Like I said, F*** Russia

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SECOND

Tuesday, July 7, 2020 10:03 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Trump did not search the desks of staff in the White House for the pee tapes. But Trump is searching White House staff for the leak on Russian bounties. Trump wishes to know who xeroxed the intelligence report on Russian bounties and gave copies to the news.

This is all somebody's fervid imagination. If there were actionable intelligence reports that were actually photocopied from the WH desk, why was the initial story attributed to "sources", and so incredibly lacking in detail and ... what is that word again ... oh yes ... EVIDENCE?

Fuzzy intelligence reports that are nothing more than rumors don't make it to the President's ear. I'm sure there are dozens, if not HUNDREDS of rumors about geopolitics swirling around right now, about anything from "What caused the three explosions at Iran's nuclear processing facility" to "What Merkel eating for breakfast signifies about her resistance to US sanctions against Russia".

People are lying, and SECONDHAND apparently can't detect lies, which is why he wound up going to Vietnam to kill people. And now he spends all of his time spreading lies here.

Let's not miss the forest for the trees: confronted with allegations that Moscow put bounties on the heads of American troops, the White House is eager to punish U.S. officials who exposed the controversy.

Indeed, the Washington Post reported over the holiday weekend, "In the days since the reports became public, Trump has declined to criticize Putin or Russia, and senior administration officials say the White House isn’t planning a response . . ."
www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-remains-silent-on-putin
-despite-uproar-over-alleged-russian-bounty-payments/2020/07/03/00a692a6-bc81-11ea-86d5-3b9b3863273b_story.html

www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/white-house-does-not-plan-any
-immediate-response-over-intelligence-reports-on-russian-bounties-targeting-us-troops/2020/07/01/7a5ee23c-bbb5-11ea-8cf5-9c1b8d7f84c6_story.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Tuesday, July 7, 2020 10:26 PM

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Indeed, the Washington Post reported over the holiday weekend, "In the days since the reports became public, Trump has declined to criticize Putin or Russia, and senior administration officials say the White House isn’t planning a response . . ."

Because WHAT IF THE RUMOR ABOUT BOUNTIES ISN'T TRUE?

Jeezus, SECOND, is your brain on backwards? Even "reports" by estimable organizations that have been presented and accepted as tried and true have turned out to be false.

Assad did not "gas his own people", and the OPCW has been denounced by its own investigators, with high officials rewriting their own investigators' reports to the point where the investigators blew the whistle on them.
https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/05/opcw-whistleblowers-attacks-cover-u
p-douma-deception/

Russia did NOT "hack the DNC". Crowdstrike - the company that examined the DNC servers and publicly claimed they found evidence of Fancy Bear malware - PRIVATELY admitted it found no such thing.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020/05/13/crowdstrike_president_und
er_oath_no_proof_of_russia_dnc_hack_510974.html

Now the M$M is spreading a shitstorm about a rumor about an event that may or may not have happened, and SECONDRATE is all too ready to participate in the shitstorm without ever wondering if it's true?

Either you're incredibly stupid, or you're a paid troll, SECOND.

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SECOND

Tuesday, July 7, 2020 10:44 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Because WHAT IF THE RUMOR ABOUT BOUNTIES ISN'T TRUE?

Jeezus, SECOND, is your brain on backwards? Even "reports" by estimable organizations that have been presented and accepted as tried and true have turned out to be false.

You used the word rumor. Sorry, it is facts, but if you and Trump want to pretend the Russian bounty for killing Americans is a rumor, a "hoax" created by the news (in Trump's colorful phrasing) then there is no leaker. The leaker never existed because the story is a "hoax" created out of thin air by the news. But Trump is seeking to punish a real leaker working in the White House connected to real facts released against Trump's wishes to the news.

Trump's mistake was to look for a leaker. Trump should have kept to his "hoax" explanation and never looked for the leaker. Trump should have said that the leaker was created by the newswriters in order to hide that the entire story is imaginary, is a "hoax", is fake.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Tuesday, July 7, 2020 10:50 PM

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the Russian bounty for killing Americans is a rumor, a "hoax" created by the news (in Trump's colorful phrasing) then there is no leaker. The leaker never existed because the story is a "hoax" created out of thin air by the news.

Or perhaps the bounty-for-killing-Americans 'leaker' exists and is the hoaxer, and the M$M is merely helping the hoaxer along.

To bring up specific example, that was certainly true of - say - the so called Steele 'dossier' which was a fabrication created by a consortium of democratic party/ Five Eyes/ and private hoaxers. And that hoax was then willingly, and probably knowingly, propagated by the M$M. Or to go back even further in time, there was the Chalabi-created 'centrifuges buried under a rosebush' hoax actively flogged by the M$M's NYTimes Judith Miller.

That hoaxer-to-M$M process undeniably has already happened in the past, and it's possible it's happening today.

SECOND

Tuesday, July 7, 2020 11:31 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
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the Russian bounty for killing Americans is a rumor, a "hoax" created by the news (in Trump's colorful phrasing) then there is no leaker. The leaker never existed because the story is a "hoax" created out of thin air by the news.
Or perhaps the 'leaker' exists and is the hoaxer, and the M$M is merely helping the hoaxer along.

That was certainly true of - say - the so called Steele 'dossier' which was a fabrication created by a consortium of democratic party/ Five Eyes/ and private hoaxers. And that hoax was then willingly (and probably knowingly) flogged by the M$M.

Or to go back even further in time, there was the Chalabi-created 'centrifuges buried under a rosebush' hoax actively flogged by the M$M's NYTimes Judith Miller.

It's certainly already happened many, many times that way.

We need a fictional example of the silly game Trump is playing. Trump gives a public statement A: "The story by the Washington Post about an extraterrestrial in Area 51 is a hoax." Then Trump makes a private statement B to his staff: "Find the extraterrestrial, disguised as a worker, hiding in Area 51. I will make an example of the Alien." Statements A and B are not compatible. Trump is playing a very simple game. These following statements are not compatible, either. Trump's very loud and public statement A: "Russia did not pay bounties for dead Americans. It is a hoax by the Washington Post." Trump's quiet private statement B: "Find the leaker in the White House for the story about Russia paying bounties for dead Americans. I will make an example of the leaker." Trump is playing silly games. He is not playing to protect America. He has other motives he is not talking about.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Tuesday, July 7, 2020 11:44 PM

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"Russia did not pay bounties for dead Americans. It is a hoax by the Washington Post."

No such quote is found by Google.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, July 8, 2020 12:45 AM

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SIGNYM:

Because WHAT IF THE RUMOR ABOUT BOUNTIES ISN'T TRUE?

Jeezus, SECOND, is your brain on backwards? Even "reports" by estimable organizations that have been presented and accepted as tried and true have turned out to be false.

SECONDRATE: You used the word rumor. Sorry, it is facts

Baloney. Where is the EVIDENCE?

Just like RUSSIA!RUSSIA! it could be all made up.

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SIGNYM

Wednesday, July 8, 2020 1:59 AM

Just to elucidate further;

EVEN TAKING THE NYT ARTICLE AT FACE VALUE- and there's no reason to think that we should- all we have is that someone (NYT) said that someone (anonymous) said that someones (chain of command, interagency communication) said that someone (interrogator) said that someone (prisoner) said.

But there is some evidence that Shifty Schiff himself is the source for the "leak", and we all know how honest HE is.

****

Oh btw, thanks for the fictional example of the game YOU are playing. When you have to resort to fiction, you should realize that your argument has left the building.

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SECOND

Wednesday, July 8, 2020 4:56 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:

Oh btw, thanks for the fictional example of the game YOU are playing. When you have to resort to fiction, you should realize that your argument has left the building.

Here is a General who is not as clever as Trump when playing the political game of spreading confusion in all directions and emitting smoke screens:

The top US general overseeing operations in the Middle East and Afghanistan said Tuesday that the intelligence concerning Russian operatives offering bounties to Taliban-linked militants was "very worrisome" but that the information wasn't solid enough to hold up in a court of law.

"The intelligence wasn't proved to me. It was proved enough to worry me. It wasn't proved enough that I'd take it to a court of law. That's often true in battlefield intelligence," Gen. Frank McKenzie, the commander of US Central Command, told a small group of reporters while traveling to the region, according to a transcript provided by the Defense Department.

His comments mark the first time a Pentagon official has answered questions about the US intelligence that assessed there was an effort by a Russian military intelligence unit to pay the Taliban to kill US soldiers.

Russian intelligence officers for the GRU, a military intelligence unit, offered money to Taliban militants in Afghanistan as a reward if they killed US or British troops there, a European intelligence official told CNN last month.

The official was unclear as to the precise Russian motivation, but said the incentives had, in their assessment, led to coalition casualties. The official did not specify the date of the casualties, their number or nationality, or whether these were fatalities or injuries.

McKenzie said Tuesday, "I'm very familiar with this material, and I'm a theater commander and I've had an opportunity to look at it. I found it very worrisome."

McKenzie cautioned Tuesday that the US "should always remember, the Russians are not our friends. They are not our friends. And they are not our friends in Afghanistan. And they do not wish us well. And we just need to remember that at all times when we evaluate that intelligence." (Signym, I doubt Trump will ever say "Russians are not our friends." Trump certainly won't say it three times in a row for extra emphasis, as the General did.)

Much more at www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/politics/us-russia-afghanistan-bounty-intellige
nce/index.html

The general's comments come as President Donald Trump continues to cast doubt on the intelligence, referring to it recently as a hoax.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Wednesday, July 8, 2020 10:15 PM

So "somebody (intelligence officials) said" that blah blah blah ... There's nothing new here, SECONDRATE.

