered voters get better services.

This is another logical fallacy (fallacy is another word for lie) post hoc ergo propter hoc. And it also has nothing to do with HR 1: Election Reform Bill.

1KIKI

Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:50 AM

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It has everything to do with why Trumptards would be opposed to HR-1. They do NOT want to be pressured to provide more services to zip codes with more youngsters

And repeated.

1KIKI

Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:50 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
You mean the very few percent of 16 to <18 yr old non-voters who might register is going to make a substantial difference in how resources get apportioned across the country? Remember, we're talking about that very narrow demographic. Not about "under 19", or "youngsters", but that very narrow age range.

So, you got a link for that? Because if not, I'll just file this under 'more ignorable junk' from SECOND.

unanswered

1KIKI

Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:52 AM

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The quantity of old, white Trumptards is shrinking while the quantity of young, non-white Libtards is growing. That is why the Republican Party is opposed to HR-1.

This is yet another logical post hoc ergo propter hoc 'fallacy'.

SECOND

Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:52 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

HR 1: Election Reform Bill

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HR-1 is Congress' latest attempt, strongly motivated by the messiness of the 2020 election.
Did they, like, time travel when they addressed elections that hadn't happened yet?

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1
Sponsor: Rep. Sarbanes, John P. [D-MD-3] (Introduced 01/03/2019)
Committees: House - House Administration; Intelligence (Permanent Select); Judiciary; Oversight and Reform; Science, Space, and Technology; Education and Labor; Ways and Means; Financial Services; Ethics; Homeland Security
Committee Meetings: 02/26/19 1:00PM 02/06/19 10:00AM

Two different bills:

H.R.1 - For the People Act of 2019
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1
H.R.1 - For the People Act of 2021
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:53 AM

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The GOP maintains a list of insane people suitable for office if enough advertising money is spent to make them look sane.

This is pure comedy!!

1KIKI

Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:56 AM

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]I will insult you and your kind some more: Sad watching the fat man blundering through his Presidency. Sad watching 75,000,000 Trumptards stumble through life.

And this is a post from someone STILL so obsessed with Trump he can't even keep to his own topic HR 1: Election Reform Bill.

1KIKI

Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:59 AM

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March 07, 2021 • Presidential Actions

And a post about an Executive Order as meaningless as the one about new drilling leases but not existing ones ... on Federal land only ... but maybe not on reservations ... being delayed ... but not forbidden ... because THAT'LL stop global warming!

SECOND

Thursday, March 11, 2021 8:00 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

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The quantity of old, white Trumptards is shrinking while the quantity of young, non-white Libtards is growing. That is why the Republican Party is opposed to HR-1.
This is yet another logical post hoc ergo propter hoc 'fallacy'.

"Since event Y followed event X, event Y must have been caused by event X." Work that out for me, 1kiki. What is event X? Event Y? And Y should anyone care what a Russian troll writes? Explain yourself in excruciating detail since you get paid rubles by the word.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Thursday, March 11, 2021 8:14 AM

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Is there some important reason why Republicans don't want people to vote? There is. The GOP has introduced hundreds of bills in the state legislatures in the last 3 months to reduce the number of voters.

This is an ipse dixit logical 'fallacy'.

1KIKI

Thursday, March 11, 2021 8:24 AM

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These measures are being passed in reaction to provably false claims that the 2020 election was stolen, despite record numbers of audits, lawsuits, and government findings that the election was one of the most secure in American history.

Which doesn't mean the election was valid, only that particular claims were rejected - sometimes(often?) for lack of standing, not because of any evidence one way or the other.

There's nothing to indicate the results weren't manipulated in a major way.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, March 11, 2021 8:25 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
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why stop with requiring a diploma? Go all the way and require a certain amount of wealth before you can vote.
This is a strawman argument, which also has nothing to do with HR 1: Election Reform Bill.

To consider the proposition seriously, it would be because the Electorate for the past 200 years should (hopefully, but not proven) understand the concepts, responsibilities, duties, risks and rewards of this new form of Republic, this historic experiment in democracy.
At the incubancy, infancy, formative years, such was not true as applied to the British Rule, but for those who had funds and land.

1KIKI

Thursday, March 11, 2021 8:25 AM

Anyway, this is my reprise of SECOND's posts, page one. It should be abundantly clear why I posted this.

SECOND

Thursday, March 11, 2021 8:28 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

This is an ipse dixit logical 'fallacy'.

It is fallacy to believe the filibuster prevents HR-1 from passing. If Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) is willing, HR-1 passes. If not, then not.

The mighty filibuster, the scourge of American governance for so many decades, was little more than one of those emperor-has-no-clothes things. As soon as a single person pointed out the truth, everyone blinked and suddenly realized that there had never been anything there in the first place. The majority party had always had the ability to pass anything it wanted with 51 votes. It took nothing more than the will to do it and the recognition that the other party could do it too. Far from requiring a nuclear option, it turns out that ending the filibuster required only the faintest breath to make it vanish in the breeze like a dried out dandelion.

Details at https://jabberwocking.com/the-filibuster-is-nothing-but-a-mirage/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, March 11, 2021 8:28 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
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The GOP maintains a list of insane people suitable for office if enough advertising money is spent to make them look sane.
This is pure comedy!!

Perhaps Texans have not been exposed to the "news" that Basement Biden was declared "winner" after a strenuous campaign for President.

1KIKI

Thursday, March 11, 2021 8:47 AM

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H.R.1 - For the People Act of 2019
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1
H.R.1 - For the People Act of 2021
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1

Oh, you mean they ignored the very first bill and drafted another one from scratch?

Really?

You mean, like this?

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Shown Here:
Passed House (03/08/2019)

For the People Act of 2019

This bill addresses voter access, election integrity, election security, political spending, and ethics for the three branches of government.

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Shown Here:
Introduced in House (01/04/2021)

For the People Act of 2021

This bill addresses voter access, election integrity and security, campaign finance, and ethics for the three branches of government.

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Specifically, the bill expands voter registration and voting access and limits removing voters from voter rolls.

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Specifically, the bill expands voter registration (e.g., automatic and same-day registration) and voting access (e.g., vote-by-mail and early voting). It also limits removing voters from voter rolls.

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The bill provides for states to establish independent, nonpartisan redistricting commissions.

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The bill requires states to establish independent redistricting commissions to carry out congressional redistricting.

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The bill also sets forth provisions related to election security, including sharing intelligence information with state election officials, protecting the security of the voter rolls, supporting states in securing their election systems, developing a national strategy to protect the security and integrity of U.S. democratic institutions, establishing in the legislative branch the National Commission to Protect United States Democratic Institutions, and other provisions to improve the cybersecurity of election systems.

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Additionally, the bill sets forth provisions related to election security, including sharing intelligence information with state election officials, supporting states in securing their election systems, developing a national strategy to protect U.S. democratic institutions, establishing in the legislative branch the National Commission to Protect United States Democratic Institutions, and other provisions to improve the cybersecurity of election systems.

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This bill addresses campaign spending, including by expanding the ban on foreign nationals contributing to or spending on elections; expanding disclosure rules pertaining to organizations spending money during elections, campaign advertisements, and online platforms; and revising disclaimer requirements for political advertising.
This bill establishes an alternative campaign funding system for certain federal offices. The system involves federal matching of small contributions for qualified candidates.

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Further, the bill addresses campaign finance, including by expanding the prohibition on campaign spending by foreign nationals, requiring additional disclosure of campaign-related fundraising and spending, requiring additional disclaimers regarding certain political advertising, and establishing an alternative campaign funding system for certain federal offices.

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This bill sets forth provisions related to ethics in all three branches of government. Specifically, the bill requires a code of ethics for federal judges and justices, prohibits Members of the House from serving on the board of a for-profit entity, expands enforcement of regulations governing foreign agents, and establishes additional conflict-of-interest and ethics provisions for federal employees and the White House.

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, March 11, 2021 8:59 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Meanwhile, and BACK ON TOPIC ...
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90,000 Ballots in Largest Nevada County Sent to Wrong Addresses, Bounced Back: Report
By Petr Svab
March 10, 2021 Updated: March 10, 2021

More than 90,000 ballots mailed to registered voters in Nevada’s largest county were returned undeliverable, according to an analysis of the election data by a conservative legal group.
So, OOC, how were these envelopes "bounced back" as "undeliverable"? Was it because no such address existed?

