What Socialist agendas DO conservatives think are intended by liberals?
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Quote:Signym described what it thinks fascism is, but Signym knows nothing: www.britannica.com/topic/fascism
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I agree that it's a misnomer.
What the DNC is pushing for is FASCISM ... government in service to corporations. While some say that Trump is pushing the same idea, they (Trump, DNC) differ on WHICH corporations they back... The DNC is wedded to the biggest transnationals (banks, big tech, big pharma... also NATO and the international spook agencies thru which they mold foreign governments and policies) and eager to place regulation of these transnational actors into secret foreign trade tribunals... hence, Bill and Obama's urge to ratify all of those "free trade" agreements (WTO, NAFTA, CAFTA, TTP, TTIP). Also Bill's eagerness to reduce regulations on banking, monopolies (including media monopolies), and his support of "intellectual property" (DMCA) and Obama showering money on the banks, protecting bankers from prosecution, being joined at the hip with the NSA (with all its illegal surveillance) and the CIA and all of his "secret wars", and the ACA being a big wet smooch to big pharma.
Trump, OTOH, is closer to the military industrial complex, seeks to reduce our entanglement with China and NATO, wants to promote what HE thinks is "American business", and keep our sovereign powers safe.
I kinda cringe when I hear libertarians call every DNC idea "socialist" or "communist" or "Marxist" ... clearly, they don't know what any of those are. More accurate descriptions would be "Trotskyist" or "fascist"
Anyway, WISHY, to be specific, what I expect under a DNC reign is
More "free trade" agreements
Re-entanglemnt with NATO
More "secret" foreign destabilizations conducted by the State Dept, the CIA, and cooperating NGOs, with "allied" military involvement where necessary
An attempt to change the entire election process (Electoral College, adding DC as a 51st state, reducing ID requirements at the polls etc) to ensure a permanent DNC dominnce (altho this may be blunted by the Supreme Court)
Some money "giveaway" program* where (just like the CARES Act) 80% will go to the biggest businesses, and continued reliance on "The Fed" to loan money to a broke government.
*It could be "reparations", limited UBI, ACA "reform", Covid-relief, or some combination. But follow the money, it won't go to "the people" but to banks and monopolies
There will be nothing in there about meaningful jobs at living wages, defending our Constitutional rights, or anything like that.
Fascist parties and movements have many characteristics in common, including extreme militaristic nationalism, contempt for electoral democracy and political and cultural liberalism, a belief in natural social hierarchy and the rule of elites, and the desire to create a Volksgemeinschaft (German: “people’s community”), in which individual interests would be subordinated to the good of the nation. That definition is NOTHING similar to Democrats.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
I think it's sweet that REAVERBOT imagines that AOC will be driving DNC policy.
REAVERBOT, son ... the Democrats have always had their politicians of conscience ...
JFK
Paul Wellstone
Marcy Kaptur
Paul Kucinich
Russ Feingold
Tulsi Gabbard
even Bernie Sanders, who caucused with the DNC
Do you know what their effect on policy has been??
ZIP. ZERO. ZILCH. NADA
The DNC sold its soul many decades ago. AOC and "the squad" will get nowhere. But they WILL make the DNC look better than it really is!
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"What Socialist agendas DO conservatives think are intended by liberals?"
Whatever it is they fear the most. Masks. Taxes. Government unemployment aid. A Sanctuary Country. Reparations. Having their guns taken away. More job loss thanks to free trade agreements. Open borders. Healthcare. CO2 caps. But I'd be really, really surprised if we got a reasonable healthcare system or real action on climate change from a demolican federal government, even if it was completely controlled by that party. And I fully expect identity politics, the nuclear-chicken-game, destabilization of foreign governments, and the demonization of Russia to go on unabated. And the surveillance state against the citizens, propagandizing by the m$m, and free trade agreements to blossom. So some fears imo are quite reasonable, others, not so much.
I myself find the flavors of demolicans and repubmocrats different, but similar enough that NEITHER have our best interests at heart.
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Quote:Signym showed it understands nothing about what Fascism is, not even being aware that Fascism opposes the Democrats www.britannica.com/topic/fascism/Common-characteristics-of-fascist-mov
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
"What Socialist agendas DO conservatives think are intended by liberals?"
