What Socialist agendas DO conservatives think are intended by liberals?
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Quote:Human nature is pretty malleable. Think about the Spartans and their methods of male child-raising - at 5 they turned 'em loose to live with packs of older boys who roamed the wild hills surviving on their own, or the Aztecs and their willing sacrifice of thousands of their own people every year for the greater good, or the Papau New Guineans where boys are trained to be sex servants to the men, and all males live separately from all females except for procreation. Those cultures lasted many hundreds up to thousands of years, so they must have approximated human nature well enough.
[You cannot manipulate the natural order to such a degree and expect any level of normalcy or decency.
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Yet again, the Russian trolls are unable to answer the simplest of questions. They don't know what socialism OR fascism are, even with the dictionary.
All they can do is deflect, and prove to us that they are, in fact, RUSSIAN TROLLS.
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Yet again, the Russian trolls are unable to answer the simplest of questions. They don't know what socialism OR fascism are, even with the dictionary.
All they can do is deflect, and prove to us that they are, in fact, RUSSIAN TROLLS.
In its simplest terms, socialism is the ownership of the means of production by the state. You can look that up anywhere.
In my lifetime, the meanings of "socialism" and "communism" have been morphed by establishment anti-communist narrative to "trigger" people more often, so nations which were originally thought of as "welfare states" which tightly control the distribution of income (eg Sweden) became known as "socialist" while nations which were, in fact, socialist became known as "communist" (USSR, China). But it is widely acknowledged by political economists that "communism" NEVER EXISTED. Communism, as originally defined, is where "the state has withered away". And since you can't have a nation-less region in a world of nations (because it will be taken over by other nations) communism, by definition, must be GLOBAL. Therefore, communism remains a theoretical construct (no matter what China calls itself)
Also, "socialism" refers to ECONOMIC policies, NOT POLITICS. You can have democratic socialism ... and indeed, many parties in Europe call themselves that ... or you an have authoritarian socialism. While socialist states own and control the means of production, it says nothing about who controls the state.
Also in my lifetime, "fascism" and "Nazism" have also morphed to mean anything we don't like, from mild racism to nationalsim to genocide.
Why don't we let the original users of those words tell us what they mean?
MORE TO COME, I just don't want this to get lost in the ether, like my previous post
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To continue
Moussolini and the "Doctrine of Fascism"
http://www.historyguide.org/europe/duce.html
So, reading thru all the blah, blah, blah we come to these nuggets
Quote:The role of corporations in Moussolini's fascist state doesn't become law until Nov 13, 1933
Therefore, for the Fascist, everything is in the State, and nothing human or spiritual exists, much less has value, outside the State. In this sense Fascism is totalitarian ...
Outside the State there can be neither individuals nor groups (political parties, associations, syndicates, classes). Therefore Fascism is opposed to Socialism which confines the movement of history within the class struggle and ignores the unity of classes established in one economic and moral reality in the State; and analogously it is opposed to class syndicalism
Fascism attacks the whole complex of democratic ideologies and rejects them both... fascism denies that the majority, through the mere fact of being a majority, can rule human societies... it affirms the irremediable, fruitful and beneficent inequality of men.
For Fascism the tendency to Empire, that is to say, to the expansion of nations, is a manifestation of vitality; its opposite, staying at home, is a sign of decadence: peoples who rise or re-rise are imperialist, people who die are renunciatory.
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Resolution on the Definition and Attribution of Corporations
November 13, 1933
“The National Council of Corporations:
define Corporations as the instrument which, under the aegis of the State, carries out the complete organic and unitarian regulation of production with a view to the expansion of the wealth, political power, and well-being of the Italian people;
declare that the number of Corporations to be formed for the main branches of production should, on principle, be adequate to meet the real needs of national economy;
establish that the general staff of each Corporation shall include representatives of State administration, of the Fascist Party, of capital, of labour, and of experts;
assign to the Corporations as their specific tasks: conciliation, consultations (compulsory on problems of major importance), and the promulgation, through the National Council of Corporations, of laws regulating the economic activities of the country;
https://arplan.org/2020/02/21/mussolini-corporate-state/
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In 1925-26, after a lengthy crisis with the parliament following the killing of the Socialist leader Giacomo Matteotti, he imposed a Totalarian Dictatorship. His Corperative State came to terms with Italian Capitalism but abolished the free trade unions.