Or did it depend on the honesty of the recipient, who dutifully noted to the mail carrier that no such person lived there, and were returned?

Because if it depended on the honesty of the recipient, it would be far too easy for someone to say "Oh, hey! A Ballot that I get to use!". And since NOBODY was validating IDs, anyone could use one.
Hello Signym! Nevada County, California, says in the video that: "Every vote by mail ballots is carefully checked to ensure a voter did not vote elsewhere and that the signature on the envelope matches the voter's signature in the registration record."

A voter can check into the status of their mail in ballot (mailed, returned, counted or rejected) at https://voterstatus.sos.ca.gov/

If that is not good enough for you, Signym, complain to the government in California about that.
https://mynevadacounty.com/740/Vote-By-Mail

For anybody who is not a moron, or is not geographically illiterate, what does Clark County, Nevada (Las Vegas Metro) have to do with Nevada County, California (Truckee, and near Sacramento)?

SECOND

Thursday, March 11, 2021 9:49 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

For anybody who is not a moron, or is not geographically illiterate, what does Clark County, Nevada (Las Vegas Metro) have to do with Nevada County, California (Truckee, and near Sacramento)?

If a county wants to vote by mail, whiny little Trumptards can't stop them. And HR-1 won't stop vote by mail, either. But not to worry because Sen. Joe Manchin decides whether or not HR-1 passes and he is leaning in the direction that pleases Trumptards. I don't know which way he will fall. He probably doesn't know.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210310225509/https://www.theepochtimes.c
om/90000-ballots-in-largest-nevada-county-sent-to-wrong-addresses-bounced-back-report_3728414.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 11, 2021 11:58 AM

Well, I hate to say it but SECONDRATE, when not kyping other people's opinions, is shown to be a complete moron.

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THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, March 11, 2021 6:03 PM

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Originally posted by second:
It is fallacy to believe the filibuster prevents HR-1 from passing. If Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) is willing, HR-1 passes. If not, then not.

Is that right?

Why isn't $15 minimum wage passed tomorrow then?

Why were progressives pushing so hard to get it into the "American Rescue Plan Act"?

Why was Bernie Sanders so desperate to keep it in ARPA that he argued increasing the minimum wage couldn't be struck down by the Byrd Rule since, by his own admission, it would have a direct impact on the budget by making goods and services cost more money for the Government?

Maybe we can break the rules whenever we'd like to now...

We just don't want to break them to raise the minimum wage.

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SECOND

Thursday, March 11, 2021 6:54 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
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Originally posted by second:
It is fallacy to believe the filibuster prevents HR-1 from passing. If Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) is willing, HR-1 passes. If not, then not.

Is that right?

Why isn't $15 minimum wage passed tomorrow then?

Why were progressives pushing so hard to get it into the "American Rescue Plan Act"?

Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV) did not want $15/hr, so it didn't pass. Manchin said on TV that he is uncomfortable about spoiling other Democrats' plans but too bad because that how they do things in West Virginia. Probably next on Manchin's kill list is any spending bills on infrastructure.

Manchin on his veto power over Biden agenda: 'It's not a good place to be'. When he said that, he was laughing and smiling. It is a GREAT place to be, is what he meant.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/10/politics/joe-manchin-biden-agenda/index
.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 11, 2021 10:18 PM

So, let' recap what SECONDRATE has posted.

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Congress should set the rules for registration and voting and they should be the same for every state. This is so obvious that it barely even needs to be defended.

However, all of the changes to the vote were made by amending the Constitution, not by simply passing a bill. My guess is that, if HR1 were to be passed and come before the Supreme Court, it would be found unconstitutional.

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Every county in Texas has a different voting system. There is some overlap in the systems used in different counties because the clerk in one county might ask how they run elections in the four adjacent counties, but it is very nonuniform in different places and in some counties pretty damn close to chaos. I hope others states have more sensible systems, but the recounts and court cases in 2020 show that there is far too much flexibility in how each county or city can run their little piece of a national election.

Uh ... so what? There are many ways to vote, and many ways to count votes. As long as each county can guarantee that the vote is secure and can be audited (i.e. auditable records kept) the only way that this diversity could be challenged, I imagine, is under the "equal protection" clause of the Constitution.

I would strongly prefer HANDMARKED PAPER BALLOTS, COUNTED BY HAND IN PUBLIC, but that's for ech State Secretary to decide.

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SECOND

Thursday, March 11, 2021 11:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, let' recap what SECONDRATE has posted.

However, all of the changes to the vote were made by amending the Constitution, not by simply passing a bill.

NOT a Constitutional amendment: The Voting Rights Act of 1965 is a landmark piece of federal legislation in the United States that prohibits racial discrimination in voting. Congress later amended the Act five times to expand its protections.

Voting Rights Act Amendments of 1970
Voting Rights Act Amendments of 1975
Voting Rights Act Amendments of 1982
Voting Rights Language Assistance Act of 1992
Voting Rights Act Reauthorization and Amendments Act of 2006

Furious Republicans have been arguing that the Act is unconstitutional since it passed. Should HR-1 pass, furious Republicans will argue it, too, is unconstitutional unless the constitution is amended, but that has been the Republican argument since 1965. Losing case after case never changes Republican certainty about the complete unconstitutional of the Act.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act_of_1965#Constitutional
ity

As expected, Republicans have taken several other voting laws to court in order to get those declared unconstitutional:

Help America Vote Act (HAVA)
National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA)
Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act (UOCAVA)

Republicans won about as many cases involving voting acts as Trump won cases to get himself declared the winner in 2020, but the Republicans keep trying to overthrow everything as unconstitutional.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Friday, March 12, 2021 2:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, let' recap what SECONDRATE has posted.

However, all of the changes to the vote were made by amending the Constitution, not by simply passing a bill.
NOT a Constitutional amendment: The Voting Rights Act of 1965 is a landmark piece of federal legislation in the United States that prohibits racial discrimination in voting. Congress later amended the Act five times to expand its protections.

Voting Rights Act Amendments of 1970
Voting Rights Act Amendments of 1975
Voting Rights Act Amendments of 1982
Voting Rights Language Assistance Act of 1992
Voting Rights Act Reauthorization and Amendments Act of 2006

But based on CONSTITUTIONAL provisions.

For example, setting the legal voting age to 18 (from 21), changing the nature if selection from state Legislatures to direct election, giving freed slaves and women the right to vote were all Constitutional amendments.

HR1 seeks to make similar- scope changes that directly contradict portions of the Constitution.

Also don't forget the voting rights act was challenged in the Supreme Court as discriminatory against certain states.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/94-203.ZO.html

If I were to write a bill that would address real problems but still fall within the "equal protections" clause of the Constitution, I would require that voting procedures be auditable and able to be challenged in court.

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SECOND

Friday, March 12, 2021 3:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:

But based on CONSTITUTIONAL provisions.

For example, . . .

Signym, Republicans have always screamed about the "unconstitutionality" of everything they dislike. HR-1 is the most recent example. When enough justices from the Federalist Society are on the Federal Courts, the Republicans will start winning based on "unconstitutionality", a word thrown around too often by Republicans.

The GOP's legal moves have always been based upon first shouting "No!" Long after, their most talented lawyers come up with arguments that dazzle the yokels, but it is always a shout of "NO!" underneath the phony-baloney legal reasoning.

Sam Alito Delivers Grievance-Laden, Ultra-Partisan Speech to the Federalist Society. The Supreme Court justice railed against COVID restrictions, same-sex marriage, abortion, and the alleged persecution of conservatives.
https://web.archive.org/web/20201113112504/https://slate.com/news-and-
politics/2020/11/alito-federalist-society-speech-insane.html

At least one justice is clearly a bitter partisan out to settle scores with the left. Flouting his ethical obligations, Alito waded into fierce political debates over public health during a pandemic, reproductive rights, LGBTQ equality, and other issues that routinely come before his court. It is wildly inappropriate for a justice to assume the role of Fox News commentators, and unwise in light of progressives’ mounting doubt about the Supreme Court’s legitimacy. Trump stacked the judiciary with judges just like him, who learned from the Federalist Society how to cloak Republican policies in the guise of conservative judicial philosophies.

