Any Tolkien linguists out there?

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MONTANAGIRL

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 4:31 AM

So I was watching all the extras on my special edition Return, and everyone in the whole thing was pronouncing mumakil with a short u (like "strum"). From what I could tell from my pronunciation guides, u is always long (like "June"). So it should be "moom-a-kil" right? Before I get into an extended argument with my tv set like I did watching Two Towers over how completely they screwed up Faramir's character, I want to make sure I haven't been wrong all this time. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you

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CHRONICTHEHEDGEHOG

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 1:40 PM

I found that strange too, pretty sure it should be moo-ma-kil.

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EGGBERT315

Saturday, January 1, 2005 10:35 PM

Agreed: moo-ma-kil

Here's another thing that bothered me, the pronunciation of "Shelob". The pronunciation guides indicated that the letter "e" is always short as in "bell", not long as in "peel". And everyone in the film and extras goes around calling the spider SHEELOB instead of SHELLOB.

If it was to be pronounces SHEELOB it would have been spelt "Shilob".

So am I right?

MONTANAGIRL

Sunday, January 2, 2005 12:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by eggbert315:
Here's another thing that bothered me, the pronunciation of "Shelob". The pronunciation guides indicated that the letter "e" is always short as in "bell", not long as in "peel". And everyone in the film and extras goes around calling the spider SHEELOB instead of SHELLOB.

If it was to be pronounces SHEELOB it would have been spelt "Shilob".

So am I right?

Exactly! That was bothering me too. You'd think with as many Tolkein people they had working on the movie, someone would have pointed those things out to them. (Although I still LOVE the movies.) Thank you for backing me up.

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DIETCOKE

Sunday, January 9, 2005 11:35 PM

Yes, I like Faramir so much more in the book. Have you seen the extended versions of Two Towers and Return of the King? Much more Faramir. Sorry, can't help you on the pronunciations...

MONTANAGIRL

Monday, January 10, 2005 2:43 AM

Of course I've seen the extended editions! I actually own three versions of each movie: VHS (because Mom and Dad don't have a DVD player and I have to have a version to take home), theatrical DVD, and extended DVD. Yes the extended editions have more Faramir, but still not enough, and still not the Faramir from the book, although they got a lot closer in Return.

By the way, I sent you a message instead of replying on the other thread. I don't know if you got it. Yes, I'm still in Montana. I'm originally from central Montana and went to school at MSU, then ended up staying in Bozeman. I don't know if we've ever run into each other, because probably the only time I would have met Glasgow people would have been at a Speech and Drama meet in high school.

(And even after today, I am sticking by my signature )

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DIETCOKE

Monday, January 10, 2005 2:54 AM

I did get your e-mail, thanks! I guess you didn't get my reply. Anyway, I was in Speech & Drama too and traveled all over MT. I placed 3rd at state in Humorous Solo in '76. Way before your time, I'm sure!

Anyway, I worked as a Virginia City Player for many summers and went to Bozeman all the time.
By the way, a fellow V.C. Player was staring on Broadway in "Dracula" as Dracula. Tom Hewitt. He does a lot of Broadway stuff.

There's a lot of Montana actors in NYC that work a lot. They're called the Montana Mafia.

MONTANAGIRL

Monday, January 10, 2005 3:33 AM

I didn't get your reply, so I'm glad I talked to you here. Yeah, '76 is a bit before my time (in school anyway). I did humorous duo myself. I always went to State, but never made Finals.

I've only been down to see the Virginia City players a few times, but it's a darn good show. Did they do the shorts at the end when you were there? That's the best part.

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Originally posted by dietcoke:
There's a lot of Montana actors in NYC that work a lot. They're called the Montana Mafia.

My mom is involved locally with Sheakespeare in the Parks, and we host two of the actors every year when they come to Utica. They've mentioned the Montana Mafia before. It sounds like the people who are either from Montana or worked here are all known to each other. The guys I know best are out of Chicago and there's a Montana Mafia there too.

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DIETCOKE

Monday, January 10, 2005 3:51 AM

Good, I'm glad I ran into you here. I'm a big LOTR fan. Never read the book until after the movies!

Yes, every Montana actor know other Montana actors. Another former VCP here in NYC who was in Lion King is Bill Bowers. He is from Missoula. (I went a few years at U of M but got my degree in theater at Boston University.)

I'm glad to hear that you enjoyed the show. And yes, VCP's always had the varied, vigorous, vagary, of vivacious, variety acts! The Olio show following the drama. I haven't been back in years.

Many of the folks that worked at VC also did Shakespeare in the Parks. They are great. Some of the best Shakespeare I've seen was in Montana and I see Joe Papp's Shakespeare in the Parks in NYC all the time!

Another old friend of mine, Andy Taylor is now touring in The Producers as the second lead! He and I worked together back in '77 at the Big Fork Playhouse.

I love see these folks get work. Nice people in Montana!

I think there is a couple of other Montana people on the board. I met a guy from Billings but I can't remember his alias. We should start a MT thread just to see how many are out there!

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DIETCOKE

Monday, January 10, 2005 3:52 AM

Good, I'm glad I ran into you here. I'm a big LOTR fan. Never read the book until after the movies!

Yes, every Montana actor know other Montana actors. Another former VCP here in NYC who was in Lion King is Bill Bowers. He is from Missoula. (I went a few years at U of M but got my degree in theater at Boston University.)

I'm glad to hear that you enjoyed the show. And yes, VCP's always had the varied, vigorous, vagary, of vivacious, variety acts! The Olio show following the drama. I haven't been back in years.

Many of the folks that worked at VC also did Shakespeare in the Parks. They are great. Some of the best Shakespeare I've seen was in Montana and I see Joe Papp's Shakespeare in the Parks in NYC all the time!

Another old friend of mine, Andy Taylor is now touring in The Producers as the second lead! He and I worked together back in '77 at the Big Fork Playhouse. I love to see these folks get work. Nice people in Montana!

I think there is a couple of other Montana people on the board. I met a guy from Billings but I can't remember his alias. We should start a MT thread, just to see how many are out there!

See you!

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