Trump Best Not Underestimate Biden's Debate Ability
POSTED BY: Jongsstraw
UPDATED: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 04:19
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It turns out that Creepy Uncle Joe is a damn good debater. No one knows this because no one actually watched the Demorat debates. But closer review of what actually occurred there reveals that Biden's got a few tricks up his sleeve, or maybe somewhere else …..
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I dunno though. I think Pete Bootyjudge's bleached asshole trump's Uncle Joey's hairy legs.
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Funny!
But yanno, what I thought was interesting was that they captured mostof the candidates' "normal" expressions ... Bernie's scowl, Warren's schoolmarmish pursed lips, Booty-judge's arched eyebrows... and make it look like a reaction to the "hairy legs" song.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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This is where the "hairy legs" meme comes from. I listened to this and thought whaaaaat???
It's like one of those inexplicable and inappropriate anecdotes that your strange uncle tells at Thanksgiving dinner, followed by awkward silence and then everyone chattering at once to quickly put it in the past.
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Just to add: Trump doesn't get a free pass, either. When I listen to him (which I don't do very often) I also sometimes get a "Whaaaaat??" reaction. It's about different things ... Joe Biden is just plain off-the-wall and creepy; Trump is different ... but neither person sticks to the truth.
OTOH, TRUMP didn't turn Ukraine into a family piggy-bank, didn't create several failed states, didn't set up surveillance on every person in the USA, didn't maintain a "kill list", and didn't offshore jobs to China. So there's that.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Quote:It just so happens that everything Signym wrote is false. www.npr.org/2020/09/23/916021299/gop-report-hunter-bidens-ukraine-job-
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
OTOH, TRUMP didn't turn Ukraine into a family piggy-bank, didn't create several failed states, didn't set up surveillance on every person in the USA, didn't maintain a "kill list", and didn't offshore jobs to China. So there's that.
problematic-effect-on-policy-unclear
On the other hand, there is a "family piggy-bank" and it is NOT the Biden family. Reporters put the pieces together as to how Trump was trying to snooker the IRS.
Just to name one example, Buettner, Craig, and McIntire sussed out that mysterious write-offs for consulting fees on certain Trump projects matched the amounts of payments to Trump’s daughter Ivanka Trump. And there’s far more in the Times’ excellent piece.
One major theme of the Times piece is that the IRS audit of Trump is extremely serious, and that he could end up owing the US government more than $100 million. So reporters’ scrutiny of his tax returns might not just be politically problematic for Trump — they could also be financially and legally problematic.
www.vox.com/2020/9/27/21458945/trump-tax-returns-new-york-times-ivanka
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lol Yeah. They all committed a felony.
This will be amusing.
One more night until Biden's other eyeball explodes. 
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No way Biden doesn't completely melt down at the debate. He's an empty-headed career politician who hasn't done anything except tell lie after lie for 50 years. Like the big lie that he attended Delaware State, an historically Black college. He didn't according to the Dean who checked their records. Also been lying for decades about his wife's car crash that he says was due to a drunk driver. Police report says nothing about a drunk driver, but it does blame his wife for the deadly crash.
And then there's The Thing ! …….
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Good thing the Libtard Voting Deadline is one day away. All Libtards need to get their Votes in before any Debate.
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The biggest libtard at this debate will be moderator Chris Wallace. He used to be a pretty solid and reliable journalist, but in the last few years he's changed into a little wuss anti-Trumper. I expect he will softball Biden while trying to trap and embarrass Trump. Not that these debates matter; Biden's campaign is on life support and Trump is stronger than ever.
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4 years ago the big rage was the Vagina Hats because Hilliary was failing.
What kind of hat will represent Dementia Joe after tonight's meltdown?
Will Libtards burn down more cities? Jump from skyscrapers?
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
4 years ago the big rage was the Vagina Hats because Hilliary was failing.
What kind of hat will represent Dementia Joe after tonight's meltdown?
Dunce Cap.
All the Democrats have to do is dust off their caps from their KKK outfits and cut the face part off.
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Will Libtards burn down more cities? Jump from skyscrapers?
Yes.
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Given the debate I just saw, the OP is true.
Biden roasted Trump, though he wasn't as mean about it as he should have been.
Damn polite Democrats...
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Should have made the prediction that you would have thought so.
lol
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At the end of the day, if nothing else is remembered from this debate, Trump got Biden to shit on the Green New Deal on national TV.
He didn't only say that he doesn't support it. He outright scoffed at it.
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Quote:I'm going to remember this because Trump was talking nonsense about the VA Hospitals:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
At the end of the day, if nothing else is remembered from this debate, Trump got Biden to shit on the Green New Deal on national TV.
He didn't only say that he doesn't support it. He outright scoffed at it.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
President Donald J. Trump: (09:39)
Joe, you’ve had 308,000 military people dying because you couldn’t provide them proper healthcare in the military. So don’t tell me about this.
Vice President Joe Biden: (09:47)
I’m happy to talk about this.
President Donald J. Trump: (09:48)
And if you were here, it wouldn’t be 200, it would be two million people because you were very late on the draw. You didn’t want me to ban China, which was heavily infected. You didn’t want me to ban Europe.
Chris Wallace: (09:58)
All right, gentlemen, Mr. President.
President Donald J. Trump: (10:00)
You would have been much later, Joe, much later.
Chris Wallace: (10:04)
Mr. President.
President Donald J. Trump: (10:04)
We’re talking about two million people.
Vice President Joe Biden: (10:05)
You’re not going to be able to shut him up.
Chris Wallace: (10:06)
Mr. President, as the moderator, we are going to talk about COVID in the next segment. But go ahead.
www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-joe-biden-1st-presidential-d
ebate-transcript-2020
After 20 seconds of Trump blathering, I had to turn it off.
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The first 2020 presidential debate Tuesday night in Cleveland featured an avalanche of lies from President Donald Trump — while Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden was largely accurate in his statements, though he did make some false or misleading claims.
There were times, particularly during the conclusion of the debate, when almost every comment from Trump was inaccurate. Most of his false claims were ones he’s made before and which have been repeatedly fact-checked and found to be false, rather than one-time slips or gaffes.
www.abc17news.com/politics/national-politics/2020/09/30/fact-check-bid
en-and-trump-comments-at-the-first-debate/
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Quote:
Originally posted by second:
I'm going to remember this...
Quote:
After 20 seconds of Trump blathering, I had to turn it off.
Figures.
I watched the whole thing. I'm sure you'll get your echo chamber "facts" from your Leftist propaganda outfits tomorrow.
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Trump refuses to condemn his Nazi thugs.
He lies, then tells his Nazi hordes to "stand back and stand by." -Dogwhistling to his murderous brown shirts.
We know that when he loses, Trump will pretend the election wasn't legitimate, and his idiot Nazi soldiers will go around killing people. That's what they want.
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Trump claims in debate ‘Portland Sheriff’ gave him endorsement; Reese quickly responds: I ‘will never support him’
https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2020/09/trump-claims-in-debate-por
tland-sheriff-gave-him-endorsement-reese-quickly-responds-i-will-never-support-him.html
Is there anything Trump doesn't lie about?
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Best line of the night.
I feel ya, Joe. 
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It's funny 'cuz it's true.
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Proud boys.
I think that "Twink for Trump" better read up on what Hitler did to the gay Nazis once he no longer needed them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives
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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
I'm going to remember this...Quote:
After 20 seconds of Trump blathering, I had to turn it off.
Figures.
I watched the whole thing. I'm sure you'll get your echo chamber "facts" from your Leftist propaganda outfits tomorrow.
You missed the point completely, 6ix, which was when President Donald J. Trump said at (09:39)
"Joe, you’ve had 308,000 military people dying because you couldn’t provide them proper healthcare in the military. So don’t tell me about this." (That's where I turned on the debate.)
www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-joe-biden-1st-presidential-d
ebate-transcript-2020
Trump pulled out of the air the FAKE number 308,000 veterans died only to have a bigger number than Biden's 200,000 died from Covid-19. Trump is talking nonsense about the Veterans Administration and the debate moderator tried to get Trump to wait for his turn to speak, but Trump won't stop. Do I want a president who will make sure that, in a dangerous world, none of our enemies will be able to complete a sentence?
The transcript clearly shows there are no hugely important facts in the debate, other than Trump is crazy: www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-joe-biden-1st-presidential-d
ebate-transcript-2020
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
At the end of the day, if nothing else is remembered from this debate, Trump got Biden to shit on the Green New Deal on national TV.
Oh Noz! Biden doesn't like the Green New Deal! lol That's your big take away?? You found one little crumb amongst all of Trump's sh*t spew - good one.
'Cuz if the Green New Deal happens... what? Your life of sitting on your @ss all day might come to and end? 6stringFeelz just can't stop caring. What a tool.
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Quote:What actually was said? This:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
At the end of the day, if nothing else is remembered from this debate, Trump got Biden to shit on the Green New Deal on national TV.
Oh Noz! Biden doesn't like the Green New Deal! lol That's your big take away?? You found one little crumb amongst all of Trump's sh*t spew - good one.
Vice President Joe Biden: (59:08)
No, I don’t support the Green New Deal.
President Donald J. Trump: (59:10)
Oh, you don’t? Oh, well, that’s a big statement.