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, March 12, 2021 6:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, let' recap what SECONDRATE has posted.

However, all of the changes to the vote were made by amending the Constitution, not by simply passing a bill.
NOT a Constitutional amendment: The Voting Rights Act of 1965 is a landmark piece of federal legislation in the United States that prohibits racial discrimination in voting. Congress later amended the Act five times to expand its protections.

Voting Rights Act Amendments of 1970
Voting Rights Act Amendments of 1975
Voting Rights Act Amendments of 1982
Voting Rights Language Assistance Act of 1992
Voting Rights Act Reauthorization and Amendments Act of 2006

Furious Republicans have been arguing that the Act is unconstitutional since it passed. Should HR-1 pass, furious Republicans will argue it, too, is unconstitutional unless the constitution is amended, but that has been the Republican argument since 1965. Losing case after case never changes Republican certainty about the complete unconstitutional of the Act.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act_of_1965#Constitutional
ity

As expected, Republicans have taken several other voting laws to court in order to get those declared unconstitutional:

Help America Vote Act (HAVA)
National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA)
Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act (UOCAVA)

Republicans won about as many cases involving voting acts as Trump won cases to get himself declared the winner in 2020, but the Republicans keep trying to overthrow everything as unconstitutional.

Are you trying to set records for the number of lies in a single post?

Too many to recount.

Some:
VRA 1965 was specifically authorized by the Enforcement Clause of the 15th Amendment to The Constitution (meaning Part Of The Constitution).
It expired after 5 years, necessitating 1970 to continue enforcement, which also expired in 5 years. Thus 1975, which expired in 7 years, and 1982, for 25 years.

As with all of the Civil Rights Acts, and Voting Rights Acts (Blacks, former Slaves, Women, etc), Congress could not pass any of them until enough Republicans were elected to Congress to overcome the Democrap chokehold on common sense Rights. Before passage, VRA was informally known as the Dirksenbach Act (Dirksen was R-IL.)
VRA was very specifically purposed to cease Dixiecrat Libtard Democrats practices and policies, continuing since 1957.

Rights are always a Republican and conservative victory, always a Libtard Democrap Socialist Progressive Marxist defeat.

SECOND

Friday, March 12, 2021 5:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Are you trying to set records for the number of lies in a single post?

Too many to recount.

Some:
VRA 1965 was specifically authorized by the Enforcement Clause of the 15th Amendment to The Constitution (meaning Part Of The Constitution).
It expired after 5 years, necessitating 1970 to continue enforcement, which also expired in 5 years. Thus 1975, which expired in 7 years, and 1982, for 25 years.

As with all of the Civil Rights Acts, and Voting Rights Acts (Blacks, former Slaves, Women, etc), Congress could not pass any of them until enough Republicans were elected to Congress to overcome the Democrap chokehold on common sense Rights. Before passage, VRA was informally known as the Dirksenbach Act (Dirksen was R-IL.)
VRA was very specifically purposed to cease Dixiecrat Libtard Democrats practices and policies, continuing since 1957.

Rights are always a Republican and conservative victory, always a Libtard Democrap Socialist Progressive Marxist defeat.

I have an advantage that you don't have, JewelStaiteFan. I can remember the passage of this law and clearly remember the people who were pleased or upset by it. For example, the Republican that co-sponsored the Voting Rights Act - Everett Dirksen - had nothing in common with the Trumptards of today's Senate. And the Texans upset by the Act of 1965 - who voted Democrat at the time - in the years after 1965 would be switching to Republican and voting for Nixon. None of the switchers are still alive, but their children became full blooded Trumptards who hate with a passion HR-1. It seems to be an inherited character trait of Trumptards to brag about qualities and abilities they don't actually possess and to accuse others of lying when it is the Trumptard who is lying. Trump is the best documented example of that trait.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everett_Dirksen#Early_life
Everett McKinley Dirksen's immigrant parents spoke a Low German dialect at home, and taught German to their children, but Johann had lived in the United States long enough to become politically aware; the middle names of all three boys were a nod to his Republican Party leanings.

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SIGNYM

Friday, March 12, 2021 9:39 PM

JO and I were discussing the harmful effect of political parties on government.

ONE way to reduce the influence of political parties is to have the President and Vice President run separately. That would increase the chances that they might be of different parties.

Another way is for the FCC to REQUIRE that all broadcast media provide an equal amount of free primetime airtime (say, one hour per week) to ALL candidates who exceed a certain polling threshold, and that ... as part of their section 230 protections, all large platforms provide equal and easily-identifiable space to the same candidates to air their views and promote their platforms.

In addition, as part of their 230 protections, platforms must demonstrate that they are providing an unbiased space, only censoring speech that is illegal.

The cost of entry of a third party is huge, and part of that cost is advertising, so, while not "election reforms" per se, they should have a positive effect on the ability of non-establishment candidates to make their mark, and fall well within the purview of Congress.

The whole concept of limiting donations to candidates is pointless. It has never worked in the past. The best you can do is require that they be made public.

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SECOND

Friday, March 12, 2021 9:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
JO and I were discussing the harmful effect of political parties on government.

ONE way to reduce the influence of political parties is to have the President and Vice President run separately. That would increase the chances that they might be of different parties.

Look at the present. Would it be good if Mike Pence was Vice-President right now, rather than Kamala Harris? Harris was the tie-breaking vote for passing the American Rescue Plan Act of 2021. No Republicans voted for that bill and I think I can safely assume that if Mike Pence was Biden's V.P., Pence would not have voted for the bill. By the way, Republican voters don't hate that bill; only Republican politicians hate it because it is a Democrat's bill.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1319/actions

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SIGNYM

Friday, March 12, 2021 10:14 PM

Quote:
JO and I were discussing the harmful effect of political parties on government.
ONE way to reduce the influence of political parties is to have the President and Vice President run separately. That would increase the chances that they might be of different parties.

SECONDRATE: Look at the present. Would it be good if Mike Pence was Vice-President right now, rather than Kamala Harris?

YES.

Quote:
Harris was the tie-breaking vote for passing the American Rescue Plan Act of 2021. No Republicans voted for that bill and I think I can safely assume that if Mike Pence was Biden's V.P., Pence would not have voted for the bill. By the way, Republican voters don't hate that bill; only Republican politicians hate it because it is a Democrat's bill.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1319/actions

The ONLY reason why you don't like the idea is bc, in this term, it might mean a GOP VP to a Dem President.

But next time around, it might mean a Dem VP to a GOP President.

I think that would FORCE Congress to write bills that are acceptable to BOTH parties, rather thn steamrolling bills along partisan lines. It's what the FF envisioned.

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SECOND

Friday, March 12, 2021 10:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The ONLY reason why you don't like the idea is bc, in this term, it might mean a GOP VP to a Dem President.

But next time around, it might mean a Dem VP to a GOP President.

I think that would FORCE Congress to write bills that are acceptable to BOTH parties, rather thn steamrolling bills along partisan lines. It's what the FF envisioned.

What you are so certain will lead to compromise would actually lead to even worse gridlock. If Jefferson Davis had been Abraham Lincoln's V.P. the Federal government could not have functioned because Davis's goals were incompatible with Lincoln's, just as today the GOP's goals are literally, not figuratively, at war with the Democratic Party's goals. Look at the Democrats' platform. Compare it to the GOP's. You will see that the two cannot come to a compromise.

https://ballotpedia.org/The_Republican_Party_Platform,_2020
https://ballotpedia.org/The_Democratic_Party_Platform,_2020

National Political Party Platforms
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/presidential-documents-archi
ve-guidebook/party-platforms-and-nominating-conventions-3

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SIGNYM

Friday, March 12, 2021 11:37 PM

If a nation is so polarized andore or less evenly divided, sometimes standing still is the best thing to do.

But even tho there may be extreme divisions on a few ideas, there are still large area of agreement.

With rare exceptions, everyone needs the same things:
Good food to eat.
A safe place to live and sleep.
Agency over their individual and collective futures.
Care for the very young, the sick, disabled, and the elderly.
A clean environment to live in.

Nobody likes corruption.
We almost all need meaningful jobs at living wages.
We can end our endless wars THIS YEAR.

