HR 1: Election Reform Bill
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I know SIX already posted a link, but this is an explanation of what's in the bill:
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Every Democrat but one voted late March 3 for H.R. 1, a massive voting reform bill that has drawn harsh criticism from the GOP.
Every Republican voted against the bill. They were joined by Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.).
Thompson told The Epoch Times that he heard from constituents who opposed certain portions of the legislation.
“My constituents opposed the redistricting portion of the bill as well as the section on public finances. I always listen and vote in the interest of my constituents,” he said in an emailed statement.
H.R. 1 would require congressional redistricting to be conducted through independent commissions, or a three-judge court.
Membership on the commissions would be open to any citizen of the state through an application process, barring people who have held or hold office, candidates for office, and people who have worked on political campaigns.
Six members would be chosen by “a nonpartisan agency established or designated by a State,” the bill states.
Two from each party, and two independents, would be chosen on a random basis from the approved selection pool.
Those members would then appoint three other members from each of the two major parties and three independents.
Commission members would be banned from “drawing maps to favor a political property” and would be required to meet other criteria [like what?] in deciding where lines go. They would also have to hear from the public before approving a final map.
The legislation would also prohibit mid-decade redistricting.
Another section deals with campaign finance.
The legislation condemns the Citizens United Supreme Court decision and calls for amending the Constitution “so that Congress and the States may regulate and set limits on the raising and spending of money to influence elections and may distinguish between natural persons and artificial entities, like corporations, that are created by law, including by prohibiting such artificial entities from spending money to influence elections.”
Additionally, it would reduce the number of members on the Federal Election Commission and limit those who could serve on the commission.
Republicans on the House floor before the vote denounced the bill, including portions that would require funding [by who?] for campaigns.
“Americans love election season. They love the endless political acts, having their phones blown up by political calls and texts, having their email inboxes littered with solicitations from wannabe politicians. My phone keeps ringing off the hook from all of my constituents just pleading for Congress to use their dollars to fund more campaign ads. This is the fantasy world that government bureaucrats and career politicians who want a federal takeover of our elections live in,” Rep. Carlos Gimenez (R-Fla.) told colleagues.
“They want to take Americans’ money and give it to campaigns in a 6:1 ratio, effectively forcing you to support political campaigns you don’t support.”
But Democrats said the bill would bring necessary changes to elections.
“As a former voting rights attorney, I have seen firsthand the devastation on the faces of Americans when they are denied their ability to make their voice heard in our elections because they missed an arbitrary deadline
Quote:That's what provisional ballots are for
or showed up to their old polling place.
Quote:What a pity party!
It’s heartbreaking and not who we are as nation,” Rep. Colin Allred (D-Texas) said.
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“On today’s vote, we as a Congress have the opportunity to affirmatively expand access to voting. This bill would do so by allowing forNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Georgia and Arizona are already working on their own voting reform bills.
The Constitution clearly gives states the right to decide how to conduct their voting. I would expect to see a Supreme Court challenge to many aspects of HR1.
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Georgia House Passes Omnibus Election Reform Bill
https://www.theepochtimes.com/georgia-house-passes-omnibus-election-re
form-bill_3716434.html
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Arizona Senate Wins Battle to Audit 2020 Vote
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The Senate has prevailed in its nearly three-month battle to investigate the results of the 2020 election.
A Maricopa County judge on Friday ruled the Legislature “clearly has the power to investigate and examine election reform matters,” which means Maricopa County must hand over all 2.1 million ballots along with all equipment, software and machinery used to count those votes, along with detailed information on every person who voted.
Three things should now happen:
1. Don't appeal. Let the Senate do this
The Maricopa County Board of Supervisors should not appeal the ruling. This thing has festered long enough and though there’s been no evidence that the election was stolen from President Donald Trump, there’s no convincing Republican voters of that.
Where reasonable people used to believe in our elections absent evidence of a reason not to, a shockingly high number of Republican voters now are absolutely convinced that democracy has been corrupted.
Pre- and post-election testing of the tabulation machinery and the sample hand counts of ballots that were required by state law and showed no evidence of a problem? They weren’t good enough.
Eight elections lawsuits in both state and federal court that turned up no evidence of fraud? They weren’t good enough.
Two independent audits clearing the Dominion Voting Systems machinery, completed just week in Republican-run Maricopa County? They didn’t change a single mind.
It’s now time to let Senate Republicans do a proctology exam on Joe Biden’s win in Arizona. Let them now prove that our elections are, as many of them have spent months telling us, rotten to the core.
2. Hire a truly independent auditor
If they want the credibility they refused to give to Maricopa County, then Senate Republicans should hire an elections expert who is truly independent to sift through the county’s 2.1 million ballots and examine all the equipment and machinery used to count those votes.
This shouldn’t be a political witch hunt, but there have been some indications that it might be.
Senate President Karen Fann was all set to hire Allied Security Operations Group to conduct the audit, until reporters got wind of it. This is the company that supplied error-riddled information to Trump lawyers Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell as they ran around the country howling about krakens and crooked elections and such.
Just this week, one of ASOG’s employees, Phil Waldron, appeared on One America News segment entitled “The Arizona Election Heist.”
Fann quickly back pedaled after reporters obtained internal emails from Senate attorneys to ASOG, outlining the scope of work.
But on what planet could Fann have even considered that these so-called "experts" would be an acceptable choice for an independent examination of Arizona’s ballots and voting equipment?
Even so, I’m going to take Fann at her word that she intends an unbiased examination of the election. And that someone will be there watching the experts to ensure there is no funny business with the ballots.
“Hopefully, with a proper, independent and detailed audit, we will start to restore voter confidence in election integrity,” Senate Republicans said in a statement issued after Judge Thomason’s ruling.
3. Hold folks accountable, fraud or not
Speaking of restoring voter confidence, Senate Republicans should agree that the end result of this audit should not just bring us the usual bills to try to make it more difficult to vote in the future. We also need actual accountability for what happened in 2020.
If widespread fraud or error is found, as so many Republicans believe, then break out the Lysol and commence with a wholesale disinfection of Arizona’s elections offices. Heads should roll like bowling balls, whether it’s to the unemployment office or prison.
BUT, if the coming proctology exam turns up no evidence of fraud or human error of the sort that changed the outcome, then the politicians who have spent montNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:Sorry, Russian troll, it does NOT:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The Constitution clearly gives states the right to decide how to conduct their voting.
The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations…
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-1/section-4/cla
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For now, state political parties control the voting process to their own advantage. No other democratic country allows this. Voting in national elections should be regulated at the national level, just as the Constitution suggests.
Congress should set the rules for registration and voting and they should be the same for every state. This is so obvious that it barely even needs to be defended.
HR1 would do this.
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The problem with centralized control is that it is just as likely to be partisan at the national level as at the state level, and this is what we have here.
HR1 attempts to fix "problems" that are not demonstrated to be problems, in order to create advantage for Democrats.
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Quote:Every county in Texas has a different voting system. There is some overlap in the systems used in different counties because the clerk in one county might ask how they run elections in the four adjacent counties, but it is very nonuniform in different places and in some counties pretty damn close to chaos. I hope others states have more sensible systems, but the recounts and court cases in 2020 show that there is far too much flexibility in how each county or city can run their little piece of a national election.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The problem with centralized control is that it is just as likely to be partisan at the national level as at the state level, and this is what we have here.
HR1 attempts to fix "problems" that are not demonstrated to be problems, in order to create advantage for Democrats.
Once in while, Congress tries to regulate this mess, making the process a little more uniform from place to place: https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-1/section-4/cla
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HR-1 is Congress' latest attempt, strongly motivated by the messiness of the 2020 election.
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I read that bill a month or 2 ago. Unless it's been changed in that time, the one thing it DOESN'T have that would definitely improve the entire election process is a validation requirement and protocol, specifically, statistical study like the one highlighted by the Mitofsky Report, as a basis for closer vote examination.
It sure would be nice to be able to demonstrate there were no signs of mass cheating, and if there were, to be able to go back and conduct a good examination of when, how, and who.
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Quote:This is the bill introduced in House (01/04/2021). If you didn't see it, you were wrong again:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I read that bill a month or 2 ago. Unless it's been changed in that time, the one thing it DOESN'T have that would definitely improve the entire election process is a validation requirement and protocol, specifically, statistical study like the one highlighted by the Mitofsky Report, as a basis for closer vote examination.
It sure would be nice to be able to demonstrate there were no signs of mass cheating, and if there were, to be able to go back and conduct a good examination of when, how, and who.
Subtitle F
—Promoting Accuracy, Integrity, And Security Through Voter-Verified
Permanent Paper Ballot
SEC. 1501. SHORT TITLE.
This subtitle may be cited as the “Voter Confidence and Increased Accessibility Act of 2021”.
SEC. 1502. PAPER BALLOT AND MANUAL COUNTING REQUIREMENTS.
(a) In General.—Section 301(a)(2) of the Help America Vote Act of 2002 (52 U.S.C. 21081(a)(2)) is amended to read as follows:
“(2) Paper ballot requirement.—
“(A) VOTER-VERIFIED PAPER BALLOTS.—
“(i) PAPER BALLOT REQUIREMENT.—_(I) The voting system shall require the use of an individual, durable, voter-verified paper ballot of the voter’s vote that shall be marked and made available for inspection and verification by the voter before the voter’s vote is cast and counted, and which shall be counted by hand or read by an optical character recognition device or other counting device. For purposes of this subclause, the term ‘individual, durable, voter-verified paper ballot’ means a paper ballot marked by the voter by hand or a paper ballot marked through the use of a nontabulating ballot marking device or system, so long as the voter shall have the option to mark his or her ballot by hand.
“(II) The voting system shall provide the voter with an opportunity to correct any error on the paper ballot before the permanent voter-verified paper ballot is preserved in accordance with clause (ii).
“(Ill) The voting system shall not preserve the voter-verified paper ballots in any manner that makes it possible, at any time after the ballot has been cast, to associate a voter with the record of the voter’s vote without the voter’s consent.
“(ii) PRESERVATION AS OFFICIAL RECORD.—The individual, durable, voter-verified paper ballot used in accordance with clause (i) shall constitute the official ballot and shall be preserved and used as the official ballot for purposes of any recount or audit conducted with respect to any election for Federal office in which the voting system is used.
More at https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1/text#toc-H0C
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What part of statistical analysis (as in the Mitofsky Report and per recommendation by the CalTech/ MIT Vote Project) for validation (as opposed to verification) is in the bill?
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Quote:HR-1 mentions reports 454 times. The first time is Annual reports on voter registration statistics. Is a "Mitofsky Report", or the equivalent, in there? Maybe. I will let you look for it. But if a Mitofsky Report is not specifically mentioned by name, Congress can always request a special report "for validation".
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
What part of statistical analysis (as in the Mitofsky Report and per recommendation by the CalTech/ MIT Vote Project) for validation (as opposed to verification) is in the bill?
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The problem with HR1 is that it is TOO BIG ... just like a lot of other boondoggle bills. They don't call it a "omnibus" bill for nothing!
Anyone can find something in there to promote, and present the bill "as" something, when in reality there are an awful lot of provisions in it. Many are positive- many [more IMHO] are negative. Instead of just waving our arms in the air and discussing somebody's interpretation of a single point of HR1, let's get down to specifics.
Here is HR1 content, by title
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PART 1 -PROMOTING INTERNET REGISTRATION
I can see a LOT of problems with this one already! How do you prove your citizenship and your identity online? Anyone could claim to be anyone unless they have to present their birth certificate or naturalization papers and picture ID, and doing this isn't possible online, nor is the internet secure. In addition, the people most likely to benefit from this - rural, poor, elderly etc- are also the people least likely to have access.
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PART 2- AUTOMATIC VOTER REGISTRATION
More problems here, too. Unless the person is getting a "real ID"-equivalent driver's license, identity can be spoofed.
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PART 3 - SAME DAY VOTER REGISTRATION
More problems here, too. Difficulty in making sure that the same person is not registered in two, or three, places, because there is no time to go across the voter rolls and eliminate multiple entries.
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PART 4 - CONDITIONS ON REMOVAL ON BASIS OF INTERSTATE CROSS CHECKS
The law makes it easier to add people to the voter rolls (interfering in state and county functioning), and harder to remove them on statewide or countywide checks.
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PART 5- OTHER INITIATIVES TO PROMOTE VOTER REGISTRATION
Why "promote" voter registration? I can see removing barriers, but handing out registration like candy to 2-year olds, because people don't make the effort to register themselves?