Vice President Joe Biden: (59:12)
I support [crosstalk 00:05:13]-
President Donald J. Trump: (59:13)
You just lost the radical left.
Vice President Joe Biden: (59:15)
I support [crosstalk 00:59:17] the Biden plan that I put forward.
Chris Wallace: (59:19)
Okay.
Vice President Joe Biden: (59:19)
The Biden plan, which is different than what he calls the radical Green New Deal.
www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-joe-biden-1st-presidential-d
ebate-transcript-2020
What is the "Biden Plan"? https://joebiden.com/climate-plan/
The Biden Plan for a Clean Energy Revolution and Environmental Justice
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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I watched the whole thing.
lol
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Trump did himself no favors with his asshole display.
Undecided voters describe Trump as a 'crackhead,' 'arrogant' in post-debate focus group
https://theweek.com/speedreads/940618/undecided-voters-describe-trump-
crackhead-arrogant-postdebate-focus-group
In all, from 17 voters in swing states, 15 used negative words and just two used positive words or phrases to describe the president (that is, if you consider "an ass but a confident ass" to be a compliment).
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Why Trump resorted to torching the debate
Unlike in 2016, he lacks a clear message or line of attack against his opponent. What remained was bullying, interruptions and ad hominem provocations.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/30/trump-debate-tactics-423547
Joe said it best: "You have no plan."
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Not only has he never denounced white supremacy, he called them "good people", he called them "patriots", and - oh yeah -- he literally campaigned on racism towards Hispanics, has interned hispanic children, and has directed ethnic cleansing. Why are they still fucking surprised? I swear to god, some people really need a fucking signed and notarized certificate of white supremacy before they get the fucking hint that an obvious racist is indeed a racist.
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Donald Trump ensures first presidential debate is national humiliation
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/30/trump-debate-national-
humiliation-analysis
It was. Trump is losing more and more support every day, and he did himself no favors last night.
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Biden raises a record $3.8 million in 1 hour during debate with Trump
https://www.axios.com/biden-raises-record-38-million-trump-debate-7d46
07e5-81b1-43cc-a065-37b2b41e6f36.html
The writing is on the wall. Trump is hated by all rational people, worldwide.
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lol
Keep believing them when they tell you that Biden won the debate.
Their only bar for declaring it a Biden win was that he didn't fall off the stage and he didn't have a total brain meltdown.
Just keep two things in mind...
They said that Hillary won all 3 debates in 2016.
They also said that Mitt Romney beat Obama in the first debate in 2012.
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Quote:There was no prizes to win, but Trump did prove himself mentally unstable, unable to control himself when asked to stop talking over the moderator's questions and Biden's answers. If you read the actual words coming out of Trump's mouth, he proved himself to be stupid. 6ix, try reading Trump to see what I mean:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol
Keep believing them when they tell you that Biden won the debate.
Their only bar for declaring it a Biden win was that he didn't fall off the stage and he didn't have a total brain meltdown.
Just keep two things in mind...
They said that Hillary won all 3 debates in 2016.
They also said that Mitt Romney beat Obama in the first debate in 2012.
President Donald J. Trump: (01:05:14)
You either do, Chris, a solicited ballot, where you’re sending it in, they’re sending it back and you’re sending. They have mailmen with lots of it. Did you see what’s going on? Take a look at West Virginia, mailman selling the ballots. They’re being sold. They’re being dumped in rivers. This is a horrible thing for our country.
Trump is woozy, disoriented, drunk.
www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-joe-biden-1st-presidential-d
ebate-transcript-2020
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Trump punched and punched hoping for a knockout blow, but it never happened. That ill-planned aggressive approach allowed Biden to not answer Moderator questions and still appear able and competent. All in all the debate was a Horror Show. It was ugly, moronic, and embarrassing. I wish I could get those two hours back, and if I never see that douche-of-a-moderator Chris Wallace again it'll be too soon.
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Quote:No one told me what to believe. I watched it. Biden won, though he let Trump interrupt him too much.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol
Keep believing them when they tell you that Biden won the debate.
Wallace was a terrible moderator. Terrible. Trump acted like a spoiled child the whole time, and Wallace just let him. Pathetic.
Worst debate in history.
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Quote:Chris Wallace made it very clear that Trump can't give straight answers to simple questions and can't stop talking. For example:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Trump punched and punched hoping for a knockout blow, but it never happened. That ill-planned aggressive approach allowed Biden to not answer Moderator questions and still appear able and competent. All in all the debate was a Horror Show. It was ugly, moronic, and embarrassing. I wish I could get those two hours back, and if I never see that douche-of-a-moderator Chris Wallace again it'll be too soon.
President Donald J. Trump: (01:08:16)
I’m urging my supporters to go in to the polls and watch very carefully, because that’s what has to happen. I am urging them to do it. As you know, today there was a big problem. In Philadelphia, they went in to watch. They’re called poll watchers, a very safe, very nice thing. They were thrown out. They weren’t allowed to watch. You know why? Because bad things happen in Philadelphia. Bad things. And I am urging my people. I hope it’s going to be a fair election. If it’s a fair election-
Chris Wallace: (01:08:44)
You’re urging them what?
President Donald J. Trump: (01:08:45)
… I am 100% on board. But if I see tens of thousands of ballots being manipulated, I can’t go along with that. And I’ll tell you why-
Chris Wallace: (01:08:53)
What does that mean, not go along-
President Donald J. Trump: (01:08:53)
… from a common sense-
Chris Wallace: (01:08:54)
Does that mean you’re going to tell your people-
President Donald J. Trump: (01:08:55)
I’ll tell you what it means-
Chris Wallace: (01:08:55)
… to take to the streets?
President Donald J. Trump: (01:08:56)
It means you have a fraudulent election. You’re sending out 80 million ballots-
Chris Wallace: (01:09:00)
And what would you do about that?
President Donald J. Trump: (01:09:01)
They’re not equipped… These people aren’t equipped to handle it, number one. Number two, they cheat. They cheat. Hey, they found ballots in a wastepaper basket three days ago, and they all had the name military ballots. There were military. They all had the name Trump on them.
Chris Wallace: (01:09:17)
Vice President Biden-
President Donald J. Trump: (01:09:17)
You think that’s good?
Chris Wallace: (01:09:18)
Vice President Biden, final question for you. Will you urge your supporters to stay calm while the vote is counted? And will you pledge not to declare victory until the election is independently certified?
Vice President Joe Biden: (01:09:30)
Yes. And here’s the deal. We count the ballots, as you pointed out. Some of these ballots in some states can’t even be opened until election day. And if there’s thousands of ballots, it’s going to take time to do it. And by the way, our military… They’ve been voting by ballots since the end of the Civil War, in effect. And that’s what’s going to happen. Why is it, for them, somehow not fraudulent. It’s the same process. It’s honest. No one has established at all that there is fraud related to mail-in ballots, that somehow it’s a fraudulent process.
President Donald J. Trump: (01:10:07)
It’s already been established. Take a look at Carolyn Maloney’s race-
Chris Wallace: (01:10:10)
I asked you. You had an opportunity to respond [crosstalk 01:10:13]. Go ahead [crosstalk 01:10:14]. Vice President Biden, go ahead.
www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-joe-biden-1st-presidential-d
ebate-transcript-2020
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Trump punched and punched hoping for a knockout blow, but it never happened. That ill-planned aggressive approach allowed Biden to not answer Moderator questions and still appear able and competent. All in all the debate was a Horror Show. It was ugly, moronic, and embarrassing. I wish I could get those two hours back, and if I never see that douche-of-a-moderator Chris Wallace again it'll be too soon.
Ha ha ha - Wallace had no idea what was happening.
Oh, almost forgot: Trump's a lying sack of sh*t. Worst president ever. Most hateful, bullying, lying, murders Americans, cities are on fire, unemployment is effed, economy is sliding, stock market is the last thing unf*cked and is likely going to crumble. And now he's threatening violence with an armed group of Momma's Boys playing with guns if he doesn't get what he wants. He's totally f*cking up this country. Hard for me to imagine that the joy of hating Democrats makes up for all that.
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Quote:Chris Wallace could have controlled Trump by turning off Trump's microphone. There is another technique used on radio -- play humiliating sound effects when Trump says something stupid. That would risk Trump walking off the stage and letting Biden take complete control. Wallace should have risked it.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Trump punched and punched hoping for a knockout blow, but it never happened. That ill-planned aggressive approach allowed Biden to not answer Moderator questions and still appear able and competent. All in all the debate was a Horror Show. It was ugly, moronic, and embarrassing. I wish I could get those two hours back, and if I never see that douche-of-a-moderator Chris Wallace again it'll be too soon.
Ha ha ha - Wallace had no idea what was happening.
Oh, almost forgot: Trump's a lying sack of sh*t. Worst president ever. Most hateful, bullying, lying, murders Americans, cities are on fire, unemployment is effed, economy is sliding, stock market is the last thing unf*cked and is likely going to crumble. And now he's threatening violence with an armed group of Momma's Boys playing with guns if he doesn't get what he wants. He's totally f*cking up this country. Hard for me to imagine that the joy of hating Democrats makes up for all that.
