Hydroxychloriquine, The Cure For Wuhan Coronavirus (Fauci Flu)
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How can I make it as plain as possible? If anyone here believed the drug was safe they would take it. They aren't, so it isn't.
This whole thread is about trolling. Confusing the message and giving Trump cover.
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Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.
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Signy -
I realize Hatfill's article wasn't a research paper. And maybe he was the victim of editorial space-saving and they got rid of his references as too long and too pedantic.
But I found many of his statements troubling because they lacked evidence.
Quote:By whom?
When the COVID-19 pandemic began, a search was made
Quote:Isn't that the point in dispute? So how does an unsupported claim resolve it?
for suitable antiviral therapies to use as treatment until a vaccine could be produced. One drug, hydroxychloroquine, was found to be the most effective and safe for use against the virus.
Quote:Did it involve HCQ as implied?
Fauci seemed to be unaware that there actually was a national pandemic plan for respiratory viruses.
Quote:names? dates? numbers?
... some knowledgeable practicing U.S. physicians began prescribing hydroxychloroquine to patients still in the early phase of COVID infection. Its effects seemed dramatic.
Quote:That's simply not true as HCQ definitely carries risks, even listed in the prescribing information in the US.
They reaffirmed that hydroxychloroquine was a safe drug with no serious side effects.
Quote:From whom? To whom? What date? Are quotes available?
In mid-April a high-level memo was sent to the FDA alerting them to the fact that the best use for hydroxychloroquine was for its early use in still ambulatory COVID patients.
Quote:Which ones? When did this happen?
... some countries had already implemented early, aggressive, outpatient community treatment with hydroxychloroquine ...
And so on.
You know, I'd be happy if HCQ was a good answer to saving a lot of people. And as you may have noticed, I've spent considerable time and effort trying to track down the reality of the current situation instead of just relying on m$m claims.
But, just like with WMDs, and Russia hacked the DNC, I'd need to see evidence. Hatfill was certainly in a position to provide some, but he provided zip, not even durable, verifiable names and dates in his historical recounting.
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By
Margaret Sullivan
Media columnist
July 30, 2020 at 10:47 a.m. CDT
You may have heard about the viral video featuring a group of fringe doctors spouting dangerous falsehoods about hydroxychloroquine as a covid-19 wonder cure.
In fact, it’s very possible you saw the video since it was shared on social media tens of millions of times — partly thanks to President Trump who retweeted it more than once, and who described the group’s Stella Immanuel, also known for promoting wacky notions about demon sperm and alien DNA, as “very impressive” and even “spectacular.”
Given this and a few other hideous developments, it’s time to acknowledge the painfully obvious: America has waved the white flag and surrendered.
With nearly 150,000 dead from covid-19, we’ve not only lost the public-health war, we’ve lost the war for truth. Misinformation and lies have captured the castle.
And the bad guys’ most powerful weapon? Social media — in particular, Facebook.
Some new research, out just this morning from Pew, tells us in painstaking numerical form exactly what’s going on, and it’s not pretty: Americans who rely on social media as their pathway to news are more ignorant and more misinformed than those who come to news through print, a news app on their phones or network TV.
And that group is growing.
The report’s language may be formal and restrained, but the meaning is utterly clear — and while not surprising, it’s downright scary in its implications.
“Even as Americans who primarily turn to social media for political news are less aware and knowledgeable about a wide range of events and issues in the news, they are more likely than other Americans to have heard about a number of false or unproven claims.”
Media coverage of the 2016 campaign was disastrous. Now’s the last chance to get 2020 right.
Specifically, they’ve been far more exposed to the conspiracy theory that powerful people intentionally planned the pandemic. Yet this group, says Pew, is also less concerned about the impact of made-up news like this than the rest of the U.S. population.
They’re absorbing fake news, but they don’t see it as a problem. In a society that depends on an informed citizenry to make reasonably intelligent decisions about self-governance, this is the worst kind of trouble.
And the president — who knows exactly what he is doing — is making it far, far worse. His war on the nation’s traditional press is a part of the same scheme: information warfare, meant to mess with reality and sow as much confusion as possible.
Will Sommer of the Daily Beast took a deeper look this week into the beliefs of Stella Immanuel — the Houston doctor whom Trump has termed “very impressive” and “spectacular.”
