Oh boy... Joss gets triple teamed by Buffy / Angel alums - Charisma, Sarah , Amber

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AURAPTOR

Thursday, February 11, 2021 2:21 AM

First it was the ex wife. Fine. Gals have an ax to grind.

Then it was Ray Fisher. Some suspected a Jessie Smollett style power move.

Then Joss was removed from HBO project, The Nevers.

Now this.

charisma carpenter
@AllCharisma
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5h
My truth.
#IStandWithRayFisher

https://twitter.com/AllCharisma/status/1359537746843365381?s=20

WHOZIT

Thursday, February 11, 2021 2:38 AM

The entertainment press is all over this story, there are going to be a lot of angry nerds out there.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, February 11, 2021 3:04 AM

Know what's missing in all these ' my truth ' stories ??

Facts.

Joss was mean. OK. Got it. He was a d-bag to Charisma. Fair enough. But as much as I love Joss getting his due... how is he all that different than others in Hollywood ?

If he was boinking these girls, and making him do "stuff" to stay on the show... OK then, but that's not what I'm hearing.

WISHIMAY

Thursday, February 11, 2021 5:10 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
... how is he all that different than others in Hollywood ?

If he was boinking these girls, and making him do "stuff" to stay on the show... OK then, but that's not what I'm hearing.

1. Give it a minute, I'm quite sure there's more. It's clear he was always like this.

2. He's NOT any different, which is still sad...and stupid. Now all he has is a tarnished legacy.

3. Why are you still trying to defend it, either way? NO ONE should have to put up with that nonsense. Your ego REALLY tied into his THAT DAMN MUCH??

AURAPTOR

Thursday, February 11, 2021 8:29 AM

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3. Why are you still trying to defend it, either way? NO ONE should have to put up with that nonsense. Your ego REALLY tied into his THAT DAMN MUCH??

That didn't take long.

I'm not defending anything or one. All I did was ask for the facts.

Now, that he has 4 former actors of his coming out and talking about this... pretty damning. Especially since Joss was all about the whole ' Grrl power' thing.

Not every guy is a Harvey Weinstein. ( who was 'adored' by the women in Hollywood because they pretty much had to, to keep a job ). Some are Morgan Freeman, who were wrongly accused of being ' overly flirtatious'. Yeah, some men like women. Got it.

We've heard stories about Joss. Ex wife said he used to sleep around ... with actresses. It's no secret he surrounded himself with a very attractive female cast. I think it's not too far fetched to ask... were any on the show because of their casting couch abilities? Because that would be... extremely problematic.

Joss ( unknowingly ) insulted young girls who had survived cancer, in a lame attempt to make a political jab. They were in HIGH SCHOOL, Joss, FFS. But even if they weren't cancer survivors, it was still a monumental dickish thing for him to do.

But I've not heard any specifics on with whom Joss cheated, and the circumstances. So I won't play the speculation game.

We do now have 4 saying he's a tyrant on the set. Folks in all areas have tyrants in their lives, for some periods, as bosses, teachers, etc... it's not uncommon.

I was a fan. Obviously. Of his work. Certainly never of his politics. My view of him started taking a turn to the negative before Serenity even came out. But I mostly brushed it off ... 'Hollywood' and all.

Ahhh, the good ol days.

Anyways, it seems his name is Mudd. Will more come out ? Will things get worse for him? No idea.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

WISHIMAY

Thursday, February 11, 2021 9:31 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I'm not defending anything or one. All I did was ask for the facts.

Funny how your asking for "facts" always sounds like you are marginalizing anyone who didn't record all their conversations. Like you always do, right??

He did it, he's an ass. He didn't murder anyone, move on.

Like I said in another thread...LOTS of stupid assholes on this planet.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, February 11, 2021 10:39 PM

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Funny how your asking for "facts" always sounds like you are marginalizing anyone who didn't record all their conversations. Like you always do, right??

It only sounds like it to you. Asking for facts is simply asking for facts. How is it that your default position on ALL matters is to make something an ad hominem crusade against someone who in YOUR mind has at some point of your life aggrieved you in some fanciful way ?

Honey,( I say now in a condescending tone ) this ain't about you or me. Get over it.

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He did it, he's an ass. He didn't murder anyone, move on.

Like I said in another thread...LOTS of stupid assholes on this planet.

I don't know WHAT he did. Sorry, but I draw some distinction between ' mean things ' , being an a-hole ' and depriving someone of their rights through force or fraud.

If it's just the former, then fine. If he's done more, say on a Harvey Weinstein or Bill Cosby level, is your attitude still gonna be ' move on '?

Never mind, I don't care. But I think most others would like to know exactly what he's done before he's #Cancelled.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

ZEEK

Friday, February 12, 2021 2:13 AM

I don't even need facts. Facts are hard to come by in a he said she said situation. However, specifics would make this situation a lot more easier to define. People say he was mean on set. OK well that has a wide range of possibilities. Did he yell at people when they were late or forgot lines? Did he physically assault people? Did he take away the snacks on set? Like there's all sorts of things that could be considered mean and some of them are awful and some of them are tiny slights. I don't like my office manager because she orders the breakfast tacos that I don't like. I might call her mean but if someone knew why they might not care too much.

Charisma claims she was fired for getting pregnant though they actually bent over backwards to work the pregnancy into the show. They could have written her out pretty easily but they didn't. So, while that's her opinion and I don't think she's lying, I kinda doubt that it's the whole truth. Joss called her fat behind her back. OK but Joss is sarcastic almost all the time. He could look really bad if people read his words in print out of context.

That being said a lot of people seem to not like him. So, there's a darn good chance he's difficult on set. Still there seem to be a lot of other people who enjoy working with him. I mean do you think anyone acted in Much Ado About Nothing because they were expecting a huge payday? That whole production seemed like a bunch of actors getting a chance to just do something they enjoy. Actors have talked about how they meet at Joss's house to read Shakespeare on weekends for fun. Are we really going to pretend they're all just pretending because they think he'll make them rich?

I've had horrible bosses but I've also been able to get along with them just fine outside of work. Having a bad management style doesn't make someone a monster. I'm sure he's not perfect. I'm not sure he's evil just yet.

ZEEK

Friday, February 12, 2021 3:17 AM

To add more confusion Anthony Stewart Head says he wasn't aware of any of it.

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a35477720/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-
toxic-workplace-claims-anthony-head/

So, if it was a really toxic work environment then you'd think everyone would know. So, now it's more that he may have had his public image and maybe he was just cruel to certain people behind closed doors.

AURAPTOR

Friday, February 12, 2021 7:03 AM

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I don't even need facts.

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Did he yell at people when they were late or forgot lines? Did he physically assault people? Did he take away the snacks on set? Like there's all sorts of things that could be considered mean and some of them are awful and some of them are tiny slights. I don't like my office manager because she orders the breakfast tacos that I don't like. I might call her mean but if someone knew why they might not care too much.

See, 'facts' make a difference in the story. In how we assess what really happened, and what was either blown out of proportion or may have been a valid problem.

( Umm, we see this in the political world too, but I digress )

And now I can't believe I'm saying this, but why does it matter that Anthony is saying he didn't see anything ? Maybe how Joss treated him, and older male English actor, was different than how he treated younger attractive women in their 20's.

Harvey Weinstein's antics were an open secret in Hollywood for many years. So the claim that ' if he had done something really bad, why didn't anyone say something then? Why didn't they just walk away ? ' seems incomplete. This is the age of #MeToo, #TimesUp, etc... but that may have exactly zero to do with Joss and his history.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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