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What we saw tonight, the muddled mess and anger, reflects the paralyzing levels of internal division currently wracking the United States. Sure, the proximate cause is Trump’s personal style, and the clear personal animosity between the two men on display. But it also reflected the dangerously polarized nature of American politics at this particular moment, even on fundamental issues of how our political system should work.
At the very end of the debate, for example, Trump wouldn’t even pledge to accept defeat — responding to Wallace’s question on this front by encouraging his followers to show up at polling stations in Philadelphia, a Democratic stronghold in a key battleground, “because bad things happen in Philadelphia.”
This wasn’t just ugly in an aesthetic sense; it was ugly in a more fundamental one, a sign of a system breaking down as rival camps within it no longer universally accept the rules of the game. And nobody benefits more from this kind of internal discord in the world’s most powerful state than China.
www.vox.com/2020/9/29/21493926/first-presidential-debate-winners-loser
s-biden-trump
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Quote:Knockout blow? What were you thinking? In this Trump vs. Obiden/Wallace fight, Creepy Joe could have been flat on his back on the canvas, gasping, and wondering what hs name was, and there was never going to be any way that the Obiden/Wallace team was going to call it.
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Trump punched and punched hoping for a knockout blow, but it never happened. That ill-planned aggressive approach allowed Biden to not answer Moderator questions and still appear able and competent. All in all the debate was a Horror Show. It was ugly, moronic, and embarrassing. I wish I could get those two hours back, and if I never see that douche-of-a-moderator Chris Wallace again it'll be too soon.
Many folk had already said, and clamored for Trump taking the example of Obiden when he interrupted and was even rude to Ryan in 2012 - which is what Trump did this time. I personally think it was not as "nice" as folks in WI are accustomed to, but this is a New Yorker against a team of 47-year Swamp Creature plus career Never-Trumper.
So, Trump seemed to hold the line in this format fairly well against the Obiden/Wallace team.
What will likely be remembered is the following paraphrase: Mr. President!! I am the moderator, and whenever Joe rambles on or drifts off-topic, or runs out of coherent speech, I must interrupt and change the topic and shout you down so that the audience won't notice Joe fumbling with his scattered thoughts, and you must allow me to run interference for Joe!! Stop interrupting when I am trying to change topics or when Joe is telling more lies!!
He did seem to land about 7 heavy blows.
Hunter Biden. Met with dead air, until Wallace rescued the team by interrupting for change of topic.
Antifag - "idea, not an organization"
Economy - Obiden said the secret to building the economy is to shut it down for Covid.
Law and Order - Joe could not say the words.
No SCOTUS List
Green Deal
Communist Manifesto
One or both of those last 2 were reportedly still on Obiden's website this morning, after he denounced them in the debate.
Anybody try to look up Obiden's platform? I tried to search for Joe Biden Platform and the Biden Plan finally showed up at the bottom of the results page.
Funny that the Libtard search engines are trying to bury creepy Joe's platform.
When Obiden tries to claim tht Trump followers are racists, teammate Wallace kept mum. When Trump points out that Obiden's Antifags are burning down cities, Wallace interrupts until the topic can be changed.
When Obiden/Wallace team moderator asks the unbiased question "Will you Mr President tell your patriots to not defend businesses and homes from Democrat rioters" and Trump says "sure," Wallace ignores it, asks "Will you tell them to stand down in cities where cops have been directed to hie" and Trump says "Sure," and Wallace ignores that. When Trump points out the facts that only Democrap Antifags and BLM are creating violence in these cities, and not right-wing defenders of businesses and homes, Wallace interrupts and shouts over Trump, while Obiden rearranges his Dunce Cap.
After Wallace keeps saying "Stand Down" then Trump agrees "Stand Down, Stand By"
Whenever Obiden went on his winding, rambling riffs without Wallace interruption, and Trump would point out the lies, Wallace would interrupt the facts.
I assume the Obiden/Wallace team threw out the lies about Trump not paying Taxes. But did Trump manage to mention how Obiden avoided paying Millions of Federal Taxes via his phony S1-Corp?
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Knockout blow? What were you thinking? In this Trump vs. Obiden/Wallace fight, Creepy Joe could have been flat on his back on the canvas, gasping, and wondering what hs name was, and there was never going to be any way that the Obiden/Wallace team was going to call it.
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Trump punched and punched hoping for a knockout blow, but it never happened. That ill-planned aggressive approach allowed Biden to not answer Moderator questions and still appear able and competent. All in all the debate was a Horror Show. It was ugly, moronic, and embarrassing. I wish I could get those two hours back, and if I never see that douche-of-a-moderator Chris Wallace again it'll be too soon.
Many folk had already said, and clamored for Trump taking the example of Obiden when he interrupted and was even rude to Ryan in 2012 - which is what Trump did this time. I personally think it was not as "nice" as folks in WI are accustomed to, but this is a New Yorker against a team of 47-year Swamp Creature plus career Never-Trumper.
So, Trump seemed to hold the line in this format fairly well against the Obiden/Wallace team.
What will likely be remembered is the following paraphrase: Mr. President!! I am the moderator, and whenever Joe rambles on or drifts off-topic, or runs out of coherent speech, I must interrupt and change the topic and shout you down so that the audience won't notice Joe fumbling with his scattered thoughts, and you must allow me to run interference for Joe!! Stop interrupting when I am trying to change topics or when Joe is telling more lies!!
He did seem to manage about 7 heavy blows.
Hunter Biden. Met with dead air, until Wallace rescued the team by interrupting for change of topic.
Antifag - "idea, not an organization"
Economy
Law and Order - Joe could not say the words.
No SCOTUS List
Green Deal
Communist Manifesto
You're just pathetic! What a shit Russian troll! Spewing the fascist talking points.
This will be remembered as the worst debate ever, and it's entirely due to Trump's stupidity.
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The worst debate in all of history!!
An embarrassment to America!
Yes, I remember when this was the description when Clinton got trampled by Ross Perot.
And then again when Slick Willie got trampled by Ross Perot...Again. Even the "unbiased" liberal Election Board tried to make rules to eliminate Perot from the debate.
And then the same thing when algore got stymied by Bush.
And the same when Swiftboat Ketchup got run over by Bush.
And then the same claim when Romney bested Obamination.
And yet agina the same thing when Trump clobbered Hilliary.
yawn.
Could it possibly be the same claim again?
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Quote:Even for Donald Trump, it was a surreal moment last night when he refused to condemn violent white supremacist and militia groups. “Give me a name,” he demanded. “The Proud Boys,” Joe Biden answered. But instead of condemning them, Trump gave them a big boost: “Proud Boys — stand back and stand by.” It was an obvious call to rally these agitators, who have assaulted people in the streets from New York City to Portland, for possible post-election violence, and they couldn’t have been happier about it:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The worst debate in all of history!!
An embarrassment to America!
Yes, I remember when this was the description when Clinton got trampled by Ross Perot.
And then again when Slick Willie got trampled by Ross Perot...Again. Even the "unbiased" liberal Election Board tried to make rules to eliminate Perot from the debate.
And then the same thing when algore got stymied by Bush.
And the same when Swiftboat Ketchup got run over by Bush.
And then the same claim when Romney bested Obamination.
And yet agina the same thing when Trump clobbered Hilliary.
yawn.
Could it possibly be the same claim again?
Within minutes, members of the group were posting in private social media channels, calling the president’s comments “historic.” In one channel dedicated to the Proud Boys on Telegram, a private messaging app, group members called the president’s comment a tacit endorsement of their violent tactics. In another message, a member commented that the group was already seeing a spike in “new recruits.”
So far Republicans seem to be either staying quiet about this or trying to twist Trump’s words to make them sound harmless. “I heard it differently,” said Chris Christie. And with that, a party that has shamed itself for the past four years falls even further into the abyss.
Proud Boys celebrate Trump’s ‘stand by’ remark about them at the debate.
www.nytimes.com/2020/09/29/us/trump-proud-boys-biden.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Trump-Biden clash was watched by at least 65 million viewers
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/30/media/first-presidential-debate-tv-rati
ngs/index.html
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Quote:Golly!
Originally posted by second:
The first 2020 presidential debate Tuesday night in Cleveland featured an avalanche of lies from President Donald Trump — while Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden was largely accurate in his statements, though he did make some false or misleading claims.
There were times, particularly during the conclusion of the debate, when almost every comment from Trump was inaccurate. Most of his false claims were ones he’s made before and which have been repeatedly fact-checked and found to be false, rather than one-time slips or gaffes.
www.abc17news.com/politics/national-politics/2020/09/30/fact-check-bid
en-and-trump-comments-at-the-first-debate/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
It's like there's a pattern!
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I watched the whole thing.
lol
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Trump is a poster child for Russian and Chinese propaganda about democratic decay. Trump's inaccurate comments on election integrity sounded like a public service announcement scripted by the Kremlin.
When pressed on the facts about mail-in voting, Trump lied and spread conspiracy theories, despite the warning from the FBI and Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Agency that foreign actors and cyber criminals are doubling down on spreading disinformation about the elections. FBI Director Christopher Wray specifically said that he worries misinformation could contribute to Americans losing confidence in our elections.