“She has often claimed that gynecological problems like cysts and endometriosis are in fact caused by people having sex in their dreams with demons and witches,” Sommer wrote. “She alleges alien DNA is currently used in medical treatments, and that scientists are cooking up a vaccine to prevent people from being religious. And, despite appearing in Washington, D.C., to lobby Congress on Monday, she has said that the government is run in part not by humans but by ‘reptilians’ and other aliens.”
Immanuel said in a recent speech in Washington that the power of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment means that protective face masks aren’t necessary. None of this has a basis in fact — but try telling that to the tens of millions who have not only seen it but been urged to believe it.
The video featuring Immanuel and others eventually was taken down by Facebook. But as usual, it was far too late.
And Donald Trump Jr., who tweeted it out calling it a “must watch,” got his hand slapped by Twitter — briefly losing his right to sully the truth and jam the gears of reality.
Sure, Chris Wallace did a tough Trump interview. But it’s a fig leaf for Fox’s usual sycophancy.
A low point, certainly, in a long series of them over the past few years — all happening even as congressional Republicans tried to turn Wednesday’s appear
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Maybe if the Legacy Media didn't spend all of its time lying to everyone, people would trust the Legacy Media.
The time for fear has come and gone long ago. It is what it is now. There's nothing they can do to get that trust back.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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The mainstream media is held accountable. Reporting incorrect stories, while rare, does happen. What other reputable sources of news are there?
Twitter, I think not. Facebook, I think not. YouTube, I think not. All these others have allowed people to post the most outlandish Bizarre and weird garbage. Which, until very recently went completing unchallenged. Then there are those sites that angulate stories and change the context, distort the facts. Sites like zerohedge.
My point is that this leaves Jack with only his warped perspectives. Perspectives gathered into his essence while consuming vast amounts of alcohol. He claims he is sober now. Yet we remember his sick and twisted thinking from those days. We recognize it in his essence, in his soul to this day. I would suggest he begin his recovery by ending his constant trolling.
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Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.
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They constantly print misinformation.
The most reasonable and least conspiracy theory like reason is because they don't want to miss out on being the first to "print" so they just say a bunch of shit without having any facts first. This happens literally every single day.
Yes. Retractions are made a lot. But the retraction is hardly ever read by anybody because the story is out of the news cycle and people have moved on to the next thing. 3/4 of the shit you've got floating around in your brain is misinformation from reading headlines for articles that were later debunked.
And fuck your suggestions. I don't take advice from people I wouldn't piss on if they were burning alive.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
They constantly print misinformation.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.
If not the media. What other reputable sources of news are there?
10 Journalism Brands Where You Find Real Facts Rather Than Alternative Facts
https://www.forbes.com/sites/berlinschoolofcreativeleadership/2017/02/
01/10-journalism-brands-where-you-will-find-real-facts-rather-than-alternative-facts/#1994f207e9b5
1. The New York Times
2. The Wall Street Journal
3. The Washington Post
4. BBC
5. The Economist
6. The New Yorker
7. The Associated Press, Reuters, Bloomberg News
8. Foreign Affairs
9. The Atlantic
10. Politico
Runners Up:
- National Public Radio
- TIME magazine
-The Christian Science Monitor
- The Los Angeles Times (and many other regional, metropolitan daily newspapers)
- USA Today
- CNN
- NBC News
- CBS News
- ABC News
Business News Sources:
- FORBES magazine
- Bloomberg BusinessWeek magazine
- Fortune magazine
- The Financial Times newspaper
Sources of reporting and opinion from the right of the political spectrum:
- National Review
- The Weekly Standard
Sources of reporting and opinion from the left of the political spectrum:
- The New Republic
- The Nation
Paul Glader is an associate professor of journalism at The King's College in New York City, a media scholar at The Berlin School of Creative Leadership
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I apologize if I'm covering old ground, but I saw an interesting article to repost here
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An Effective COVID Treatment the Media Continues to Besmirch
ANALYSIS
By Steven Hatfill
August 04, 2020
On Friday, July 31, in a column ostensibly dealing with health care “misinformation,” Washington Post media critic Margaret Sullivan opened by lambasting “fringe doctors spouting dangerous falsehoods about hydroxychloroquine as a COVID-19 wonder cure.”