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SIGNYM

Friday, March 12, 2021 11:41 PM

What about the other reforms I proposed? Aren't they meaningful and within the purview of the Federal government?

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SECOND

Saturday, March 13, 2021 12:05 AM

I am not putting in the effort to shoot down each of your so-called "areas of agreement", but it is easy to disagree if you want to be disagreeable. ** disagreeable opposition to everything ** is inserted between ** and **

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
If a nation is so polarized and more or less evenly divided, sometimes standing still is the best thing to do. ** HR-1 is Unconstitutional. And America should stand still, by which I mean do nothing, on coal burning, Covid-19, gun control. **

But even tho there may be extreme divisions on a few ideas, there are still large area of agreement.

With rare exceptions, everyone needs the same things:
Good food to eat. ** Americans are overweight and under exercised **
A safe place to live and sleep. ** If you can't pay the rent, you don't deserve sleep and I certainly don't want cheaper or free housing built in my neighborhood with my taxes **
Agency over their individual and collective futures. ** Tell that to criminals **
Care for the very young, the sick, disabled, and the elderly. ** Your blood relatives are your problem, not my problem **
A clean environment to live in. ** I'm not paying to clean your air **

Nobody likes corruption. ** I'm not corrupt; I just don't want to pay taxes **
We almost all need meaningful jobs at living wages. ** $15/hour destroys jobs and start your own business if you want a meaningful job **
We can end our endless wars THIS YEAR. ** America can't appear to be too weak and frightened to fight any enemy anywhere **

To make the point a tiny bit clearer, it is no sweat to be obnoxious, disagreeable and to refuse to cooperate with anyone about anything. That attitude will definitely conserve your energy, but it might cost your life, but being dead conserves energy, too, because nobody pays lower taxes, works less, gets more rest, and has fewer problems than dead people.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Saturday, March 13, 2021 12:40 AM

So, SECONDRATE, you choose to be disagreeable?

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, March 13, 2021 1:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The ONLY reason why you don't like the idea is bc, in this term, it might mean a GOP VP to a Dem President.

But next time around, it might mean a Dem VP to a GOP President.

I think that would FORCE Congress to write bills that are acceptable to BOTH parties, rather thn steamrolling bills along partisan lines. It's what the FF envisioned.
What you are so certain will lead to compromise would actually lead to even worse gridlock. If Jefferson Davis had been Abraham Lincoln's V.P. the Federal government could not have functioned because Davis's goals were incompatible with Lincoln's, just as today the GOP's goals are literally, not figuratively, at war with the Democratic Party's goals. Look at the Democrats' platform. Compare it to the GOP's. You will see that the two cannot come to a compromise.

That may be the stupidest example possible.
Lincoln's Vice President Andrew Johnson WAS a Democrat. Part of the reason he was Impeached.

SECOND

Saturday, March 13, 2021 1:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:

So, SECONDRATE, you choose to be disagreeable?

Wrong, but I know who can explain it to you, maybe even explain to you your passionate objection to HR-1 as "unconstitutional":

Will the quest for secular redemption through politics doom the American idea?

Shadi Hamid writes:

The United States had long been a holdout among Western democracies, uniquely and perhaps even suspiciously devout. From 1937 to 1998, church membership remained relatively constant, hovering at about 70 percent. Then something happened. Over the past two decades, that number has dropped to less than 50 percent, the sharpest recorded decline in American history. Meanwhile, the “nones”—atheists, agnostics, and those claiming no religion—have grown rapidly and today represent a quarter of the population.

But if secularists hoped that declining religiosity would make for more rational politics, drained of faith’s inflaming passions, they are likely disappointed. As Christianity’s hold, in particular, has weakened, ideological intensity and fragmentation have risen. American faith, it turns out, is as fervent as ever; it’s just that what was once religious belief has now been channeled into political belief. Political debates over what America is supposed to mean have taken on the character of theological disputations. This is what religion without religion looks like.

Not so long ago, I could comfort American audiences with a contrast: Whereas in the Middle East, politics is war by other means—and sometimes is literal war—politics in America was less existentially fraught. During the Arab Spring, in countries like Egypt and Tunisia, debates weren’t about health care or taxes—they were, with sometimes frightening intensity, about foundational questions: What does it mean to be a nation? What is the purpose of the state? What is the role of religion in public life? American politics in the Obama years had its moments of ferment—the Tea Party and tan suits—but was still relatively boring.

We didn’t realize how lucky we were. Since the end of the Obama era, debates over what it means to be American have become suffused with a fervor that would be unimaginable in debates over, say, Belgian-ness or the “meaning” of Sweden. It’s rare to hear someone accused of being un-Swedish or un-British—but un-American is a common slur, slung by both left and right against the other. Being called un-American is like being called “un-Christian” or “un-Islamic,” a charge akin to heresy.

This is because America itself is “almost a religion,” as the Catholic philosopher Michael Novak once put it, particularly for immigrants who come to their new identity with the zeal of the converted. The American civic religion has its own founding myth, its prophets and processions, as well as its scripture—the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and The Federalist Papers. In his famous “I Have a Dream” speech, Martin Luther King Jr. wished that “one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed.” The very idea that a nation might have a creed—a word associated primarily with religion—illustrates the uniqueness of American identity as well as its predicament.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210312005406if_/https://www.theatlantic.
com/magazine/archive/2021/04/america-politics-religion/618072/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Saturday, March 13, 2021 1:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The ONLY reason why you don't like the idea is bc, in this term, it might mean a GOP VP to a Dem President.

But next time around, it might mean a Dem VP to a GOP President.

I think that would FORCE Congress to write bills that are acceptable to BOTH parties, rather thn steamrolling bills along partisan lines. It's what the FF envisioned.
What you are so certain will lead to compromise would actually lead to even worse gridlock. If Jefferson Davis had been Abraham Lincoln's V.P. the Federal government could not have functioned because Davis's goals were incompatible with Lincoln's, just as today the GOP's goals are literally, not figuratively, at war with the Democratic Party's goals. Look at the Democrats' platform. Compare it to the GOP's. You will see that the two cannot come to a compromise.
That may be the stupidest example possible.
Lincoln's Vice President Andrew Johnson WAS a Democrat. Part of the reason he was Impeached.

At least while Lincoln was alive, V.P. Johnson was cooperative. V.P. Jeff Davis would have been sabotaging everything Lincoln tried to do. Johnson was impeached because he was a slave-owner who won't punish the slave-owners of the Confederacy. Then when Johnson wasn't convicted, it was payback time for those who voted to remove him. He really took the side of the slave-owners by pardoning them for their war crimes.

All Confederate soldiers gain presidential pardons, Dec. 25, 1868
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/25/this-day-in-politics-dec-25-
1868-1074077

Andrew Johnson's abuse of pardons was relentless
www.newsday.com/opinion/commentary/andrew-johnson-pardons-abuse-donald
-trump-roger-stone-reconstruction-civil-war-1.46903969

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, March 13, 2021 6:02 AM

Is this the bill which legislates that a covid is required to be declared every General Election year so that Dems and other Libtards can again use it as excuse to steal Elections?

Or was that in the covid Emergency Rescue bill, which had almost 9% of the $1.9T allocated to covid-related spending?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, March 13, 2021 6:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The ONLY reason why you don't like the idea is bc, in this term, it might mean a GOP VP to a Dem President.

But next time around, it might mean a Dem VP to a GOP President.

I think that would FORCE Congress to write bills that are acceptable to BOTH parties, rather thn steamrolling bills along partisan lines. It's what the FF envisioned.
What you are so certain will lead to compromise would actually lead to even worse gridlock. If Jefferson Davis had been Abraham Lincoln's V.P. the Federal government could not have functioned because Davis's goals were incompatible with Lincoln's, just as today the GOP's goals are literally, not figuratively, at war with the Democratic Party's goals. Look at the Democrats' platform. Compare it to the GOP's. You will see that the two cannot come to a compromise.
That may be the stupidest example possible.
Lincoln's Vice President Andrew Johnson WAS a Democrat. Part of the reason he was Impeached.
At least while Lincoln was alive, V.P. Johnson was cooperative. Johnson was impeached because he was a slave-owner who won't punish the slave-owners of the Confederacy.

