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Sunday, July 12, 2020 9:10 PM
Think pleasant thoughts second. Happiness can not prevail in negativity.
T 
Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.
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Sunday, July 12, 2020 9:11 PM
Fauci is sidelined by the White House as he steps up blunt talk on pandemic
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/fauci-is-sidelined-by-the-white-h
ouse-as-he-steps-up-blunt-talk-on-pandemic/ar-BB16CJoa?ocid=msedgntp
T
Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.
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Sunday, July 12, 2020 9:18 PM
Quote:The Supreme Court is not about happiness or pleasant thinking or negativity. The decision made it crystal clear, at least to me, that Congress botched the drafting of the law:
Originally posted by THG:
Think pleasant thoughts second. Happiness can not prevail in negativity.
T
Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.
Quote:https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/19pdf/18-9526_9okb.pdf
(b) Congress has since broken more than a few promises to the Tribe. Nevertheless, the Creek Reservation persists today. Pp. 6-28.
(1) Once a federal reservation is established, only Congress can diminish or disestablish it. Doing so requires a clear expression of congressional intent. Pp. 6-8.
(2) Oklahoma claims that Congress ended the Creek Reservation during the so-called “allotment era”—a period when Congress sought to pressure many tribes to abandon their communal lifestyles and parcel their lands into smaller lots owned by individual tribal members. Missing from the allotment-era agreement with the Creek, see 31 Stat. 862-864, however, is any statute evincing anything like the “present and total surrender of all tribal interests” in the affected lands. And this Court has already rejected the argument that allotments automatically ended reservations. Pp. 8-13.
If Congress wants Oklahoma criminal law to apply to everyone in Oklahoma, including the parts of Oklahoma in the Creek Reservation, then Congress needed to state that. But Congress failed to make it law, therefore Federal criminal law, not Oklahoma criminal law, will apply. As the Supreme Court helpfully pointed out to those idiots in Congress:
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Congress remains free to supplement its statutory directions about the lands in question at any time. Pp. 36-42.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Sunday, July 12, 2020 9:42 PM
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Originally posted by Brenda:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Except that's not what happened at all.
Ted only reads headlines. Don't believe anything Ted has to say about literally anything.
SPOILER ALERT: It was a very bad ruling on the ability to try somebody who is American Indian who murdered or raped another for murder or rape they committed in Eastern Oklahoma. It's not as if any of the 1.8 million residents in eastern Oklahoma who aren't Indian are going to have their property seized and given to natives. This isn't South Africa. Thank God.
Among those who will not be prosecuted and/or have their cases thrown out even if already found guilty in the past because of this ruling is a man who killed his girlfriends ex husband and cut off his balls, and another man who raped a 4 year old girl on the Creek reservation.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Can you link in the story Jack. I'm going to have to read this.
Yes. I'm trying to be extremely careful when giving any sources on this one though. Because, like everything else in 2020, almost nobody wants to report facts on either side and everything is opinion based.
Although it doesn't go into specific gory case detail of crimes, this is probably the most factual account I've found of the ruling overall:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/scotus-rules-much-eastern-ok
lahoma-native-reservation-180975289/
In fact. I've learned something too by trying to find as politically neutral an account on the issue that I could when posting a link to you as well. The two Native Indian men I mentioned aren't necessisarily getting away with rape of a child and murder and mutilation. They will be re-tried in Federal court rather than state court.
And even if for some reason those crimes were to be put on trial and handled by Indian reservations, I can't imagine that there would be any reason why they wouldn't be punished harshly for what they did.
The most important bits of the article, as always, being at the bottom I will quote here:
Quote:
Kevin Gover, director of the Smithsonian’s National Museum of the American Indian, acting under secretary for museum and culture, and a citizen of the Pawnee Tribe of Oklahoma, tells Smithsonian magazine that the court’s decision is a “welcome” one because it upholds the principle that Native American treaties should be honored unless Congress explicitly revokes them. Still, he preaches caution in interpreting the ruling, pointing out that it centers on jurisdiction, not land ownership.
“The headlines are wrong,” says Gover in an emailed statement. “The Court did not give eastern Oklahoma back to the Tribes. Nobody will lose their land or their home. The decision simply means that Indians in that part of the state are subject only to the criminal jurisdiction of the Tribes and the United States, as is true on Indian reservations in many other states.”