https://schoolworkhelper.net/benito-mussolini-biography-leadership/amp/
So, what does "Fascism" mean? It is an aggressively expansionist state which is in total control of everything, of people willing to sacrifice everything (including their lives) for "the state", and led by a small elite who (in practice) turned out to be the corporate elite.
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One more thing... I ran across this nugget while researching the origianl meaning of fascism.
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In 1922, Fascists were instructed to wear uniforms, including black shirts, when in squads that were modeled after Roman army groups. All party members were considered squad members.
Soon after, several Italian cities were seized by Fascist squads, who also burned down Communist and Socialist offices.
In October 1922, Mussolini threatened to march on Rome to take control of the government through violent force if it was not handed over. The government was slow to act, eventually dispatching troops, though Fascists had already seized control of some local governments.
Mussolini’s first act as prime minister was to demand special emergency powers allowing him to rig elections in the Fascists’ favor. Soon after, the Italian parliament made suspicion of being anti-Fascist punishable by imprisonment without trial.
The next year police rounded-up Socialists, and the government restricted their publishing activities....
The same year, all Communist members of Parliament were arrested, and all Socialist members expelled. Anyone who could not be prosecuted for a crime was detained for up to five years and placed in island internment camps.
Cinemas were required to screen government propaganda in the form of newsreels. Fascists owned 66 percent of the newspapers and controlled reporting, issuing daily editorial guidelines and threatening editors with arrest.
The Order of Journalists was created and membership was mandatory. Newspapers were allowed to criticize the government as long as they generally expressed support.
It seems to me that, with a few modifications to accommodate the rise of the internet and big tech, many of the elements of Moussolini's rise to power are already in place, with Antifa acting as the shock troops and the entanglement of the CIA, DC (BOTH PARTIES), media corporations, and mass surveillance already in place.
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And finally, "Nazi".
"Nazi" was a political party whose name was a contraction of "national" and "socialism". Originally it was a reaction to Germany's economic freefall (from having to pay reparations for WWI), social dissolution (cabarets where anything went, for example), and hyperinflation under the Weimar government, which seemed unable to control the economic and financial distress. I knew people (they have since passed away) who recall boiling and eating shoes because they were starving. And there is the story of a mn who took out his entire life savings (which had been whittled to nothing by hyperinflation), went to a deli and ordered and drank a cup of coffee (which was all he could afford), and then shot himself. Like fascism, Nazism originally promised to be benign and restore economic and financial order. Unfortunately, Hitler turned Germany into a genocidal and aggressively expansionist nation.
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'Big Tech' and political infiltration of government servants of the state are one faction, they are not open minded, non-partisan. It's basically the Neo-Con playbook when they began to stack Federal Employees and Courts in the favor of the Neo-Con agenda but only this time its nu-Democrats that are the Deep State. Neo-Cons and nu-Democrats become one and the same, Neo-Cons and ordinary 'Conswervatives' however were way way behind when it came to 'Tech' they had a few blogs or something. All the Facebooks and U-tube were Leftwing or werido Globalist, banning Trump from the net could have helped Libertarianism...fake Libertarian Conservative Republicans and new Socialists all become one gang, 'Trump' had his name banned but then builds TurthSocial, it is kinda Conservative Rightwing but boring, hoepfully a new internet comes back a little like the old free web and the days of Crony Capitalism exposed.
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https://justthenews.com/nation/free-speech/big-tech-censors-criticism-
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https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/08/06/jack-smith-advisor-on-trump-in
dictments-donated-thousands-to-biden-democrats-report-1384270/
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a new type of corporate state propaganda?
https://x.com/i/status/1815516628345581748
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