"Intelligence officials" said that Trump paid prostitutes to pee on him.

"Intelligence officials" said that Saddam had WMD

"Intelligence officials" said that Russia hacked the DNC server

"Intelligence officials" said that Assad gased his own people

Yanno, those "intelligence officials" aren't very intelligent. That, or they're paid liars.

And neither are you! That, or you're a paid troll.

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SECOND

Wednesday, July 8, 2020 11:20 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So "somebody (intelligence officials) said" that blah blah blah ... There's nothing new here, SECONDRATE.

"Intelligence officials" said that Trump paid prostitutes to pee on him.

"Intelligence officials" said that Saddam had WMD

"Intelligence officials" said that Russia hacked the DNC server

"Intelligence officials" said that Assad gased his own people

Yanno, those "intelligence officials" aren't very intelligent. That, or they're paid liars.

And neither are you! That, or you're a paid troll.

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It was Gen. Frank McKenzie, the commander of US Central Command. It was not some anonymous official.

McKenzie cautioned Tuesday that the US "should always remember, the Russians are not our friends. They are not our friends. And they are not our friends in Afghanistan. And they do not wish us well. And we just need to remember that at all times when we evaluate that intelligence."

Signym, I doubt Trump will ever say "Russians are not our friends." Trump certainly won't say it three times in a row for extra emphasis, as the General did.

Much more at www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/politics/us-russia-afghanistan-bounty-intellige
nce/index.html

The general's comments come as President Donald Trump continues to cast doubt on the intelligence, referring to it recently as a hoax.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Wednesday, July 8, 2020 11:43 PM

"WORRISOME" but "would not hold up in a court of law".

So, where does that place the allegation? Is it reliable enough to change anyone's plans? Is it actionable? Is it something to keep in the back of your mind? Something to forget?

The Russians are NOT our friends. But since when is that new knowledge? The Taliban have been trying to kill Americans for almost two decades. Does this questionable report mean that our soldiers have to be MORE careful?

The idea that Russia would be paying a "bounty" to low-level Taliban to kill low-levle grunts is ludicrous because it changes nothing.

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THG

Wednesday, July 8, 2020 11:47 PM

Yes wishimay. Fuck Russia...

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Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

SECOND

Wednesday, July 8, 2020 11:57 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
"WORRISOME" but "would not hold up in a court of law".

So, where does that place the allegation? Is it reliable enough to change anyone's plans? Is it actionable? Is it something to keep in the back of your mind? Something to forget?

The Russians are NOT our friends. But since when is that new knowledge? The Taliban have been trying to kill Americans for almost two decades. Does this questionable report mean that our soldiers have to be MORE careful?

The idea that Russia would be paying a "bounty" to low-level Taliban to kill low-levle grunts is ludicrous because it changes nothing.

If Gen. Frank McKenzie, the commander of US Central Command, was any blunter about Russians or about Russia paying bounties for dead Americans, Trump would fire him. But McKenzie has made it clear that what Trump pretends is a hoax is not a hoax made up by the news at all. It is real.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Thursday, July 9, 2020 4:07 AM

Gnl McKenzie is saying what others are saying: There are reports. Where they land on the spectrum of actually being true is somewhere in the fuzzy middle. CIA says medium confidence, NSA demures.

You may recall that it was widely blared that seventeen intelligence agencies stood shoulder to shoulder and they all declared that Russia hacked the DNC servers. But then, just as now, the NSA was actually the holdout and placed LOW CONFIDENCE on the "report". They balked because they never captured an single packet of the supposedly hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of packets on their way to foreign soil (something the NSA monitors very carefully) for the info to have been "hacked" from abroad, as opposed to having been transferred to a thumb drive by a person with physical access to the DNC PCs.

Aside from the fact that the file metadata shows every indication of having been transferred to a thumb drive, even Crowdstrike privately admitted there was no indication that Fancy Bear or any other Russian malware accessed the DNC servers, so in the end the NSA proved to be right.

So, let's get into the weeds of who has what info, besides "somebody said that somebody said".

Let's start with the relevant portion of the title from a mainstream publication

Quote:
Intelligence Agencies Don’t Agree Whether Russia Paid the Taliban to Target U.S. Soldiers.
U.S. and allied military and intelligence officials in Afghanistan collected information indicating that Russian intelligence officers maintained a fund for rewarding Afghan militants who killed American and Afghans soldiers, but senior officials are divided on how much credence to give the raw intelligence.

CIA and Special Operations Command officers in Afghanistan (SOCOM) concluded based on information from human sources that the Russians were, as one official who spoke on condition of anonymity put it, “incentivizing” Taliban fighters to kill Americans and Afghans to retaliate against America for Russia’s defeat in 1989 and disrupt the U.S.-sponsored peace negotiations between the Taliban and the Afghan government. The National Security Agency, however, expressed less confidence than the CIA or SOCOM because there was no convincing evidence of that in intercepted Taliban and Russian communications.

...There is no consensus within the intelligence community on these allegations, and, in effect, there are dissenting opinions from some in the intelligence community with regards to the veracity of what’s being reported. And the veracity of the underlying allegations continue to be evaluated,” McEnany said. “Intelligence is verified before it reaches the President of the United States. And in this case, it was not verified.”

https://news.yahoo.com/intelligence-agencies-don-t-agree-192216261.htm
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SECOND

Thursday, July 9, 2020 5:02 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Gnl McKenzie is saying what others are saying: There are reports. Where they land on the spectrum of actually being true is somewhere in the fuzzy middle. CIA says medium confidence, NSA demures.

You may recall that it was widely blared that seventeen intelligence agencies stood shoulder to shoulder and they all declared that Russia hacked the DNC servers. But then, just as now, the NSA was actually the holdout and placed LOW CONFIDENCE on the "report". They balked because they never captured an single packet of the supposedly hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of packets on their way to foreign soil (something the NSA monitors very carefully) for the info to have been "hacked" from abroad, as opposed to having been transferred to a thumb drive by a person with physical access to the DNC PCs.

Aside from the fact that the file metadata shows every indication of having been transferred to a thumb drive, even Crowdstrike privately admitted there was no indication that Fancy Bear or any other Russian malware accessed the DNC servers, so in the end the NSA proved to be right.

So, let's get into the weeds of who has what info, besides "somebody said that somebody said".

Let's start with the relevant portion of the title from a mainstream publication

I'm starting to suspect you have a strong affinity for Russians and Trumps. The number of words you write in their defense is enormous. Where do you find the time?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Thursday, July 9, 2020 5:29 AM

You keep writing the same wrong thing over ... and over ... and over ... and over ... and over ... and ...

... and that is to assert that pointing out flaws in one side means supporting, accepting, and exonerating the 'other' side. Not only is it possible BOTH sides are wrong, it's the most probable scenario.

But your broken brain can't come up with anything other than that false dilemma you're obsessed with.

SECOND

Thursday, July 9, 2020 6:11 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
You keep writing the same wrong thing over ... and over ... and over ... and over ... and over ... and ...

... and that is to assert that pointing out flaws in one side means supporting, accepting, and exonerating the 'other' side. Not only is it possible BOTH sides are wrong, it's the most probable scenario.

But your broken brain can't come up with anything other than that false dilemma you're obsessed with.

Signym made a large numbers of misleading assertions over the years in defense of Russians and Trumps. Same with 1kiki. Mostly, Signym and 1kiki (and especially Trump) deal in stuff that has to be taken on faith or trust in their honesty and sincerity. Not sorry to tell you, but all three of you appear to be fakes. Trump is a fake President. Signym and 1kiki are fake firefly fans. Only Trump is important enough for somebody to keep track of his lies, his fake "truths". Signym and 1kiki? Not worth tracking for even a day. There are many more articles:

Trump Is Lying More Than Ever: Just Look At The Data
www.forbes.com/sites/davidmarkowitz/2020/05/05/trump-is-lying-more-tha
n-ever-just-look-at-the-data/#970d46a1e176

12 false claims Trump has made about Obama since last month
www.cnn.com/2020/06/17/politics/fact-check-trump-obama-lies-policing-j
ustice/index.html

If you google Trump lies there are about 344,000,000 results. He is lying about Russian bounties on dead Americans. Signym and 1kiki are lying, too.
www.google.com/search?q=trump+lies

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, July 9, 2020 7:47 AM

Lies. Lies.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Thursday, July 9, 2020 8:57 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Gnl McKenzie is saying what others are saying: There are reports. Where they land on the spectrum of actually being true is somewhere in the fuzzy middle. CIA says medium confidence, NSA demures.

You may recall that it was widely blared that seventeen intelligence agencies stood shoulder to shoulder and they all declared that Russia hacked the DNC servers. But then, just as now, the NSA was actually the holdout and placed LOW CONFIDENCE on the "report". They balked because they never captured an single packet of the supposedly hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of packets on their way to foreign soil (something the NSA monitors very carefully) for the info to have been "hacked" from abroad, as opposed to having been transferred to a thumb drive by a person with physical access to the DNC PCs.

Aside from the fact that the file metadata shows every indication of having been transferred to a thumb drive, even Crowdstrike privately admitted there was no indication that Fancy Bear or any other Russian malware accessed the DNC servers, so in the end the NSA proved to be right.

So, let's get into the weeds of who has what info, besides "somebody said that somebody said".

Let's start with the relevant portion of the title from a mainstream publication
I'm starting to suspect you have a strong affinity for Russians and Trumps. The number of words you write in their defense is enormous. Where do you find the time?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Just because I criticize your dishonesty doesn't mean I defend Trump. I have my criticisms of Trump, but they're not based on lies.

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SIGNYM

Thursday, July 9, 2020 9:25 AM

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1KIKI:
You keep writing the same wrong thing over ... and over ... and over ... and over ... and over ... and ...