Trump was more than a megaphone for such misinformation last night. With all the access he has to US intelligence, not to mention the fact that Russian disinformation efforts are public information, Trump should know that he's helping Putin attack the United States -- but he seems not to care.
Wray: Russia 'very active' in 2020 election
www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/09/17/fbi-director
-wray-russia-very-active-2020-election-disruption/3484222001/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Trump claims Biden policies killed over 308,000 veterans, but that’s not what investigators found
www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/09/30/fact-check-tru
mp-claims-biden-policies-killed-over-308000-veterans-but-thats-not-what-investigators-found/
For example, one veteran in that group who appeared to have died waiting for care was shown applying for VA enrollment for the first time in 2009, and failing to receive any help for the next five years. However, the patient actually died in 1993. Investigators blasted VA’s records systems at the time as “generally unreliable for monitoring, reporting on the status of health care enrollments, and making decisions regarding overall processing timeliness.”
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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I found this on another website and laughed so hard I cried. I didn't want to start a thread for this so I'll just dump it here:
TrumPollo el LOCO
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Republicans are resigned to the fact that Trump is unlikely –– or unwilling –– to course-correct. “Trump thinks he won. He didn’t,” said another Republican with ties to the campaign. “But does anyone have the balls to tell him that? No. They’d be fired.”
Trump doesn’t accept the consensus that the debate was a disaster because, sources said, he was unabashedly himself. “The thing about the debate is people got to see why no one that has any integrity can work for Trump. This is what Trump is like in the Oval Office every day. It’s why John Kelly left. It’s why Jim Mattis quit,” said the prominent Republican. “Trump doesn’t let anyone else speak. He really doesn’t care what you have to say. He demeans people. He talks over them. And everyone around him thinks it’s getting worse.”
https://web.archive.org/web/20200930234614/https://www.vanityfair.com/
news/2020/09/trumpworld-panics-over-debate-fiasco-as-campaign-turmoil-mounts
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Fuck Republicans.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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To the extent that there was a substantive headline, it was Trump’s continued campaign to undermine public confidence in the upcoming election by baselessly asserting that ballots will be interfered with. “This is not going to end well,” he said, of the election, showing once again that his plan is to attack the very idea of voting itself. He then repeated it, as if for emphasis. “This is not going to end well.” It sure sounded like a threat.
www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-joe-biden-1st-presidential-d
ebate-transcript-2020
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Trump denies knowing who 'Proud Boys' are, again declines to condemn white supremacy by name
GOP Sen. Mitch McConnell called Trump's debate comments "unacceptable."
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-denies-knowing-proud-boys-declin
es-condemn-white/story?id=73342275
Even Mitch the bitch had to distance himself from the idiot. 
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Rick Santorum says asking Trump to condemn right-wing extremists is unfair because they're his base
https://www.businessinsider.com/rick-santorum-trump-right-wing-extremi
sts-voting-base-2020-9?utm_source=reddit.com&utm_source=reddit.com
Just an incredible, oblivious own of Trump here from Rick Santorum.
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West Virginia’s Secretary of State Mac Warner refuted President Donald Trump’s claim that a postal worker in the state was “selling ballots”.
The attempted fraud was a “unique circumstance where a postal carrier altered absentee ballot applications, not ballots,” Warner said. Postal worker Thomas Cooper pleaded guilty in July to attempted election fraud and injury to the mail after changing five ballot requests from Democrat to Republican. They would have resulted in Democratic voters receiving ballots featuring Republican primary candidates.
Trump said of ballots in West Virginia, “They’re being sold. They’re being dumped in rivers.” It was among several other false claims the president made about the nation’s election system.
www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/w-virginia-official-debunks-tru
mp-claim-about-postal-worker-selling-n1241678
www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/us/politics/west-Virginia-election-fraud.ht
ml
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Internal document shows Trump officials were told to make comments sympathetic to Kyle Rittenhouse
In prepping DHS officials for questions about Rittenhouse, the document suggests they say he took a gun to Kenosha "to help defend small business owners."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/internal-document-s
hows-trump-officials-were-told-make-comments-sympathetic-n1241581
Another set of talking points distributed to Homeland Security officials said the media were incorrectly labeling the group Patriot Prayer as racists after clashes erupted between the group and protesters in Portland, Oregon.
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So full of shit... *facepalm*
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Why Chris Wallace blew it: Even at its best, Fox News is a right-wing noise machine
Wallace got completely bulldozed by Donald Trump — but what can you expect? His entire network is propaganda
https://www.salon.com/2020/10/01/why-chris-wallace-blew-it-even-at-its
-best-fox-news-is-a-right-wing-noise-machine/
The host of "Fox News Sunday" told The New York Times earlier this week, "If I've done my job right, at the end of the night, people will say, 'That was a great debate, who was the moderator?'" Wallace not only failed to meet his own low standard of uselessness, he actively aided Trump by peddling dangerous misinformation and pushing modulated versions of the same right-wing narrative deployed by Trump, creating a dangerous feedback loop.
Despite Trump's day-after complaints, for much of Tuesday's debate it was clear that Wallace simply let the president moderate. "If you want to switch seats, we can do that," Wallace offered Trump a little more than an hour into the debate. Wallace repeatedly interrupted Biden to ask Trump questions. He then permitted Trump to keep talking over Biden without cutting him off, and allowed lie after lie to go unchallenged. Much too late, Wallace tried to exert some control, but he rarely, if ever, succeeded.
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On police violence and the ongoing protests in Portland, Oregon, the Fox News host portrayed the issue as nightly riots by the protesters — rather than nightly violence by police. People have assembled in Portland to protest police violence every night and cops have responded by brutalizing them. Wallace didn't mention the Trump supporters driving down the streets following a pro-Trump rally, shooting random people with paintball guns and pepper-spraying them. Wallace brought up antifa — all-purpose right-wing bugaboo of the moment — but made no mention of the men who traveled to a Walmart in El Paso and a synagogue in Pittsburgh to carry out what they interpreted as a mission of violent racial animus supported by the president.
Even if Wallace deserves plaudits for pressing Trump to denounce white supremacists, we wouldn't even be in this situation if Fox News and the right-wing media hadn't spent decades and billions of dollars promoting hate. Trump's most rambling monologues on Tuesday night were hard to follow for anyone not completely immersed in the Fox News conspiracy universe.
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Obiden won't need to make nearly as much pretense of effort for the next Debate.
Instead of Obiden/Wallace team, it will be Obiden/Scully team. Steve Scully being an employee of Obiden, and longtime friend. Even attending the Biden Beach Bash as recently as 2016.
This is what passes for "unbiased" or "fair and balanced" for Democrats and other Libtards.
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Quote:One gets caught, hundreds don't get caught.
Originally posted by second:
West Virginia’s Secretary of State Mac Warner refuted President Donald Trump’s claim that a postal worker in the state was “selling ballots”.
The attempted fraud was a “unique circumstance where a postal carrier altered absentee ballot applications, not ballots,” Warner said. Postal worker Thomas Cooper pleaded guilty in July to attempted election fraud and injury to the mail after changing five ballot requests from Democrat to Republican. They would have resulted in Democratic voters receiving ballots featuring Republican primary candidates.
Trump said of ballots in West Virginia, “They’re being sold. They’re being dumped in rivers.” It was among several other false claims the president made about the nation’s election system.
www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/w-virginia-official-debunks-tru
mp-claim-about-postal-worker-selling-n1241678
www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/us/politics/west-Virginia-election-fraud.ht
ml
Now THAT is PROOF that it NEVER HAPPENS.
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Quote:You're so un-self aware, it's hilarious.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:One gets caught, hundreds don't get caught.
Originally posted by second:
West Virginia’s Secretary of State Mac Warner refuted President Donald Trump’s claim that a postal worker in the state was “selling ballots”.
The attempted fraud was a “unique circumstance where a postal carrier altered absentee ballot applications, not ballots,” Warner said. Postal worker Thomas Cooper pleaded guilty in July to attempted election fraud and injury to the mail after changing five ballot requests from Democrat to Republican. They would have resulted in Democratic voters receiving ballots featuring Republican primary candidates.
Trump said of ballots in West Virginia, “They’re being sold. They’re being dumped in rivers.” It was among several other false claims the president made about the nation’s election system.
www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/w-virginia-official-debunks-tru
mp-claim-about-postal-worker-selling-n1241678
www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/us/politics/west-Virginia-election-fraud.ht
ml
Now THAT is PROOF that it NEVER HAPPENS.
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Did you notice how people who accuse others of misbehavior are often guilty of the very same thing themselves?
WISHY, posting that women are better than men at EVERYTHING (sounds kinds sexist, no?) accuses others of sexism.
Also, having fantasized about offing 7+billion people, accuses others of being "fascist".
THUGR, probably the least intellectually gifted on the board, accuses others of beimg "stupid".
REAVERBOT, spectacularly not self-aware, says that others aren't self aware.
Also, while inciting and excusing criminal violence against non-violent others, claims that others are violent.
SECONDRATE, the most rabidly partisan on board, thinks everyone else is partisan.
It's almost like listening to Democrats claiming that Republicans shredded the Constitution, took bribes from Russia, forced a "quid pro quo" on Ukraine, and destroyed the economy, even as they participated with both hands.
It's just too funny!
