Hydroxychloriquine, The Cure For Wuhan Coronavirus (Fauci Flu)
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UPDATED: Tuesday, December 31, 2024 14:31
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They constantly print misinformation.
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Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.
If not the media. What other reputable sources of news are there?
10 Journalism Brands Where You Find Real Facts Rather Than Alternative Facts
https://www.forbes.com/sites/berlinschoolofcreativeleadership/2017/02/
01/10-journalism-brands-where-you-will-find-real-facts-rather-than-alternative-facts/#1994f207e9b5
1. The New York Times
2. The Wall Street Journal
3. The Washington Post
4. BBC
5. The Economist
6. The New Yorker
7. The Associated Press, Reuters, Bloomberg News
8. Foreign Affairs
9. The Atlantic
10. Politico
Runners Up:
- National Public Radio
- TIME magazine
-The Christian Science Monitor
- The Los Angeles Times (and many other regional, metropolitan daily newspapers)
- USA Today
- CNN
- NBC News
- CBS News
- ABC News
Business News Sources:
- FORBES magazine
- Bloomberg BusinessWeek magazine
- Fortune magazine
- The Financial Times newspaper
Sources of reporting and opinion from the right of the political spectrum:
- National Review
- The Weekly Standard
Sources of reporting and opinion from the left of the political spectrum:
- The New Republic
- The Nation
Paul Glader is an associate professor of journalism at The King's College in New York City, a media scholar at The Berlin School of Creative Leadership
This is only a partial list of Liberal shill Legacy Media. I know you can do better than this.
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I've made my point so there’s no need. My point, you’re a cynic Jack. A person whose outlook is scornfully and habitually negative. As I’ve recently posted It’s about your essence Jack . It is as that post states. Your essence Jack, your soul, is rotten. To sum it up in a word Jack; drunk.
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Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.
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Quote:I guess I'm a little less skeptical because I've heard of some of these positive studies thru Chris Martenson, who always cites the author, but I would have to go back and listen to many of his videos to catch all of those citations.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Signy -
I realize Hatfill's article wasn't a research paper. And maybe he was the victim of editorial space-saving and they got rid of his references as too long and too pedantic.
But I found many of his statements troubling because they lacked evidence.Quote:By whom?
When the COVID-19 pandemic began, a search was madeQuote:Isn't that the point in dispute? So how does an unsupported claim resolve it?
for suitable antiviral therapies to use as treatment until a vaccine could be produced. One drug, hydroxychloroquine, was found to be the most effective and safe for use against the virus.Quote:Did it involve HCQ as implied?
Fauci seemed to be unaware that there actually was a national pandemic plan for respiratory viruses.Quote:names? dates? numbers?
... some knowledgeable practicing U.S. physicians began prescribing hydroxychloroquine to patients still in the early phase of COVID infection. Its effects seemed dramatic.Quote:That's simply not true as HCQ definitely carries risks, even listed in the prescribing information in the US.
They reaffirmed that hydroxychloroquine was a safe drug with no serious side effects.Quote:From whom? To whom? What date? Are quotes available?
In mid-April a high-level memo was sent to the FDA alerting them to the fact that the best use for hydroxychloroquine was for its early use in still ambulatory COVID patients.Quote:Which ones? When did this happen?
... some countries had already implemented early, aggressive, outpatient community treatment with hydroxychloroquine ...
And so on.
You know, I'd be happy if HCQ was a good answer to saving a lot of people. And as you may have noticed, I've spent considerable time and effort trying to track down the reality of the current situation instead of just relying on m$m claims.
But, just like with WMDs, and Russia hacked the DNC, I'd need to see evidence. Hatfill was certainly in a position to provide some, but he provided zip, not even durable, verifiable names and dates in his historical recounting.
One thing that he brings up over and over is that the studies show that HCQ only works as either a prophylatic or VERY EARLY in the course of the disease.
SIX would be very happy to hear Chris Martenson's latest video. Martenson appears to have thrown in the towel, from declaring over and over "It doesn't have to be this way" to saying "Maybe there were always going to be a certain number of people who die" (or words to that effect. In other words: you can delay the vulnerable people dying by taking extraordinary measures, but because the "native" Rnaught is so high you can't prevent it spreading thru lockdown and you'll just kill the economy. He still does recommend masking, but lockdowns - not so much!