... and that is to assert that pointing out flaws in one side means supporting, accepting, and exonerating the 'other' side. Not only is it possible BOTH sides are wrong, it's the most probable scenario.

But your broken brain can't come up with anything other than that false dilemma you're obsessed with.

SECONDRATE: Signym made a large numbers of misleading assertions over the years ...

SUCH AS?
When has anything I posted ever found to be untrue? I said there was no Russian hack of the DNC. I said there was no collusion. I said that the deep state was lying to smear Trump. I said that if Flynn was guilty of anything, it was working for Turkey. I said that Trump was a "loose cannon". I said that Russia did NOT "invade" Ukraine, that what was happening was proxy/hybrid warfare. I said that the people of Crimea voted overwhelmingly to join Russia. I said that Assad did not "gas his own people". I said that Obama oversaw the exacerbation of the wealth gap that was worse than GWB's. I said that The Fed was driving much of the wealth gap. All of this, if controversial at the time, has proven to be true.

So?

Show me where I was "misleading". Quotes and links, please, instead of more or YOUR misleading assertions.

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~~in defense of Russians and Trumps~~ criticizing unending stupidity on the part of many people here

FIFY

Quote:
. Same with 1kiki. Mostly, Signym and 1kiki (and especially Trump) deal in stuff that has to be taken on faith or trust in their honesty and sincerity.

Mostly, SECONDRATE posts stuff that has to be taken on faith and trust in him, the M$M, and the deep state.
Me? Not so much into blind hatred and blind partisanship as SECONDRATE.

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SIGNYM

Thursday, July 9, 2020 1:20 PM

Oh, BTW SECONDRATE, I did a little diging to find the ACTUAL TRANSCRIPT of General McKenzie's interview, and AS USUAL, you misrepresented what he said.

What he ACTUALLY SAID was this

Quote:
I'm very familiar with this material and I'm a theater commander and I've had an opportunity to look at it. I found it very worrisome. I just didn't find that there was a causative link there. It worried me, and we take extreme force protection measures all the time in Afghanistan. Because whether the Russians are paying the Taliban or not, over the past several years, the Taliban have done their level best to carry out operations against us. So nothing has practically changed on the ground in terms of force protection, because we have a very high force protection standard now. And that force protection standard is going to continue in the future. General Miller and I talk frequently about emerging threats. We discuss it and we are all the time evaluating intelligence, re-positioning forces to achieve the best possible posture, nothing has changed in that regard. We are still prepared for the absolute worst anyone could do to us in Afghanistan.

Missy Ryan Hi, General. Nice to talk to you. I wanted to clarify and follow up on your answer about Afghanistan. You're saying that you found it troubling, but you didn't find a causative link. Can you just specify what exactly are you talking about? A causative link in terms of the bounties resulting in American deaths, or causative link in the money that was detected being bounties or resulting in attacks? Can you just clarify that? And then I have a question about Iraq.

General McKenzie Sure the intelligence case wasn't proved to me. It was proved enough to worry me. It wasn't proved enough that I'd take it to a court of law. That's often true in battlefield intelligence. You see a lot of indicators. Many of them are troubling, many of them you act on. But in this case, there just wasn't enough there. I sent the intelligence guys back to continue to dig on it. And I believe they're continuing to dig right now. But I just didn't see enough there to tell me that the circuit was closed in that regard.

Missy Ryan So you weren't convinced that the money that was detected resulted in American deaths?

General McKenzie No, I'm not convinced of that. I'm just not. And basically, nobody is more directly concerned about it than myself and Scott Miller. We look at that all the time. But I'm telling you we just we just didn't see it.

https://www.centcom.mil/MEDIA/STATEMENTS/Statements-View/Article/22668
79/gen-mckenzie-interview-transcript-with-lolita-baldor-luis-martinez-and-missy-ry/

Nowhere does he repeat "Russia is not our friend" three times, at least not in this interview, and google can't find it anywhere.

So stuff your shit back into your anus, SECONDRATE, and stop spewing it all over the board.

With all of the times you've been caught lying, you must be in the running for beating Captain Crunch's record. I think you've surpassed Trump's.

Since you're nothing but a defamer, liar and troll (and prolly a paid one at that) I'm not going to "educate" you on your "errors", I'm simply going to show with maximum efficiency that you are lying ... AGAIN ... and demonstrate each time that nobody should take anything you say seriously because you literally make shit up and then claim it's "fact".

ETA: JUST LIKE THUGR.

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THG

Thursday, July 9, 2020 4:55 PM

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Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, July 9, 2020 9:07 PM

Classy.

Did this idiot also make a cartoon of Russian hookers peeing in Orange Man's mouth?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Friday, July 10, 2020 3:26 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Nowhere does he repeat "Russia is not our friend" three times, at least not in this interview, and google can't find it anywhere.

So stuff your shit back into your anus, SECONDRATE, and stop spewing it all over the board.

With all of the times you've been caught lying, you must be in the running for beating Captain Crunch's record. I think you've surpassed Trump's.

Since you're nothing but a defamer, liar and troll (and prolly a paid one at that) I'm not going to "educate" you on your "errors", I'm simply going to show with maximum efficiency that you are lying ... AGAIN ... and demonstrate each time that nobody should take anything you say seriously because you literally make shit up and then claim it's "fact".

ETA: JUST LIKE THUGR.

I will count to three for you, Signym:

McKenzie cautioned Tuesday that the US "should always remember, the Russians are 1) not our friends. They are 2) not our friends. And they are 3) not our friends in Afghanistan. And they do not wish us well."
www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/politics/us-russia-afghanistan-bounty-intellige
nce/index.html

Since you can’t count to three without help, Signym, you won’t understand what Esper is saying in this article, which is: “I don’t want to be fired, but Trump is a lying sack of shit. If I say it any more obviously I will be fired”:

Secretary of Defense Mark Esper confirmed Thursday that he had been briefed on information regarding Russian payments to the Taliban, seemingly acknowledging that Russia's support for the militant group in Afghanistan is not a "hoax," as President Donald Trump has claimed.

www.cnn.com/2020/07/09/politics/esper-briefed-russian-payments-to-tali
ban/index.html

I expect Signym to go through this article line by line and pretend to completely misunderstand it, exactly what a Russian troll would do.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Friday, July 10, 2020 6:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Nowhere does he repeat "Russia is not our friend" three times, at least not in this interview, and google can't find it anywhere.

So stuff your shit back into your anus, SECONDRATE, and stop spewing it all over the board.

With all of the times you've been caught lying, you must be in the running for beating Captain Crunch's record. I think you've surpassed Trump's.

Since you're nothing but a defamer, liar and troll (and prolly a paid one at that) I'm not going to "educate" you on your "errors", I'm simply going to show with maximum efficiency that you are lying ... AGAIN ... and demonstrate each time that nobody should take anything you say seriously because you literally make shit up and then claim it's "fact".

ETA: JUST LIKE THUGR.
I will count to three for you, Signym:

McKenzie cautioned Tuesday that the US "should always remember, the Russians are 1) not our friends. They are 2) not our friends. And they are 3) not our friends in Afghanistan. And they do not wish us well."
www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/politics/us-russia-afghanistan-bounty-intellige
nce/index.html

Since you can’t count to three without help, Signym, you won’t understand what Esper is saying in this article, which is: “I don’t want to be fired, but Trump is a lying sack of shit. If I say it any more obviously I will be fired”:

Secretary of Defense Mark Esper confirmed Thursday that he had been briefed on information regarding Russian payments to the Taliban, seemingly acknowledging that Russia's support for the militant group in Afghanistan is not a "hoax," as President Donald Trump has claimed.

www.cnn.com/2020/07/09/politics/esper-briefed-russian-payments-to-tali
ban/index.html

I expect Signym to go through this article line by line and pretend to completely misunderstand it, exactly what a Russian troll would do.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Friday, July 10, 2020 9:10 PM

WHAT GENERAL MCKENZIE ACTUALLY SAID (TRANSCRIPT FROM CENTCOM) WITH HIGHLIGHTS FOR THE READING-CHALLENGED. BECAUSE CENTCOM APPARENTLY KEEPS TRACK OF SUCH THINGS.

Quote:
Capt. Urban General McKenzie, we've got 30 minutes on the record. He's going to start with some opening remarks covering a visit to Iraq today and then it’s over to you for questions.

General McKenzie Good. Good afternoon, everybody. It's been a long day for us. Planes, trains, automobiles, as you would expect. What I thought I'd do is just give you a couple of observations at the very beginning. Then we'll go right into your questions. I went into Iraq today. I had an opportunity to have a good meeting with the prime minister. And he was accompanied by the CHOD [Chief of Defense]. So we had a very good meeting with both of them. The principle thing we covered in our meeting was the importance of the next phase of the strategic dialog between our two countries which is going to occur in late July in DC, coronavirus pending. And I know there are a lot of issues associated with that, but we hope it's going to be a physical face-to-face thing. We'll see how that plays out.

But a key thing that we talked about was, what's the future posture for the U.S.? And we established a good back and forth that whatever the future posture is for us in Iraq and for our NATO and coalition partners as well, it's going to be in collaboration with the government of Iraq.

We all agree that's the case, and we all agree we're going to be focused on finishing the final victory again. So the final final conclusion of the campaign against Daesh, they're no longer holding ground.

We just need to finish the insurgency. I can talk about that a little bit, if you'd like to do that. But the key point was whatever we do going forward is going to be fully coordinated with the government of Iraq.