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PART 6- AVAILABILITY OF HAVA PAYMENTS REQUIREMENTS
If this is what I think it is, then helping people pay for the necessary ID documents is a good idea.
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PART 7 - PROHIBITING INTERFERNCE WITH VOTER REGISTRATION
I can't imagine actual interference with voter registration. I CAN, however, imagine Dems into interpreting insistence on ACTUAL ID DOCUMENTS as being "interference". I would have to read the bill in detail to see the scope of this provision.
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PART 8- VOTER REGISTRATION EFFICIENCY ACT
Has to do with driver's license application to a new state.
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PART 9 - PROVIDING VOTER REGISTRATION INFORMATION TO SECONDAR SCHOOL STUDENTS
Um, OK. Voting age... is it the same from state to state?
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PART 10 - VOTER REGISTRATION OF MINORS
Nakedly partisan act. Minors can't enter into contracts, purchase addictive substances, drive after dark an without an adult, or serve on a jury, join the military, but they can vote???
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SUBTITLE B- ACCESS TO VOTING FOR INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES
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SUBTITLE C- PROHIBITING VOTER CAGING
For the uninitiated "voter caging" is "challenging the registration status of voters and calling into question the legality of allowing them to vote."
It's legal in many states, and seems to be a reasonable provision. How else do you remove invalid registrations??
Quote:Nobody is in favor of deceptive practices (like providing wrong dat, time, or place of vote) but I can see this stretched to include legitimate actions, like requiring signatures or 6-foot spacing or security guards as a form of "intimidation"
SUBTITLE D - PROHIBITING DECEPTIVE PRACTICES AND PREVENTING VOTER INTIMIDATION
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SUBTITLE E- DEMOCRACY RESTORIATION
This appears to be about restoring right to vote after imprisonment and release
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SUBTITLE F - PROMOTING ACCURACY, INTEGRITY, AND SECURITY THROUGH VOTER-VERIFIED PERMANENTNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Posted without review
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Key Things You Need to Know About HR 1, the For the People Act of 2021
By Masooma Haq
March 6, 2021 Updated: March 6, 2021
On Wednesday, Democrats in the House passed H.R. 1, the For the People Act of 2021, which was introduced by Rep. John Sarbanes (D-Md.). The election reform package, if passed by the Senate, would transfer authority over how elections are administered from states to the federal government, subject private citizens to intimidation and harassment for their private and political beliefs, and make permanent many voting rules that opponents say lead to voter fraud.
The 791 page-long H.R. 1 legislation package, which was marked up by members of the 116th Congress, was adopted without much debate. Some provisions, like ensuring that all voting machines used in U.S. elections are also manufactured in the United States or increasing access for voters with disabilities, are supported by both sides, but most other provisions are contentious.
The sweeping election reform package is divided into three major sections; the second section is the main body of the legislation, with three subsections: a) Voting, b) Campaign Finance, and c) Ethics. Section three is the Findings of General Constitutional Authority and section four is the Standards for Judicial Review.
These are some of the key changes to election laws in H.R. 1:
Gives the federal government authority to administer elections: Although the U.S. Constitution gives states the authority to run their elections as they see fit, Democrats have interpreted the Constitution in their favor, stating in H.R. 1, “Congress finds that it has broad authority to regulate the time, place, and manner of congressional elections under the Elections Clause of the Constitution, Article I, section 4.”
Limits a plaintiff’s access to federal courts when challenging H.R. 1: It would mandate that any lawsuits challenging the constitutionality of H.R. 1 could only be filed in the District Court for the District of Columbia and all plaintiffs would be required “to file joint papers or to be represented by a single attorney at oral argument.”
Mandates automatic voter registration (AVR) in all 50 states (19 states currently have AVR): Democrats call this “modernizing” elections, meaning automatically registering any person that has given information to designated government agencies, such as the Department of Motor Vehicles, a public university, or a social service agency would be registered. It mandates same-day and online registration.
Mandates no-fault absentee ballots: This provision would do away with witness signature or notarization requirements for absentee ballots. Additionally, it would force states to accept absentee ballots received up to 10 days after Election Day.
Prevents election officials from removing ineligible voters from registries or confirming the eligibility and qualifications of voters: The bill would make it illegal to verify the address of registered voters, cross-checking voter registration lists to find individuals registered in multiple states, or ever removing registrants no matter how much time has elapsed.
Restores the Voting Rights Act: This provision would require states to obtain approval from the federal government before implementing any voting rules changes. H.R. 1 would add a provision criminalizing “hindering, interfering, or preventing” anyone from registering or voting.
Bans state voter ID laws: It would force states to allow individuals to vote without an ID and instead they could merely sign a statement in which they claim they are who they say they are.
Ensures illegal immigrants can vote: The bill would shield non-citizens from prosecution if they are registered to vote automatically and agencies are not required to keep records of who declined to affirm their citizenship.
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There is NO mention of doing statistical analysis to validate the election as recommend by the CalTech/ MIT Vote Project. None at all. There is NO mention of election validation as recommend by the CalTech/ MIT Vote Project. None at all.
I read it. I looked for those things specifically. And they are not there.
If the House asked the real experts what to do about voting, it didn't show up in the bill.
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Quote:Is it really nakedly partisan to get the youth to vote? Because once they quit school in the 10th grade, their civics education ends for the rest of their lives and most of them won't vote more than once every 4 years until they are very, very old people, but there are elections every year, sometimes several, and the most important one, the primary election that really decides who runs the country, hardly anybody either young or old can be bothered to vote in.
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PART 9 - PROVIDING VOTER REGISTRATION INFORMATION TO SECONDARY SCHOOL STUDENTS
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PART 10 - VOTER REGISTRATION OF MINORS
Nakedly partisan act. Minors can't enter into contracts, purchase addictive substances, drive after dark an without an adult, or serve on a jury, join the military, but they can vote???
Our calculations, based on votes counted as of November 18, suggest that 52%-55% of voting-eligible young people, ages 18-29, cast a ballot in the 2020 presidential election. Using the same methodology and data from a week after the election in 2016, we had previously estimated that youth voter turnout in 2016 was 42-44%.
Youth Voter Turnout Increased in 2020
https://circle.tufts.edu/latest-research/election-week-2020#youth-vote
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A closer look at turnout, young voters and a key Bernie Sanders strategy
https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/mar/04/closer-look-turnout-you
ng-voters-and-key-bernie-sa/
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An 18-year-old isn't a "minor", SECONDRATE.
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Quote:A 10th grader who is about to drop out of school forever, ending all civics education for that kid, is a minor. The kids who drop out are the ones who should be voting when they turn 18, rather than waiting until they are bitter old fool Trumptards who are voting for the very first time for the guy they fervently hope can somehow fix the messed up life their 16 year old self created when they dropped out of school 30 years back.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
An 18-year-old isn't a "minor", SECONDRATE.
Percentage of the population in the United States who have completed high school or more from 1960 to 2019, by gender, 25 years and older
https://www.statista.com/statistics/184266/educational-attainment-of-h
igh-school-diploma-or-higher-by-gender/
States Ranked by Percent of Population 25 and Over Without a High School Diploma
https://www.censusscope.org/us/rank_education_withouths_2000.html
Percent of Population 25 and Over Without a High School Diploma
1. Mississippi 27.14%
2. Kentucky 25.88%
3. Louisiana 25.19%
4. West Virginia 24.79%
5. Alabama 24.73%
6. Arkansas 24.69%
7. Texas 24.35%
Not unexpected that Trumptard states have an abundance of high school dropouts.
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Quote:And, you think dropping out is a good qualification for voting?
SECONDRATE: The kids who drop out are the ones who should be voting when they turn 18
Seems like the dropouts have already made their first big, bad choice. How about making high school graduation a requirement instead?
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Quote:We already have a seriously malfunctioning government that is controlled by the richest people with the most advantages in life. How did that happen? When the country started, the richest people with the most real estate were the only ones who were allowed to vote. Signym, if you want bring back George Washington, why stop with requiring a diploma? Go all the way and require a certain amount of wealth before you can vote.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:And, you think dropping out is a good qualification for voting?
SECONDRATE: The kids who drop out are the ones who should be voting when they turn 18
Seems like the dropouts have already made their first big, bad choice. How about making high school graduation a requirement instead?
The Founders and the Vote
https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/elections/right-to-vote/the-fo
unders-and-the-vote/
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Quote:What does that have to do with registering minors?
A 10th grader who is about to drop out of school forever, ending all civics education for that kid, is a minor.
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PART 10—VOTER REGISTRATION OF MINORS 4SEC. 1094.
ACCEPTANCE OF VOTER REGISTRATION APPLICATIONS FROM INDIVIDUALS UNDER 18 YEARS OF AGE.
(1) IN GENERAL.— A State may not refuse to accept or process an individual’s application to register to vote in elections for Federal office on the grounds that the individual is under 18 years of age at the time the individual submits the application, so long as the individual is at least 16 years of age at such time.
(2) NO EFFECT ON STATE VOTING AGE REQUIREMENTS.— Nothing in paragraph (1) may be construed to require a State to permit an individual who is under 18 years of age at the time of an election for Federal office to vote in the election.
So, minors 16 and over are allowed to REGISTER but not to VOTE. What a mess THAT could make of the voting process, adding one more area of complexity where it doesn't need to exist.
That's how I read it. It's one more step to create loopholes in who may register, and who may vote.
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More Russian troll lies, from our usual troll cunts who need to kill themselves.
You are shit. Die like it.
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PART 10—VOTER REGISTRATION OF MINORS 4SEC. 1094.
ACCEPTANCE OF VOTER REGISTRATION APPLICATIONS FROM INDIVIDUALS UNDER 18 YEARS OF AGE.
(1) IN GENERAL.— A State may not refuse to accept or process an individual’s application to register to vote in elections for Federal office on the grounds that the individual is under 18 years of age at the time the individual submits the application, so long as the individual is at least 16 years of age at such time.
(2) NO EFFECT ON STATE VOTING AGE REQUIREMENTS.— Nothing in paragraph (1) may be construed to require a State to permit an individual who is under 18 years of age at the time of an election for Federal office to vote in the election.
TEXT OF BILL
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1/text#toc-H0C
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and of course that poor Russian Troll™ SECOND, who provided the link.
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More Russian troll lies, from our usual troll cunts who need to kill themselves.
You are shit. Die like it.
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Quote:In Texas, the zip codes with the higher percent registered voters get better services. Once the people are registered voters, even if they don't vote in every election, they get preferential treatment from Texas government. If they are registered before eligibility to vote, they are more likely to start voting when they are old enough. By the way, the Republican Party would very much prefer that only the old, rich and white males get registered because white women tend not to be Trumptards as often as white men.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:What does that have to do with registering minors?
A 10th grader who is about to drop out of school forever, ending all civics education for that kid, is a minor.Quote:
PART 10—VOTER REGISTRATION OF MINORS 4SEC. 1094.
ACCEPTANCE OF VOTER REGISTRATION APPLICATIONS FROM INDIVIDUALS UNDER 18 YEARS OF AGE.
(1) IN GENERAL.— A State may not refuse to accept or process an individual’s application to register to vote in elections for Federal office on the grounds that the individual is under 18 years of age at the time the individual submits the application, so long as the individual is at least 16 years of age at such time.
(2) NO EFFECT ON STATE VOTING AGE REQUIREMENTS.— Nothing in paragraph (1) may be construed to require a State to permit an individual who is under 18 years of age at the time of an election for Federal office to vote in the election.
So, minors 16 and over are allowed to REGISTER but not to VOTE. What a mess THAT could make of the voting process, adding one more area of complexity where it doesn't need to exist.
That's how I read it. It's one more step to create loopholes in who may register, and who may vote.
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Quote:Wow, now THAT'S a stretch! Correlation does not equal causation.
SECONDRATE: In Texas, the zip codes with the higher percent registered voters get better services.
And once everyone is registered to vote, do you really think that services will increase across-the-board?
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"19 States have AVR."
OR 2016
GA admin 2016
AK 2017
VT 2017
CO partial 2017
CA 2018
NJ 2018
RI 2018
MD 2019
MI 2019
WA 2019
MA 2020
NV 2020
CT admin 2020
ME 2022
NY 2023
IL not implemented
VA not implemented
WV not implemented
hmmmmm.
Other than AK, WV, looks like a list of Libtard Democrap Shitholes.
11 have laws, 2 are administrative policies, 1 is only partial, 2 are scheduled in the future. That is 13 currently.