Jimcy McGirt, a member of the Seminole Nation who in a state trial was convicted of sex crimes against a child, brought the case at the center of the ruling to the Supreme Court. Because the crime occurred on tribal land, McGirt argued that he should be re-tried in a federal court.
Per the Post, both McGirt and Patrick Murphy, a member of the Creek Nation convicted of murder in 1999 and the subject of a related case called Sharp v. Murphy, will now receive new federal hearings.
Jonodev Chaudhuri, a tribal ambassador for the Creek Nation, tells Kolby KickingWoman of Indian Country Today that the ruling is a huge win for the tribe. “Many folks are in tears,” he says. “Despite a history of many broken promises, as is true with many tribal nations, the citizens feel uplifted that for once the United States is being held to its promises.”
Summarizing the ruling’s overall significance for Vox, Ian Millhiser concludes, “The primary impact of McGirt is that Oklahoma loses much of its power to enforce certain laws against membersNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Monday, July 13, 2020 1:25 AM
Quote:"The Supreme Court today kept the United States' sacred promise to the Muscogee (Creek) Nation of a protected reservation," the tribe said in a statement.
Originally posted by second:Quote:
Originally posted by THG:Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:Quote:
Originally posted by THG:Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
The Navajo seem to have Covid-19 under control now on their reserves. Last time I looked at their web page they had had 38 new cases.
In a decision being hailed as a win for tribal sovereignty, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Thursday that a large portion of eastern Oklahoma remains a reservation.
T
That is a win because the US government is well known for taking back land that was granted to the tribes by treaty.
It's been a mess Brenda. This country is supposed to be a work in progress. This is a step forward in a period that's been 3 steps backward.
T
It is NOT a “sacred promise”. There is nothing sacred. By next week, Congress could rescind the promise, assuming the Democrats in the House decide to join with Republicans in the Senate and Trump to rescind. The court's decision hinged on the question of whether the Creek reservation continued to exist after Oklahoma became a state.
"Today we are asked whether the land these treaties promised remains an Indian reservation for purposes of federal criminal law. Because Congress has not said otherwise, we hold the government to its word," Justice Neil Gorsuch wrote in the majority opinion.
More at www.npr.org/2020/07/09/889562040/supreme-court-rules-that-about-half-o
f-oklahoma-is-indian-land
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
White man speak with forked tongue. Your government is still very capable of breaking treaties as I said to Kiki basically.
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Monday, July 13, 2020 1:28 AM
Quote:Sadly, this is not a US Nunavut judicial moment. It's not as if the US government suddenly woke up and said - you know that land that we signed a treaty about, where we said it was yours forever but we took it anyway? That land really is yours.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
That is a win because the US government is well known for taking back land that was granted to the tribes by treaty.
That didn't happen.
I know that. Your government has whittled away at many a reservation down there over the years.
Still breaking treaties then remaking them to suit your use.
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Monday, July 13, 2020 1:32 AM
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Originally posted by THG:Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:Quote:
Originally posted by THG:Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
The Navajo seem to have Covid-19 under control now on their reserves. Last time I looked at their web page they had had 38 new cases.
In a decision being hailed as a win for tribal sovereignty, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Thursday that a large portion of eastern Oklahoma remains a reservation.
T
That is a win because the US government is well known for taking back land that was granted to the tribes by treaty.
It's been a mess Brenda. This country is supposed to be a work in progress. This is a step forward in a period that's been 3 steps backward.
T
In regard to relations with Native Americans don't make me laugh THG.
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Monday, July 13, 2020 1:41 AM
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Except that's not what happened at all.
Ted only reads headlines. Don't believe anything Ted has to say about literally anything.
SPOILER ALERT: It was a very bad ruling on the ability to try somebody who is American Indian who murdered or raped another for murder or rape they committed in Eastern Oklahoma. It's not as if any of the 1.8 million residents in eastern Oklahoma who aren't Indian are going to have their property seized and given to natives. This isn't South Africa. Thank God.
Among those who will not be prosecuted and/or have their cases thrown out even if already found guilty in the past because of this ruling is a man who killed his girlfriends ex husband and cut off his balls, and another man who raped a 4 year old girl on the Creek reservation.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Can you link in the story Jack. I'm going to have to read this.
