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Quote:There you go again with the insinuation that Obama could change the minimum wage without Congress. The GOP Senators stood in his way, making sure it did not go up. If Biden becomes President, the GOP Senators will still be there stopping the minimum wage from being raised to $15 per hour.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:You tell me - who was president in 2009? 2010? 2011? 2012? 2013? 2014? 2015? 2016?
Stop yourself for just a second, 1kiki. Please go look intensely at just the minimum wage. Come up with your own theory of why it has been stuck at one number since July 24, 2009.
MEANWHILE - why did the wages decline during Obama's presidency?
https://www.epi.org/nominal-wage-tracker/
As for www.epi.org/nominal-wage-tracker/ -- You know wages are set by people like me. If we want to pay only $20 per hour on average, which is well above minimum, we can keep it at $20 for decades with inflation actually slowly eroding what $20 is worth. It's like a stealthy pay decrease. The Federal Reserve knows what the top 1 Percenters are doing and as long as there are 34 or more GOP Senators, we cannot be stopped:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=uOsx
https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2018/02/are-wages-increasing-or-decrea
sing/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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There were two whole years when democrats had control of Congress and the WH. That would have been an opportune time for them to show how much they cared about the average American worker.
But Obama showed who he REALLY cared about pleasing when his administration prosecuted no one significant for the meltdown, and then shoveled money as fast as possible to financialism while leaving average Americans to twist in the wind.
He couldn't even put his MOUTH behind the pretense of caring ... let alone reform an economy that's been crushing working Americans for decades.
That's the difference between democrats and Trump - and even Trump and republicans. Trump says the economic emperor has no clothes.
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Quote:1kiki. you are kidding. President Obama had a majority that was only filibuster proof for a period of 72 working days while the Senate was actually in session. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_United_States_Congress
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
But Obama showed who he REALLY cared about pleasing when his administration prosecuted no one significant for the meltdown, and then shoveled money as fast as possible to financialism while leaving average Americans to twist in the wind.
He couldn't even put his MOUTH behind the pretense of caring ... let alone reform an economy that's been crushing working Americans for decades.
That's the difference between democrats and Trump - and even Trump and republicans. Trump says the economic emperor has no clothes.
It was less than "72 days". One of Obama's so-called 60 members of his filibuster proof Senators was Joe Lieberman, who actually quit the Democrats and had been elected by the "CT for Lieberman" party because Joe had lost in the Democratic primary. Lieberman famously screwed over the Democrats during the drafting of Obamacare.
Another of Obama's so-called 60 Democratic Senators was Senator Arlen Specter, who switched from the Republican Party to the Democratic Party on April 28, 2009. Specter was still a Republican in everything but name.
How did Obama lose his 60 nominally Democratic Senators, which he must have to get around the stonewall of the GOP? The April 2009 party switch of Pennsylvania senator Arlen Specter from Republican to Democrat and the July 2009 resolution of the Minnesota election in favor of Democrat Al Franken increased the Democratic majority to 60–40. Republicans gained a seat in a January 2010 special election in Massachusetts, making the balance 59-41 before the start of the next election cycle. AT THAT POINT, UNTIL THE END OF OBAMA'S PRESIDENCY, IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO PASS ANY LAW THE GOP OBJECTED TO.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_United_States_Senate_elections
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:There you go again with the insinuation that Obama could change the minimum wage without Congress. The GOP Senators stood in his way, making sure it did not go up. If Biden becomes President, the GOP Senators will still be there stopping the minimum wage from being raised to $15 per hour.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:You tell me - who was president in 2009? 2010? 2011? 2012? 2013? 2014? 2015? 2016?
Stop yourself for just a second, 1kiki. Please go look intensely at just the minimum wage. Come up with your own theory of why it has been stuck at one number since July 24, 2009.
MEANWHILE - why did the wages decline during Obama's presidency?
https://www.epi.org/nominal-wage-tracker/
As for www.epi.org/nominal-wage-tracker/ -- You know wages are set by people like me. If we want to pay only $20 per hour on average, which is well above minimum, we can keep it at $20 for decades with inflation actually slowly eroding what $20 is worth. It's like a stealthy pay decrease. The Federal Reserve knows what the top 1 Percenters are doing and as long as there are 34 or more GOP Senators, we cannot be stopped:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=uOsx
https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2018/02/are-wages-increasing-or-decrea
sing/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Exactly as I said on the last post of the previous page that people may have missed:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:You tell me - who was president in 2009? 2010? 2011? 2012? 2013? 2014? 2015? 2016?
Stop yourself for just a second, 1kiki. Please go look intensely at just the minimum wage. Come up with your own theory of why it has been stuck at one number since July 24, 2009.
MEANWHILE - why did the wages decline during Obama's presidency?
https://www.epi.org/nominal-wage-tracker/
Queue Second bitching about Republicans in Congress.
Because he uses the same cop out every time he's asked about this.