It is my belief that the government of Iraq recognizes the value that we bring for them in their fight against Daesh. They’re going to want us to stay. My final point is, I congratulate the prime minister on action taken to help protect our forces; we very much appreciate that. It was a good, good meeting. Good dialog, and was my first opportunity to meet him. I found him to be very impressive. And I think he's going to be a good leader for Iraq. So I will pause there and be ready to take your questions.

Lolita Baldor OK, just one quick follow up on what you were just talking about. And then a separate question. There, obviously, was talk a month ago about Iraqis wanting all U.S. troops out of the country. Do you think your assumption is that you moved on beyond that, and that there is room for keeping enough U.S. troops there, as many of you deem necessary? And then, so you can take both at once, I just wanted to ask an Afghanistan question, obviously, on the bounty issue. Can you talk at all about what impact you've seen in Afghanistan of loss in influence and/or payments to the Taliban and whether or not you believe there was any measurable impact in either deaths or injuries to U.S. forces?

General McKenzie Sure. I'll start with the Iraq question. So I believe the government of Iraq recognizes the extreme value that the coalition brings to the fight against Daesh in Iraq. And I believe that going forward, they're going to want us to be with them. Now, look, our posture could get smaller as the Iraqis get better at what they do. But I think that's a matter that's going to be negotiated further in the future of Iraq.

What you want to do in a counterinsurgency environment is you want the nation that you're working with to get better and take on a larger and larger share of the task. That's actually what's happening with the Iraqis. This is the desirable end outcome that we want. So we're actually very pleased with that. Going forward, I don't know what the long term future is going to be, but I don't sense there's a there's a mood right now for us to depart precip

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SECOND

Saturday, July 11, 2020 2:22 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

SO THERE YOU HAVE IT: GENERAL MCKENZIE, RUSSIAN TROLL, SAYS THAT THERE WASN'T ENOUGH IN THE INTELLIGENCE TO CAUSE HIM TO CHANGE ANYTHING.

YANNO, IT IS POSSIBLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT "RUSSIA IS NOT OUR FRIEND" AND ALSO TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE NOT GUILTY OF EVERTHING THEY'RE ACCUSED OF. BECAUSE ... EVIDENCE.

What could General McKenzie do if Putin personally gave out a suitcase holding a $1 million bounty for every American killed? The lucky Taliban winner is flown to Crimea for an all expenses paid vacation on the Black Sea where he receives the money and it is televised on Russian TV. General McKenzie can do nothing to Putin. Nothing at all. But Trump could, except he won't. He will say it is a hoax. It is fake TV. It never happened. You think that is preposterous when the evidence is on Russian TV? Look what Trump has done with Covid-19 if you want to see preposterous. And if Putin was a little smarter and does not give the money on TV, but still gives millions to various Taliban winners, it would be trivial for Trump to deny it ever happened. He could hire Signym to say "Where is the evidence?"

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Saturday, July 11, 2020 2:30 AM

Your fantasy does not equal reality.

SECOND

Saturday, July 11, 2020 2:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Your fantasy does not equal reality.

Trump has called Russian bounties for dead Americans a hoax. He has done much worse than say "hoax" with Covid-19.

I just checked and Trump said many preposterous things about Covid-19 today:
www.businessinsider.com/fauci-says-trump-is-obviously-wrong-that-99-of
-coronavirus-is-harmless-2020-7
www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-says-fauci-made-lot-mista
kes-n1233402

There is no evidence convincing enough for Trump to change his mind about Covid-19. I therefore doubt Trump will change his mind about Russian bounties, especially if Putin issues denials. If Trump won't change, none of his Generals can do a damn thing to get Russia to stop. And why would a General sacrifice himself to force Trump to change his mind about Russia? It is Trump's job.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Saturday, July 11, 2020 3:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

SO THERE YOU HAVE IT: GENERAL MCKENZIE, RUSSIAN TROLL, SAYS THAT THERE WASN'T ENOUGH IN THE INTELLIGENCE TO CAUSE HIM TO CHANGE ANYTHING.

YANNO, IT IS POSSIBLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT "RUSSIA IS NOT OUR FRIEND" AND ALSO TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE NOT GUILTY OF EVERTHING THEY'RE ACCUSED OF. BECAUSE ... EVIDENCE.
What could General McKenzie do if Putin personally gave out a suitcase holding a $1 million bounty for every American killed? The lucky Taliban winner is flown to Crimea for an all expenses paid vacation on the Black Sea where he receives the money and it is televised on Russian TV. General McKenzie can do nothing to Putin. Nothing at all. But Trump could, except he won't. He will say it is a hoax. It is fake TV. It never happened. You think that is preposterous when the evidence is on Russian TV? Look what Trump has done with Covid-19 if you want to see preposterous. And if Putin was a little smarter and does not give the money on TV, but still gives millions to various Taliban winners, it would be trivial for Trump to deny it ever happened. He could hire Signym to say "Where is the evidence?"

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

HOW MANY TIMES, IN HOW MANY WAYS, DOES GNL MCKENZIE (AKA "RUSSIAN TROLL") HAVE TO SAY THAT THE REPORT WASN'T STRONG ENOUGH TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT?

This is CLEARLY a case of you screwing around with whatever is in front of you so you can continue your mindfuck games with yourself.

have fun!

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SIGNYM

Saturday, July 11, 2020 3:53 AM

I GUESS COLIN POWELL IS A RUSSIAN TROLL TOO.

Quote:
Colin Powell politely tells MSNBC that they (& many others) botched the Russian Bounty story w/ "hysterical" coverage. "Our military commanders did not think that it was as serious a problem as the newspapers were reporting & television was reporting... It got almost hysterical." pic.twitter.com/fue42WlWbv
— Aaron Maté (@aaronjmate) July 10, 2020

But try finding that on lamestream media.

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1KIKI

Saturday, July 11, 2020 4:32 AM

1. My 600 lb life. (TV show)
2. Donald Trump
3. Texas Republicans
4. Ruining people's lives because of their political beliefs
5. Talking about how much money he has
6. Republicans in general
7. Conservatives
8. Russia

Quote:
2. Donald Trump
8. Russia
2. Donald Trump
2. Donald Trump
2. Donald Trump
8. Russia
8. Russia
2. Donald Trump
2. Donald Trump
8. Russia

fify

helpfully summarized so people can get the gist without having to do any tedious reading

SECOND

Saturday, July 11, 2020 7:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I GUESS COLIN POWELL IS A RUSSIAN TROLL TOO.

Quote:
Colin Powell politely tells MSNBC that they (& many others) botched the Russian Bounty story w/ "hysterical" coverage. "Our military commanders did not think that it was as serious a problem as the newspapers were reporting & television was reporting... It got almost hysterical." pic.twitter.com/fue42WlWbv
— Aaron Maté (@aaronjmate) July 10, 2020

But try finding that on lamestream media.

I hear that the mainstream media is also being hysterical about Covid-19, just as it is about Russian bounties for dead Americans, but our brave, wise, capable President is handling both hoaxes in a perfectly correct manner and he is ignoring the mainstream media's silliness. Only yesterday, the President corrected the media: Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
For the 1/100th time, the reason we show so many Cases, compared to other countries that haven’t done nearly as well as we have, is that our TESTING is much bigger and better. We have tested 40,000,000 people. If we did 20,000,000 instead, Cases would be half, etc. NOT REPORTED!
7:39 AM · Jul 9, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1281206354334625793

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 11, 2020 8:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I GUESS COLIN POWELL IS A RUSSIAN TROLL TOO.

Quote:
Colin Powell politely tells MSNBC that they (& many others) botched the Russian Bounty story w/ "hysterical" coverage. "Our military commanders did not think that it was as serious a problem as the newspapers were reporting & television was reporting... It got almost hysterical." pic.twitter.com/fue42WlWbv
— Aaron Maté (@aaronjmate) July 10, 2020

But try finding that on lamestream media.
I hear that the mainstream media is also being hysterical about Covid-19, just as it is about Russian bounties for dead Americans, but our brave, wise, capable President is handling both hoaxes in a perfectly correct manner and he is ignoring the mainstream media's silliness. Only yesterday, the President corrected the media: Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
For the 1/100th time, the reason we show so many Cases, compared to other countries that haven’t done nearly as well as we have, is that our TESTING is much bigger and better. We have tested 40,000,000 people. If we did 20,000,000 instead, Cases would be half, etc. NOT REPORTED!
7:39 AM · Jul 9, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1281206354334625793

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

What's your point?

That is an absolute fact that Trump tweeted.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Saturday, July 11, 2020 12:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted
I hear that the mainstream media is also being hysterical about Covid-19 ...

Only yesterday, the President corrected the media: Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
For the 1/100th time, the reason we show so many Cases, compared to other countries that haven’t done nearly as well as we have, is that our TESTING is much bigger and better. We have tested 40,000,000 people. If we did 20,000,000 instead, Cases would be half, etc. NOT REPORTED

What's your point?

That is an absolute fact that Trump tweeted.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

So if the US did no testing at all the ERs and ICUs would magically empty out?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 11, 2020 1:00 PM

They're not full now.

But he's referring to the amount of cases, not the amount of deaths.

Don't be obtuse Karen.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Saturday, July 11, 2020 2:15 PM

Karen,

I wasn't referring to deaths either. Just fyi.

And focusing on cases is kinda silly, for either Trump, or for you. Either ERs and ICUs are out of room, or they're not. Either extra people are dying, or they're not. And no amount of blathering about 'cases' will change that reality.

So instead of blathering about 'cases', how about looking at facts?

SIGNYM

Saturday, July 11, 2020 2:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I GUESS COLIN POWELL IS A RUSSIAN TROLL TOO.