Without resorting to more lies, please find and quote the Articles of Impeachment which state, include, or paraphrase those words and pretexts.

SECOND

Saturday, March 13, 2021 8:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Without resorting to more lies, please find and quote the Articles of Impeachment which state, include, or paraphrase those words and pretexts.

The most intense voter suppression activity is in states narrowly carried by Joe Biden in 2020 but where Republicans hold a governing trifecta, namely Arizona and Georgia. In these two states they are entirely able to enact voting restrictions with Democrats left howling on the outside. If the GOP can overcome its own divisions, and not write laws so stupidly that the courts will strike them down, they can perhaps hold off or reverse blue trends simply by shrinking the electorate. Or so they hope. They also hope to head off Democratic efforts to preempt state voter suppression activity via a restored Voting Rights Act or the much more definitive legislation already passed by the U.S. House in H.R. 1, the For the People Act (both likely doomed in the Senate unless there is filibuster reform).

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/03/will-2022-governors-races-be-a
rmageddon-for-voting-rights.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Saturday, March 13, 2021 11:14 PM

SECOND

Saturday, March 13, 2021 11:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I listened to Biden's speech.In a 30-minute video, 7 1/2 mins were of any empty podium.
Okie dokie!
He reads a telepromper good now!

But what does it have to do with anything?

He mourns the death of everyone, not just victims of Covid-19?
Oh, big deal.
All of the negative effects ... the parties that never happened, the jobs and homes lost, the isolation from loved ones, the vacations never taken ... were a result of GOVERNMENT MANDATE, NOT A RESULT OF COVID-19.

If you want to blame deaths on anyone, blame them on the government - the President and governors who did not take effective action soon enough.

And if you want to blame anyone for the jobs lost, blame state governments (mostly Dems) who were the first to institute lockdowns, which "flattened the curve" but ultimately did not prevent infection.

THE TRUTH?
IT'S A SHIT SANDWICH, NO MATTER WHICH SIDE YOU BITE.

And don't forget, the vaccines were developed UNDER TRUMP.

Biden's message?

TRUST GOVERNMENT! The same government that ordered nursing homes to take in people who had been diagnosed with Covid-19, causing about 10,000 extra deaths! (Cuomo)

TRUST GOVERNMENT SCIENTISTS AND DOCTORS! The same scientists and doctors that refused to even consider preventive medicine, like HCQ or vitamin D or ivermectin, which showed success as a preventative (not a treatment) in foreign studies.

There were a couple of things Trump COULD have done early on, but he didn't: Close the border to all incoming foreign travellers, and require ALL returning Americans to quarantien and

Commandeer all N95 masks and use war powers to build factories at home to make crap-ton more. Those "procedure" masks are only minimally-effective. Vatious studies have shown they prevented approx 1-2% infections and deaths, which is better than nothing but not really effective. But nobody has ever claimed that N95s don't work.

GOVERNORS could have clamped down on nursing homes, which is where 40% of deaths occurred.

And the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT could have given Sputnik5, the conventional Russian vaccine (not mRNA-based) an EUA, cross-licensed it to mfrs who didn' have a viable vaccine in the pipeline, since it is very effective and available earlier than the others.

what can Biden* do in addition to improving N95 capacity?

KEEP THE FUCKING BORDERS CLOSED, JOE. ESPECIALLY TO ILLEGAL ALIENS WHO MAY BE COMING IN WITH VARIANTS WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT.

END THE ENDLESS WARS SO THE COVID RELIEF PACKAGE (90% TO B BUSINESS) WON'T BLOW A COVID-SIZED HOLE ON OUR BUDGET.

The rest is all just emotional bullshit and phony sympathy.

Are you getting paid by the word, Signym? Getting back to why HR-1 should be passed:

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Sunday, March 14, 2021 2:00 AM

That belonged in the "Biden's New Clothes" thread. I'll erase it and put it over there.

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SIGNYM

Sunday, March 14, 2021 2:15 AM

So, I gather that the Big Reason for HR1 is ... Trump????

Dood, get a grip!
That's what I've been saying all along: it's a purely partisan exercise in power!

Has bugger all to do with reform!

Was that short enough for you?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, March 14, 2021 3:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
It is fallacy to believe the filibuster prevents HR-1 from passing. If Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) is willing, HR-1 passes. If not, then not.

Is that right?

Why isn't $15 minimum wage passed tomorrow then?

Why were progressives pushing so hard to get it into the "American Rescue Plan Act"?
Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV) did not want $15/hr, so it didn't pass. Manchin said on TV that he is uncomfortable about spoiling other Democrats' plans but too bad because that how they do things in West Virginia. Probably next on Manchin's kill list is any spending bills on infrastructure.

Manchin on his veto power over Biden agenda: 'It's not a good place to be'. When he said that, he was laughing and smiling. It is a GREAT place to be, is what he meant.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/10/politics/joe-manchin-biden-agenda/index
.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Don't take part of my post and then not answer the question.

Here's my whole post.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
It is fallacy to believe the filibuster prevents HR-1 from passing. If Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) is willing, HR-1 passes. If not, then not.

Is that right?

Why isn't $15 minimum wage passed tomorrow then?

Why were progressives pushing so hard to get it into the "American Rescue Plan Act"?

Why was Bernie Sanders so desperate to keep it in ARPA that he argued increasing the minimum wage couldn't be struck down by the Byrd Rule since, by his own admission, it would have a direct impact on the budget by making goods and services cost more money for the Government?

Maybe we can break the rules whenever we'd like to now...

We just don't want to break them to raise the minimum wage.

Point being, the filibuster isn't going to be broken. Whether or not 50 Democrats were going to pass the minimum wage is besides the point. They knew that the only way it had a prayer to pass was to sneak it inside of legislation that only required a 51/50 vote by pretending that it related to the budget.

HR1 has nothing to do with the budget, so it will need 60 votes to pass.

I don't know why I come back and this thread is still even being discussed.

HR1 will NEVER pass.

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SECOND

Sunday, March 14, 2021 3:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
So, I gather that the Big Reason for HR1 is ... Trump????

Dood, get a grip!
That's what I've been saying all along: it's a purely partisan exercise in power!

Has bugger all to do with reform!

Was that short enough for you?

Two reasons: 1) the video of Trump repeatedly saying the election was stolen from him by the news media, the vote counters, the Democrats. He also demanded that the camera be turned to show his claimed hundreds of thousands who came out to hear him. The camera turned to show thousands, not hundreds of thousands. Trump was lying about the election count and about how many were at his rally.

That video set off a wave of new laws.

2) The most intense voter suppression activity is in states narrowly carried by Joe Biden in 2020 but where Republicans hold a governing trifecta, namely Arizona and Georgia. In these two states they are entirely able to enact voting restrictions with Democrats left howling on the outside. If the GOP can overcome its own divisions, and not write laws so stupidly that the courts will strike them down, they can perhaps hold off or reverse blue trends simply by shrinking the electorate. Or so they hope. They also hope to head off Democratic efforts to preempt state voter suppression activity via a restored Voting Rights Act or the much more definitive legislation already passed by the U.S. House in H.R. 1, the For the People Act (both likely doomed in the Senate unless there is filibuster reform).

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/03/will-2022-governors-races-be-a
rmageddon-for-voting-rights.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Sunday, March 14, 2021 4:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
So, I gather that the Big Reason for HR1 is ... Trump????

NO! NO! NO! Signy! Get it right!

The Big Reason for HR1 is because the House time-traveled from 2019 to address the 2020 election. SECOND said so!

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, March 14, 2021 4:43 AM

Why are you ignoring this fact, Second.

This entire thread is an exercise in futility.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
It is fallacy to believe the filibuster prevents HR-1 from passing. If Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) is willing, HR-1 passes. If not, then not.

Is that right?

Why isn't $15 minimum wage passed tomorrow then?

Why were progressives pushing so hard to get it into the "American Rescue Plan Act"?
Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV) did not want $15/hr, so it didn't pass. Manchin said on TV that he is uncomfortable about spoiling other Democrats' plans but too bad because that how they do things in West Virginia. Probably next on Manchin's kill list is any spending bills on infrastructure.

Manchin on his veto power over Biden agenda: 'It's not a good place to be'. When he said that, he was laughing and smiling. It is a GREAT place to be, is what he meant.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/10/politics/joe-manchin-biden-agenda/index
.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Don't take part of my post and then not answer the question.