There's a benefit to delaying the spread of Covid-19 to the vulnerable population, and that in a few months to a year there will be better treatments and possibly a vaccine or two. And since it only takes masking up, what's the big deal? I've been masking up for months now.
The only thing is that they REALLY need to make N95s available to the vulnerable population; maybe be having a doctor Rx three or four per person per month. That way, the most vulnerable can protect themselves while everyone goes on about their business, in surgical masks.
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Perhaps (some to all) of Hatfill's mentioned studies/ clinical observations/ missives have sources. But I'll have to take your word for it, since as I've been scouring the literature I've been looking, and haven't seen a single one.
I just like to read it for myself. It gives me a much better sense of the focus and limitations of the (whatevers).
I agree with you. IMO it's FAR better to only grudgingly give ground by using cheap and easy measures, than throw in the towel by doing nothing at all. One way has a better chance of getting you to a better end - ESPECIALLY since long-term effects for even mild infections in even young people are still a huge unknown. The only reason to throw in the towel is if you're pretty certain no vaccines at will ever work even a little ...
... then just let it rip no matter what the short- or long-term consequences to the country, and let global genetics sort it out in the long LONG run.
But I have to say, both China and India with their 1B+ populations will probably take over the world in that scenario. They simply have so many more people to burn, and so many more genetic variations to exploit.
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Eh. Meanwhile, we'll just destroy the economy. Cool.
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Of COURSE we will! By wearing masks, washing hands, and not crowding together with non-household members !!
Only in you deluded shriveled brain, JACK.
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So, let me clarify: Martenson still advocates masking and handwashing, but what he's saying is that if you implement strict lockdown measures, all you're doing is delaying the "first wave". I've been wondering about that myself: all nations, whether they lockdown or "let 'er rip" -or something in-between- seem to have some inherent number of people who're going to die, it's only a question of "when".
Well, I thought the point of all of this WAS to "flatten the curve" to not overwhelm the medical system. NOT to eradicate the virus. If that was the point then California has done an excellent job of flattening the curve, because it seems to be progressing thru its "first peak" rather slowly.
But he has some interesting data from Sweden, starting at 24:17 which shows Sweden having a "first peak" of deaths and a "second peak" of cases without attendant deaths.
I wonder how much of these shape of the "cases" curve is constricted by early limitations in testing. Since Sweden has had a "let 'er rip" philosophy from the beginning, why wouldn't the "cases" curve just steadily progress upwards instead of itself showing a dip? I think I would like to see an attendant "positivity" line along with the "cases" line to help me understand how much of the cases they were actually detecting along various points of the curve. Also, when facing skyrocketing death rates, the Swedish people may have taken it upon themselves to take precautions. Also, I wonder if the "first wave" (of deaths) was from the first strain of the virus, and the "second wave" (of cases) was from the more infectious mutation. I don't know the answer to that one, but I'd sure like to know!
So his video seems to be more of a caution against further lockdowns, but relying on masking and handwashing.
I think I started recommending masking up instead of lockdowns about three weeks into the USA epidemic. It seems to intrude less on people's liberties than other measures like lockdowns or "immunity passports" or mandated vaccination or microchipping people and have a lot lower impact on the economy.
Also, he makes a point of talking (again) about the long-term heart, lung, and kidney damage that even "recovered" people experience. But this really belongs in the other thread so I'll post it there too.
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Prediction- JSF, sig, jack and kiki will continue this stupid discussion about hydroxychloroquine, and none unfortunately, will ever take it. Anybody what to take that bet?
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Quote:When the first coronavirus cases were reported in mainland China, Taiwan’s well-oiled systems quickly kicked into gear. Despite its proximity to the outbreak, Taiwan has had only seven deaths from COVID-19 so far.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, let me clarify: Martenson still advocates masking and handwashing, but what he's saying is that if you implement strict lockdown measures, all you're doing is delaying the "first wave". I've been wondering about that myself: all nations, whether they lockdown or "let 'er rip" -or something in-between- seem to have some inherent number of people who're going to die, it's only a question of "when".