3 are not implemented, and IL has missed it's deadline apparently.
Does it seem coincidence that those seem to be the only States which Obiden may have actually "won" in 2020? Other than AK, WV, GA, MI.
hmmm??
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Quote:States controlled by Trumptards don't want people to register. How do Trumptards get control of a state legislature in order to write laws keeping people from registering? By having a population majority of Trumptards. Once that happens, gerrymandering the state legislature districts can keep Trumptards in control even after Trumptards are no longer in the majority.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Does it seem coincidence that those seem to be the only States which Obiden may have actually "won" in 2020? Other than AK, WV, GA, MI.
hmmm??
Someday in the not so distant future, Trumptards will lose control of the Texas legislature. Soon after, no Republican will ever again be elected President, unless the Electoral College is abolished beforehand. But if abolished, Republicans won't get elected President even sooner. Either way, Trumptards are gonna wish that Texas had never joined the Union.
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Quote:What does that have to do with registering MINORS in the House bill?
In Texas, the zip codes with the higher percent registered voters get better services.
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Quote:It has everything to do with why Trumptards would be opposed to HR-1. They do NOT want to be pressured to provide more services to zip codes with more youngsters, which just so happen to be the zip codes with a majority of non-whites. And Trumptards sure as hell don't want non-whites to vote starting at 18 years old. Getting them registered before 18 would encourage them to vote at 18.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:What does that have to do with registering MINORS in the House bill?
In Texas, the zip codes with the higher percent registered voters get better services.
These sort of stories really make Trumptards crazy :
More than two-thirds of Texans under age 19 are non-white, according to new census figures.
https://www.texastribune.org/2016/06/23/texas-children-make-most-diver
se-generation/
The U.S. Census Bureau projects that, by the middle of 2020, nonwhites will account for the majority of the nation’s 74 million children.
https://today.tamu.edu/2020/01/13/children-of-color-already-make-up-th
e-majority-of-kids-in-many-us-states/
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If you can't smoke and drink until you're 21, you shouldn't be allowed to vote either.
Period.
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Quote:You mean the very few percent of 16 to <18 yr old non-voters who might register is going to make a substantial difference in how resources get apportioned across the country? Remember, we're talking about that very narrow demographic. Not about "under 19", or "youngsters", but that very narrow age range.
It has everything to do with why Trumptards would be opposed to HR-1. They do NOT want to be pressured to provide more services to zip codes with more youngsters.
So, you got a link for that? Because if not, I'll just file this under 'more ignorable junk' from SECOND.
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It's extremely ignorable.
Not only is it a meaningless demographic that isn't going to go out and vote in the first place anyhow, but Second is going to make the argument all day long that requiring photo IDs are racist because we can't expect black people to have enough willpower to go out and get themselves an ID card.
This is just the first step. Allow kids to register between 16 and 18, and then there's no reason why we don't just require every kid to be registered while they're attending high school.
Add that to fake mail in ballots with no actual checks to make sure that the person actually voted, which will eventually morph into simply texting a five digit number for your candidate from your cell phone and we've got ourselves Presidential Elections, American Idol style.
Second will talk all day about how stupid people who vote for Trump are, but at the same time he wants voting to cater to the laziest people in the country and be dumbed down for the lowest IQ folk in the country.
Those two wishes don't seem to jibe with his idea that Democrats are smarter than Republicans to me.
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Quote:So, SECONDRATE has bascially admitted that much of HR1 is a partisan Dem effort to change the voting demographic so that Republicans will never be voted into office again.
SECONDRATE: These sort of stories really make Trumptards crazy :
More than two-thirds of Texans under age 19 are non-white, according to new census figures.
https://www.texastribune.org/2016/06/23/texas-children-make-most-diver
se-generation/
The U.S. Census Bureau projects that, by the middle of 2020, nonwhites will account for the majority of the nation’s 74 million children.
https://today.tamu.edu/2020/01/13/children-of-color-already-make-up-th
e-majority-of-kids-in-many-us-states/
It's not about "reform".
Yep, I noticed that, too. Thanks for admitting that, SECONDRATE.
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Quote:The quantity of old, white Trumptards is shrinking while the quantity of young, non-white Libtards is growing. That is why the Republican Party is opposed to HR-1. If the GOP had a strategy to win young, non-white voters, the GOP would NOT be opposed to HR-1. But the GOP doesn't have such a strategy, which is why the GOP partisans hate HR-1.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:So, SECONDRATE has bascially admitted that much of HR1 is a partisan Dem effort to change the voting demographic so that Republicans will never be voted into office again.
SECONDRATE: These sort of stories really make Trumptards crazy :
More than two-thirds of Texans under age 19 are non-white, according to new census figures.
https://www.texastribune.org/2016/06/23/texas-children-make-most-diver
se-generation/
The U.S. Census Bureau projects that, by the middle of 2020, nonwhites will account for the majority of the nation’s 74 million children.
https://today.tamu.edu/2020/01/13/children-of-color-already-make-up-th
e-majority-of-kids-in-many-us-states/
It's not about "reform".
Yep, I noticed that, too. Thanks for admitting that, SECONDRATE.
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Originally posted by second:
The quantity of old, white Trumptards is shrinking while the quantity of young, non-white Libtards is growing. That is why the Republican Party is opposed to HR-1. If the GOP had a strategy to win young, non-white voters, the GOP would NOT be opposed to HR-1. But the GOP doesn't have such a strategy, which is why the GOP partisans hate HR-1.
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Too bad for that racist theory that EVERY house seat that Democrats lost in 2020 were to minority and female Republicans.
It's true. Look it up. I'll wait.
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Quote:There are thousands of blacks crazier than Clarence Thomas, Ben Carson, Tamara Bonzanto, Michael Kubayanda. The GOP maintains a list of insane people suitable for office if enough advertising money is spent to make them look sane. But 6ix, Trumptards stay crazy even when they win.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
The quantity of old, white Trumptards is shrinking while the quantity of young, non-white Libtards is growing. That is why the Republican Party is opposed to HR-1. If the GOP had a strategy to win young, non-white voters, the GOP would NOT be opposed to HR-1. But the GOP doesn't have such a strategy, which is why the GOP partisans hate HR-1.
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Too bad for that racist theory that EVERY house seat that Democrats lost in 2020 were to minority and female Republicans.
It's true. Look it up. I'll wait.
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First off, it's March 7th and you can't even go a single day without talking about Trump.
YOU are now the Trumptard.
Secondly, that doesn't sound like an argument. That sounds like any way you look at it you lose.
If I were you, I wouldn't be so worried about the minority members of Congress that are being voted in on the Republican side. I'd be more worried about all the minority voters that stray from your narrative and vote the way that you don't like.
Democrats don't do shit for minority Citizens. The real "Woke" going on in this country is the minorities figuring that out for themselves.
All that Democrats are doing by making Race take the spotlight on every issue is shining a light on their own racism and how little they think about the willpower, drive and ability of anybody who isn't white.
It's insulting.
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Quote:I will insult you and your kind some more: Sad watching the fat man blundering through his Presidency. Sad watching 75,000,000 Trumptards stumble through life.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
First off, it's March 7th and you can't even go a single day without talking about Trump.
YOU are now the Trumptard.
Secondly, that doesn't sound like an argument. That sounds like any way you look at it you lose.
If I were you, I wouldn't be so worried about the minority members of Congress that are being voted in on the Republican side. I'd be more worried about all the minority voters that stray from your narrative and vote the way that you don't like.
Democrats don't do shit for minority Citizens. The real "Woke" going on in this country is the minorities figuring that out for themselves.
All that Democrats are doing by making Race take the spotlight on every issue is shining a light on their own racism and how little they think about the willpower, drive and ability of anybody who isn't white.
It's insulting.
From looking closely for decades at the details of Trumptards' lives flowing slowly (or in some cases very fast) downhill, you Trumptards have no idea what you are doing. It's one random thing after another and then you die never understanding what you did wrong.
It is no surprise Trumptards are on the lower rungs of the economic ladder. No surprise that your childhoods were troubled followed by troubled adulthood, marriages and divorces, followed by ill health and early death. No surprise you have substance addictions, whether food, alcohol, tobacco or drugs. No surprise you get fired or go bankrupt. And certainly no surprise when Trumptards vote for Trump, the biggest dumbest American. It would be completely out of character if you didn't vote for him. He is you, if you had inherited a billion dollars and then claimed you're a self-made billionaire.
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Originally posted by second:
I will insult you and your kind some more:
Don't care. Didn't read.
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Quote:Executive Order on Promoting Access to Voting
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Don't care. Didn't read.
March 07, 2021 • Presidential Actions
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows:
. . . expand the Federal Government’s policy of granting employees time off to vote in Federal, State, local, Tribal, and territorial elections. . . .
the Secretary of Defense shall establish procedures, consistent with applicable law, to affirmatively offer, on an annual basis, each member of the Armed Forces on active duty the opportunity to register to vote in Federal elections, update voter registration information, or request an absentee ballot. . . .
The Attorney General shall establish procedures, consistent with applicable law, for coordinating with the Probation and Pretrial Services Office of the Administrative Office of the United States Courts to provide educational materials related to voter registration and voting to all eligible individuals under the supervision of the Probation and Pretrial Services Office, and to facilitate voter registration and voting by such individuals. . . .
The Attorney General shall take appropriate steps, consistent with applicable law, to support formerly incarcerated individuals in obtaining a means of identification that satisfies State voter identification laws, including as required by 18 U.S.C. 4042(a)(6)(B). . . .
. . . increasing voter outreach, education, registration, and turnout in Native American communities; increasing voting access for Native American communities (including increasing accessibility for voters with disabilities); and mitigating internet accessibility issues that may hinder voter registration and ballot access in Native American communities; . . .
More at www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/03/07/execu
tive-order-on-promoting-access-to-voting/
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Fact Sheet: President Biden to Sign Executive Order to Promote Voting Access
March 07, 2021
. . . democracy doesn’t happen by accident. We have to defend, strengthen, and renew it. Free and fair elections that reflect the will of the American people must be protected and defended. Too many Americans face significant obstacles to exercising their fundamental right to vote. . . .
More at www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/03/07/fact-s
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Quote:Your shit sources are as pathetic as your shit logic, Russian troll.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Georgia House Passes Omnibus Election Reform Bill
https://www.theepochtimes.com/georgia-house-passes-omnibus-election-re
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Quote:You can read?
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
I will insult you and your kind some more:
Don't care. Didn't read.
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Yup.
I can also write.
I assume you didn't learn to read or write until college, so you think that anybody who didn't get a bachelor's degree isn't capable of either.
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I noticed that when SECONDRATE runs out of on-point posts, he resorts to slagging other posters.
Really, SECONDRATE?
And you call yourself intelligent????
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SECONDRATE seems to have proven my initial point:
Quote:
The problem with centralized control is that it is just as likely to be partisan at the national level as at the state level, and this is what we have here.
So, I have a question for you, SECOND: If the demographic trend is inexorable, why is the DNC working so hard to punch it forward?
Might it not be because even THEY are concerned that people will catch on to their hypocrisy, corruption, and greed, and leave the party as fast as the un-accelerated demographic shift will bring them in?
The Democrat Party is steadily losing members to that unaffiliated group called "indepdendents". (as, btw, is the Republican Party.)
I found this quote particularly relevant
Quote:
Most people are center-left, center-right, or apolitical in their views. This doesn’t mean they never vote, but more that they struggle to find candidates that align with their values and their identity. They’re unstable and unreliable voters. And of course many don’t vote that often, because it is hard to vote if the options are “bad” or “misaligned” with your own identity.
Let’s compare the US Senate breakdown. It is far less polarized. It more closely reflects the US population as a whole, because states cannot be Gerrymandered. There’s still a huge rural-voter-bias in the Senate (each rural vote is equivalent to 1.5-to-3 urban votes), leading to a near even split between the parties in 2018
https://chewychunks.wordpress.com/2018/11/07/2018-midterm-election-vs-
political-identity-of-the-general-population/
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Quote:Is there some important reason why Republicans don't want people to vote? There is. The GOP has introduced hundreds of bills in the state legislatures in the last 3 months to reduce the number of voters. Why so many bills? Because Trump lost. Almost as important, because two Georgian GOP Senators lost. HR-1 is to counteract those hundreds of GOP bills.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, I have a question for you, SECOND: If the demographic trend is inexorable, why is the DNC working so hard to punch it forward?