Here's my whole post.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
It is fallacy to believe the filibuster prevents HR-1 from passing. If Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) is willing, HR-1 passes. If not, then not.

Is that right?

Why isn't $15 minimum wage passed tomorrow then?

Why were progressives pushing so hard to get it into the "American Rescue Plan Act"?

Why was Bernie Sanders so desperate to keep it in ARPA that he argued increasing the minimum wage couldn't be struck down by the Byrd Rule since, by his own admission, it would have a direct impact on the budget by making goods and services cost more money for the Government?

Maybe we can break the rules whenever we'd like to now...

We just don't want to break them to raise the minimum wage.

Point being, the filibuster isn't going to be broken. Whether or not 50 Democrats were going to pass the minimum wage is besides the point. They knew that the only way it had a prayer to pass was to sneak it inside of legislation that only required a 51/50 vote by pretending that it related to the budget.

HR1 has nothing to do with the budget, so it will need 60 votes to pass.

I don't know why I come back and this thread is still even being discussed.

HR1 will NEVER pass.

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SECOND

Sunday, March 14, 2021 5:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Why are you ignoring this fact, Second.

This entire thread is an exercise in futility.

Joe Manchin is more conservative than Democrats.
https://www.google.com/search?q=joe+manchin+is+more+conservative+than+
democrats

But if Joe Biden sits down and talks to Joe Manchin, Joe to Joe, about everything depending on Joe's vote, maybe Joe can change Joe's mind about the filibuster.

It wouldn't hurt to also include a special provision in every bill that helps Manchin's voters back in West Virginia. With frequent large bribes, wonderful things become possible in the Senate. Without bribes, nothing but evil and sadness will happen for the next two years, followed by the Democrats losing their majority in Congress. They might lose it before two years if any Democrat in the Senate gets ill. If Joe Biden wants new laws, Joe better move fast or he won't get anything.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Sunday, March 14, 2021 10:58 AM

SECOND is in favor of bribery in the Senate.

He's just chock-full of moral upstandingness, isn't he?

WHY does he hate Trump so much, again? Corruption?

*****

You see, SECONDRATE, how your blind hatred just leads your mind and moral on such twisted paths?

Yanno, if you purge yourself of hatred, you might become a good man.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

SECOND

Sunday, March 14, 2021 5:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND is in favor of bribery in the Senate.

He's just chock-full of moral upstandingness, isn't he?

WHY does he hate Trump so much, again? Corruption?

*****

You see, SECONDRATE, how your blind hatred just leads your mind and moral on such twisted paths?

Yanno, if you purge yourself of hatred, you might become a good man.

If the Democratic Party doesn't use both the carrot and the stick on Senator Joe Manchin, the party will fail at its job of governing.

There are at least four (five?) things about myself I've mentioned at fff.net. Each would be found morally repulsive to many people if my life was well documented in a movie with actual brutal scenes of me on the job: war, hunting, construction, cattle-ranching, natural gas drilling. I loved my jobs, even the nastiest, most brutal parts. There was no way to accomplish anything in the areas I've worked without offending the moral sensibilities of softer, more delicate people. There is no way for the Democrats to work their job of governing without offending softer people.

I'll never be a "good man", and very possibly you could call me "Jayne Cobb", the useful and necessary thug from the Firefly stories. Jayne is essential to keep the stories from bogging down into uplifting sentimentality. The Democratic party can either be ineffective and fail or it can be a little Jayne Cobb thuggish with Senator Manchin of West Virginia and succeed at governing. But however little or much Joe Biden decides to do about Manchin, in order to get his vote, the Republicans will scream bloody murder. If the GOP isn't screaming and shouting about "unconstitutionality", the Democrats aren't doing the job of governing.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, March 14, 2021 7:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Why are you ignoring this fact, Second.

This entire thread is an exercise in futility.
Joe Manchin is more conservative than Democrats.
https://www.google.com/search?q=joe+manchin+is+more+conservative+than+
democrats

But if Joe Biden sits down and talks to Joe Manchin, Joe to Joe, about everything depending on Joe's vote, maybe Joe can change Joe's mind about the filibuster.

It wouldn't hurt to also include a special provision in every bill that helps Manchin's voters back in West Virginia. With frequent large bribes, wonderful things become possible in the Senate. Without bribes, nothing but evil and sadness will happen for the next two years, followed by the Democrats losing their majority in Congress. They might lose it before two years if any Democrat in the Senate gets ill. If Joe Biden wants new laws, Joe better move fast or he won't get anything.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

It has nothing to do with Manchin.

51 votes isn't enough to get rid of the filibuster.

P.S. A lot of Democrats aren't on board with doing away with the filibuster anyhow. They have half a brain and realize that it's a good thing in the long term.

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SECOND

Thursday, March 18, 2021 6:59 PM

Federal Investigation Finds Pennsylvania Postal Worker’s Mail-In Ballot Fraud Allegation Was, You Guessed It, Utter Hogwash

An investigation by the U.S. Postal Service's Inspector General into a Pennsylvania postal worker's outlandish voter fraud allegations determined the claims were, as expected, total hogwash. The claims levied by mail carrier Richard Hopkins shortly after the Nov. election were so cartoonishly villainous that in a normal year with a normal president and a normal Republican political party the burden of proof would have been on Hopkins to prove that he wasn't totally full of it. Instead, in 2020, Trump and his Republican allies, like South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, credulously lapped up Hopkins story. And what exactly was Hopkins story? That he ''overheard” the local postmaster in Erie, Pennsylvania hatching a sinister plot to backdate ballots that arrived after the Nov. 3 deadline, passing them off as legitimate, so they would be counted. Trump, you may remember, lost Pennsylvania by nearly 200,000 votes.

Yes, of course, Hopkins, just minding his own business, happened upon some casual federal election fraud office banter. It was always ludicrous, but it didn't matter and Hopkins' flimsy claim was sucked up into the rightwing delusion that their guy Trump had been robbed and blasted out by Republicans, well, everywhere. On Nov. 10 Trump tweeted that Hopkins was a "a brave patriot." Lindsey Graham, bless his little heart, called for a federal investigation. Hopkins, of course, recanted his story shortly after. When pressed by federal agents, Hopkins "revised his initial claims, eventually stating that he had not heard a conversation about ballots at all— rather he saw the Postmaster and Supervisor having a discussion and assumed it was about fraudulent ballot backdating," the Inspector General report found.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/03/investigation-pennsylvania
-postal-worker-mail-in-ballot-fraud-allegation.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/03/17/usps-ballot-fraud-i
nvestigation/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, March 18, 2021 8:04 PM

Fake mail-in fraud election was fake.

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SECOND

Friday, March 26, 2021 11:44 AM

Former President Donald Trump's campaign of lies about a stolen election just delivered a huge victory with a new Georgia law. The Georgia law raises the question of whether election safeguards that prevented Trump's energetic efforts to rig the 2020 White House race after the fact in the state will stand firm in future elections amid false claims of electoral fraud by a president.

Using his massive popularity in the GOP, the former President has made the acceptance of his false conspiracy theories about voter fraud in 2020 a litmus test for Republican candidates seeking his support in upcoming primary elections.

The Georgia bill is only one example of GOP efforts in multiple states -- including many crucial electoral battlegrounds -- to hold back a diverse demographic tide in cities that favor Democrats, which critics see as an attempt to cement white minority rule in the United States.

Multiple courts and Trump's own Justice Department found there was no widespread electoral fraud in 2020. Voter mistrust was largely fueled by Trump's blatantly false claims that he had been cheated out of office in a corrupt election, which were incessantly broadcast by conservative media outlets.

Georgia's action threw a political grenade into the debate over a Washington campaign by many Democrats to abolish Senate supermajority rules that Republicans could use to block their sweeping election bill, known as the For the People Act. The measure would establish national standards and reverse restrictions like those that are now the law of Georgia. Republicans brand the Democratic bill as an unconstitutional power grab.

Black voters hampered by the restrictions of voting in urban areas have often found themselves lining up for hours to vote in inclement weather. The clear targeting of African American voters in Georgia and elsewhere recalls some of the ugliest racial episodes of America's past, and is fueling claims of open Republican racism.