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02277-6
Meanwhile, America's well-oiled systems quickly kicked into gear. Deaths? 159,000 +1,328
www.google.com/search?q=deaths+from+covid-19+in+America
Signym, there is not "some inherent number of people who're going to die" of Covid-19. There are deaths from incompetently handling Covid-19. Here is Trump exuding incompetence:
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:I am certain that all of these India Press clubs are all just fabricating stories to support Trump.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:There are in fact a number of very different maximum dosages DEPENDING ON USE.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I've noticed a lack of clarity among internet sources about dosage. Many of the Fake Trials are intentionally failing the Trial by forcing HIGH DOSES which has already been known, for many decades, to cause problems, like with the heart.
I see that the approved dosage is only for a max or 6.5mg per kg of body weight per day. For 100lbs person, this is about 290mg, or less than 150mg if taking twice per day. For 150lbs, this is about 440mg per day, or max dosage of 220mg twice per day. For 200lbs, this is about 580mg per day maximum, or 290mg twice per day.
There's the maximum dosage
Usual Adult Dose for Systemic Lupus Erythematosus
-Doses above 400 mg/day are not recommended.
Usual Adult Dose for Rheumatoid Arthritis
Maximum dose: 600 mg salt (465 mg base)/day or 6.5 mg/kg salt (5 mg/kg base)/day, whichever is lower
https://www.drugs.com/dosage/hydroxychloroquine.htmlQuote:That is a completely false statement. https://www.who.int/publications/m/item/informal-consultation-on-the-d
Successful treatment practices have indicated starting with 400mg twice on the first day, 12 hours apart, and then 200mg twice per day for 4 days. This all exceeds the approved maximum dosages as specified in the approval for use guidelines. This would certainly seem to fit the description of HIGH DOSES.
However, WHO has been trying to force Doctors to use 800mg x2 6 hours apart on the first day, followed by 400mg x2 per day for 10 days.
That certainly seems to be exceeding the maximum allowed dosage by a factor up to 11.
ose-of-chloroquine-and-hydroxychloroquine-for-the-solidarity-clinical-trial---8-april-2020 The WHO trial recommends "The Chloroquine or Hydroxychloroquine schedule selected for the trial includes two oral loading doses (250 mg per tablet CQ or 200mg per tablet HCQ), then oral twice-daily maintenance doses for ten days." For HCQ that's 400mg/day.
https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2020/may/29/icmr-writes-to-who
-disagreeing-with-hcq-assessment-officials-say-international-trial-dosage-four-ti-2149702.html
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ICMR writes to WHO disagreeing with HCQ assessment, officials say international trial dosage four times higher than India
Buoyed by the preliminary success observed in the treatment of COVID-19 patients through these HCQ tablets, the Indian Council of Medical Research (ICMR) has written to the WHO.
Published: 29th May 2020 07:50 PM | Last Updated: 29th May 2020 07:51 PM | A+A A-
hydroxychloroquine, HCQ
Currently, as per protocols set by the Indian government to treat severe coronavirus patients requiring ICU management, HCQ dosages administered amounts to 2400 mg. (File photo | AFP)
By ANI
NEW DELHI: After the Union Health Ministry expressed reservations about the World Health Organisation's (WHO) advisory to suspend hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) usage in treating COVID-19 patients, now, India's nodal government agency ICMR (Indian Council of Medical Research) overseeing the country's response to the coronavirus pandemic has also written to the WHO citing differences in dosage standards between Indian and international trials that could explain the efficacy issues of HCQ in treating COVID-19 patients.
Currently, as per protocols set by the Indian government to treat severe coronavirus patients requiring ICU management, HCQ dosages are administered in the following way- 1st day a heavy dose of 400mg HCQ dose once in the morning and one at nigNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Just a comment: If HCQ is an antiviral, it makes no sense to delay the first does until the patient is semi-comatose in the ICU on a ventilator, because by then the virus has already multiplied. At that point, HCQ's side effects on the heart may be interacting with a heart that's being damaged by micro emboli.
I will try to find some of those references if I have the time. I do recall thinking that - just like remdisivir, India (one of the reporting entities) also has a financial interest in positive results because they mfr the stuff, and if it's used as a prophylactic it would be used in mass quantities. France OTOH, another reporting entity (IIRC) doesn't have that finanicial motivation.
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