Quote:
Colin Powell politely tells MSNBC that they (& many others) botched the Russian Bounty story w/ "hysterical" coverage. "Our military commanders did not think that it was as serious a problem as the newspapers were reporting & television was reporting... It got almost hysterical." pic.twitter.com/fue42WlWbv
— Aaron Maté (@aaronjmate) July 10, 2020

But try finding that on lamestream media.
I hear that the mainstream media is also being hysterical about Covid-19, just as it is about Russian bounties for dead Americans, but our brave, wise, capable President is handling both hoaxes in a perfectly correct manner and he is ignoring the mainstream media's silliness. Only yesterday, the President corrected the media: Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
For the 1/100th time, the reason we show so many Cases, compared to other countries that haven’t done nearly as well as we have, is that our TESTING is much bigger and better. We have tested 40,000,000 people. If we did 20,000,000 instead, Cases would be half, etc. NOT REPORTED!
7:39 AM · Jul 9, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1281206354334625793

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Havig has his ass handed to him on the topic, and demonstrated to be lying, SECONDRATE punts to another topic.
Iguess I win!

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SECOND

Saturday, July 11, 2020 4:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Havig has his ass handed to him on the topic, and demonstrated to be lying, SECONDRATE punts to another topic.
I guess I win!

Trump handled Covid-19 and Russian bounties on dead Americans by calling both a hoax. He doesn't choose to handle either because both will disappear without him being involved. Eventually, he will be right because nothing lasts forever.

Trump thinks Covid-19 is 'going to sort of just disappear'
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/02/first-thing-trump-thinks-covid
-19-is-going-to-sort-of-just-disappear

All the times Trump has baselessly claimed Covid-19 would disappear
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/coronavirus-trum
p-us-cases-death-toll-covid-19-update-a9597421.html
US president has wrongly predicted Covid-19 would vanish at least 20 times since pandemic began

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THG

Saturday, July 11, 2020 6:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Karen,

I wasn't referring to deaths either. Just fyi.

And focusing on cases is kinda silly, for either Trump, or for you. Either ERs and ICUs are out of room, or they're not. Either extra people are dying, or they're not. And no amount of blathering about 'cases' will change that reality.

So instead of blathering about 'cases', how about looking at facts?

T

Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 11, 2020 7:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Karen,

I wasn't referring to deaths either. Just fyi.

And focusing on cases is kinda silly, for either Trump, or for you. Either ERs and ICUs are out of room, or they're not. Either extra people are dying, or they're not. And no amount of blathering about 'cases' will change that reality.

So instead of blathering about 'cases', how about looking at facts?

All you've been doing for three months is blathering, Karen.

It's a good thing we've ramped up testing, otherwise you'd still be running around telling everybody that 15% of the people on the planet are going to die.

I'm looking forward to that day you admit that you got scammed.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Saturday, July 11, 2020 8:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Karen,

I wasn't referring to deaths either. Just fyi.

And focusing on cases is kinda silly, for either Trump, or for you. Either ERs and ICUs are out of room, or they're not. Either extra people are dying, or they're not. And no amount of blathering about 'cases' will change that reality.

So instead of blathering about 'cases', how about looking at facts?

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

All you've been doing for three months is blathering, Karen.

It's a good thing we've ramped up testing, otherwise you'd ~~still~~ never be running around telling everybody that 15% of the people on the planet are going to die.

I'm looking forward to that day you admit that you got scammed.

Do ~~Right~~ Wrong, Be ~~Right~~ Wrong. :)

Karen,

I'm just going to point out that if you have to make up lies to support your point, maybe you don't have a valid point to make.

I'm sorry for you that you got hoodwinked by Trump into thinking this is about 'cases'. And I'm sorry for you that you completely misread my extremely short post (quoted in its entirety below) as being about deaths when it was clearly about the number of people in ERs and ICUs as a marker for COVID-19, and that your arguments imploded on you because of your misreading.

Quote:
So if the US did no testing at all the ERs and ICUs would magically empty out?

SIGNYM

Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:01 AM

Quote:
SIGNYM:

Having has his ass handed to him on the topic, and demonstrated to be lying, SECONDRATE punts to another topic.
I guess I win!

SECONDRATE: Trump handled Covid-19 and Russian bounties on dead Americans by calling both a hoax.

Wrong on both counts. That rightwing website, Snopes, says

Quote:
Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/

They go on to say that, in context, what he said was that the REPORTING on Covid-19 was a hoax. There, I would have to agree, there has been a lot of false reporting on the pandemic.

Ditto with the so-called Russian bounty. The media presented it as FACT, and then went on to further claim that Trump had been briefed about it. Their reporting was a hoax on the American people.

Apparently, SECONDRATE, there is no lie that you will not swallow and no lie that you will not shit out on this board in service to your blind hatred/idiocy/paid trollishness.

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SIGNYM

Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:05 AM

Also from that rightwing website. The Guardian

Quote:
CIA official chose not to tell Trump of Russia bounty report, top adviser claim

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/30/trump-putin-russia-afgha
nistan-us-soliders-bounty

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THG

Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:14 AM

Yep, the crazies are out.

T

Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

SIGNYM

Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:17 AM

Quote:
THG:Yep, the crazies are out.

Are you speaking about yourself, THUGR?

Just because I bring FACTS to the board instead of lies shouldn't bunch your panties.

Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

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WISHIMAY

Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:30 PM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8530451/Russian-hackers-tryin
g-steal-COVID-19-vaccine-research-cyber-attacks.html

I think we probably should have seen this one coming

What WON'T they stoop to...

THG

Thursday, July 16, 2020 11:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8530451/Russian-hackers-tryin
g-steal-COVID-19-vaccine-research-cyber-attacks.html

I think we probably should have seen this one coming

What WON'T they stoop to...

We did wish. Fuck Russia...Have a good day.

T

Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

SIGNYM

Friday, July 17, 2020 2:31 AM

Uh huh. /snark

Gonna put this on the "Saddam WMD Kaddafi massacred his own people Assad gassed his own people Trump collusion with Russia Russia hacked the DNC Noreiga was a major drug runner Kavanaugh is a rapist BLM protests are peaceful" pile

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, July 17, 2020 7:30 AM

Epstein didn't kill himself.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

WISHIMAY

Monday, July 20, 2020 3:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Epstein didn't kill himself.

I know, everyone knows...Trump had him killed.

You know it's interesting times in Russia when people line up to defend the guy that is only accused of killing JUST A FEW PEOPLE...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8536651/Anti-Putin-protesters
-streets-Russian-town-bordering-China-arrest-governor.html

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, July 20, 2020 6:20 AM

Pretty sure you meant the Clintons had him killed.

Maybe the "royal" family.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Monday, July 20, 2020 7:14 AM

Yep, Bill and Hillary had a lot more contact with Epstein than Trump. WISHY seems to be permanently confused on the issue.

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SIGNYM

Monday, July 20, 2020 7:15 AM

BTW, was there ever a point to this thread?

Seems like a few somebodies got all huffy about an event that never happened.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, July 20, 2020 7:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yep, Bill and Hillary had a lot more contact with Epstein than Trump. WISHY seems to be permanently confused on the issue.

lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

WISHIMAY

Monday, July 20, 2020 12:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Pretty sure you meant the Clintons had him killed.

Maybe the "royal" family.

Oblivious, as always.

The judge presiding over the Deutsche Bank and Epstein case just had her family taken out.

You know who was up to their neck in Deutsche Bank money, moron??

Hint: It ain't the Clintons...

It's your orange god, Chumpsky

WISHIMAY

Monday, July 20, 2020 12:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
BTW, was there ever a point to this thread?

Seems like a few somebodies got all huffy about an event that never happened.

Yeah, it was to give you another Russia thread to downplay and marginalize.

Gotta earn them Rubles somehow....

SIGNYM

Monday, July 20, 2020 12:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
BTW, was there ever a point to this thread?

Seems like a few somebodies got all huffy about an event that never happened.

Yeah, it was to give you another Russia thread to downplay and marginalize.

Gotta earn them Rubles somehow....

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SIGNYM

Monday, July 20, 2020 1:04 PM

Do you know what your problem is, WISHY? You believe the lamestream media. Despite have been lied to multiple times, you remain as gullible and trusting as the first time you were ever lied to, or the tenth.

Do you reacll WHICH publisher first printed this story?

As I recall, it was the NYT.

Here is what PETER STRZOK had to say about the NYT's published "news" about the so-called RUSSIA!RUSSIA! hysteria early on in the Trump administration, just months after Trump took office, when the NYT was publishing articles about all of the "contacts" between the various members of the Trump team and Russia:

Remember, this is ANTI-TRUMP PETER STRZOK OF THE FBI, WHO WAS ACTIVELY WOKRING TO DEPOSE TRUMP FROM OFFICE WITH FAKE CHARGES OF COLLUSION WITH RUSSIA, AND THESE ARE HIS NOTES FROM THAT TIME

Quote:
STRZOK
"This [NYT] statement is misleading and inaccurate as written. We have not seen evidence of any individuals in contact with Russians (both Governmental and non-Governmental"

"There is no known intel affiliation, and little if any [Government of Russia] affiliation[.] FBI investigation has shown past contact between [Trump campaign volunteer Carter] Page and the SVR [Service of the Russian Federation], but not during his association with the Trump campaign."

"We are unaware of any calls with any Russian government official in which Manafort was a party."

"We do not yet have detailed [Trump campaign] banking records."

"Again, we are unaware of ANY Trump advisers engaging in conversations with Russian intel officials" and "Our coverage has not revealed contact between Russian intelligence officers and the Trump team."

Claim in NYT article: "The F.B.I. asked the N.S.A. to collect as much information as possible about the Russian operatives on the phone calls..."