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
#WEARAMASK
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It sounds like I'm glad I missed the whole thing.
Joe Rogan for moderator!
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Quote:So funny that there are 100 political parties but only two get elected. Maybe I should be a member of the 98 also ran political parties?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECONDRATE, the most rabidly partisan on board, thinks everyone else is partisan.
It's almost like listening to Democrats claiming that Republicans shredded the Constitution, took bribes from Russia, forced a "quid pro quo" on Ukraine, and destroyed the economy, even as they participated with both hands.
It's just too funny!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_
States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_politician#United_States
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Quote:You know, for a long time I have assumed you were a Liberal - and I had thought you had stated such yourself.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Did you notice how people who accuse others of misbehavior are often guilty of the very same thing themselves?
WISHY, posting that women are better than men at EVERYTHING (sounds kinds sexist, no?) accuses others of sexism.
Also, having fantasized about offing 7+billion people, accuses others of being "fascist".
THUGR, probably the least intellectually gifted on the board, accuses others of beimg "stupid".
REAVERBOT, spectacularly not self-aware, says that others aren't self aware.
Also, while inciting and excusing criminal violence against non-violent others, claims that others are violent.
SECONDRATE, the most rabidly partisan on board, thinks everyone else is partisan.
It's almost like listening to Democrats claiming that Republicans shredded the Constitution, took bribes from Russia, forced a "quid pro quo" on Ukraine, and destroyed the economy, even as they participated with both hands.
It's just too funny!
But now there is just too much sensible output from you that I am taken aback.
Maybe you suddenly opened your eyes. Maybe you have been hiding this for so long.
I never thought you were dumb - just merely stuck in the media bubble that is SoCal. Effectively meaning brainwashed every day and every hour.
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Quote:Russian trolls finding themselves in agreement.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:You know, for a long time I have assumed you were a Liberal - and I had thought you had stated such yourself.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Did you notice how people who accuse others of misbehavior are often guilty of the very same thing themselves?
WISHY, posting that women are better than men at EVERYTHING (sounds kinds sexist, no?) accuses others of sexism.
Also, having fantasized about offing 7+billion people, accuses others of being "fascist".
THUGR, probably the least intellectually gifted on the board, accuses others of beimg "stupid".
REAVERBOT, spectacularly not self-aware, says that others aren't self aware.
Also, while inciting and excusing criminal violence against non-violent others, claims that others are violent.
SECONDRATE, the most rabidly partisan on board, thinks everyone else is partisan.
It's almost like listening to Democrats claiming that Republicans shredded the Constitution, took bribes from Russia, forced a "quid pro quo" on Ukraine, and destroyed the economy, even as they participated with both hands.
It's just too funny!
But now there is just too much sensible output from you that I am taken aback.
Maybe you suddenly opened your eyes. Maybe you have been hiding this for so long.
I never thought you were dumb - just merely stuck in the media bubble that is SoCal. Effectively meaning brainwashed every day and every hour.
Fascinating!
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Quote:Registered Democrat. But that doesn't reflect my political philosophy.
You know, for a long time I have assumed you were a Liberal - and I had thought you had stated such yourself.
Quote:Long story. Care for one?
But now there is just too much sensible output from you that I am taken aback. Maybe you suddenly opened your eyes. Maybe you have been hiding this for so long.
I never thought you were dumb - just merely stuck in the media bubble that is SoCal. Effectively meaning brainwashed every day and every hour.
I'm far to the left of "liberal" on some things. I consider "liberals" to be namby-pamby feel-gooders (now called "virtue signallers") who want to feel like they're "nice" or "good" without actually wanting anything to change, or ever challenging power. I'm to the right of "establishment" Republicans, because I'm more nationalistic than they are. OTOH I'm not so naive as Libertarians, who believe that "If we only had real capitalism things would all work out" because capitalism always ultimately devolves to monopolism/fascism.
I used to think that the Federal government should step in and solve all of our problems. And while I think that there are some problems ONLY a centralized government can solve, I see now that centralized government is like the One Ring, and the way it currently operates it brings increasing numbers of people in thrall to banks and big corporations, and robs people of agency in their lives.
So if there was a function to a national government ... aside from protecting the people from foreign threats and balancing the rights of one group against another ... it would be to actively decentralize almost everything.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Donald Trump Can’t Denounce White Supremacists Because He Is One
He showed us again last night.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/10/donald-trump-cant-denounc
e-white-supremacists-because-he-is-one/
“This all remains very puzzling,” an angry John Roberts of Fox News said on air a few minutes later. “Stop deflecting, stop blaming the media. I’m tired of it.”
With all respect to Roberts, a far more credible journalist than many of the people at his network, it is not very puzzling. Trump makes his views on white supremacy crystal clear every time he holds a rally—every time he tells a Muslim, Somali-American congresswoman to “go back”; every time he says that “our country” is not also hers; every time he tells white Minnesotans that refugees from Africa are dangerous and a threat to their way of life. He made his views clear when he said that some white supremacists are “very fine people”; or that neo-fascists should “stand by”; or that a judge born in Indiana is biased because of his “Mexican heritage”; or that people coming across the border are “rapists”; and so on…)
The president doesn’t condemn these bigots because he is one. This whole exercise of asking him to condemn something and then wondering why he doesn’t is not simply pointless—it’s an active refusal to accept the facts as they’ve been laid out. He told you who he is; for once, you can take him at his word.
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Quote:Sure, Russian troll. Sure...
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Registered Democrat. But that doesn't reflect my political philosophy.
You know, for a long time I have assumed you were a Liberal - and I had thought you had stated such yourself.Quote:Long story. Care for one?
But now there is just too much sensible output from you that I am taken aback. Maybe you suddenly opened your eyes. Maybe you have been hiding this for so long.
I never thought you were dumb - just merely stuck in the media bubble that is SoCal. Effectively meaning brainwashed every day and every hour.
I'm far to the left of "liberal" on some things. I consider "liberals" to be namby-pamby feel-gooders (now called "virtue signallers") who want to feel like they're "nice" or "good" without actually wanting anything to change, or ever challenging the powerful. I'm to the right of "establishment" Republicans, because I'm more nationalistic than they are. OTOH I'm not so naive as Libertarians, who believe that "If we only had real capitalism things would all work out" because capitalism always, ultimately devolves to monopolism/fascism.
I used to think that the Federal government should step in and solve all of our problems. And while I think that there are some problems ONLY a centralized government can solve, I see now that centralized government is like the One Ring, and they way it currently operates it brings ore and more people in thrall to banks and big corporations, and robs people of agency.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
#WEARAMASK
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Also, just to bring this back around to Trump, Democrats, and Republicans ...
I voted for Bill Clinton for his first term, but when I saw what he did to banking, communications, commodity exchanges, etc etc. I voted third party. I voted for Gore, and then third party instead of Kerry. Voted for Obama, but when I saw what a fucking snake-in-the-grass he was, voted third party. When it came to Hillary v Trump, I could not stomach the thought of inking for Hillary. I know my California vote doesn't make a difference, but I voted for Trump to make a statement.
When I see all of the people who have been actively working against Trump ... twisting the FBI and the FISA court to serve their purposes, feeding him bad intel thru the CIA (BTW Gina Haspell, CIA Director is PERSONALLY refusing to declassify the Russiagate documents), enlisting the help of MI6 and Ukraine, "leaking" lies to an ever-willing M$M etc ... well, judging a person by their enemies, I think Trump is worthy of another term, if only to screw up the cabal of corrupt transnationalists.
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Also, I know I've mentioned this before, but ... you know, Marx wrote that he believed that capitalism would crush out all differences among people. That Capital would become world-straddling, and that we would all be ground down to interchangeable widgets, and that different languages, nationalities, religions, and cultures would disappear until there was only the proletariat (self-aware working class) and the capitalist, and ONLY THEN would a true socialist revolution occur. My friends (scholars of political theory, unlike me) used to refer to it as the "choo-choo train of history" because in this view the future was on a predestined course.
There are three kinds of people who advocate this kind of dystopian future: (a) the transnational elites and (b) their useful idiots (who think that there can be such a thing as a "world citizen" ... even tho there will never be such a thing as a "world vote" or a "world democracy" /snicker) and the (c) committed Trotskyist who is willing to push a camel thru a needle to get to the glorious other side, no matter how painful the cost.
In a conversation with Bytemite, lo these many years ago, the discussion presented me with a choice: either become one of those pro-globalists who willingly embraces a future where ordinary people have lost all voice in some planetary borg, or fight the inevitable and embrace (regressive) nationalism and democracy.
Just like I couldn't stomach voting for Hillary, I could not stomach the thought of being ruled by a global elite. I decided that I may be fighting inevitable forces of history, but I would rather fight for democracy than fight for something worse.
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White House can't identify mystery river where Trump claims ballots were dumped
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/kayleigh
-mcenany-white-house-press-sec-ballot-river-b743232.html?utm_source=reddit.com
That's because Trump lied, as he always does.
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Quote:What would NOT be decentralized? I know a few things that should not be given to the 50 states, unless you want the USA to disassemble itself into 50 little nations:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So if there was a function to a national government ... aside from protecting the people from foreign threats and balancing the rights of one group against another ... it would be to actively decentralize almost everything.