Whatever it is they fear the most. Masks. Taxes. Government unemployment aid. A Sanctuary Country. Reparations. Having their guns taken away. More job loss thanks to free trade agreements. Open borders. Healthcare. CO2 caps. But I'd be really, really surprised if we got a reasonable healthcare system or real action on climate change from a demolican federal government, even if it was completely controlled by that party. And I fully expect identity politics, the nuclear-chicken-game, destabilization of foreign governments, and the demonization of Russia to go on unabated. And the surveillance state against the citizens, propagandizing by the m$m, and free trade agreements to blossom. So some fears imo are quite reasonable, others, not so much.
I myself find the flavors of demolicans and repubmocrats different, but similar enough that NEITHER have our best interests at heart.
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1kiki doesn't understand that Democrats can't undo what the Republicans have done until the Democrats have 67 Senators and a majority of Supreme Court Justices. 50 or 51 Dem Senators and 3 Dem Supreme Court justices won't be enough to stop the GOP. And the Dems can't turn the government around in 2 years, but in the 2022 election, Dems will start losing Senators because American voters always decide things aren't improving fast enough for their tastes so it is, once again, time to vote for the Republican.
The really silly part about Americans is that Trump will be campaigning in 2022, telling voters they never had it better than when he was President, and about 55% of voters will believe him.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I am posting, as WISHY requested, EXACTLY and in detail what I expect from a DNC win.
Actually I asked for ONE point per post with any ACTUAL EVIDENCE, not just a listing of your paranoias and agendas. I was actually giving you a fair chance on this one and all you've managed to do once again is prove you only wanna say.... THEM IS WRONG!! without the slightest bit of reasoning.
You have failed again.
Didn't actually expect any better from you anyway.
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Jeezus, SECOND, you DO like to conflate things to muddy the waters, don't you?
Fascism doesn't oppose "the Democrats", it opposes democracy. The DNC and "democracy" are NOT the same. In fact, with the spook state colluding with foreign agents under Democrat leadership, and the media spewing disinformation 24/7 and censoring opposing opinions in order to depose a democratically-elected President, I would go so far as to say that Democrats oppose democracy. I know YOU do! 
For me, this is the main thing about Trump:
IF the people of Bangor, Maine vote to ban GMOs, and
The people of Wayne County want to ban high-capacity small arms, and
The people of California want to prohibit high-carbon fuels like tar sands, and
The people of the United States refuse to import goods made with child labor
BUT
The prohibitions are prohibited by a "free trade" agreement, and a trade tribunal in Singapore or Brussels decides that these prohibitions are ILLEGAL under the free trade agreement, and, furthermore, the "harmed" corporations are able to sue Bangor, Wayne County, California, and the USA in trade tribunal ... AND WIN ... WHAT IS THE POINT OF HAVING A DEMOCRACY?
If the people of the USA vote in an anti-war President but NATO decides it needs a war, WHAT IS THE POINT OF HAVING A DEMOCRACY?
If all of your local, state, and sovereign decisions can be overturned by technocracy abroad ... WHAT IS THE POINT OF HAVING A DEMOCRACY?
That, for me, is the one deciding factor in Trump's favor: Where are all of these decisions ajudicated? In USA courts, or secret tribunals abroad?
No matter what harm Trump may do to the USA- short of nuclear war- a President who cedes the USA's sovereignty does far GREATER harm than Trump can ever do. Because as long as we are able to make those decisions ourselves, we can undo former decisions. But if that decision-making authority is ceded, it would take a Brexit-like movement to undo that. That scenario would be pretty godawful.
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www.britannica.com/topic/fascism/Common-characteristics-of-fascist-mov
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Fascism: definition
from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition.
fasc•ism fash'iz??m?
n.
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
n.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
https://www.wordnik.com/words/fascism
Fascism | Definition of Fascism by Merriam-Webster
Fascism definition is - a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
Fascism (/'fæ??z?m/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy[3] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
Fascism, political ideology and mass movement that dominated central, southern, and eastern Europe between 1919 and 1945 and was characterized by extreme militant nationalism, hatred of communism and socialism, contempt for democracy, and belief in natural social hierarchy and the rule of elites.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism
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It's AMAZING how in all those definitions they post they still don't get that Fascism is entirely about
1. domination (of mindset)
2. suppression (of biological norms)
3. territory (abnormal rationalizations for taking all of it)
IT IS ALWAYS SLAVERY. You cannot manipulate the natural order to such a degree and expect any level of normalcy or decency.
Supporting fascism is supporting depravity. https://refusefascism.org/
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I WILL HEARTILY DEFEND HUMAN RIGHTS UNTIL YOU CAN SEE YOUR WRONGS
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^ Virtue signalling.
Gross.
Nobody cares, Nilbog.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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