Actually, it was Sullivan who was spouting dangerous falsehoods about this drug, something the Washington Post and much of the rest of the media have been doing for months. On May 15, the Post offered a stark warning to any Americans who may have taken hope in a possible therapy for COVID-19. In the newspaper’s telling, there was nothing unambiguous about the science -- or the politics -- of hydroxychloroquine: “Drug promoted by Trump as coronavirus game-changer increasingly linked to deaths,” blared the headline. Written by three Post staff writers, the story asserted that the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine in treating COVID-19 is scant and that the drug is inherently unsafe. This claim is nonsense.
Biased against the use of hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 -- and the Washington Post is hardly alone -- the paper described an April 21, 2020, drug study on U.S. Veterans Affairs patients hospitalized with the illness. It found a high death rate in patients taking the drug hydroxychloroquine. But this was a flawed study with a small sample, the main flaw being that the drug was given to the sickest patients who were already dying because of their age and severe pre-existing conditions. This study was quickly debunked. It had been posted on a non-peer-reviewed medical archive that specifically warns that studies posted on its website should not be reported in the media as established information.
Yet, the Post and countless other news outlets did just the opposite, making repeated claims that hydroxychloroquine was ineffective and caused serious cardiac problems. Nowhere was there any mention of the fact that COVID-19 damages the heart during infection, sometimes causing irregular and sometimes fatal heart rhythms in patients not taking the drug.
To a media unrelentingly hostile to Donald Trump, this meant that the president could be portrayed as recklessly promoting the use of a “dangerous” drug. Ignoring the refutation of the VA study in its May 15 article, the Washington Post cited a Brazil study published on April 24 in which a COVID trial using chloroquine (a related but different drug than hydroxychloroquine) was stopped because 11 patients treated with it died. The reporters never mentioned another problem with that study: The Brazilian doctors were giving their patients lethal cumulative doses of the drug.
On and on it has gone since then, in a circle of self-reinforcing commentary. Following the news that Trump was taking the drug himself, opinion hosts on cable news channels launched continual attacks on both hydroxychloroquine and the president. “This will kill you!” Fox News Channel’s Neil Cavuto exclaimed. “The president of the United States just acknowledge that he is taking hydroxychloroquine, a drug that [was] meant really to treat malaria and lupus.”
Washington Post reporters Ariana Cha and Laurie McGinley were back again on May 22, with a new article shouting out the new supposed news: “Antimalarial drug touted by President Trump is linked to increased risk of death in coronavirus patients, study says.” The media uproar this time was based on a large study just published in the Lancet. There was just one problem. The Lancet paper was fraudulent and it was quickly retracted.
However, the damage from the biased media storm was done and it was long-lasting. Continuing patient enrollment needed for early-use clinical trials of hydroxychloroquine dried up within a week. Patients were afraid to take the drug, doctors became afraid to prescribe it, pharmacies refused to fill prescriptiNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
That graph shows that with HCQ the CFR settles to 1-3%, but without HCQ the CFR hangs around 10-16%.
So the realistic CFR expected is about 1/5 to 1/10 the Death Rate as the Fauci-Hahn Strategy.
New York and MI had banned use of HCQ, and they drove the Death Count for the whole nation, so our Deaths could be around 12,000 instead of around 120,000 (or whatever it is now).
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Originally posted by THG:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
They constantly print misinformation.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
T
Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.
If not the media. What other reputable sources of news are there?
10 Journalism Brands Where You Find Real Facts Rather Than Alternative Facts
https://www.forbes.com/sites/berlinschoolofcreativeleadership/2017/02/
01/10-journalism-brands-where-you-will-find-real-facts-rather-than-alternative-facts/#1994f207e9b5
1. The New York Times
2. The Wall Street Journal
3. The Washington Post
4. BBC
5. The Economist
6. The New Yorker
7. The Associated Press, Reuters, Bloomberg News
8. Foreign Affairs
9. The Atlantic
10. Politico
Runners Up:
- National Public Radio
- TIME magazine
-The Christian Science Monitor
- The Los Angeles Times (and many other regional, metropolitan daily newspapers)
- USA Today
- CNN
- NBC News
- CBS News
- ABC News
Business News Sources:
- FORBES magazine
- Bloomberg BusinessWeek magazine
- Fortune magazine
- The Financial Times newspaper
Sources of reporting and opinion from the right of the political spectrum:
- National Review
- The Weekly Standard
Sources of reporting and opinion from the left of the political spectrum:
- The New Republic
- The Nation
Paul Glader is an associate professor of journalism at The King's College in New York City, a media scholar at The Berlin School of Creative Leadership
This is only a partial list of Liberal shill Legacy Media. I know you can do better than this.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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