Note by Strzok: "If they [NSA] did ["collect as much information as possible about Russian operatives on the phone calls"] we are not aware of those communications."

"We have not investigated Roger Stone."

"Recent interviews and investigation, however, reveal Steele may not be in a position to judge the reliability of subsource network."

"This is inaccurate... our investigation of Manafort was opened in August 2016."

Note by Strzok: "This is inaccurate..."

In other words, Peter Strzok was aware, as was the rest of his chain of command, that not only was the NYT punlishing numerous falsehoods about Trump, but that the "source" of much of this information - Steele- had no contacts in Russia and was therefore unreliable.

However, bc the FBI COC ... Strzok, Comey, et al, were also colluding to drive Trump from office, none of them stepped forward to correct the reporting, and were in fact colluding with the press.

I know it's a difficult mindset to change, but instead of assuming that the M$M is telling the truth until they've been proven to be lying, you're MUCH safer assuming that they're lying - or at least spinning like crazy- until demonstrated otherwise. If you do that, you won't be fooled so often into believing nonsense.

You CAN, for example, apply a few basic questions to any reporting, from any source:
Qui bono? Who benefits? Somebody benefits and somebody loses from every story. and...
Why now? Out of the thousands of stories that could be run on any particular day, some are bannered and others are banished. These are conscious choices made by editors, with a purpose in mind.

Here, for example, is a good explanation why the lamestream media is not reporting on this information but is instead redirecting people's attention to identitu politics and symbolic victories over statues which change absolutely nothing

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Monday, July 20, 2020 8:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Do you know what your problem is, WISHY? You believe the lamestream media. Despite have been lied to multiple times, you remain as gullible and trusting as the first time you were ever lied to, or the tenth.

Do you reacll WHICH publisher first printed this story?

As I recall, it was the NYT.

Here is what PETER STRZOK had to say about the NYT's published "news" about the so-called RUSSIA!RUSSIA! hysteria early on in the Trump administration, just months after Trump took office, when the NYT was publishing articles about all of the "contacts" between the various members of the Trump team and Russia:

Remember, this is ANTI-TRUMP PETER STRZOK OF THE FBI, WHO WAS ACTIVELY WOKRING TO DEPOSE TRUMP FROM OFFICE WITH FAKE CHARGES OF COLLUSION WITH RUSSIA, AND THESE ARE HIS NOTES FROM THAT TIME

Quote:
STRZOK
"This [NYT] statement is misleading and inaccurate as written. We have not seen evidence of any individuals in contact with Russians (both Governmental and non-Governmental"

"There is no known intel affiliation, and little if any [Government of Russia] affiliation[.] FBI investigation has shown past contact between [Trump campaign volunteer Carter] Page and the SVR [Service of the Russian Federation], but not during his association with the Trump campaign."

"We are unaware of any calls with any Russian government official in which Manafort was a party."

"We do not yet have detailed [Trump campaign] banking records."

"Again, we are unaware of ANY Trump advisers engaging in conversations with Russian intel officials" and "Our coverage has not revealed contact between Russian intelligence officers and the Trump team."

Claim in NYT article: "The F.B.I. asked the N.S.A. to collect as much information as possible about the Russian operatives on the phone calls..."

Note by Strzok: "If they [NSA] did ["collect as much information as possible about Russian operatives on the phone calls"] we are not aware of those communications."

"We have not investigated Roger Stone."

"Recent interviews and investigation, however, reveal Steele may not be in a position to judge the reliability of subsource network."

"This is inaccurate... our investigation of Manafort was opened in August 2016."

Note by Strzok: "This is inaccurate..."

In other words, Peter Strzok was aware, as was the rest of his chain of command, that not only was the NYT punlishing numerous falsehoods about Trump, but that the "source" of much of this information - Steele- had no contacts in Russia and was therefore unreliable.

However, bc the FBI COC ... Strzok, Comey, et al, were also colluding to drive Trump from office, none of them stepped forward to correct the reporting, and were in fact colluding with the press.

I know it's a difficult mindset to change, but instead of assuming that the M$M is telling the truth until they've been proven to be lying, you're MUCH safer assuming that they're lying - or at least spinning like crazy- until demonstrated otherwise. If you do that, you won't be fooled so often into believing nonsense.

You CAN, for example, apply a few basic questions to any reporting, from any source:
Qui bono? Who benefits? Somebody benefits and somebody loses from every story. and...
Why now? Out of the thousands of stories that could be run on any particular day, some are bannered and others are banished. These are conscious choices made by editors, with a purpose in mind.

Here, for example, is a good explanation why the lamestream media is not reporting on this information but is instead redirecting people's attention to identitu politics and symbolic victories over statues which change absolutely nothing

SIGNYM defending Russia? This place never changes.

Bored again.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, July 20, 2020 8:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Pretty sure you meant the Clintons had him killed.

Maybe the "royal" family.

Oblivious, as always.

The judge presiding over the Deutsche Bank and Epstein case just had her family taken out.

You know who was up to their neck in Deutsche Bank money, moron??

Hint: It ain't the Clintons...

It's your orange god, Chumpsky

That's funny. Your thread title you made about it reads as follows:

Quote:
Taking bets on how long Ghislaine Maxwell remains alive before Chumpsky and Clinton have her murdered...

I'm sure the Clinton Foundation has loads of money stuffed in shady banks around the world.

What does that even matter?

There's at least a hundred names that we know of that would be screwed if the real Epstein story got out. There's probably a thousand names we never even heard of that are more powerful than Trump or Clinton.

The difference is, you're not joking when you blame it on Trump. I'm joking when I blame it on Clinton. I said back when Epstein was killed that I was joking when I said it was the Clintons.

I'm sure they would have done it if they felt the need to, but they don't need to. Trump doesn't need to. That shit was done quietly and the decisions were made in some dark hidden room by some shadowy figures that we'll never know their identities.

If they ever manage to find that guy who dressed up in a Fed Ex uniform, it's not going to matter at all. He was a nobody. Some local thug who was either paid $10k or blackmailed into doing it. He knows nothing.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Monday, July 20, 2020 9:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Do you know what your problem is, WISHY? You believe the lamestream media. Despite have been lied to multiple times, you remain as gullible and trusting as the first time you were ever lied to, or the tenth.

SIGNYM defending Russia? This place never changes.
Bored again.

As G, sig continues to blame the main stream media for all the misinformation out there. When in fact, they've been incredibly good. Everyone out there who bucks what they have been reporting is either a troll, an ideologue who doesn't care about the truth, only their chosen side coming out on top, or stupid beyond belief.

Let’s not forget, as demonstrated by her last post here. Sig likes to post confusing posts. Posts of stockpiled untruths about events in the form of rants. The amount of reporting she and others here have dismissed as being fake, is the evidence of their intentions. They are the rotten eggs of this firefly site.

T

Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, July 20, 2020 9:43 PM

Once again, we'll get a good dose of how "true" the Legacy Media has been to you when Trump wins in a blowout in November.

I'll wait.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Monday, July 20, 2020 10:49 PM

Quote:
CC:

SIGNYM defending Russia? This place never changes.
Bored again.

Hmm, since I'm quoting Strzok, it must be

Strzok defending Russia, and CC lying again?

Who pays you to troll, CC? You lie so often and with such little conviction that it must be a job.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

WISHIMAY

Tuesday, July 21, 2020 11:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

The difference is, you're not joking when you blame it on Trump.

I'm sure they would have done it if they felt the need to, but they don't need to. Trump doesn't need to.

If they ever manage to find that guy who dressed up in a Fed Ex uniform, it's not going to matter at all. He was a nobody. Some local thug who was either paid $10k or blackmailed into doing it. He knows nothing.

Still not joking. Yeah, he needs to, to keep himself out of federal prison.

P.S. They found the guy. Conveniently DEAD. Just happened to be a woman hating Q-Anon Chump supporter...HOW SURPRISING........NOT.

You can't even remotely get the implications, can you??

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, July 21, 2020 6:25 PM

lol

I'm sure he was a Trump supporting incel.

You're a hoot.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

REAVERFAN

Tuesday, July 21, 2020 7:44 PM

NEWS: Trump Just Fulfilled His Billionaire Pal’s Dream
A Labor Department letter could help Trump’s private equity donors fleece 100 million workers. The letter follows a $3 million super PAC donation from a Wall Street titan pushing for the change.
https://sirota.substack.com/p/news-trump-just-fulfilled-his-billionair
e

As news cycles were consumed by Trump deliberately inflaming social unrest and threatening a domestic military invasion, the president’s political appointees were approving a regulatory change that could transfer hundreds of billions of dollars of Americans’ retirement savings to private equity firms. Those are the Gordon Gekko-run outlets that have become famous for fleecing investors, laying off workers, gutting local economies, strip-mining media outlets and creating public health and environmental disasters -- all while minting Wall Street billionaires.

The Trump administration’s new directive came just a few months after private equity billionaire Steve Schwarzman -- who had been pushing for the change -- poured $3 million into a super PAC backing Trump’s reelection bid.

“A Windfall of $435 Billion”
To the casual onlooker, the information letter from the Employee Benefits Security Administration reads like every other impenetrable passage of stereo instructions that fills the Federal Register -- but this was no routine piece of paperwork. The guidance to Switzerland-based investment firm Partners Group effectively changed the enforcement of federal law protecting workers’ retirement savings.

While longstanding worker-protection regulations have prevented 401k plans from investing in high-risk private equity firms, the letter now permits corporations to funnel that money to those firms, which charge notoriously giant fees.

Trump’s administration argued that workers should feel fortunate and thankful that the administration will now let employers turn their savings over to private equity barons.

THG

Tuesday, July 21, 2020 8:40 PM

And again. Fuck Russia...