Medicare/Medicaid
Social Security
Income Security (What's that? Read https://budget.house.gov/focus-function-600-income-security-0 )
FAA
CDC
FEMA
Flood Insurance
Army Corp of Engineers
There is more, but you probably get the idea.
I don't think the 50 states could even do something straight forward like each creating their own decentralized version of "The Heroes Act". Some states would, but most of the former United States would do nothing. Nothing at all.
www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/6800
Signym, you might want to look at what the Federal Government spends money on before deciding to "actively decentralize almost everything" as you call it. I don't thinks most of the states will make a real effort to do any of those tasks presently done by Washington DC if the Federal government gave responsibility to the states.
www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/how-does-federal-government-spen
d-its-money
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And so, I didn't bother listening to the debate.
It's just a couple of guys trying to dazzle you with their performance, and is totally meaningless to what is actually happening.
Trump is a NATIONALIST. He represents the national elite. Biden is an INTERNATIONALIST. He would transfer all decision-making power out of the USA political system and courts, and hand it over to trade tribunals, banks, and transnational organizations.
It is far easier to fight a NATIONAL elite than it is to fight an organization in Singapore or Basel or the City of London (which BTW is not London city), or wherever, since issues would be adjudicated in USA courts. So I vote to keep things NATIONAL.
Capisce?
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Since this thread is about the debate, more or less ...
No, I didn't watch/ listen. Maybe I'll go back later and view it.
Anyway, I was curious how it resonated with the betting sites. They're far quicker feedback than polls. Every website I visited showed Trump down and Biden up. Here's an example: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/betting_odds/2020_presiden
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I think there's room for Trump to recalibrate and recoup, but he'd have to do that pretty quickly. And I can imagine him selling a reversal, but whether or not he'll try is to be seen.
In general, Trump's approach to COVID-19 I think cost him a lot of goodwill, that intangible indulgence people feel when they think someone is trying to do their best. I honestly think the Woodward revelations did a drip-drip corroding, because it became obvious that Trump wasn't being up front with anybody, and couldn't provide a reasonable consistent WELL MEANING explanation for that. He seemed to be shilling self-serving - but inconsistent - stories at every turn. Trump didn't want to panic 'people'? Give me a break. He didn't want to disrupt Wall Street. I wish he had done a better basic job on COVID-19. Then he wouldn't have had to tap-dance and look like a turkey.
As for the NYTimes tax story, except for rabid democrats who were never going to vote for Trump anyway, voters I think give it the big ho-hum, as they should. Rich people take every advantage of tax loopholes and ambiguities. And the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. What else is new?
We'll see how this turns out.
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Quote:Define your idea of "far easier to fight". Why worry about fighting the International elite, or even the National elite, when the Local elite of, say, Harris County TX (Houston) is impossible to defeat by ordinary people? In a fight, I will get what I want, but maybe the governor or president could stop me in theory, except my lawyers will persuade them to look the other way. If you are a nobody, you're more likely to get justice from the UN or the City of London than from Austin or DC.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It is far easier to fight a NATIONAL elite than it is to fight an organization in Singapore or Basel or the City of London (which BTW is not London city), or wherever, since issues would be adjudicated in USA courts. So I vote to keep things NATIONAL.
Capisce?
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Quote:Cheating on taxes by the wealthy increased immensely with Reagan and just keeps getting bigger and bigger as the Republicans cut back the enforcement budget of the IRS. If ordinary people give a "big ho-hum" to enforcing tax laws against the wealthy, ordinary people will end up being screwed more and more by the wealthy as they grab ever more power with their increasing fortunes. I know where this ends: the top one percent own 99 percent of America's wealth and have 100% control of everyone's life in the lower levels.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
As for the NYTimes tax story, except for rabid democrats who were never going to vote for Trump anyway, voters I think give it the big ho-hum, as they should. Rich people take every advantage of tax loopholes and ambiguities. And the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. What else is new?
The 1% Owns Almost As Much Wealth As The Middle Class: Will The Rich Keep Getting Richer?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2019/11/12/the-1-owns-almost-as
-much-wealth-as-the-middle-class-will-the-rich-keep-getting-richer/#59318b764323
"The top 0.1 percent ... own about the same wealth as 90 percent of America."
www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/jan/31/elizabeth-warren/warren-top-
01-own-about-much-bottom-90/
I'm thankful everyday for what Donald J Trump has done for my wealth. I won't vote for him, though, because he is a tax cheating crook. Give a Big Ho-hum about that, poor white trash who vote for Trump and I will end up someday owning your lives.
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Quote:Yeah, right.
SECONDRATE: Define your idea of "far easier to fight". Why worry about fighting the International elite, or even the National elite, when the Local elite of, say, Harris County TX (Houston) is impossible to defeat by ordinary people? In a fight, I will get what I want, but maybe the governor or president could stop me in theory, except my lawyers will persuade them to look the other way. If you are a nobody, you're more likely to get justice from the UN or the City of London than from Austin or DC.
I count you as a prime example of a virtue-signaller who never, ever wants anything to change. So, of course you'd like the chance for justice to be thoroughly out of the reach of ordinary Americans. And this is exactly what I'd expect you to say to get to that end.
Let's keep the decision-making here. WE can fix OUR problems (and you, SECONDRATE, are one of those problems) as long as justice stays in our court system.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:What would NOT be decentralized? I know a few things that should not be given to the 50 states, unless you want the USA to disassemble itself into 50 little nations:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So if there was a function to a national government ... aside from protecting the people from foreign threats and balancing the rights of one group against another ... it would be to actively decentralize almost everything.
Medicare/Medicaid
Social Security
Income Security (What's that? Read https://budget.house.gov/focus-function-600-income-security-0 )
FAA
CDC
FEMA
Flood Insurance
Army Corp of Engineers
There is more, but you probably get the idea.
I don't think the 50 states could even do something straight forward like each creating their own decentralized version of "The Heroes Act". Some states would, but most of the former United States would do nothing. Nothing at all.
www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/6800
Signym, you might want to look at what the Federal Government spends money on before deciding to "actively decentralize almost everything" as you call it. I don't thinks most of the states will make a real effort to do any of those tasks presently done by Washington DC if the Federal government gave responsibility to the states.
www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/how-does-federal-government-spen
d-its-money
Let's start with what we know a Federal government SHOULD do:
Defend the borders against invasion, and the nation against malign foreign influence.
Control the flow of people, goods, and money across the border.
Make trade policies, and establish tariffs on imports.
Create and manage CURRENCY*.
As a part of that, control banking and bank rules.
Manage Federal lands and properties.
Manage and protect coastal waters
Make Federal tax law, and simplify the tax structure to eliminate ambiguities and loopholes.
IMHO the Federal government should make incorporation rules which require companies over a certain size to be broken up.
IMHO the Federal government should also run its own bank which can lend directly to sectors which need improvement.
And what a Federal government should NOT do:
Enter in agreements - INCLUDING ALLIANCES- which remove control and decision-making from USA Federal government purview, and place it in the hands of others. Military alliances are a special problem because they may involve the USA in a war not of its own choosing. NATO, is a great example of a boondoggle which has cost the USA trillions of dollars without ever increasing our security.
Interstate matters
Now, if you look at things that states share- water, air, transportation, biological resources like migrating birds etc - you might think that a Federal government should be the entity to manage interstate matters. However, there are all kinds of multi-state agreements on water rights, pollution control etc which exist and function quite well without the Federal government, such as the Great Lakes Commission (water pollution), the Colorado River Compact (water allocation) and NESCAUM (northeastern states air pollution control) so altho a Federal structure may be HELPFUL (NPDES is very successful, Superfund not so much) a Federal presence isn't always necessary.
Medical insurance, pensions etc
Have you ever wondered WHY medical care in the USA is so expensive compared to dental care? Maybe it's because there's national medical insurance funneling $$$ to healthcare, but not dental care. One of the problems with the Federal government involving itself with things like medical payments, old-age and disability pensions, and minimum wages is that Federal government payments are always the same, even though costs might be wildly different across the nation. So a payment, pension, or wage might be adequate in Alabama but insufficient in California. Or sufficient in NY but excessive in Utah.
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Quote:"Let's keep the decision-making here." You have no idea that the people making the daily decisions are not on any ballot. The decisions that really control your life are made by people like me, who you can see on the street or knock on their office door. You work for them. You buy from them. It is NOT the state government or federal government who controls your life. And people like me and my lawyers are grabbing all the wealth away from you. I've noticed that the poor and the middle class can't or won't act against their local strongmen. Instead they complain that DC is at fault for their hardships. If the middle class keeps acting stupidly and refuses to understand that their local strongmen, their local businesses, their landlords, and their bosses are cheating them, they will lose everything to people like me. Obviously the Federal government could rein in the power of your local strongmen, but that is why the strongmen have purchased control of the Republicans in Congress/Courts/White House, in order to sabotage the Federal government. Or as the Republican Party likes to say: keep taxes and regulations low. What is NOT said is keep lowest for the wealthiest.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Yeah, right.
SECONDRATE: Define your idea of "far easier to fight". Why worry about fighting the International elite, or even the National elite, when the Local elite of, say, Harris County TX (Houston) is impossible to defeat by ordinary people? In a fight, I will get what I want, but maybe the governor or president could stop me in theory, except my lawyers will persuade them to look the other way. If you are a nobody, you're more likely to get justice from the UN or the City of London than from Austin or DC.