Might it not be because even THEY are concerned that people will catch on to their hypocrisy, corruption, and greed, and leave the party as fast as the un-accelerated demographic shift will bring them in?
The Democrat Party is steadily losing members to that unaffiliated group called "indepdendents". (as, btw, is the Republican Party.)
As for voters deciding they are Independent, they aren't really Independent unless they vote for Libertarians or the Green Party. When they do, they are certainly teaching the Democratic Party and the GOP a lesson by filling up Congress with so many Green Party Congressmen that I can't count them all.
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Quote:I'm not intelligent; would I be here if I was? I'm rich. Being rich and stupid and loving a TV show deader than the Beverly Hillbillies aren't often a winning combination, unless you inherited wealth as Trump did, but in my case I overcame my intellectual shortcomings with excellent health, long hours of work, and concentration on a few simple things that I know work from talking to rich people.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I noticed that when SECONDRATE runs out of on-point posts, he resorts to slagging other posters.
Really, SECONDRATE?
And you call yourself intelligent????
As the lawyer for Arizona’s Republican Party conceded last week in oral arguments at the biggest voting rights challenge at the Supreme Court this term, the party is interested in limiting access to the ballot in swing states because otherwise, the GOP is at “a competitive disadvantage relative to Democrats.”
These measures are being passed in reaction to provably false claims that the 2020 election was stolen, despite record numbers of audits, lawsuits, and government findings that the election was one of the most secure in American history. The response to this assurance has become that it doesn’t matter because voters no longer trust the elections system—an answer advanced by people who are aware that they are lying. On Tuesday, Mike Pence—who could have lost his life on Jan. 6 due to false claims of a stolen election—joined the “people are saying” chorus with an op-ed frothing up the Big Lie that the 2020 contest was rife with dubious practices. Pence writes: “After an election marked by significant voting irregularities and numerous instances of officials setting aside state election law, I share the concerns of millions of Americans about the integrity of the 2020 election.” Ignoring the fact that his own running mate actually seeded, watered, and fertilized the myth of a stolen election, Pence expressed sober dismay at the fact that “polling shows that large numbers of Democrats did not trust the outcome of the 2016 election and that large numbers of Republicans still do not trust the outcome of the 2020 election.” Cause, meet effect. You guys should hang out.
Pence’s ostensible goal in penning this mess wasn’t to encourage more election truthers to storm the Capitol but to target H.R. 1, the sweeping voting rights bill that passed in the House of Representatives on Thursday. H.R. 1 provides for, among many other things, same-day and automatic voter registration, restoring the franchise to people with criminal records, and an expansion of early voting, voting by mail, and absentee drop boxes. Many states passed these reforms before COVID-19; others adopted them because of the pandemic. Now that the country has held one presidential election with widespread mail voting—leading to historically high participation without any demonstrable increase in fraudulent voting—Democrats want to make the option permanent. The nearly 800-page package also includes many large-scale anti-corruption measures, including the mandatory release of presidential tax returns, regulation of inaugural committees and campaign coordination with foreign interests, an end to partisan gerrymandering for congressional districts, and more robust regulations of campaign finance and dark money.
H.R. 1 passed the House in 2019 but was never taken up in the Senate under Mitch McConnell. In 2021 under Chuck Schumer, the companion Senate bill, S 1, will still likely be stymied, this time by the continued existence of the filibuster. But the real story here is the frantic blowback to the legislation from the selfsame groups that would be regulated or undermined by sweeping democracy reform. That’s why conservative dark money groups like the American Action Network and the American Principles Project were out on the ramparts last week, pushing the same false claims that Mike Pence is peddling. Dark money doesn’t want dark money to be regulated or seen, but since disclosure laws tend to poll well, Pence has framed H.R. 1’s restricti
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Quote:Is there a reason you're still beating your wife, SECONDRATE?
SIGNYM:So, I have a question for you, SECOND: If the demographic trend is inexorable, why is the DNC working so hard to punch it forward?
Might it not be because even THEY are concerned that people will catch on to their hypocrisy, corruption, and greed, and leave the party as fast as the un-accelerated demographic shift will bring them in?
The Democrat Party is steadily losing members to that unaffiliated group called "indepdendents". (as, btw, is the Republican Party.)
SECONDRATE: Is there some important reason why Republicans don't want people to vote?
Quote:Unless you provide a lengthy list of actual bills ... enough to make a fair representation of the "hundreds" that you say exist... and demonstrate that their purpose is to reduce the number of voters (and not, say, to ensure voter eligibility) then this is just a slur on your part.
There is. The GOP has introduced hundreds of bills in the state legislatures in the last 3 months to reduce the number of voters.
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There have been mayors, county supervisors, state Legislatures, and State Secretaries who've mishandled voting, vote counting, voter rolls, and pretty much every aspect of the voting process, and they've been in BOTH parties.
For example, Katherine Harris (FL) conducted a draconian purge of voter rolls back in 2000, IIRC.
How about solving some REAL problems instead of trying to fix problems that aren't there?
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Quote:REAL problems:
Originally posted by SignyM:
There have been mayors, county supervisors, state Legislatures, and State Secretaries who've mishandled voting, vote counting, voter rolls, and pretty much every aspect of the voting process, and they've been in BOTH parties.
For example, Katherine Harris (FL) conducted a draconian purge of voter rolls back in 2000, IIRC.
How about solving some REAL problems instead of trying to fix problems that aren't there?
Conservative senators and representatives voted to throw out the results from multiple states, a move that would disenfranchise millions of Americans who cast lawful ballots under valid state election laws. Republicans’ new rule appears to be that Congress may indeed regulate federal elections but only when it wants to either suppress or nullify votes.
GOP state attorneys general, too, are eager to repeal state election results that they dislike. Many of the attorneys general who signed on to Wednesday’s letter also supported Texas’ bogus attempt to set aside the 2020 results. (They are also members of the Republican Attorneys General Association, the cancerous hate group that actively fomented insurrection on Jan. 6.) These partisans’ farcical lawsuit asked the Supreme Court to throw out every vote in four states won by Joe Biden, then direct each state’s legislature to declare Donald Trump the winner. Back then, they claimed that the Supreme Court, as in nine unelected justices, hold the authority to nullify millions of votes cast pursuant to valid election laws. But now they argue that democratically elected lawmakers in Congress have no power to exercise their constitutional prerogative to create uniform standards for federal races.
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Fake mail-in election was fake.
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What went right in the 2020 election
By Shira Ovide
A lot went wrong after the 2020 election in the United States. But here’s one thing that went right during it: A risk everyone worried about — foreign election interference — mostly failed.
That showed what is possible when government officials and technology companies are laser focused on a problem, effectively coordinate and learn from their past mistakes.
But the false narrative that the election was stolen, culminating in a mob attack on the U.S. Capitol, also pointed to the limits of those efforts. The Russians or the Chinese didn’t delegitimize our election. We did it to ourselves.
Today, I want to explore the glass half-full view. The largely averted threat of foreign election meddling was a success that shouldn’t be overlooked.
What went wrong the last time
Let me first remind you what happened around the 2016 election. Russian hackers pilfered documents from the Democratic National Committee and tried to muck around with state election infrastructure. Digital propagandists backed by the Russian government also fanned information on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube and elsewhere that sought to erode people’s faith in voting or inflame social divisions.
Powerful American institutions — notably local, state and federal government officials as well as large internet companies — were slow to tackle the problem or had initially dismissed it. The effect of the hacking and trolling wasn’t clear, but the worry was that foreign governments would regularly seek to disrupt U.S. elections and that it would contribute to Americans’ lack of trust in our systems and with one another.
What happened in 2020
Some foreign governments, including Russia and Iran, tried to disrupt our elections again, but it mostly didn’t work. The same U.S. institutions and digital defenses that failed four years earlier largely held strong this time.
“The progress that was made between 2016 and 2020 was remarkable,” said Camille François, chief innovation officer at Graphika, a firm that analyzes manipulation of social networks.
What changed in government and tech
One major shift after 2016 was that federal government officials and the state and local officials who run elections overcame initial mistrust to collaborate more effectively on voting threats. Matt Masterson, who until recently was a senior adviser on election security for the Department of Homeland Security, said coordination was the biggest change that helped shore up digital defenses in election management systems.
“This is as good as the federal government has worked on any issue in my experience,” Masterson said.
He also credited efforts in states, notably Georgia, that created paper trails of ballots that could be audited quickly and provide more visibility into the vote counting to help increase people’s trust in the election process.
The tech companies, François said, shifted to acknowledge their blind spots. For the first time, online powers including Facebook wrote policies specifically tackling foreign government meddling and put people in charge of stopping it. They also made it harder for foreign trolls to use some of their 2016 tactics, such as buying online advertisements to circulate divisive messages widely.
Social media companies also started to publicly announce when they found campaigns by foreign governments that were used to mislead people online. François said that helped researchers and journalists better assess the techniques of foreign propagandists — and the shared knowledge helped internet companies stop trolling campaigns before they had a big impact.
Cooperation improved between government and tech companies, too. There were regular meetings between major internet companies and the federal officials responsible for election protection to share information. And internet companies began to tell the public when the U.S. government tipped them off about foreign interference on their websites.
Both François and Masters
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Quote:The REAL real problem?
SIGNYM: There have been mayors, county supervisors, state Legislatures, and State Secretaries who've mishandled voting, vote counting, voter rolls, and pretty much every aspect of the voting process, and they've been in BOTH parties.
For example, Katherine Harris (FL) conducted a draconian purge of voter rolls back in 2000, IIRC.
How about solving some REAL problems instead of trying to fix problems that aren't there?
SECONDRATE: REAL problems:
Conservative senators and representatives voted to throw out the results from multiple states, a move that would disenfranchise millions of Americans who cast lawful ballots under valid state election laws.
The way mail in ballots were handled.
There were signed affidavits attesting to boxes of unfolded, otherwise blank, identically-marked (for Biden) ballots being fed into the ballot-counting machine. Strange pauses in the counting, then weird jumps in the Biden tally.
There was no way to validate the votes because outer envelopes with signatures were stripped and thrown out, so you couldn't even match the number of envelopes with the number of ballots. Or ballots were accepted without even attempting to verify the signatures. Or ballots came in bundles, indicative of ballot harvesting.
The people who oversaw these multiple clusterfucks were mostly Dems, not Repubs. We can blame their incompetence (at best) or fraud (at worst) for calling into question valid votes from legitimate voters.
The rest of your post is just so much blah blah blah. Links, or it hasn't happened.
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I haven't been paying attention enough.
Is HR 1 the same bill as the Covid Rescue bill?
I guess the Rescue plan has less than 10% of it's funding for actual Covid - related spending.
Today I heard that GOP Senators tried to pass amendments to NOT pay $1,400 Stimulus payments to Prisoners (in prison), and also same for Illegal Aliens.
Dems blocked boith - ALL Senate Dems.
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HR 1 is not the same as the "Covid" bill.
Anything in the "Covid" bill is being pushed under the budget so it can pass with only 50 votes plus the Harris tie-breaker, and has to be directly related to the 2021 budget or can be stripped out (see: the $15 minimum wage increase).
HR 1 will not become law. It needs to 60 votes in the Senate to pass, which it will not receive.
Prepare to watch the Legacy Media try to destroy the GOP by only stating the good things in the bill that Republicans shot down while downplaying or completely omitting all the terrible things in that bill.
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Senator Jeff Merkley of Oregon, the principal sponsor of H.R. 1’s Senate analogue, has been urging his colleagues to consider ending the filibuster for these bills alone, even if they are unwilling to end it for all legislation.
HR1 is the Democrats’ Only Chance to Stop the GOP Assault on Voting Rights
The most explosive battle in decades over access to the voting booth will reach a new crescendo this week, as Republican-controlled states advance an array of measures to restrict the ballot, and the U.S. House of Representatives votes on the federal legislation that represents Democrats’ best chance to stop them.
It’s no exaggeration to say that future Americans could view the resolution of this struggle as a turning point in the history of U.S. democracy. The outcome could not only shape the balance of power between the parties, but determine whether that democracy grows more inclusive or exclusionary. To many civil-rights advocates and democracy scholars I’ve spoken with, this new wave of state-level bills constitutes the greatest assault on Americans’ right to vote since the Jim Crow era’s barriers to the ballot.
More at https://web.archive.org/web/20210304143034if_/https://www.theatlantic.
com/politics/archive/2021/03/democrats-need-hr-1-and-new-vra-protect-voting-rights/618171/
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Lies.