T

Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I'm sure he was a Trump supporting incel.

You're a hoot.

IT'S IN THE DAMN NEWS. YOU COULD TRY READING, YOU KNOW.
It doesn't physically hurt

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8546039/Pro-Trump-murderer-la
wyer-turned-life-women-hating-dumped.html

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:46 AM

lol @ the news.

Have they told you anything true in 2020?

No. No they haven't.

Remember when they told us all that Epstein flung himself off his 4 1/2 foot tall 2nd bunk like an Olympic Gymnast and broke his neck? He even managed to do it with a 300lb ex-cop brute sharing the cell with him and the people who were making sure he didn't kill himself not even being aware that it happened. Without anyone being the wiser he also managed to use his X-Men telepathic powers to blank out all the video cameras so nobody could see him do it.

Pretty impressive for a 65 year old dude that spent most of his life banging 10 year olds.

Too bad for him he didn't have Magneto's super powers though. Magneto never had a problem breaking out of prison.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

WISHIMAY

Thursday, July 23, 2020 11:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Remember when they told us all that Epstein flung himself off his 4 1/2 foot tall 2nd bunk like an Olympic Gymnast and broke his neck?

You really believe Chump supporting Maxwell publicly means NOTHING, don't you?

1KIKI

Thursday, July 23, 2020 11:43 AM

I didn't see the message, but it could be taken one of 2 ways like

1) I really wish her well
or
2) she needs to watch her back. Kinda like having the godfather tell you to watch your health.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, July 23, 2020 12:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Remember when they told us all that Epstein flung himself off his 4 1/2 foot tall 2nd bunk like an Olympic Gymnast and broke his neck?

You really believe Chump supporting Maxwell publicly means NOTHING, don't you?

You're just an idiot. Of course you think this.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Thursday, July 23, 2020 10:31 PM

OH, LOOK! SOMETHING ELSE THAT RUSSIA DIDN'T DO!

Quote:
UK Government Failed to Find Whether Russia Meddled in Brexit Vote: Report

Britain's government failed to find out whether Russia meddled in the 2016 referendum on membership of the EU, a parliamentary report released on Tuesday said, saying the intelligence services should investigate and make their findings public.

The long-anticipated report by parliament's intelligence and security committee found that Russia had tried to influence a separate referendum in 2014 when voters in Scotland rejected independence.

But it said the committee was unable to determine whether Russia had attempted to influence the European Union referendum, which led to Britain's exit from the bloc this year.

When asked for evidence on suspected Russian meddling in the vote, Britain's main domestic intelligence agency MI5 produced just six lines of text, the committee said.

What were those "six lines"? It's not like a 300-page report; for the sake of completeness it should be quoted in the article.

Quote:
... The government of Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who came to power as one of the leading figures in the victorious campaign to leave the EU, rejected the call for a further review. A spokesman for Johnson said the prime minister was confident the referendum result to leave the EU was fair.

The report cast Russia as a hostile power which posed a significant threat to Britain and the West across a range of fronts, from espionage and cyber to election meddling and laundering dirty money."It appears that Russia considers the UK one of its top Western intelligence targets," the report said.

It said there were open source indications that Russia had sought to influence the Brexit campaign. But hard evidence had not been produced.

But no evidence for election meddling. Why not ask Christopher Steele? I'm sure HE would cook something up to fill the bill!

Quote:
"The key point is ... they had not sought even to ask that question and that is at the heart of this report," Stewart Hosie, a Scottish National Party member of the committee, told reporters.

British foreign minister Dominic Raab rejected claims that the government had avoided investigating Russia.

"We have a long period recognising the enduring and significant threat posed by Russia," he said. "We are not for a second complacent."

Russia has repeatedly denied meddling in the West, casting the United States and Britain as gripped by anti-Russian hysteria.

"Russia has never interfered in the electoral processes of any country in the world - not the United States, not Britain, nor any other countries," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.

Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova cast the report as "Russophobia in a fake frame".

RUSSIAN MEDDLING AND MONEY

Relations between London and Moscow plunged to post-Cold War lows after Britain blamed Russia for poisoning former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia with a nerve agent in the English city of Salisbury.

Last week, the British government said it believed Russian actors had tried to meddle in last year's general election, which was held after the report published on Tuesday was finished.

When discussing the EU referendum, the report is heavily redacted and there was a classified annex that was not published.

The committee also cast Russia as a source of corrupt money that had been welcomed in London, the world's premier international financial capital.

Well, those are Russian oligarchs fleeing Russian law. It's not Putin's fault that the City of London banks welcome dirty money.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-07-21/russia-meddled-i
n-scottish-vote-unclear-on-brexit-uk-parliamentary-report

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE

WISHIMAY

Thursday, October 1, 2020 11:00 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
OH, LOOK! SOMETHING ELSE THAT RUSSIA DIDN'T DO!

OH, LOOK! SOMETHING RUSSIA DOES A LOT!

Just to be mindless dicks

More than half of nation-state cyber attacks in the last year have originated from Russia, Microsoft has revealed in a new report.

According to the firm's annual Digital Defense Report, 52 per cent of state-sponsored hacking attempts from July 2019 and June 2020 were Russian in origin.

Exactly a quarter during this time period came from Iran, 12 per cent from China and the remaining 11 per cent from North Korea and other countries.

https://refusefascism.org/

1KIKI

Thursday, October 1, 2020 1:01 PM

Sure. Whatever.

REAVERFAN

Thursday, October 1, 2020 8:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Pretty sure you meant the Clintons had him killed.

Maybe the "royal" family.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Yeah, the Clintons have been out of the white house for decades, now, but they had Epstein killed.

Trump is a known buddy of Epstein, raped at least one underage girl with him, and would be exposed if Epstein were to testify, but no, it was the Clintons, because reasons.

What a dope.

REAVERFAN

Thursday, October 1, 2020 8:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Sure. Whatever.

Our resident Russian trolls: Using the same talking points all Russian trolls use.

Coincidence?

WISHIMAY

Friday, December 18, 2020 5:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Our resident Russian trolls: Using the same talking points all Russian trolls use.

Coincidence?

Every damn day for 15 YEARS, I mean that's some quality brainwashing. Why would ANYONE think Russia should take over ANYTHING?? I don't get it...

Good job though, Chump Administration. Way to cover our asses

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9064709/Russian-hack-federal-
government-hard-overstate-says-ex-homeland-security-adviser.html#comments

Russia is damn hard at work starting WW3...

REAVERFAN

Friday, December 18, 2020 6:18 AM

Bellingcat and Navalny present evidence linking Russian FSB to poisoning
Outspoken Kremlin critic Alexei Navalny and investigative outlet Bellingcat have unveiled more evidence, claiming that agents from Russia's secretive Federal Security Service were behind a near-fatal Novichok poisoning.
https://www.dw.com/en/bellingcat-and-navalny-present-evidence-linking-
russian-fsb-to-poisoning/a-55939814

Putin's an evil, murderous tyrant. I will dance when he dies.

SIGNYM

Friday, December 18, 2020 6:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Our resident Russian trolls: Using the same talking points all Russian trolls use.

Coincidence?

Every damn day for 15 YEARS, I mean that's some quality brainwashing. Why would ANYONE think Russia should take over ANYTHING?? I don't get it...

Good job though, Chump Administration. Way to cover our asses

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9064709/Russian-hack-federal-
government-hard-overstate-says-ex-homeland-security-adviser.html#comments

Russia is damn hard at work starting WW3...

Hey WISHY! I'm making chicken and dumplings for dinner! C'mon down!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

REAVERFAN

Friday, December 18, 2020 7:07 AM

Hackers targeted US nuclear weapons agency in massive cybersecurity breach, reports say
Attack part of wider assault on federal agencies and critical infrastructure
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/hackers-
nuclear-weapons-cybersecurity-b1775864.html?utm_content=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&utm_source=reddit.com#Echobox=1608238108

Russian hackers, that is. We don't dine with the enemy. Trump does, but patriots don't.

REAVERFAN

Friday, December 18, 2020 7:28 AM

Stoking Conflict by Keystroke
New Facebook takedowns expose networks of Russian-linked assets targeting Libya, Sudan, Syria, and the Central African Republic.
https://cyber.fsi.stanford.edu/io/news/africa-takedown-december-2020

Today Facebook announced the takedown of three separate networks that targeted communities across Africa. Facebook shared the assets with the Stanford Internet Observatory (SIO) and Graphika before they were suspended. SIO collaborated with colleagues at Graphika on two reports analyzing these networks, both of which we published today.

The first network consisted of 126 Pages, 16 Groups, 211 profiles, and 17 Instagram accounts affiliated with individuals with links to the past activity of the Internet Research Agency (IRA), an entity linked to Russian businessman Yevgeny Prigozhin. According to Facebook, the network involved operators in Russia, Libya, Egypt, Sudan, and Syria and targeted individuals in Libya, Sudan, and Syria. The operation also had a Twitter presence of approximately 30 accounts actively participating in the information operation. These accounts had several thousand followers — at least one had almost 12,000 followers — but the Twitter presence was much smaller than that on Facebook.
---
Russians are slimy little fuckers. Can't trust any of them. Just look at the stupid, lying, evil Russian trolls we have here. They're dogshit.

1KIKI

Friday, December 18, 2020 11:25 AM

So ... not targeting a US interest, and not done by the Russian government, but one was linked to the French military.

The aims appear to have been:

Quote:
Libya:
Several suspended assets were linked to the Stop Terror media brand, which ran a daily podcast.
The network pushed for the release of Russian sociologist Maksim Shugalei and his translator Samir Seifan from a Libyan prison.