Yes. I'm trying to be extremely careful when giving any sources on this one though. Because, like everything else in 2020, almost nobody wants to report facts on either side and everything is opinion based.
Although it doesn't go into specific gory case detail of crimes, this is probably the most factual account I've found of the ruling overall:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/scotus-rules-much-eastern-ok
lahoma-native-reservation-180975289/
In fact. I've learned something too by trying to find as politically neutral an account on the issue that I could when posting a link to you as well. The two Native Indian men I mentioned aren't necessisarily getting away with rape of a child and murder and mutilation. They will be re-tried in Federal court rather than state court.
And even if for some reason those crimes were to be put on trial and handled by Indian reservations, I can't imagine that there would be any reason why they wouldn't be punished harshly for what they did.
The most important bits of the article, as always, being at the bottom I will quote here:Quote:
Kevin Gover, director of the Smithsonian’s National Museum of the American Indian, acting under secretary for museum and culture, and a citizen of the Pawnee Tribe of Oklahoma, tells Smithsonian magazine that the court’s decision is a “welcome” one because it upholds the principle that Native American treaties should be honored unless Congress explicitly revokes them. Still, he preaches caution in interpreting the ruling, pointing out that it centers on jurisdiction, not land ownership.
“The headlines are wrong,” says Gover in an emailed statement. “The Court did not give eastern Oklahoma back to the Tribes. Nobody will lose their land or their home. The decision simply means that Indians in that part of the state are subject only to the criminal jurisdiction of the Tribes and the United States, as is true on Indian reservations in many other states.”
Jimcy McGirt, a member of the Seminole Nation who in a state trial was convicted of sex crimes against a child, brought the case at the center of the ruling to the Supreme Court. Because the crime occurred on tribal land, McGirt argued that he should be re-tried in a federal court.
Per the Post, both McGirt and Patrick Murphy, a member of the Creek Nation convicted of murder in 1999 and the subject of a related case called Sharp v. Murphy, will now receive new federal hearings.
Jonodev Chaudhuri, a tribal ambassador for the Creek Nation, tells Kolby KickingWoman of Indian Country Today that the ruling is a huge win for the tribe. “Many folks are in tears,” he says. “Despite a history of many broken promises, as is true with many tribal nations, the citizens feel uplifted that for once the United States is being held to its promises.”
Summarizing the ruling’s overall significance for Vox, Ian Millhiser concludes, “The primary impact of McGirt is that Oklahoma loses much of itsNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Monday, July 13, 2020 4:01 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:Quote:"The Supreme Court today kept the United States' sacred promise to the Muscogee (Creek) Nation of a protected reservation," the tribe said in a statement.
Originally posted by second:Quote:
Originally posted by THG:Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:Quote:
Originally posted by THG:Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
The Navajo seem to have Covid-19 under control now on their reserves. Last time I looked at their web page they had had 38 new cases.
In a decision being hailed as a win for tribal sovereignty, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Thursday that a large portion of eastern Oklahoma remains a reservation.
T
That is a win because the US government is well known for taking back land that was granted to the tribes by treaty.
It's been a mess Brenda. This country is supposed to be a work in progress. This is a step forward in a period that's been 3 steps backward.
T
It is NOT a “sacred promise”. There is nothing sacred. By next week, Congress could rescind the promise, assuming the Democrats in the House decide to join with Republicans in the Senate and Trump to rescind. The court's decision hinged on the question of whether the Creek reservation continued to exist after Oklahoma became a state.
"Today we are asked whether the land these treaties promised remains an Indian reservation for purposes of federal criminal law. Because Congress has not said otherwise, we hold the government to its word," Justice Neil Gorsuch wrote in the majority opinion.
More at www.npr.org/2020/07/09/889562040/supreme-court-rules-that-about-half-o
f-oklahoma-is-indian-land
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
White man speak with forked tongue. Your government is still very capable of breaking treaties as I said to Kiki basically.
Every culture lies Brenda. Don't play the victim to the past. When speaking of the human race history shows no culture is any better than the next.
T
Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.
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Monday, July 13, 2020 5:52 AM
The Canadian courts did the most remarkable thing in recent history and ruled - in response to a lawsuit - that
Yanno, that treaty that Canada broke? You're right. We owe the First Nations something for our bad faith.
And created Nunavut. Check out a map sometime to see what that means.
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