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Quote:Say, SEONDRATE, where IS that list of GOP measures to "restrict the ballot"?
Originally posted by second:
Senator Jeff Merkley of Oregon, the principal sponsor of H.R. 1’s Senate analogue, has been urging his colleagues to consider ending the filibuster for these bills alone, even if they are unwilling to end it for all legislation.
HR1 is the Democrats’ Only Chance to Stop the GOP Assault on Voting Rights
The most explosive battle in decades over access to the voting booth will reach a new crescendo this week, as Republican-controlled states advance an array of measures to restrict the ballot, blah blah blah ...
You keep posting about it, but so far I see no none. It's beginning to look like RUSSIA!COLLUSION!! all over again: all hot-air accusations, no substance.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
where IS that list of GOP measures to "restrict the ballot"?
You keep posting about it, but so far I see no none. It's beginning to look like RUSSIA!COLLUSION!! all over again: all hot-air accusations, no substance.
cker-2021
As of February 19, 2021, state lawmakers have carried over, prefiled, or introduced 253 bills with provisions that restrict voting access in 43 states
About 134,000,000 stories on bills restrict voting access:
https://www.google.com/search?q=bills+restrict+voting+access
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Quote:So, are these LEGITIMATE restrictions?
As of February 19, 2021, state lawmakers have carried over, prefiled, or introduced 253 bills with provisions that restrict voting access in 43 states
After all, we DO restrict voting! You must be a citizen, and over a certain age.
I would add that you must be able to provide proof of both your identity AND your citizenship, and follow whatever procedures are required to validate absentee or mail-in ballots.
Seems pretty brain-dead simple to me!
Now, on IT'S part, the state/county must provide secure and validate-able voting procedures, and follow them diligently in order to ensure that legitimate ballots aren't diluted with illegitimate ones.
Also pretty brain-dead simple!
In addition, I would require that any reforms be adopted at least a year (hopefully more) before any major election in order to help people through the registration and identity process. There should be financial assistance to make procuring the necessary papers (eg birth certificates) cost-free, and hotlines, online, and in-person help for those who are elderly or disabled to make it through the process.
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Text of election reform bill passed by Georgia state legislature
https://www.legis.ga.gov/api/legislation/document/20212022/198553
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ANALYSIS OF GEORGIA'S ELECTION REFORM BILL
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Georgia’s state Senate passed a comprehensive election reform bill on Monday that would, among multiple provisions, repeal no-excuse absentee voting and limit mail-in ballots to certain criteria.
The Republican-backed bill passed with a vote of 29-20. It now goes to the House Elections Integrity Committee where it is expected to be passed in the next several weeks. The bill must pass by March 31 to have a chance of becoming law by the end of the 2021 legislative session in Georgia, subject to Gov. Brian Kemp’s decision whether to sign or veto it.
The bill, SB 241 (pdf), contains sweeping changes to the Georgia Code related to elections and voting. Under the proposed legislation, those who are eligible to vote by mail will be limited to people who are physically disabled; or are over 65 years old; are eligible as a military or overseas voter; have a religious holiday around election day; work in elections; or somehow need to be outside their voting precinct during the early voting period and election day.
The bill would also eliminate no-excuse absentee voting, something that has been allowed in Georgia since 2005.
Among other provisions, the bill would require voter identification to request an absentee ballot. In addition, Georgia would be required to participate in a nongovernmental multi-state voter registration system to cross-check the eligibility of voters. The state’s current participation is voluntary. The bill also clarifies a law about mobile voting units, saying that these units be used only to replace current brick-and-mortar voting facilities, and not supplement them.
Under the bill, a telephone hotline would be set up to receive complaints and reports regarding voter intimidation and election fraud, which would be reviewed by the Attorney General within three days. The state Republican caucus said the hotline would help build trust in the election system since the host of the hotline, the Attorney General, is separate from the office running the election, the Secretary of State’s office.
“We’ve spent several hundred hours doing research and policy development around election integrity, addressing the lack of faith and integrity in our current election systems as expressed by many of our citizens,” the Georgia Senate Republican Caucus said in a statement. “We encourage all citizens to practice their civic duty, and in return, it is our responsibility to ensure public confidence and trust in the system, ensuring our rights are protected. SB 241 codifies open and honest reformation to a multitude of areas regarding election oversight, voting processes, and transparency.”
Shortly prior to the vote on the bill, Georgia Republicans issued a statement saying, “We want every person to vote. We want elections to be secure. We are open to solutions, but Georgia will not be vulnerable to voter fraud.” The statement presumably refers to the 2020 presidential election, which saw numerous allegations of voting irregularities and allegations of election fraud.
Lt. Gov. Geoff Duncan, Georgia’s No. 2 Republican, chose not to preside over the debate of the bill. He told the The Atlanta Journal-Constitution that he “refuses to be the presiding officer for a measure he so adamantly opposes,” according to the outlet.
John Albers, Kay Kirkpatrick and Brian Strickland, were the only Republican state senators who did not co-sponsor the bill. All three also chose to be excused from the vote. Another Republican, Chuck Hufstetler, was also excused from the vote.
Republican Majority Leader Mike Dugan, the main sponsor of the bill, said that amid the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus pandemic in the last election cycle, a surge in absentee ballots posed a burden on county election offices, reported The Associated Press.
“The increasing burden on local election offices and the increased cost to each of our counties has risen significantly,” Dugan said, according to the news wire service. “In recent years the number of mail-in absentee ballots haNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:Simple: stop Democrats from voting. Once passed, these laws will become Federal Court cases. The Republican legislators who voted for the laws will have their words as evidence that stopping Democrats was their intention. This will end with years of litigation in hundreds of cases. HR-1 will override all these cases, but HR-1 will itself be litigated for years, going all the way to the Supreme Court, much the same as Obamacare went to the Supreme Court.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Seems pretty brain-dead simple to me!
As of February 19, 2021, state lawmakers have carried over, prefiled, or introduced 253 bills with provisions that restrict voting access in 43 states
Also pretty brain-dead simple!
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Republicans Are Wasting Their Time With Vote Suppression Bills
Kevin Drum, March 9, 2021 – 10:34 am
Republicans have introduced a huge raft of bills in red states that would restrict voting in federal elections. And make no mistake: these bills are partisan cruise missiles aimed solely at reducing the Democratic vote. They are loathsome.
But they are also pretty conventional. For the most part, they include all the old-school Republican favorites like restrictions on Sunday voting, photo ID laws, and so forth. These are all things Republicans have been promoting for years, and none of them have turned out to be all that effective. In some cases this is because they simply don't affect very many votes, while in others it's because they spur a backlash that prompts Democratic-leaning voters to turn out in higher numbers.
The big new addition to this arsenal is an attack on mail voting. Republicans are apparently convinced that this cost them the 2020 election, but it turns out these bills are just more of the same old ineffectual rubbish. Ian Millhiser describes a natural study of Texas voters:
Texas is one of a handful of states that discriminate on the basis of age when determining who may vote absentee: Voters over the age of 65 are allowed to request an absentee ballot, but most voters under that age are required to vote in person. The researchers at Stanford’s Democracy and Polarization Lab compared turnout rates among 65-year-olds in Texas’s 2020 elections — that is, among voters who were eligible to vote absentee — to the turnout rates among 64-year-olds who mostly could not vote by mail.
They found that “65-year-olds in Texas turned out in 2020 at almost exactly the same rate as 64-year-olds, even though roughly 18% of 65-year-olds voted absentee while only 3% of 64-year-olds voted absentee.”
The end result was that 65-year-olds were more Democratic than 64-year-olds by 0.2 percentage points, a difference too small to even be meaningful.
Other studies have shown the same thing: All of these anti-mail measures have only a very tiny effect. It may make Republicans feel good to demonstrate a whirlwind of activity that Fox News is happy to spin as "protecting against fraudulent votes," but in the end it doesn't really buy them much.
On a moral plane, this does nothing to excuse what they're doing. But on a practical plane, it means they're mostly wasting their time.
https://jabberwocking.com/republicans-are-wasting-their-time-with-vote
-suppression-bills/
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Quote:RUSSIA!! COLLUSION!!
Originally posted by second:
Republicans Are Wasting Their Time With Vote Suppression Bills
Kevin Drum, March 9, 2021 – 10:34 am
Republicans have introduced a huge raft of bills in red states that would restrict voting in federal elections. And make no mistake: these bills are partisan cruise missiles aimed solely at reducing the Democratic vote. They are loathsome.
Yanno, saying the same thing over and over doesn't make it true.
And then, he goes on to demolish his own accusation...
Quote:
But they are also pretty conventional. For the most part, they include all the old-school Republican favorites like restrictions on Sunday voting, photo ID laws, and so forth. These are all things Republicans have been promoting for years, and none of them have turned out to be all that effective. In some cases this is because they simply don't affect very many votes, while in others it's because they spur a backlash that prompts Democratic-leaning voters to turn out in higher numbers.
The big new addition to this arsenal is an attack on mail voting. Republicans are apparently convinced that this cost them the 2020 election, but it turns out these bills are just more of the same old ineffectual rubbish. Ian Millhiser describes a natural study of Texas voters:
Texas is one of a handful of states that discriminate on the basis of age when determining who may vote absentee: Voters over the age of 65 are allowed to request an absentee ballot, but most voters under that age are required to vote in person. The researchers at Stanford’s Democracy and Polarization Lab compared turnout rates among 65-year-olds in Texas’s 2020 elections — that is, among voters who were eligible to vote absentee — to the turnout rates among 64-year-olds who mostly could not vote by mail.
They found that “65-year-olds in Texas turned out in 2020 at almost exactly the same rate as 64-year-olds, even though roughly 18% of 65-year-olds voted absentee while only 3% of 64-year-olds voted absentee.”
The end result was that 65-year-olds were more Democratic than 64-year-olds by 0.2 percentage points, a difference too small to even be meaningful.
Other studies have shown the same thing: All of these anti-mail measures have only a very tiny effect. It may make Republicans feel good to demonstrate a whirlwind of activity that Fox News is happy to spin as "protecting against fraudulent votes," but in the end it doesn't really buy them much.
On a moral plane, this does nothing to excuse what they're doing. But on a practical plane, it means they're mostly wasting their time.
Of course, it would NEVER occur to this apparently brain-dead partisan that these measures are meant to ensure the integrity of the vote, and to obviate questions of fraud before they come up.
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Quote:The Trumptards didn't give a goddamn about "these measures meant to ensure the integrity of the vote" until Trump lost, then the Trumptards went berserk, with hundreds of bills that they imagine will keep Trump from ever losing again in exactly the same way. Bring it on, moron Trumptards! Please nominate Trump in 2024! If he runs, HR-1 requires him to reveal his income tax returns in Title X—Presidential and Vice Presidential Tax Transparency. If he won't, the IRS will do it without Trump's permission and make the results public. Too bad, Trumptards, if your man is a tax cheat.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Of course, it would NEVER occur to this apparently brain-dead partisan that these measures are meant to ensure the integrity of the vote, and to obviate questions of fraud before they come up.
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^ Trumptard.
HR 1 will never pass, Trumptard.
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Quote:Title X—Presidential and Vice Presidential Tax Transparency will pass. There will be no more tax cheaters elected President which means Mike Pence and Ted Cruz are most likely the next Republican President and Vice-President. Learn to love those two, 6ix, because Fatso can't get reelected after stealing $billions in tax money. Trump's lawyers will be in a life and death struggle to keep him from going bankrupt because of unpaid tax obligations. I hope his lawyers lose the contest before he dies so Fatso can watch all his money be taken away.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
^ Trumptard.
HR 1 will never pass, Trumptard.
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Quote:Holy Cow. If you are correct, then my local news feeds are nt even attempting to present any information.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
HR 1 is not the same as the "Covid" bill.
Anything in the "Covid" bill is being pushed under the budget so it can pass with only 50 votes plus the Harris tie-breaker, and has to be directly related to the 2021 budget or can be stripped out (see: the $15 minimum wage increase).
HR 1 will not become law. It needs to 60 votes in the Senate to pass, which it will not receive.
Prepare to watch the Legacy Media try to destroy the GOP by only stating the good things in the bill that Republicans shot down while downplaying or completely omitting all the terrible things in that bill.
What is the bill number for the covid Rescue bill?
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Holy Cow. If you are correct, then my local news feeds are nt even attempting to present any information.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
HR 1 is not the same as the "Covid" bill.
Anything in the "Covid" bill is being pushed under the budget so it can pass with only 50 votes plus the Harris tie-breaker, and has to be directly related to the 2021 budget or can be stripped out (see: the $15 minimum wage increase).