"As the FBI continue to round up seditionists who spilled blood to defend a lie about our elections, Republican state leaders willfully undermine democracy by giving themselves authority to overturn results they do not like," Stacey Abrams said in a statement. "Now, more than ever, Americans must demand federal action to protect voting rights as we continue to fight against these blatantly unconstitutional efforts that are nothing less than Jim Crow 2.0."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/26/politics/georgia-voter-suppression-law-
trump-biden/index.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, March 26, 2021 7:18 PM

^ True news, reported falsely.

P.S. The filibuster won't be broken, since Democrats would need the filibuster already broken in order to bust the filibuster so they can rig elections in this country forever.

That's the real end game here for Democrats. They're trying to make a final play, believing that if the were to make it so any law gets passed with a 51% majority it won't harm them in the future because they will have rigged every election to go to them in perpetuity.

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SECOND

Friday, March 26, 2021 9:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
^ True news, reported falsely.

P.S. The filibuster won't be broken, since Democrats would need the filibuster already broken in order to bust the filibuster so they can rig elections in this country forever.

That's the real end game here for Democrats. They're trying to make a final play, believing that if the were to make it so any law gets passed with a 51% majority it won't harm them in the future because they will have rigged every election to go to them in perpetuity.

The Democrats' strategy goes all the way back to FDR and Social Security. FDR knew that GOP politicians would become a majority in Congress and would want to repeal Social Security. The GOP has tried many times and failed when voters terrified a few GOP politicians to either not kill Social Security or else lose the next election.

The latest devious Republican attack on Social Security. Ever since Social Security came into existence, Republican politicians and their billionaire donors have attempted to destroy it. It is anathema to the GOP's anti-government ideology.
More at https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/373490-the-latest-dev
ious-republican-attack-on-social-security

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, March 27, 2021 1:03 AM

Although HR1 is the utopia of the DeConstitutionalists, I keep hearing HR6 is about as bad.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 27, 2021 1:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Although HR1 is the utopia of the DeConstitutionalists, I keep hearing HR6 is about as bad.

Oh yeah?

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, March 31, 2021 1:15 AM

I had heard the following also attributed to James Clyburn, but those results seem to be scrubbed from social media search engines.

Ted Cruz told activists that there would be no room for compromise on H.R. 1 and the democratic reform push. “H.R. 1’s only objective is to ensure that Democrats can never again lose another election,” he said. “That they will win and maintain control of the House of Representatives and the Senate and of the state legislatures for the next century.” In an appearance on Fox, he went on to dub it the Corrupt Politicians Act, calling it “the single most dangerous piece of legislation before Congress,” and insisted its passage “would result in millions of illegal immigrants, and criminals, and felons being able to vote.”

https://newrepublic.com/article/161797/hr1-voting-rights-voter-registr
ation

SECOND

Wednesday, March 31, 2021 4:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Ted Cruz told activists that there would be no room for compromise on H.R. 1 and the democratic reform push. “H.R. 1’s only objective is to ensure that Democrats can never again lose another election,” he said. “That they will win and maintain control of the House of Representatives and the Senate and of the state legislatures for the next century.” In an appearance on Fox, he went on to dub it the Corrupt Politicians Act, calling it “the single most dangerous piece of legislation before Congress,” and insisted its passage “would result in millions of illegal immigrants, and criminals, and felons being able to vote.”

I'm from Texas and Ted Cruz is full of shit:

Inside the Koch-backed effort to block the largest election-reform bill in half a century

In public, Republicans have denounced Democrats’ ambitious electoral-reform bill, the For the People Act, as an unpopular partisan ploy. In a contentious Senate committee hearing last week, Senator Ted Cruz, of Texas, slammed the proposal, which aims to expand voting rights and curb the influence of money in politics, as “a brazen and shameless power grab by Democrats.” But behind closed doors Republicans speak differently about the legislation, which is also known as House Resolution 1 and Senate Bill 1. They admit the lesser-known provisions in the bill that limit secret campaign spending are overwhelmingly popular across the political spectrum. In private, they concede their own polling shows that no message they can devise effectively counters the argument that billionaires should be prevented from buying elections.

A recording obtained by The New Yorker of a private conference call on January 8th, between a policy adviser to Senator Mitch McConnell and the leaders of several prominent conservative groups—including one run by the Koch brothers’ network—reveals the participants’ worry that the proposed election reforms garner wide support not just from liberals but from conservative voters, too. The speakers on the call expressed alarm at the broad popularity of the bill’s provision calling for more public disclosure about secret political donors. The participants conceded that the bill, which would stem the flow of dark money from such political donors as the billionaire oil magnate Charles Koch, was so popular that it wasn’t worth trying to mount a public-advocacy campaign to shift opinion. Instead, a senior Koch operative said that opponents would be better off ignoring the will of American voters and trying to kill the bill in Congress.

Kyle McKenzie, the research director for the Koch-run advocacy group Stand Together, told fellow-conservatives and Republican congressional staffers on the call that he had a “spoiler.” “When presented with a very neutral description” of the bill, “people were generally supportive,” McKenzie said, adding that “the most worrisome part . . . is that conservatives were actually as supportive as the general public was when they read the neutral description.” In fact, he warned, “there’s a large, very large, chunk of conservatives who are supportive of these types of efforts.”

https://attentiontotheunseen.com/2021/03/29/inside-the-koch-backed-eff
ort-to-block-the-largest-election-reform-bill-in-half-a-century/

HR-1’s opponents will rely on the filibuster to stop the bill because turning public opinion against it would be incredibly difficult. The worst thing conservatives could do would be to deny that the legislation stops billionaires from buying elections.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, March 31, 2021 6:12 AM

HR 1 will never pass.

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SECOND

Friday, April 2, 2021 12:50 AM

The Conservative Movement Is Rejecting America

A recent essay in a prominent right-wing outlet gives an unusually clear window into the modern right’s anti-democratic worldview. The American Mind — a publication of the Claremont Institute, an influential conservative think tank based in California — published an incendiary essay arguing that the country has already been destroyed by internal enemies.
https://americanmind.org/salvo/why-the-claremont-institute-is-not-cons
ervative-and-you-shouldnt-be-either/

“Most people living in the United States today — certainly more than half — are not Americans in any meaningful sense of the term,” Glenn Ellmers, the essay’s author, writes. “They do not believe in, live by, or even like the principles, traditions, and ideals that until recently defined America as a nation and as a people. It is not obvious what we should call these citizen-aliens, these non-American Americans; but they are something else.”

These seditious citizens are opposed, according to Ellmers, by “the 75 million people who voted in the last election against the senile figurehead of a party that stands for mob violence, ruthless censorship, and racial grievances, not to mention bureaucratic despotism.” (74,222,958 voted for Trump. 81,283,098 for Biden.)

If Trump voters and conservatives do not band together and fight “a sort of counter-revolution,” then “the victory of progressive tyranny will be assured. See you in the gulag.”

What exactly this counter-revolution entails is unclear, but Ellmers has some tips. “Learn some useful skills, stay healthy, and get strong,” he writes. “One of my favorite weightlifting coaches likes to say, ‘Strong people are harder to kill, and more useful generally.’”

Ellmers’s essay has been widely discussed in American media and intellectual circles, due to its bracing honesty about the modern right’s worldview and the prominence of the outlet that published it. Claremont is an influential institution of the right; one of its publications, the Claremont Review of Books, published the notorious “Flight 93” essay arguing that the 2016 election was a choice between Trump and national extinction. (“2016 is the Flight 93 election: charge the cockpit or you die,” that essay declared in its opening line.)

Minutes before the January 6 assault on Capitol Hill, former President Donald Trump told his assembled supporters that “if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.” In a 2019 speech, Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO) warned that “we have come again to one of the great turning points in our national history, when the fate of our republican government is at issue.” In a 2020 Facebook post, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy declared that “Democrats want to defund, destroy, and dismantle our country.”

Ellmers’s essay should be taken seriously because it makes the anti-democratic subtext of conservative discourse into clearly legible text. And it is a clear articulation of what the movement has been telling us through its actions, like Georgia’s new voting law: It sees democracy not as a principle to respect, but as a barrier to be overcome in pursuit of permanent power.