And honestly, if he gives a single shit about this issue (which he doesn't) it makes me wonder why he even cares about Biden being elected since it's not going to change the minimum wage at all and in the alternate timeline where Biden wins the minimum wage isn't going to change in any meaningful way anyhow and he'd just use the same excuse for the next 4 to 8 years.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Second did not disappoint.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:I figured out what is wrong with 6ix, 1kiki, and Signym. You three are the political science equivalent of a Flat Earther. Here is a real physicist talking seriously about the Flat Earth "Science" -- Wrong, but not Stupid. You should listen to it and learn how smart people can be very wrong yet it is impossible to change their minds with words:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Second did not disappoint.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
"The world looks flat, the bottoms of clouds are flat, the movement of the Sun; these are all examples of your senses telling you that we do not live on a spherical heliocentric world. This is using what's called an empirical approach, or an approach that relies on information from your senses." - www.tfes.org
You will love the section called "Astronomy is a Pseudoscience". All those telescopes in the world or in orbit? That is NOT science according to the Flat Earth Society.
https://wiki.tfes.org/Astronomy_is_a_Pseudoscience
"Astronomy does not, and can not, follow the Scientific Method; which is an empirical method of inquiry which demands that hypothesis is tested with experiment. The astronomer cannot put the stars under controlled experimental conditions to demonstrate ideas and come to the truth of a matter, as a chemist can do with his or her materials. The astronomer can only observe and interpret—a scientific fallacy which hinders truth and progress."
"No man knows the ultimate shape of the earth, but that portion we live on is definitely flat. No one will ever know what the whole complexity is like, I suppose, because it goes beyond his sphere of observation, investigation and comprehension." – Samuel Shenton
"I don't think there is solid proof the earth is round. I'm not intentionally being stubborn about it, but I feel our senses tell us these things, and it would take an extraordinary level of evidence to counteract those. How many people have actually investigated it? Have you?" – Daniel Shenton
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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^ This entire post is based off of an erroneous belief that Second's opinion is universally accepted and scientifically backed.
Not only are neither of those things true, but both of them could be said about his own opinions.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others. 
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Quote:33% of Americans are Republicans. 33% of Americans are unsure the world is round.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
^ This entire post is based off of an erroneous belief that Second's opinion is universally accepted and scientifically backed.
Not only are neither of those things true, but both of them could be said about his own opinions.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2018/04/04/only-two-thirds-of-american
-millennials-believe-the-earth-is-round/
YouGov polled 8,215 US adults on February 8th, 2018 to get a representative idea of America's views on the shape of the Earth. What they found would make any scientist shake their heads, a surprising percentage of responders weren't convinced the Earth is round.
Why so many people believe the Earth is flat and NASA is in on the 'conspiracy'
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/many-people-believe-earth-flat-2
1592454
As part of an ongoing attempt to prove that the Earth is flat, he shot off into the sky on a steam-powered homemade rocket aiming to reach 5,000ft, the very edge of space, before returning to the Earth with some kind of evidence that had apparently eluded scientists thus far. Unfortunately, Mr Morris did in fact return to Earth but, as his parachute had failed to deploy correctly, he was killed. Before his death, Mr Morris said, “I just want people to question everything. Question what your congressman is doing, your city council. Question what really happened during the Civil War. What happened during 9/11.”
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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I am certain that the GOP will oppose in the Senate the following:
How to decarbonize America — and create 25 million jobs
The US has the technology to decarbonize by 2035. Here’s a plan to do it.
The point is that America has enough renewable resources such that we could probably keep exactly the same lifestyles, and if we do it all electrically, we can do it at half the energy. And we can produce all of that energy cleanly, domestically in America.
Today, if you’re paying about 10 cents per kilowatt-hour for electricity and putting it into an electric car, that’s about two or three cents per mile. If you’re paying two or three dollars a gallon for gasoline into an equivalent-sized car, you’re paying more like 15 cents a mile for the fuel. So you’re saving more than 10 cents for every mile you’re driving with an electric vehicle.
We do need to focus very clearly on keeping the cost of the electricity low. If we look around, there is proof that that can be done. Australia has very successfully run policies and utility regulation that has enabled rooftop solar in Australia to cost about six or seven cents per kilowatt-hour, cheaper than basically any utility in America can deliver. So there is a future where the cheapest energy that you can use will be the solar. (I’m paying 8.0 cents per kilowatt-hour for 100% renewable from Green Energy Exchange https://getgex.com )
More at www.vox.com/podcasts/2020/8/27/21403184/saul-griffith-ezra-klein-show-
solve-climate-change-green-new-deal-rewiring-america
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:33% of Americans are Republicans. 33% of Americans are unsure the world is round.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
^ This entire post is based off of an erroneous belief that Second's opinion is universally accepted and scientifically backed.
Not only are neither of those things true, but both of them could be said about his own opinions.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2018/04/04/only-two-thirds-of-american
-millennials-believe-the-earth-is-round/
YouGov polled 8,215 US adults on February 8th, 2018 to get a representative idea of America's views on the shape of the Earth. What they found would make any scientist shake their heads, a surprising percentage of responders weren't convinced the Earth is round.
Why so many people believe the Earth is flat and NASA is in on the 'conspiracy'
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/many-people-believe-earth-flat-2
1592454
As part of an ongoing attempt to prove that the Earth is flat, he shot off into the sky on a steam-powered homemade rocket aiming to reach 5,000ft, the very edge of space, before returning to the Earth with some kind of evidence that had apparently eluded scientists thus far. Unfortunately, Mr Morris did in fact return to Earth but, as his parachute had failed to deploy correctly, he was killed. Before his death, Mr Morris said, “I just want people to question everything. Question what your congressman is doing, your city council. Question what really happened during the Civil War. What happened during 9/11.”
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
^ False Dichotomy
https://wiki.c2.com/?FalseDichotomy
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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