HR 1 will not become law. It needs to 60 votes in the Senate to pass, which it will not receive.
Prepare to watch the Legacy Media try to destroy the GOP by only stating the good things in the bill that Republicans shot down while downplaying or completely omitting all the terrible things in that bill.
What is the bill number for the covid Rescue bill?
HR 1319
https://rules.house.gov/bill/117/hr-PIH-american-rescue-plan
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1319/text
Different than HR-1
https://www.congress.gov/117/bills/hr1/BILLS-117hr1ih.pdf
They're going to need 10 Republicans to sign off on it, so it's never going to happen. I'd suggest that Second stop talking about it as if it's already passed.
P.S. HR-1 is 791 pages of bullshit. Nearly 200 pages more than the "Covid" bill.
Happy reading.
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Quote:IIRC Signy was the one from whom I learned about the Mistosky report over a decade ago, way before you started actively ignoring it.
The Trumptards didn't give a goddamn about "these measures meant to ensure the integrity of the vote" until Trump lost ...
If there's one Trumptard here who doesn't seem to care about the integrity of the vote - considering how often you refuse to address the Vote Project's recommendations - that would be you. And the House democrats* seem to be composed entirely of Trumptards, by that same measure.
If democrats* don't do any different, how are they any better?
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Quote:It would be Trump:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
If there's one Trumptard here who doesn't seem to care about the integrity of the vote - considering how often you refuse to address the Vote Project's recommendations - that would be you.
Donald Trump (Unironically) Requests a Mail-In Ballot Ahead of Palm Beach Municipal Election
March 10, 2021 9:55 AM
Ever since Nov. 3, and in fact for many months before Election Day, Donald Trump railed on and on about the existential danger to democracy that mail-in voting presented. It was, of course, all self-serving hooey. Trump voted (for himself) in Florida by mail in the March 2020 presidential primary and then again in an August 2020 primary, his family routinely votes by mail, and a quarter of all American ballots cast in the 2016 election — won by Trump — were cast via the post. But Trump’s voting lies got bigger and bolder and now a significant portion of the Republican Party doesn’t trust the 2020 election result and are using this concocted suspicion to make it harder to vote in Republican-controlled states across the country. Their biggest target? Mail-in voting.
More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/03/donald-trump-requests-mail
-in-ballot-florida-palm-beach-municipal-election.html
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Originally posted by second:Quote:It would be Trump:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
If there's one Trumptard here who doesn't seem to care about the integrity of the vote - considering how often you refuse to address the Vote Project's recommendations - that would be you.
Donald Trump (Unironically) Requests a Mail-In Ballot Ahead of Palm Beach Municipal Election
March 10, 2021 9:55 AM
Ever since Nov. 3, and in fact for many months before Election Day, Donald Trump railed on and on about the existential danger to democracy that mail-in voting presented. It was, of course, all self-serving hooey. Trump voted (for himself) in Florida by mail in the March 2020 presidential primary and then again in an August 2020 primary, his family routinely votes by mail, and a quarter of all American ballots cast in the 2016 election — won by Trump — were cast via the post. But Trump’s voting lies got bigger and bolder and now a significant portion of the Republican Party doesn’t trust the 2020 election result and are using this concocted suspicion to make it harder to vote in Republican-controlled states across the country. Their biggest target? Mail-in voting.
More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/03/donald-trump-requests-mail
-in-ballot-florida-palm-beach-municipal-election.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Wow. Talk about falsifying history.
He requested an Absentee ballot. MUCH different than EVERYBODY receiving unsolicited mail-in ballots like we had in EVERY key state in the 2020 fake election.
That being said, Absentee ballots have become a steaming pile of bullshit in many states, with far too many reasons allowed to get one.
If you're not in the military serving overseas, dying on a hospital bed and hooked up to equipment that you need in order to survive or dying at home in hospice and a trip to the voting booth would kill you, there should be no Absentee ballots either. PERIOD.
Once again, you're blaming Pre-Politics Citizen Trump for using the existing system. It was more convenient for him in 2010 to have his staff request an Absentee ballot than it was to go down to the poll and vote in person.
Was he an asshole for doing it? Sure. Just like all the other rich assholes that have ever done it.
But it is in NO WAY a hypocrisy, or a legitimate argument for unsolicited mail-in fraud ballots.
These are two entirely separate issues, and I'm not going to let you muddy the waters by pretending that they aren't.
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Quote:Sloppyseconds is setting a record for posts of lies in this thread. Most folk seem to be ignoring these, but I realize that some Libtardd visiting here might swallow his delusions wholesale. So thanks for pointing out some of the lies of Sloppyseconds.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:Wow. Talk about falsifying history.
Originally posted by second:Quote:It would be Trump:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
If there's one Trumptard here who doesn't seem to care about the integrity of the vote - considering how often you refuse to address the Vote Project's recommendations - that would be you.
Donald Trump (Unironically) Requests aMail-InAbsentee Ballot Ahead of Palm Beach Municipal Election
March 10, 2021 9:55 AM
Ever since Nov. 3, and in fact for many months before Election Day, Donald Trump railed on and on about the existential danger to democracy that mail-in voting presented. It was, of course, all self-serving hooey. Trump voted (for himself) in Florida by
More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/03/donald-trump-requests-mail
-in-ballot-florida-palm-beach-municipal-election.html
He requested an Absentee ballot. MUCH different than EVERYBODY receiving unsolicited mail-in ballots like we had in EVERY key state in the 2020 fake election.
That being said, Absentee ballots have become a steaming pile of bullshit in many states, with far too many reasons allowed to get one.
If you're not in the military serving overseas, dying on a hospital bed and hooked up to equipment that you need in order to survive or dying at home in hospice and a trip to the voting booth would kill you, there should be no Absentee ballots either. PERIOD.
Once again, you're blaming Pre-Politics Citizen Trump for using the existing system. It was more convenient for him in 2010 to have his staff request an Absentee ballot than it was to go down to the poll and vote in person.
Was he an asshole for doing it? Sure. Just like all the other rich assholes that have ever done it.
But it is in NO WAY a hypocrisy, or a legitimate argument for unsolicited mail-in fraud ballots.
These are two entirely separate issues, and I'm not going to let you muddy the waters by pretending that they aren't.
In fact, it would seem he/she has not posted a single honest fact, and every post in this thread is merely lies. Not unusual for it.
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The first post in this thread from SLOPPYSECONDS:
Quote:LIE. HR1 is the Federalization of Election Laws, including FEDERAL ELECTIONS, meaning President - not State Elections.
Originally posted by second:Quote:Sorry, Russian troll, it does NOT:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The Constitution clearly gives states the right to decide how to conduct their voting. I would expect to see a Supreme Court challenge to many aspects of HR1.
Quote:
The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations…
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-1/section-4/cla
use-1
For now, state political parties control the voting process to their own advantage. No other democratic country allows this. Voting in national elections should be regulated at the national level, just as the Constitution suggests.
Congress should set the rules for registration and voting and they should be the same for every state. This is so obvious that it barely even needs to be defended.
HR1 would do this.
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The 2nd:
Quote:But largely cancelled in 1929.
Originally posted by second:Quote:Every county in Texas has a different voting system. There is some overlap in the systems used in different counties because the clerk in one county might ask how they run elections in the four adjacent counties, but it is very nonuniform in different places and in some counties pretty damn close to chaos. I hope others states have more sensible systems, but the recounts and court cases in 2020 show that there is far too much flexibility in how each county or city can run their little piece of a national election.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The problem with centralized control is that it is just as likely to be partisan at the national level as at the state level, and this is what we have here.
HR1 attempts to fix "problems" that are not demonstrated to be problems, in order to create advantage for Democrats.
Once in while, Congress tries to regulate this mess, making the process a little more uniform from place to place: https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-1/section-4/cla
use-1
Quote:FIFY.
HR-1 is Libtard Democrap Congress' latest attempt to institutionalize Fraudulent Election Theft, akin to what worked for Libtards in 2020, and strongly motivated by the messiness of the 2020 election.
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3rd:
Quote:This lying attempt to avoid the question was pointedly referenced by kiki in the post right after this one.
Originally posted by second:Quote:This is the bill introduced in House (01/04/2021). If you didn't see it, you were wrong again:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I read that bill a month or 2 ago. Unless it's been changed in that time, the one thing it DOESN'T have that would definitely improve the entire election process is a validation requirement and protocol, specifically, statistical study like the one highlighted by the Mitofsky Report, as a basis for closer vote examination.
It sure would be nice to be able to demonstrate there were no signs of mass cheating, and if there were, to be able to go back and conduct a good examination of when, how, and who.
Subtitle F
—Promoting Accuracy, Integrity, And Security Through Voter-Verified
Permanent Paper Ballot
SEC. 1501. SHORT TITLE.
This subtitle may be cited as the “Voter Confidence and Increased Accessibility Act of 2021”.
SEC. 1502. PAPER BALLOT AND MANUAL COUNTING REQUIREMENTS.
(a) In General.—Section 301(a)(2) of the Help America Vote Act of 2002 (52 U.S.C. 21081(a)(2)) is amended to read as follows:
“(2) Paper ballot requirement.—
“(A) VOTER-VERIFIED PAPER BALLOTS.—
“(i) PAPER BALLOT REQUIREMENT.—_(I) The voting system shall require the use of an individual, durable, voter-verified paper ballot of the voter’s vote that shall be marked and made available for inspection and verification by the voter before the voter’s vote is cast and counted, and which shall be counted by hand or read by an optical character recognition device or other counting device. For purposes of this subclause, the term ‘individual, durable, voter-verified paper ballot’ means a paper ballot marked by the voter by hand or a paper ballot marked through the use of a nontabulating ballot marking device or system, so long as the voter shall have the option to mark his or her ballot by hand.
“(II) The voting system shall provide the voter with an opportunity to correct any error on the paper ballot before the permanent voter-verified paper ballot is preserved in accordance with clause (ii).
“(Ill) The voting system shall not preserve the voter-verified paper ballots in any manner that makes it possible, at any time after the ballot has been cast, to associate a voter with the record of the voter’s vote without the voter’s consent.
“(ii) PRESERVATION AS OFFICIAL RECORD.—The individual, durable, voter-verified paper ballot used in accordance with clause (i) shall constitute the official ballot and shall be preserved and used as the official ballot for purposes of any recount or audit conducted with respect to any election for Federal office in which the voting system is used.
More at https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1/text#toc-H0C
72CA940E684A0986583236950CC71E
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Quote:Repeating the same lie does not make it true.
Originally posted by second:Quote:HR-1 mentions reports 454 times. The first time is Annual reports on voter registration statistics. Is a "Mitofsky Report", or the equivalent, in there? Maybe. I will let you look for it. But if a Mitofsky Report is not specifically mentioned by name, Congress can always request a special report "for validation".
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
What part of statistical analysis (as in the Mitofsky Report and per recommendation by the CalTech/ MIT Vote Project) for validation (as opposed to verification) is in the bill?
Again clearly pointed out by kiki the the 3rd post following this lie.
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5th:
Quote:ineligible minor
Originally posted by second:Quote:Is it really nakedly partisan to get the
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Um, OK. Voting age... is it the same from state to state?
PART 9 - PROVIDING VOTER REGISTRATION INFORMATION TO SECONDARY SCHOOL STUDENTSQuote:Nakedly partisan act. Minors can't enter into contracts, purchase addictive substances, drive after dark an without an adult, or serve on a jury, join the military, but they can vote???
PART 10 - VOTER REGISTRATION OF MINORS
Quote:This hypocritical lie debunked by Sigs in the post after this lie.
youth to vote? Because once they quit school in the 10th grade, their civics education ends for the rest of their lives and most of them won't vote more than once every 4 years until they are very, very old people, but there are elections every year, sometimes several, and the most important one, the primary election that really decides who runs the country, hardly anybody either young or old can be bothered to vote in.
Our calculations, based on votes counted as of November 18, suggest that 52%-55% of voting-eligible young people, ages 18-29, cast a ballot in the 2020 presidential election. Using the same methodology and data from a week after the election in 2016, we had previously estimated that youth voter turnout in 2016 was 42-44%.
Youth Voter Turnout Increased in 2020
https://circle.tufts.edu/latest-research/election-week-2020#youth-vote
r-turnout-increased-in-2020
A closer look at turnout, young voters and a key Bernie Sanders strategy
https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/mar/04/closer-look-turnout-you
ng-voters-and-key-bernie-sa/
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6th:
Quote:FIFY.