More at https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2021/4/1/22356594/conservative
s-right-wing-democracy-claremont-ellmers

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, April 2, 2021 8:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
The Conservative Movement Is Rejecting America

Bullshit. Democrats hate America. Hate Freedom. Hate free speech.

As for HR1?

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REAVERFAN

Friday, April 2, 2021 8:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
The Conservative Movement Is Rejecting America

Bullshit. I hate America. Hate Freedom. Hate free speech.

Fixed to reflect your true fascist mindset.

REAVERFAN

Friday, April 2, 2021 8:53 AM

HR 1 would be an absolute godsend for restoring democracy to our system, though we have a long way to go fixing all the democracy-hating fascism the trumptards created.

It's a good first step.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, April 2, 2021 8:55 AM

It will never pass.

You are an enemy to America.

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, April 3, 2021 1:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
HR 1 would be an absolute godsend for restoring democracy to our system,

It's a good first step.

I didn't know you had a democracy system in Russia, Troll.

Here in America, we have a Federation of Republic, a Representative system. All of these words are in our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution - neither of which contain the word "democracy" because the Founding Fathers observed the mobocracy disaster from ancient Mediterranian democracies.

SECOND

Saturday, April 3, 2021 8:55 PM

Trump Calls for Major League Baseball Boycott After it Moves All-Star Game Out of Georgia

Trump thinks it’s time to boycott baseball. Trump called late Friday for a boycott of Major League Baseball after it announced it would be pulling the All-Star Game from Georgia as a protest to the state’s new restrictive voting law.

“-April 2, 2021 -

Statement by Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States of America

Baseball is already losing tremendous numbers of fans, and now they leave Atlanta with their All-Star Game because they are afraid of the Radical Left Democrats who do not want voter I.D., which is desperately needed, to have anything to do with our elections. Boycott baseball and all of the woke companies that are interfering with Free and Fair Elections. Are you listening Coke, Delta, and all!” Trump said in a statement.

https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/1378161934734876675?s=20

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, April 4, 2021 5:22 AM

I guess Trump didn't get the memo that nobody gives a shit about baseball anymore, and the few people who still did already boycotted it for their BLM bullshit.

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" 'You're like the Nazis' is the new 'I don't like you'. That disqualifies her from marching around planet Who-Gives-a-Shit in a helmet? ~Bill Maher

PSA: Don't click on any links in Second's posts. He's trying to fish your private information out of you.

SECOND

Monday, April 5, 2021 7:04 PM

While many researchers have attempted to quantify the health of democracy in different countries around the world, Jacob M. Grumbach’s paper is the first effort to develop some kind of ranking system for US states. It’s still in working paper form, which means it has not been peer-reviewed. But Grumbach’s work has been widely praised by other political scientists who had read a draft or seen him present it at a conference. From the draft's abstract:

The U.S. has a decentralized form of federalism that administers democratic institutions at the state level. Using 61 indicators of democratic performance from 2000 to 2018, we develop a measure of subnational democratic performance, the State Democracy Index. We use this measure to test theories of democratic expansion and backsliding based in party competition, polarization, demographic change, and the group interests of national party coalitions. Difference-in-differences results suggest a minimal role for all factors except Republican control of state government, which dramatically reduces states' democratic performance during this period.
https://twitter.com/tobalspielmann/status/1377075888869761024

American states, which were once praised by the great jurist Louis Brandeis as "laboratories of democracy," are in danger of becoming laboratories of authoritarianism as those in power rewrite electoral rules, redraw constituencies, and even rescind voting rights to ensure that they do not lose.
-- Levitsky and Ziblatt, How Democracies Die (2018, 2)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, April 5, 2021 7:41 PM

^ Lies.

Imagine the hypocrisy of a government who will allow businesses to card people to get a job or buy groceries, but won't card people to vote in elections and gives millions of non-citizens free money from taxpayers.

SECOND

Monday, April 5, 2021 8:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
^ Lies.

Imagine the hypocrisy of a government who will allow businesses to card people to get a job or buy groceries, but won't card people to vote in elections and gives millions of non-citizens free money from taxpayers.

6ix, you don't work and you get money from taxpayers without paying taxes yourself while non-citizens work and pay hundreds of billions in taxes. There are 351,000,000 results about how 6ix gets free money for doing nothing at https://www.google.com/search?q=non+citizens+pay+taxes

6ix, the Republicans want voter ID and voting in person because Republicans believe they will win more elections, but Republicans ostensibly say they want what they want strictly because of cheating -- cheating which they cannot prove. The Republicans have been asked millions of times to show proof that there is cheating, but they have nothing worth a goddamn: https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud I've looked at Republicans' "evidence". What a truck load of crap the Republicans are claiming is gold.

Does what the Republicans can show stop Republicans from lying and throwing tantrums? It does not.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, April 5, 2021 8:12 PM

^ Lies.

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Imagine the hypocrisy of a government who will allow businesses to card people to get a job or buy groceries, but won't card people to vote in elections and gives millions of non-citizens free money from taxpayers.

SECOND

Monday, April 5, 2021 8:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
^ Lies.

6ix, if you do your "lie" thing in Texas, you will get knocked down and stomped on your face. Luckily for you, on the internet you have no body and no face and no one can physically touch you, but you really should make a good faith effort to prove your points. You would discover your points are not sharp enough to stick.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, April 5, 2021 8:29 PM

lol

Good luck buddy. Come and get me.

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Imagine the hypocrisy of a government who will allow businesses to card people to get a job or buy groceries, but won't card people to vote in elections and gives millions of non-citizens free money from taxpayers.

SECOND

Monday, April 5, 2021 8:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
lol

Good luck buddy. Come and get me.

On the internet, you have no body, no face, and no one is coming after you to correct you. Likewise, in the real world, no one is coming to correct you when your beliefs are wrong. The Trumptards I know get into unending financial/family/work trouble (which makes staying in the middle class difficult for them) because no one can correct them about very ordinary and mundane things unconnected to politics.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, April 5, 2021 8:47 PM

lol. You're the one who is in serious need of a good ass kicking dude.

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Imagine the hypocrisy of a government who will allow businesses to card people to get a job or buy groceries, but won't card people to vote in elections and gives millions of non-citizens free money from taxpayers.

SECOND

Monday, April 5, 2021 9:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
lol. You're the one who is in serious need of a good ass kicking dude.

You have beaten the fact into me, 6ix, about the psychology of Trumptards repeatedly making the same old mistakes that sink them to the bottom and keeps them struggling for their entire lives. You are somewhere between the 1,500th and 1,750th Trumptard to show me the depressing truth about themselves.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

REAVERFAN

Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:21 AM

REAVERFAN

Tuesday, April 6, 2021 4:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
HR 1 would be an absolute godsend for restoring democracy to our system,

It's a good first step.
I didn't know you had a democracy system in Russia, Troll.

Here in America, we have a Federation of Republic, a Representative system. All of these words are in our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution - neither of which contain the word "democracy" because the Founding Fathers observed the mobocracy disaster from ancient Mediterranian democracies.

Oh, look. The Russian troll tries to project. Sorry, cunt. You're an enemy of the United States and you prove it every day. Kill yourself.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, April 6, 2021 6:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
HR 1 would be an absolute godsend for restoring democracy to our system,

It's a good first step.
I didn't know you had a democracy system in Russia, Troll.

Here in America, we have a Federation of Republic, a Representative system. All of these words are in our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution - neither of which contain the word "democracy" because the Founding Fathers observed the mobocracy disaster from ancient Mediterranian democracies.

Oh, look. The Russian troll tries to project. Sorry, cunt. You're an enemy of the United States and you prove it every day. Kill yourself.

46.

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Imagine the hypocrisy of a government who will allow businesses to card people to get a job or buy groceries, but won't card people to vote in elections and gives millions of non-citizens free money from taxpayers.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, April 6, 2021 6:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
lol. You're the one who is in serious need of a good ass kicking dude.

You have beaten the fact into me, 6ix, about the psychology of Trumptards repeatedly making the same old mistakes that sink them to the bottom and keeps them struggling for their entire lives. You are somewhere between the 1,500th and 1,750th Trumptard to show me the depressing truth about themselves.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Don't be depressed for me. My life is awesome.

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