Sudan:
Like the 2019 Prigozhin-Sudan operation, the Pages targeting Sudan in this takedown heavily leveraged “news” websites. Narratively, these Pages and linked sites discussed Sudan’s economic crisis and positively framed a Russian-Sudanese deal for a Russian naval base in Sudan, and positively framed ongoing Russian activities in Sudan’s mining sector.

Syria:
Overall, Syria-focused assets mobilized in support of the Bashar al-Assad ~~regime,~~ government ... (... which is reocgnized by the UN as the legitimate government of Syria).
The Syrian Facebook Pages told negative stories about the lives of Syrian refugees, perhaps as part of push and pull strategies to promote refugee resettlement.

So dastardly!!

REAVERFAN

Friday, December 18, 2020 10:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

So ... not targeting a US interest, and not done by the Russian government, but one was linked to the French military.

Whoosh! Right over your Russian troll head!

REAVERFAN

Friday, December 18, 2020 10:19 PM

And who's to blame for this disaster? That's right...

Trump moved cyber security budget to pay for his wall before major hacking assault
‘We have a president diverting money, billions of it, to build a wall,’ says former FBI deputy
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-cy
bersecurity-fbi-russian-hackers-b1776007.html?utm_source=reddit.com

Trump does everything Putin tells him to, just like Kiki the Russian troll does.

REAVERFAN

Friday, December 18, 2020 10:25 PM

Russia hasn’t just hacked our computer systems. It’s hacked our minds. The Recent Hack Is Putin's Goodbye to Trump - and warning. Russia will remain like a virus inside the DNA of America for a long long time.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/russia-hasnt-just-hacked-our-c
omputer-systems-its-hacked-our-minds/2020/12/17/7ddd72a8-40a7-11eb-8bc0-ae155bee4aff_story.html

The more we learn about the recent hack into dozens of America’s most critical computer networks — widely attributed to Russia — the more it becomes clear that it is massive, unprecedented and crippling. Tom Bossert, who served as homeland security adviser to President Trump, writes, “It will take years to know for certain which networks the Russians control and which ones they just occupy.” (We do know they successfully penetrated the Department of Homeland Security’s systems as well as those of Treasury, Commerce and others.) Stanford’s Alex Stamos describes it as “one of the most important hacking campaigns in history.” The New York Times’ David E. Sanger, who has written several books on cyberweapons, co-wrote an article calling the breach “among the greatest intelligence failures of modern times.”

Vladimir Putin’s Russia has significantly expanded its hybrid warfare, using new methods to spread chaos among its adversaries. The United States will have to fortify its digital infrastructure and respond more robustly to the Kremlin’s mounting cyberattacks. But what about the perhaps more insidious Russian efforts at disinformation, which have helped to reshape the information environment worldwide?

In 2016, two scholars at Rand Corp. wrote a paper describing Russia’s “firehose of falsehood” propaganda model. Very different from Cold War-era propaganda, current Russian approaches work with prevailing technologies and social media platforms. There are two key features — “high numbers of channels and messages and a shameless willingness to disseminate partial truths or outright fictions.” There is no effort at consistency or credibility. The report quotes one analyst: “New Russian propaganda entertains, confuses and overwhelms the audience.”

Russia’s method closely resembles Trump’s own propaganda strategy. Trump issues a blizzard of messages, using every medium he can find. He is usually untruthful but always entertaining. He never worries about consistency, asking only that you remember his most recent claims. When campaigning in 2016 he argued that the unemployment rate was a hoax, that the Federal Reserve was keeping interest rates dangerously low and that the stock market was a bubble about to burst. Once he entered the White House, he soon said the opposite about all three. If you bombard people in the present, few have time to dwell on the past.

Wittingly or unwittingly, Trump uses the Russian model, which rests on the principle that people get convinced when they hear the same message many times from a variety of sources, no matter how biased. He adds to this an intuitive understanding of how social media works. If you make a claim that is truly outrageous, it will attract attention and eyeballs, spread far and wide, and ensure that people hear it repeatedly — and over time begin to believe it. A boring truth dies on Twitter, while a sensational lie goes viral and (most disturbingly) over time become a half-truth. (I recently experienced this myself. A commentary of mine was edited so that I seemed to be saying close to the opposite of what I actually was, which then ensured that it was widely disseminated.)

Trump has set a new standard because he simply does not view the truth as a constraint. A principled conservative would explain that Republicans do not have a replacement for Obamacare because they don’t believe the federal government should be required to guarantee health care as a right. Trump’s method is easier — he simply asserts that he has a plan, even better than Obamacare. Trump has announced he will veto the defense appropriations bill, apparently because it removes Confederate names from bases and does not rep

1KIKI

Saturday, December 19, 2020 12:42 AM

reposted to get a fact-based response

So ... not targeting a US interest, and not done by the Russian government, but one was linked to the French military.

The aims appear to have been:

Quote:
Libya:
Several suspended assets were linked to the Stop Terror media brand, which ran a daily podcast.
The network pushed for the release of Russian sociologist Maksim Shugalei and his translator Samir Seifan from a Libyan prison.

Sudan:
Like the 2019 Prigozhin-Sudan operation, the Pages targeting Sudan in this takedown heavily leveraged “news” websites. Narratively, these Pages and linked sites discussed Sudan’s economic crisis and positively framed a Russian-Sudanese deal for a Russian naval base in Sudan, and positively framed ongoing Russian activities in Sudan’s mining sector.

Syria:
Overall, Syria-focused assets mobilized in support of the Bashar al-Assad ~~regime,~~ government ... (... which is reocgnized by the UN as the legitimate government of Syria).
The Syrian Facebook Pages told negative stories about the lives of Syrian refugees, perhaps as part of push and pull strategies to promote refugee resettlement.

So dastardly!!

SIGNYM

Saturday, December 19, 2020 12:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

reposted to get a fact-based response

So ... not targeting a US interest, and not done by the Russian government, but one was linked to the French military.

The aims appear to have been:
Quote:
Libya:
Several suspended assets were linked to the Stop Terror media brand, which ran a daily podcast.
The network pushed for the release of Russian sociologist Maksim Shugalei and his translator Samir Seifan from a Libyan prison.

Sudan:
Like the 2019 Prigozhin-Sudan operation, the Pages targeting Sudan in this takedown heavily leveraged “news” websites. Narratively, these Pages and linked sites discussed Sudan’s economic crisis and positively framed a Russian-Sudanese deal for a Russian naval base in Sudan, and positively framed ongoing Russian activities in Sudan’s mining sector.

Syria:
Overall, Syria-focused assets mobilized in support of the Bashar al-Assad ~~regime,~~ government ... (... which is reocgnized by the UN as the legitimate government of Syria).
The Syrian Facebook Pages told negative stories about the lives of Syrian refugees, perhaps as part of push and pull strategies to promote refugee resettlement.

So dastardly!!

Too many good facts, KIKI! Get with the narrative!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

WISHIMAY

Sunday, December 20, 2020 10:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Too many good facts, KIKI! Get with the narrative!

Every time you twits defend Russian hacking you just look like more and more of a joke around here, you know that right???

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, December 20, 2020 10:00 PM

^ Says the biggest joke in the RWED.

What have you done today to earn your place in this crowded world? :)

REAVERFAN

Monday, December 21, 2020 1:14 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, December 21, 2020 3:35 AM

^ Marcos is just salty he's too stupid to hack computers and he still has to burn his trash cans in person.

At least he was already wearing a mask everywhere, so he doesn't feel oppressed when they tell everybody else that they have to.

What have you done today to earn your place in this crowded world? :)

SIGNYM

Monday, December 21, 2020 7:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Too many good facts, KIKI! Get with the narrative!

Every time you twits defend Russian hacking you just look like more and more of a joke around here, you know that right???

Every time you panic about RUSIIA!RUSSIA! or FASCISM! without the slightest evidence you look like a panicked cow.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

WISHIMAY

Monday, December 21, 2020 10:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Every time you panic about RUSIIA!RUSSIA! or FASCISM! without the slightest evidence you look like a panicked cow.

It's hilarious that your alternate "double think" definition of "without evidence" is DOZENS of articles relaying info from defense departments, energy departments, government officials...EVEN MICROSOFT said it

All relayed info is somehow "neofitsial'nyy" (say the word slow and you'll get it) if I haven't been in the government computers MY OWN SELF.

Seriously, great brainwashing. Ypa

Manipulative pieces of SHIT.

I WILL HEARTILY DEFEND HUMAN RIGHTS UNTIL YOU CAN SEE YOUR WRONGS
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1KIKI

Monday, December 21, 2020 10:41 AM

Nobody "said it" except the newspapers.

Name me one quoted person who'se seen the actual code, who understands it, who "said it". Otherwise, it's just people quoting people who quoted someone who heard an anonymous someone say something.

And, meh.

WISHIMAY

Monday, December 21, 2020 10:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Otherwise, it's just people quoting people who quoted someone who heard an anonymous someone say something... ON AN AVERAGE OF EVERY THREE MONTHS.

And, meh.

Fify.

A Russian Troll would say "MEH".

Someone that wanted Russia to stay on their frozen hell side of the line would say

Funny how that works!

I WILL HEARTILY DEFEND HUMAN RIGHTS UNTIL YOU CAN SEE YOUR WRONGS
................................ https://refusefascism.org/....................................

1KIKI

Monday, December 21, 2020 11:17 AM

Every 3 months? Is that how long you're OTR?

WISHIMAY

Tuesday, December 22, 2020 10:16 AM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9076393/Contradicting-Trump-U
S-justice-chief-fingers-Russia-hack.html

Even idiot Bill Barr can see the Cyrillic writing on the wall.

But you two are completely blind and dense. How surprising

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