Originally posted by second:Quote:A 10th grader who is about to drop out of school forever, ending all civics education for that kid, is a minor. The kids who drop out are the ones who should be voting when they turn 18, rather than waiting until they are bitter old fool Trumptards who are voting for the very first time for the guy they fervently hope can somehow fix the messed up life their 16 year old self created when they dropped out of school 30 years back.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
An 18-year-old isn't a "minor", SECONDRATE.
Percentage of the population in the United States who have completed high school or more from 1960 to 2019, by gender, 25 years and older
https://www.statista.com/statistics/184266/educational-attainment-of-h
igh-school-diploma-or-higher-by-gender/
States Ranked by Percent of Population 25 and Over Without a High School Diploma
https://www.censusscope.org/us/rank_education_withouths_2000.html
Percent of Population 25 and Over Without a High School Diploma
1. Mississippi 27.14%
2. Kentucky 25.88%
3. Louisiana 25.19%
4. West Virginia 24.79%
5. Alabama 24.73%
6. Arkansas 24.69%
7. Texas 24.35%
Not unexpected thatTrumptard statesDemocrap Libtard controlled Dixiecrat states of the 1960s have an abundance of high school dropouts.
Again, Sigs debunked this lying nonsense in the post after this lie.
And later, kiki as well.
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7th:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:We already have a seriously malfunctioning government that is controlled by the richest
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:And, you think dropping out is a good qualification for voting?
SECONDRATE: The kids who drop out are the ones who should be voting when they turn 18
Seems like the dropouts have already made their first big, bad choice. How about making high school graduation a requirement instead?
Quote:and education, concepts of Freedoms, and risks during the formative years
with the most advantages in life. How did that happen? When the country started, the richest people with the most real estate
Quote:FIFY.
were the only ones who were allowed to vote. Signym, if you want bring back George Washington, why stop with requiring a diploma? Go all the way and require a certain amount of wealth before you can vote.
The Founders and the Vote
https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/elections/right-to-vote/the-fo
unders-and-the-vote/
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8th:
Quote:Sigs debunks this nonsense in the post right after this lie.
Originally posted by second:Quote:In Texas, the zip codes with the higher percent registered voters get better services. Once the people are registered voters, even if they don't vote in every election, they get preferential treatment from Texas government. If they are registered before eligibility to vote, they are more likely to start voting when they are old enough. By the way, the Republican Party would very much prefer that only the old, rich and white males get registered because white women tend not to be Trumptards as often as white men.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:What does that have to do with registering minors?
A 10th grader who is about to drop out of school forever, ending all civics education for that kid, is a minor.Quote:So, minors 16 and over are allowed to REGISTER but not to VOTE. What a mess THAT could make of the voting process, adding one more area of complexity where it doesn't need to exist.
PART 10—VOTER REGISTRATION OF MINORS 4SEC. 1094.
ACCEPTANCE OF VOTER REGISTRATION APPLICATIONS FROM INDIVIDUALS UNDER 18 YEARS OF AGE.
(1) IN GENERAL.— A State may not refuse to accept or process an individual’s application to register to vote in elections for Federal office on the grounds that the individual is under 18 years of age at the time the individual submits the application, so long as the individual is at least 16 years of age at such time.
(2) NO EFFECT ON STATE VOTING AGE REQUIREMENTS.— Nothing in paragraph (1) may be construed to require a State to permit an individual who is under 18 years of age at the time of an election for Federal office to vote in the election.
That's how I read it. It's one more step to create loopholes in who may register, and who may vote.
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9th:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:States controlled by Trumptards don't want people to
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Does it seem coincidence that those seem to be the only States which Obiden may have actually "won" in 2020? Other than AK, WV, GA, MI.
hmmm??
Quote:FIFY.
How do Trumptards get control of a state legislature in order to write laws keeping people fromregisteringDefrauding and Stealing Elections, and for restoring Election integrity, security, validity, legitimacy? By having a population majority of Trumptards.
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10th:
Quote:These 2 facts are horrific for Libtard Democraps, wonderful for Trump supporters, since record numbers of non-whites were voting for and supporting Trump, as well as all of the down-ticket First-term Congressmen (all of who were non-whites or minorities) and Congresswomen.
Originally posted by second:Quote:It has everything to do with why Trumptards would be opposed to HR-1. They do NOT want to be pressured to provide more services to zip codes with more youngsters, which just so happen to be the zip codes with a majority of non-whites. And Trumptards sure as hell don't want non-whites to vote starting at 18 years old. Getting them registered before 18 would encourage them to vote at 18.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:What does that have to do with registering MINORS in the House bill?
In Texas, the zip codes with the higher percent registered voters get better services.
These sort of stories really make Trumptards crazy :
More than two-thirds of Texans under age 19 are non-white, according to new census figures.
https://www.texastribune.org/2016/06/23/texas-children-make-most-diver
se-generation/
The U.S. Census Bureau projects that, by the middle of 2020, nonwhites will account for the majority of the nation’s 74 million children.
https://today.tamu.edu/2020/01/13/children-of-color-already-make-up-th
e-majority-of-kids-in-many-us-states/
Otherwise, this nonsense is debunked by kiki 2 posts later.
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11th:
Quote:Requoting the same lies does not make them true, yet requoting the 2 facts that bode wonders for Trump supporters in the future further defeats your illogic.
Originally posted by second:Quote:The quantity of old, white Trumptards is shrinking while the quantity of young, non-white Libtards is growing. That is why the Republican Party is opposed to HR-1. If the GOP had a strategy to win young, non-white voters, the GOP would NOT be opposed to HR-1. But the GOP doesn't have such a strategy, which is why the GOP partisans hate HR-1.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:So, SECONDRATE has bascially admitted that much of HR1 is a partisan Dem effort to change the voting demographic so that Republicans will never be voted into office again.
SECONDRATE: These sort of stories really make Trumptards crazy :
More than two-thirds of Texans under age 19 are non-white, according to new census figures.
https://www.texastribune.org/2016/06/23/texas-children-make-most-diver
se-generation/
The U.S. Census Bureau projects that, by the middle of 2020, nonwhites will account for the majority of the nation’s 74 million children.
https://today.tamu.edu/2020/01/13/children-of-color-already-make-up-th
e-majority-of-kids-in-many-us-states/
It's not about "reform".
Yep, I noticed that, too. Thanks for admitting that, SECONDRATE.
Failing to respond to Sigs, and then spouting more illogic does not further your delusional claims.
6ix dismantles this complete logic failure in the 1st and 3rd posts after this.
And Sigs contributes about 11 posts after this one.
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12th:
Quote:Avoidance, non-answering non-sequitur.
Originally posted by second:Quote:There are thousands of blacks crazier than Clarence Thomas, Ben Carson, Tamara Bonzanto, Michael Kubayanda. The GOP maintains a list of insane people suitable for office if enough advertising money is spent to make them look sane. But 6ix, Trumptards stay crazy even when they win.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:Too bad for that racist theory that EVERY house seat that Democrats lost in 2020 were to minority and female Republicans.
Originally posted by second:
The quantity of old, white Trumptards is shrinking while the quantity of young, non-white Libtards is growing. That is why the Republican Party is opposed to HR-1. If the GOP had a strategy to win young, non-white voters, the GOP would NOT be opposed to HR-1. But the GOP doesn't have such a strategy, which is why the GOP partisans hate HR-1.
It's true. Look it up. I'll wait.
Irony.
Have you heard that M$M declared that Basement Biden "won" the Election, after a grueling campaign?
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13th:
Quote:Your bogus unproven claims are all lies, all provably false.
Originally posted by second:Quote:I will insult you and your kind some more: Sad watching the fat man blundering through his Presidency. Sad watching 75,000,000 Trumptards stumble through life.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
First off, it's March 7th and you can't even go a single day without talking about Trump.
YOU are now the Trumptard.
Secondly, that doesn't sound like an argument. That sounds like any way you look at it you lose.
If I were you, I wouldn't be so worried about the minority members of Congress that are being voted in on the Republican side. I'd be more worried about all the minority voters that stray from your narrative and vote the way that you don't like.
Democrats don't do shit for minority Citizens. The real "Woke" going on in this country is the minorities figuring that out for themselves.
All that Democrats are doing by making Race take the spotlight on every issue is shining a light on their own racism and how little they think about the willpower, drive and ability of anybody who isn't white.
It's insulting.
From looking closely for decades at the details of Trumptards' lives flowing slowly (or in some cases very fast) downhill, you Trumptards have no idea what you are doing. It's one random thing after another and then you die never understanding what you did wrong.
It is no surprise Trumptards are on the lower rungs of the economic ladder. No surprise that your childhoods were troubled followed by troubled adulthood, marriages and divorces, followed by ill health and early death. No surprise you have substance addictions, whether food, alcohol, tobacco or drugs. No surprise you get fired or go bankrupt. And certainly no surprise when Trumptards vote for Trump, the biggest dumbest American. It would be completely out of character if you didn't vote for him. He is you, if you had inherited a billion dollars and then claimed you're a self-made billionaire.
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14th:
Quote:Is Executive Order a Constitutional Process?
Originally posted by second:Quote:Executive Order on Promoting Access to Voting
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Don't care. Didn't read.
March 07, 2021 • Presidential Actions
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows:
. . . expand the Federal Government’s policy of granting employees time off to vote in Federal, State, local, Tribal, and territorial elections. . . .
the Secretary of Defense shall establish procedures, consistent with applicable law, to affirmatively offer, on an annual basis, each member of the Armed Forces on active duty the opportunity to register to vote in Federal elections, update voter registration information, or request an absentee ballot. . . .
The Attorney General shall establish procedures, consistent with applicable law, for coordinating with the Probation and Pretrial Services Office of the Administrative Office of the United States Courts to provide educational materials related to voter registration and voting to all eligible individuals under the supervision of the Probation and Pretrial Services Office, and to facilitate voter registration and voting by such individuals. . . .
The Attorney General shall take appropriate steps, consistent with applicable law, to support formerly incarcerated individuals in obtaining a means of identification that satisfies State voter identification laws, including as required by 18 U.S.C. 4042(a)(6)(B). . . .
. . . increasing voter outreach, education, registration, and turnout in Native American communities; increasing voting access for Native American communities (including increasing accessibility for voters with disabilities); and mitigating internet accessibility issues that may hinder voter registration and ballot access in Native American communities; . . .
More at www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/03/07/execu
tive-order-on-promoting-access-to-voting/
A Legislative Process?
A Judicial Process?
An Amendment Process?
Plus, you can't even stay on topic? Your prior oposts of lies was too confusing to follow? You can't keep your lies straight?
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15th:
Quote:Repeating your lies does not make them true. Goebbels.
Originally posted by second:
Fact Sheet: President Biden to Sign Executive Order to Promote Voting Access
March 07, 2021
. . . democracy doesn’t happen by accident. We have to defend, strengthen, and renew it. Free and fair elections that reflect the will of the American people must be protected and defended. Too many Americans face significant obstacles to exercising their fundamental right to vote. . . .
More at www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/03/07/fact-s
heet-president-biden-to-sign-executive-order-to-promote-voting-access/
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16th:
Quote:Fraudulent and ineligible
Originally posted by second:Quote:Is there some important reason why Republicans don't want people to vote? There is. The GOP has introduced hundreds of bills in the state legislatures in the last 3 months to reduce the number of
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, I have a question for you, SECOND: If the demographic trend is inexorable, why is the DNC working so hard to punch it forward?
Might it not be because even THEY are concerned that people will catch on to their hypocrisy, corruption, and greed, and leave the party as fast as the un-accelerated demographic shift will bring them in?
The Democrat Party is steadily losing members to that unaffiliated group called "indepdendents". (as, btw, is the Republican Party.)
Quote:FIFY.
voters. Why so many bills? Because Trump lost. Almost as important, because two Georgian GOP Senators lost. HR-1 is to counteract those hundreds of GOP bills.
As for voters deciding they are Independent, they aren't really Independent unless they vote for Libertarians or the Green Party. When they do, they are certainly teaching the Democratic Party and the GOP a lesson by filling up Congress with so many Green Party Congressmen that I can't count them all.