I count you as a prime example of a virtue-signaller who never, ever wants anything to change. So, of course you'd like the chance for justice to be thoroughly out of the reach of ordinary Americans. And this is exactly what I'd expect you to say to get to that end.
Let's keep the decision-making here. WE can fix OUR problems (and you, SECONDRATE, are one of those problems) as long as justice stays in our court system.
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Quote:oH, SO YOU AGREE THAT THERE'S AN UNELECTED DEEP STATE?
SECONDRATE: Define your idea of "far easier to fight". Why worry about fighting the International elite, or even the National elite, when the Local elite of, say, Harris County TX (Houston) is impossible to defeat by ordinary people? In a fight, I will get what I want, but maybe the governor or president could stop me in theory, except my lawyers will persuade them to look the other way. If you are a nobody, you're more likely to get justice from the UN or the City of London than from Austin or DC.
SECONDRATE: Yeah, right.
I count you as a prime example of a virtue-signaller who never, ever wants anything to change. So, of course you'd like the chance for justice to be thoroughly out of the reach of ordinary Americans. And this is exactly what I'd expect you to say to get to that end.
Let's keep the decision-making here. WE can fix OUR problems (and you, SECONDRATE, are one of those problems) as long as justice stays in our court system.
SECONDRATE: "Let's keep the decision-making here." You have no idea that the people making the daily decisions are not on any ballot. The decisions that really control your life are made by people like me,
Quote:I UNDERSTAND THIS PEFECTLY WELL. AMERICA IS AN OLIGARCHY BUT THE GOVERNMENT DOES THINGS FOR BUSINESS THAT TRANSNATIONALS AND AMERICAN CORPORATIONS CAN'T DO FOR THEMSELVES: MAKE AND ENFORCE LAWS - MANY OF WHICH ARE HEAVILY SLANTED IN FAVOR OF BUSINESSES OVER INDIVIDUALS.
who you can see on the street or knock on their office door. You work for them. You buy from them. It is NOT the state government or federal government who controls your life. And people like me and my lawyers are grabbing all the wealth away from you. I've noticed that the poor and the middle class can't or won't act against their local strongmen. Instead they complain that DC is at fault for their hardships. If the middle class keeps acting stupidly and refuses to understand that their local strongmen, their local businesses, their landlords, and their bosses are cheating them, they will lose everything to people like me. Obviously the Federal government could rein in the power of your local strongmen, but that is why the strongmen have purchased control of the Republicans in Congress/Courts/White House, in order to sabotage the Federal government. Or as the Republican Party likes to say: keep taxes and regulations low. What is NOT said is keep lowest for the wealthiest.
AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M DISCUSSING HERE: WHO LEGALLY CONTROLS THE LAW-MAKING APPARATUS? IS IT CITIZENS, OR FOREIGNERS?
ONCE THE LEGAL AUTHORITY PASSES FROM CITIZENS TO FOREIGN ENTITIES, THERE IS NO HOPE FOR AMERICANS.
YOU SEE WHAT FOREIGN CONTROL LOOKS LIKE BY LOOKING AT COUNTRIES CONTROLLED BY THE IMF OR BY THE EU: CENTRALIZED. NON-DEMOCRATIC, UNREACHABLE TECHNOCRATS DECIDING TO EXTRACT YET MORE WEALTH FROM ALREADY POOR PEOPLE.
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Quote:Either citizens or foreigners control? Wrong, Signym. Neither control. It is guys like me, the Top 1% that control the laws and it has always been that way. Once upon a time it was King George III that controlled. Then the strongmen, George Washington and the other Founding Fathers, the Top 1% of the 18th Century, that controlled. This keeps happening every election because the other 99% have no backbones and no commonsense about who is running the country. It wasn't obvious to me until I got a little power about who is actually in charge. I know, in an idealized America, that the Federal Government could actually be in charge, but it is NOT because the wealthy have purchased a majority of the judiciary and Congress and definitely the White House. The wealthiest 1% own a majority of the shares in the Federal Government.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M DISCUSSING HERE: WHO LEGALLY CONTROLS THE LAW-MAKING APPARATUS? IS IT CITIZENS, OR FOREIGNERS?
ONCE THE LEGAL AUTHORITY PASSES FROM CITIZENS TO FOREIGN ENTITIES, THERE IS NO HOPE FOR AMERICANS.
YOU SEE WHAT FOREIGN CONTROL LOOKS LIKE BY LOOKING AT COUNTRIES CONTROLLED BY THE IMF OR BY THE EU: CENTRALIZED. NON-DEMOCRATIC, UNREACHABLE TECHNOCRATS DECIDING TO EXTRACT YET MORE WEALTH FROM ALREADY POOR PEOPLE.
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Like I posted SECONDRATE, YOU'RE the problem.
I know that, so stop telling me someting I already know.
But you live here, and your business is subject to American laws, so IF citizens stop wrangling with each other over divisive issues (democrat/republican, male/female, white/nonwhite ... issues btw that TPTB like you just love to stir up) and actually get their shit together, there is a legal way to reduce your influence.
Much as you like to think that you're "all that", you're not the biggest problem. Banks and transnationals are.
Brexit is an example of people finally gettting their shit together and bugging out of a foreign technocracy. It doesn't mean that Britain's problems are solved. what it DOES mean is that they now have a pathway to solve them.
And curiously, their Labor Party (ahem!) is a lot like our Democratic Party: complete selllouts to foreign/transnational rule.
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Quote:Brexit promised prosperity. It has not delivered the goods because the Tories don't know how and aren't interested in learning. See Boris Johnson for an example of a blowhard who remains incompetent to delivery on his inflated promises. Or see Trump for another.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Like I posted SECONDRATE, YOU'RE the problem.
I know that, so stop telling me someting I already know.
But you live here, and your business is subject to American laws, so IF citizens stop wrangling with each other over divisive issues (democrat/republican, male/female, white/nonwhite ... issues btw that TPTB like you just love to stir up) and actually get their shit together, there is a legal way to reduce your influence.
Much as you like to think that you're "all that", you're not the biggest problem. Banks and transnationals are.
Brexit is an example of people finally getting their shit together and bugging out of a foreign technocracy. It doesn't mean that Britain's problems are solved. what it DOES mean is that they now have a pathway to solve them.
And curiously, their Labor Party (ahem!) is a lot like our Democratic Party: complete sellouts to foreign/transnational rule.
I did NOT make the American voters place a Top 1 Percenter in the White House. The equivalent move for Democrats was electing JFK. The voters are the 99% and they make their decisions every 4 years for some of the stupidest imaginable reasons. But why would the majority suddenly get smart once every 4 years? For the majority, their daily decisions are also as silly as their once every 4 years voting record. All you have to do is watch them at work, or talk to them about money, or even look into their grocery shopping carts and you will see they aren't as wise or hardworking or careful with their lives as they think they are. And the result is people like me run their lives all day at work and decide for them how much money they will have to spend. And when guys like me decide to underpay them, they go to the bankers and payday loan businesses who swindle them. You would think the majority could understand what to do and who they need to avoid, but they don't, which is sad for them and happy for the Top 1%.
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Quote:Is it all Libtards who insist upon blaming the victim, and cannot comprehend plain concepts, or is it only Black Tards who are that insipid?
Obiden started off the debate repeating his performance of 2012 against Paul Ryan, when he interrupted Ryan 85 times while Ryan was answering questions (not including the added interruptions from "moderator" Martha Radditz - who kept granting Biden more time whenever he interrupted Ryan), and Ryan never interrupted Joe once.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/mark-levin-biden-tried-using-same-stunt
s-he-used-on-paul-ryan-in-2012-trump-made-sure-it-didnt-work
So on Tuesday, during Trump's very first 2-minute of "uninterrupted" time which Obiden interrupted 3 times, and Trump never interrupted Obiden's time, and "moderator" on the Obiden/Wallace team never directed Obiden to stop interrupting Trump during the agree and negotiated "non-interruption time" - and once Trump had made it obvious that the Wallace/Obiden team would insist upon interrupting him non-stop, he gave them their own medicine.
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Quote:With every post, you demonstrate what a know-nothing you are.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Like I posted SECONDRATE, YOU'RE the problem.
I know that, so stop telling me someting I already know.
But you live here, and your business is subject to American laws, so IF citizens stop wrangling with each other over divisive issues (democrat/republican, male/female, white/nonwhite ... issues btw that TPTB like you just love to stir up) and actually get their shit together, there is a legal way to reduce your influence.
Much as you like to think that you're "all that", you're not the biggest problem. Banks and transnationals are.
Brexit is an example of people finally getting their shit together and bugging out of a foreign technocracy. It doesn't mean that Britain's problems are solved. what it DOES mean is that they now have a pathway to solve them.
And curiously, their Labor Party (ahem!) is a lot like our Democratic Party: complete sellouts to foreign/transnational rule.
SECONDRATE: Brexit promised prosperity. It has not delivered the goods because the Tories don't know how and aren't interested in learning.