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Quote:invalid, illegal, unqualified, ineligible, fraudulent, underage, multi-voting
Originally posted by second:Quote:I'm not intelligent; would I be here if I was? I'm rich. Being rich and stupid and loving a TV show deader than the Beverly Hillbillies aren't often a winning combination, unless you inherited wealth as Trump did, but in my case I overcame my intellectual shortcomings with excellent health, long hours of work, and concentration on a few simple things that I know work from talking to rich people.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I noticed that when SECONDRATE runs out of on-point posts, he resorts to slagging other posters.
Really, SECONDRATE?
And you call yourself intelligent????
As the lawyer for Arizona’s Republican Party conceded last week in oral arguments at the biggest voting rights challenge at the Supreme Court this term, the party is interested in limiting
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access to the ballot in swing states because otherwise, the GOP is at “a competitive disadvantage relative to Democrats.”
These measures are being passed in reaction to
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that the 2020 election was stolen, despite record numbers of audits, lawsuits, and
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that the election was one of the most secure in American history. The response to this assurance has become that it doesn’t matter because voters no longer trust the elections system—an answer advanced by people who are aware that they are lying. On Tuesday, Mike Pence—who could have lost his life on Jan. 6 due to false claims of a stolen election—joined the “people are saying” chorus with an op-ed frothing up the Big Lie that the 2020 contest was rife with dubious practices. Pence writes: “After an election marked by significant voting irregularities and numerous instances of officials setting aside state election law, I share the concerns of millions of Americans about the integrity of the 2020 election.” Ignoring the fact that his own running mate actually seeded, watered, and fertilized the myth of a stolen election, Pence expressed sober dismay at the fact that “polling shows that large numbers of Democrats did not trust the outcome of the 2016 election and that large numbers of Republicans still do not trust the outcome of the 2020 election.” Cause, meet effect. You guys should hang out.
Pence’s ostensible goal in penning this mess wasn’t to encourage more election truthers to storm the Capitol but to target H.R. 1, the sweeping voting rights bill that passed in the House of Representatives on Thursday. H.R. 1 provides for, among many other things, same-day and automatic voter registration, restoring the franchise to people with criminal records, and an expansion of early voting, voting by mail, and absentee drop boxes. Many states passed these reforms before COVID-19; others adopted them because of the pandemic. Now that the country has held one presidential election with widespread mail voting—leading to historically high participation without any demonstrable increase in fraudulent voting—Democrats want to make the option permanent. The nearly 800-page package also includes many large-scale anti-corruption measures, including the mandatory release of presidential tax returns, regulation of inaugural committees and campaign coordination with foreign interests, an end to partisan gerrymandering for congressional districts, and more robust regulations of campaign finance and dark money.
H.R. 1 passed the House in 2019 but was never taken up in the Senate under Mitch McConnell. In 2021 under Chuck Schumer, the companion Senate bill, S 1, will still likely be stymied, this time by the continued existence of the filibuster. But the real story here is the frantic blowback to the legislation from the selfsame groups that would be regulated or undermined byNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
That was from the first page of 50 posts.
17 posts of lies.
0 posts of honest facts or truth.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Sloppyseconds is setting a record for posts of lies in this thread. Mopst folk seem to be ignoring these, but I realize that some Libtardd visiting here might swallow his delusions wholesale. So thanks for pointing out some of the lies of Soppyseconds.
In fact, it would seem he/she has not posted a single honest fact, and every post i this thread is merely lies. Not unusual for it.
This is what he does every single time he posts, and why I no longer bother to read anything he puts here beyond the first sentence.
It's no surprise you were able to find so many examples in this thread alone. I'll just have to take your word on it though, because I'm certainly not going to read them now either.
Did you see that I posted the links to HR1319 and HR-1?
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Quote:I read every word you and JewelStaiteFan write because you are highly entertaining, close to the same amusement level as Trump, but you produce only a tiny fraction as many words per day as he did. So sad that he's no longer bloviating as frequently as he was on and before January 6th, Insurrection Day at the U.S Capitol Building. Must be because V.P. Mike Pence stomped on Trump's hopes and kicked his fat dumb ass out of the White House.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
This is what he does every single time he posts, and why I no longer bother to read anything he puts here beyond the first sentence.
It's no surprise you were able to find so many examples in this thread alone. I'll just have to take your word on it though, because I'm certainly not going to read them now either.
https://images.app.goo.gl/jeMjtF9zgAjYyaYH9
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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LOL
You're a real treat, buddy.
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Meanwhile, and BACK ON TOPIC ...
Quote:So, OOC, how were these envelopes "bounced back" as "undeliverable"? Was it because no such address existed?
90,000 Ballots in Largest Nevada County Sent to Wrong Addresses, Bounced Back: Report
By Petr Svab
March 10, 2021 Updated: March 10, 2021
More than 90,000 ballots mailed to registered voters in Nevada’s largest county were returned undeliverable, according to an analysis of the election data by a conservative legal group.
Or did it depend on the honesty of the recipient, who dutifully noted to the mail carrier that no such person lived there, and were returned?
Because if it depended on the honesty of the recipient, it would be far too easy for someone to say "Oh, hey! A Ballot that I get to use!". And since NOBODY was validating IDs, anyone could use one.
Quote:But the DNC, and SECONDRATE, are for all of these because they allow massive fraud. And the DNC, and SECONDRATE, are liars.
Clark County, which includes the Las Vegas metro area, made the extraordinary move to mail ballots to all the nearly 1.3 million active voters in the county instead of just those who requested them. The county justified the move as helping people vote remotely during the COVID-19 pandemic.
More than 450,000 voters cast their votes through the mail-in ballots. But more than 92,000 ballots were returned by the postal service as undeliverable, according to the Public Interest Legal Foundation’s (PILF) March 10 research brief (pdf).
The number is based on data provided in February by Clark County Voter Registrar Joe Gloria, the brief says. The Clark County Election Office didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.
“Mass-mail balloting is a step backward for American elections. There are millions of voter registration records with unreliable ‘active’ address information that will ultimately send ballots to the wrong place in a mail election,” PILF President J. Christian Adams said in the brief.
Prior to the election, PILF criticized such mass ballot mailings in states that hadn’t had such systems already in place.
The entire state of Nevada reported only 5,863 mail ballots returned undeliverable in the 2012, 2014, 2016, and 2018 General Elections combined, the brief says, referring to the U.S. Election Assistance Commission surveys.
Adams also took aim at the H.R. 1 election reform bill that was recently passed by the Democrat-controlled House of Representatives.
The nearly 800-page bill would largely shift power over elections to the federal government. It would discard state voter ID laws, allow for same-day voter registration, ban witness signature requirements for mail-in ballots, and require that mail-in ballots can arrive as late as 10 days after election day (as long as it is post stamped by election day).
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It would also make it a federal crime to “communicate or cause to be communicated” information that is knowingly false and designed to discourage voting and require a plethora of other measures.
Conservatives have made it their priority to oppose the bill.
“H.R. 1 does more harm than good for the American people and will leave them at a constant disadvantage to correct election system errors which ultimately impact their abilities to vote in a timely manner,” Adams said.
The bill “basically codifies everything that was irregular or outright wrong or the opportunities for fraud during last year’s election and makes it the law of the land,” Indiana Attorney General Todd Rokita recently told Breitbart News.
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18th:
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Originally posted by second:Quote:REAL problems:
Originally posted by SignyM:
There have been mayors, county supervisors, state Legislatures, and State Secretaries who've mishandled voting, vote counting, voter rolls, and pretty much every aspect of the voting process, and they've been in BOTH parties.
For example, Katherine Harris (FL) conducted a draconian purge of voter rolls back in 2000, IIRC.
How about solving some REAL problems instead of trying to fix problems that aren't there?
Conservative senators and representatives voted to throw out the results from multiple states, a move that would disenfranchise millions of Americans who cast lawful ballots under
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state election laws. Republicans’ new rule appears to be that Congress may indeed regulate federal elections but only when it wants to either suppress or nullify votes.
GOP state attorneys general, too, are eager to repeal state election results that
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Many of the attorneys general who signed on to Wednesday’s letter also supported Texas’ bogus attempt to set aside the 2020 results. (They are also members of the Republican Attorneys General Association, the cancerous hate group that actively fomented insurrection on Jan. 6.) These partisans’ farcical lawsuit asked the Supreme Court to throw out every vote in four states won by Joe Biden, then direct each state’s legislature to declare Donald Trump the winner. Back then, they claimed that the Supreme Court, as in nine unelected justices, hold the authority to nullify millions of votes cast pursuant to valid election laws. But now they argue that democratically elected lawmakers in Congress have no power to exercise their constitutional prerogative to create uniform standards for federal races.
Sigs debunked most of this nonsense 4 posts later.
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19th:
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Originally posted by second:
What went right in the 2020 election
By Shira Ovide
A lot went wrong after the 2020 election in the United States. But here’s one thing that went right during it: A risk everyone worried about — foreign election interference — mostly failed.
That showed what is possible when government officials and technology companies are laser focused on a problem, effectively coordinate and learn from their past mistakes.
But the false narrative that the election was stolen, culminating in a mob attack on the U.S. Capitol, also pointed to the limits of those efforts. The Russians or the Chinese didn’t delegitimize our election. We did it to ourselves.
Today, I want to explore the glass half-full view. The largely averted threat of foreign election meddling was a success that shouldn’t be overlooked.
What went wrong the last time
Let me first remind you what happened around the 2016 election. Russian hackers pilfered documents from the Democratic National Committee and tried to muck around with state election infrastructure. Digital propagandists backed by the Russian government also fanned information on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube and elsewhere that sought to erode people’s faith in voting or inflame social divisions.
Powerful American institutions — notably local, state and federal government officials as well as large internet companies — were slow to tackle the problem or had initially dismissed it. The effect of the hacking and trolling wasn’t clear, but the worry was that foreign governments would regularly seek to disrupt U.S. elections and that it would contribute to Americans’ lack of trust in our systems and with one another.
What happened in 2020
Some foreign governments, including Russia and Iran, tried to disrupt our elections again, but it mostly didn’t work. The same U.S. institutions and digital defenses that failed four years earlier largely held strong this time.
“The progress that was made between 2016 and 2020 was remarkable,” said Camille François, chief innovation officer at Graphika, a firm that analyzes manipulation of social networks.
What changed in government and tech
One major shift after 2016 was that federal government officials and the state and local officials who run elections overcame initial mistrust to collaborate more effectively on voting threats. Matt Masterson, who until recently was a senior adviser on election security for the Department of Homeland Security, said coordination was the biggest change that helped shore up digital defenses in election management systems.
“This is as good as the federal government has worked on any issue in my experience,” Masterson said.
He also credited efforts in states, notably Georgia, that created paper trails of ballots that could be audited quickly and provide more visibility into the vote counting to help increase people’s trust in the election process.
The tech companies, François said, shifted to acknowledge their blind spots. For the first time, online powers including Facebook wrote policies specifically tackling foreign government meddling and put people in charge of stopping it. They also made it harder for foreign trolls to use some of their 2016 tactics, such as buying online advertisements to circulate divisive messages widely.
Social media companies also started to publicly announce when they found campaigns by foreign governments that were used to mislead people online. François said that helped researchers and journalists better assess the techniques of foreign propagandists — and the shared knowledge helped internet companies stop trolling campaigns before they had a big impact.
Cooperation improved between government and tech companies, too. There were regular meetings between major internet companies and the federal officials responsible for election protection to share information. And internet companies began to tell the public when the U.S. government tipped them off about foreign interference on thNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
20th:
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Originally posted by second:
Senator Jeff Merkley of Oregon, the principal sponsor of H.R. 1’s Senate analogue, has been urging his colleagues to consider ending the filibuster for these bills alone, even if they are unwilling to end it for all legislation.
HR1 is the Democrats’ Only Chance to Stop the GOP Assault on Voting
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The most explosive battle in decades over access to the voting booth will reach a new crescendo this week, as Republican-controlled states advance an array of measures to
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and the U.S. House of Representatives votes on the federal legislation that represents Democrats’ best chance to stop them.
It’s no exaggeration to say that future Americans could view the resolution of this struggle as a turning point in the history of U.S. democracy. The outcome could not only shape the balance of power between the parties, but determine whether that democracy grows more inclusive or exclusionary. To many civil-rights advocates and democracy scholars I’ve spoken with, this new wave of state-level bills constitutes the greatest assault on Americans’ right to vote since the Jim Crow era’s barriers to the ballot.
More at https://web.archive.org/web/20210304143034if_/https://www.theatlantic.
com/politics/archive/2021/03/democrats-need-hr-1-and-new-vra-protect-voting-rights/618171/
Sigs also poked holes in this nonsense 2 posts later.
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