(a) Brexit is still being negotiated. Don't you think that it should be implemented for ...oh, say at least ten years BEFORE you judge whether it's a success or a failure?
(b) The economy of Britain is being rocked by Covid-19. Like I've posted many times before, Covid-19 is a shit sandwich no matter which side you bite: either you tank the economy, or people die.
(c) Even WHEN Brexit is negotiated and fully implemented, it is not a promise of prosperity. All Brexit does is re-home the decision-making process. The people of Britain must take the next steps and keep on pushing for true prosperity, and that means - among other things - taking on the City of London (which btw is NOT the London metropolis, it is approximately one square mile of a special zone where all the banks are located).
Jeez, you're such a loser.
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Quote:Is it all Libtards who insist upon blaming the victim, and cannot comprehend plain concepts, or is it only Black Tards who are that insipid?
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted:
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Obiden started off the debate repeating his performance of 2012 against Paul Ryan, when he interrupted Ryan 85 times while Ryan was answering questions (not including the added interruptions from "moderator" Martha Radditz - who kept granting Biden more time whenever he interrupted Ryan), and Ryan never interrupted Joe once.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/mark-levin-biden-tried-using-same-stunt
s-he-used-on-paul-ryan-in-2012-trump-made-sure-it-didnt-work
So on Tuesday, during Trump's very first 2-minute of "uninterrupted" time which Obiden interrupted 3 times, and Trump never interrupted Obiden's time, and "moderator" on the Obiden/Wallace team never directed Obiden to stop interrupting Trump during the agree and negotiated "non-interruption time" - and once Trump had made it obvious that the Wallace/Obiden team would insist upon interrupting him non-stop, he gave them their own medicine.
No, he just made a fool of himself, and the polls show it.
Six in ten voters said Biden won the debate Tuesday, while just 28% said Trump did, a CNN poll of debate watchers conducted by SSRS found.
An even larger majority (65%) said Biden was “more truthful” in his answers than Trump was (29%), according to the CNN survey.
63% of voters said Biden had a better plan for solving the country’s problems than Trump (30%).
Biden was also victorious in a CBS News/YouGov poll taken after the debate, with 48% of voters saying that Biden won, while 41% said the same about Trump (10% said the debate was a tie).
Voters in the CBS News/YouGov survey, however, were down about the tone of the debate, with 83% of viewers saying it was “negative,” while just 17% said it was positive.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2020/09/30/todays-2020-elect
ion-polls-biden-won-the-debate-surveys-show/#167d75176b50
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Nah. Unless Biden fell off the stage or his eyeball exploded, the Legacy Media was going to call that a Biden win.
Trump won.
Nothing happened for 90 minutes except for Biden admitting he doesn't support the Green New Deal, and the Bernie Bros lost their mind this week over it.
Everything else about that debate was a complete waste of time, and didn't effect any voters that weren't already entrenched on either side.
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Quote:Two years ago I was listening to the radio in Texas to Tory Jacob Rees-Mogg, Leader of the House of Commons and Lord President of the Council, who wanted hard Brexit and he wanted it now, not stretched out over ten years.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
With every post, you demonstrate what a know-nothing you are.
(a) Brexit is still being negotiated. Don't you think that it should be implemented for ...oh, say at least ten years BEFORE you judge whether it's a success or a failure?
(b) The economy of Britain is being rocked by Covid-19. Like I've posted many times before, Covid-19 is a shit sandwich no matter which side you bite: either you tank the economy, or people die.
(c) Even WHEN Brexit is negotiated and fully implemented, it is not a promise of prosperity. All Brexit does is re-home the decision-making process. The people of Britain must take the next steps and keep on pushing for true prosperity, and that means - among other things - taking on the City of London (which btw is NOT the London metropolis, it is approximately one square mile of a special zone where all the banks are located).
Jeez, you're such a loser.
www.politico.eu/article/brexit-8-tory-tribes-conservative-party/
It will NOT be the British people who will rule over Britain. It will be this extremely wealthy asshole, UK's very definition of a politically connected strongman.
Being elected fulfilled his ambition to represent the Somerset parliamentary seat in which his family has lived for generations.
Jacob was educated at Eton before reading History at Trinity College Oxford, he then moved into finance being based in Hong Kong and later moving back to London. He set up his own company in 2007 with a group of Partners; it is called Somerset Capital Management and specialises in investment management in global emerging markets for institutional clients.
www.jacobreesmogg.com/about
He has amassed a fortune: his estimated net worth in 2016 was from £55 million to £150 million.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Rees-Mogg
Great going, Signym. With Brexit, the peerage will once again lord over the plebeians. Instead of the top 1% running things, as in the US, it will be the top 0.01% in the UK. Thank goodness for Brexit.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:But Reese Mogg can be voted out by the British, unlike (say) Christine Lagarde, who now heads the ECB, Ursula von der Leyen who is the President of the European Commission, and Kristalina Georgieva who heads the IMF. Between the three of them (the positions form what is called The Troika) they decide the economic, immigration, agricultural, financial, development, and military policies of the member EU states, and there's not much the EU states can do about it. So some nations, like Greece, Spain, and Portugal were put on the rack economically and their citizens suffer... but there's nothing they can do about it. And Hungary, Austria, Italy, Poland and other "frontline" states can squawk about floods of MENA immigrants crossing their borders but - legally- there's nothing they can do about that either.
Originally posted by second:Quote:Two years ago I was listening to the radio in Texas to Tory Jacob Rees-Mogg, Leader of the House of Commons and Lord President of the Council, who wanted hard Brexit and he wanted it now, not stretched out over ten years.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
With every post, you demonstrate what a know-nothing you are.
(a) Brexit is still being negotiated. Don't you think that it should be implemented for ...oh, say at least ten years BEFORE you judge whether it's a success or a failure?
(b) The economy of Britain is being rocked by Covid-19. Like I've posted many times before, Covid-19 is a shit sandwich no matter which side you bite: either you tank the economy, or people die.
(c) Even WHEN Brexit is negotiated and fully implemented, it is not a promise of prosperity. All Brexit does is re-home the decision-making process. The people of Britain must take the next steps and keep on pushing for true prosperity, and that means - among other things - taking on the City of London (which btw is NOT the London metropolis, it is approximately one square mile of a special zone where all the banks are located).
Jeez, you're such a loser.
www.politico.eu/article/brexit-8-tory-tribes-conservative-party/
It will NOT be the British people who will rule over Britain. It will be this extremely wealthy asshole, UK's very definition of a politically connected strongman.
Being elected fulfilled his ambition to represent the Somerset parliamentary seat in which his family has lived for generations.
Jacob was educated at Eton before reading History at Trinity College Oxford, he then moved into finance being based in Hong Kong and later moving back to London. He set up his own company in 2007 with a group of Partners; it is called Somerset Capital Management and specialises in investment management in global emerging markets for institutional clients.
www.jacobreesmogg.com/about
He has amassed a fortune: his estimated net worth in 2016 was from £55 million to £150 million.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Rees-Mogg
Great going, Signym. With Brexit, the peerage will once again lord over the plebeians. Instead of the top 1% running things, as in the US, it will be the top 0.01% in the UK. Thank goodness for Brexit.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
There's not much democracy in the EU bureaucracy. The Parliament, for example, can't even propose laws, all they can do is respond to laws proposed by the European Commission, and all of THOSE members are unelected.
Yanno SECONDRATE, if you paid attention to something other than your permanent grotch, you might know something.
But you don't, and ...you don't.
So since you're a know-nothing douchebag who isn't even a source of information, and I've schooled you and exposed your ignorance enough already, you're going back on "ignore".
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But Reese Mogg can be voted out by the British, unlike (say) Christine Lagarde, who now heads the ECB, Ursula von der Leyen . . .
Signym, Brexit does not transfer power back to the Brit plebeians. It gives Jacob Rees-Mogg, who strongly supported Brexit, more power than he already had.
Parliament is a hobby for Tory Jacob Rees-Mogg, Leader of the House of Commons and Lord President of the Council. Whether he is in or out of Parliament, he is still fabulously rich, he made his money in the City of London from banking, and he will still own people, able to control their tiny lives. The Brit plebeians don't have any control of His Lordship. Jacob Rees-Mogg is a British strongman in the top 0.01% who does as he pleases and the little Brits and even Boris Johnson bow down to him and obey.
In contrast to super-rich and powerful Rees-Mogg, there is Senator John Cornyn from Texas. Nobody has ever obeyed Cornyn. He is a puppet for strongmen with money. If Jacob Rees-Mogg was an American, he would be pulling Cornyn's strings, making him dance to a tune about how the rich get richer.
Why is Senator John Cornyn a puppet? John Cornyn has an estimated net worth of zero. His liabilities roughly equal to his assets.
https://247wallst.com/special-report/2019/09/11/heres-how-rich-every-u
s-senator-is/10/
Senator John Cornyn is a big nothing, the opposite of an American strongman or Jacob Rees-Mogg. The other Texas Senator and one time Presidential candidate, Ted Cruz, has an estimated net worth of $200,000. Ted is a marionette for the top 1%. If Ted were President, he would be dancing for Trump. Oh, I forgot, he is dancing for Trump.
https://247wallst.com/special-report/2019/09/11/heres-how-rich-every-u
s-senator-is/10/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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