Long hot summer ... of riots
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UPDATED: Tuesday, September 1, 2026 18:10
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KIKI: If you agree with me, stop "explaining" the protests and protesters as if that will change my view of them as anthing other than well-meaning but (IMHO) lazy dupes.
And, of course, there is no justification for looting, and none for violence unless you're prepared to start a revolution and carry it thru to a specific end. Otherwise you're just fomenting chaos and dysfunction. (And of course why would you do that except to implement "regime change?)
YOU may not be "reacting", but THEY are. We don't need "reacting"; haven't we had enough of that? People who are "reacting" are manipulable and probably being manipulated. Haven't we had enough of that, too?
WHAT IS THE REAL PROBLEM? HOW CAN WE FIX IT? or, alternatively
WHAT ARE AMERICA'S INTERESTS?
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Sure.
I thought you were making the point that this was completely astroturfed, and I was just trying to say that it didn't seem that way to me. It seemed accidental and completely genuine. Not saying it's smart of anything like that, just not pre-planned and stage-managed. But if that wasn't your point ... then I misunderstood.
Anyway, sadly, riots and looting - they seem to come with the protest territory. It's dumb, and worse than useless, but there seems to be a long history that that's what happens.
And yeah, pandering to a thoughtless, lazy people. I think it was formally ushered in by Live Aid in 1985 where people would all get together for a really great show and solve Ethiopia's problems forever. "I'd like to teach the world to sing, in perfect harmony ..."
Why is it that nobody on the national level is bringing any of this up? About the deep structural problems that put people in a Roman arena of the war of all against all, I mean? Did the people who have the historical background and should know better look at MLK and decide they'd rather save their skins?
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Quote:No, not astroturfed manipulated
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Sure.
I thought you were making the point that this was completely astroturfed,
Quote:You can't pre=plan a cop killing soneone brutally, but you CAN stage-manage the reaction. Show the video, over and over. "Explain" the protests over and over, Soft-pedal the violence. Don't even bother to look for organizers, or ask about a money trail. Too woo-woo.
and I was just trying to say that it didn't seem that way to me. It seemed accidental and completely genuine. Not saying it's smart of anything like that, just not pre-planned and stage-managed.
Quote:Yep, you misunderstood.
But if that wasn't your point ... then I misunderstood.
Have you not seen films of violent protests in Ukraine? Venezuela? THEY were genuine. They were ALSO stage-managed. The grievances were real... at least, real enough to the protesters. These students (the protesters were almost always students) hated their leader - Chavez, Yanukovich. Hated everything about him. He was taking them in the wrong direction. There are ALWAYS disaffected groups in any society, and Soros and the spook agencies (thru AID, NED and other entities) have been feeding them money for years. Remember "Fuck the EU" Nuland? She bragged that they had spent $5billion in Ukraine over 10 years, fostering disaffection. The money-trail was never brought up until AFTER the color revolution. If you had said that the USA was behind the "spontaneous" rebellion, people would have said you were a crazy conspiracy theorist, but I calculated Nuland's brag: It would have been enough to give every Ukrainian $1000. Real money, really spent on creating real results.
Quote:It depends on the protest organizers ... if there are any ... and how disciplined they are. The Civil Rights marchers were peaceful, and so were the Gilets Jaunes. But if the protesters don't care, or don't have the huevos to kick the looters out, then yes, violence and looting will happem
Anyway, sadly, riots and looting - they seem to come with the protest territory.
Quote:Already explained that it's up to the protesters. Are they committed to peaceful protest, or do they lack the motivation or organizational skills to make t happen?
It's dumb, and worse than useless, but there seems to be a long history that that's what happens.
Quote:Like ... who?
And yeah, pandering to a thoughtless, lazy people. I think it was formally ushered in by Live Aid in 1985 where people would all get together for a really great show and solve Ethiopia's problems forever. "I'd like to teach the world to sing, in perfect harmony ..."
Why is it that nobody on the national level is bringing any of this up?
Corporate media??? Oh, yeah, they're going to explain all of the evils of corporatism to us!
Our political representatives, who've gotten into office on the backs of corporate donations and sponsors?
"Public radio" which depends on corporate sponsors and which has a distinct liberal bent? They just want everything to basically stay the same, but "nicer".
Or the internet, which is being strangled by monopolies in Silicon Valley?
Quote:People ARE bringing this up. despite being de-platformed, demonetized, shadow-banned and blacklisted. (Oh dear me. That's a racist term.)
About the deep structural problems that put people in a Roman arena of the war of all against all, I mean? Did the people who have the historical background and should know better look at MLK and decide they'd rather save their skins?
You're just not finding them. I listen to corporate media, but I scan Zero Hedge (CAUTION!) and RT every day, and also regularly listen to The Duran, which I highly recommend. I think SIX listens to Jimmie Dore. I don't listen to Tucker Carlson regularly but I've been told he has a good show.
I also listen to Chris Martenson (at
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Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Sure.
I thought you were making the point that this was completely astroturfed,
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Signy: No, not astroturfed manipulated
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kiki: and I was just trying to say that it didn't seem that way to me. It seemed accidental and completely genuine. Not saying it's smart of anything like that, just not pre-planned and stage-managed.
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Signy: You can't pre-plan a cop killing someone brutally, but you CAN stage-manage the reaction. Show the video, over and over. "Explain" the protests over and over, Soft-pedal the violence. Don't even bother to look for organizers,
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kiki: But if that wasn't your point ... then I misunderstood.
Quote:Yes - I did bring up Ukraine, just fyi. Because even with the US spending all that money, it could hardly scrape up the kind of nationwide scale like the Floyd protests today. Again, I'm not saying it's smart or anything. But the color revolutions used as pretexts don't seem to have the scale of the Floyd protests.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yep, you misunderstood.
Have you not seen films of violent protests in Ukraine? Venezuela? THEY were genuine. They were ALSO stage-managed. The grievances were real... at least, real enough to the protesters. These students (the protesters were almost always students) hated their leader - Chavez, Yanukovich. Hated everything about him. He was taking them in the wrong direction. There are ALWAYS disaffected groups in any society, and Soros and the spook agencies (thru AID, NED and other entities) have been feeding them money for years. Remember "Fuck the EU" Nuland? She bragged that they had spent $5billion in Ukraine over 10 years, fostering disaffection. The money-trail was never brought up until AFTER the color revolution. If you had said that the USA was behind the "spontaneous" rebellion, people would have said you were a crazy conspiracy theorist, but I calculated Nuland's brag: It would have been enough to give every Ukrainian $1000.
As for the media spin, it's confusing to me how over-hyping the events but soft-peddling any violence, if that's what you are proposing, might serve a purpose. I would think that if this is part of some anti-Trump scheme, one would want to create maximum conflict, or at least the appearance of maximum conflict, to provoke a reaction, to create even more conflict.
I would think one would want to increase the agitation.
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kiki: Anyway, sadly, riots and looting - they seem to come with the protest territory.
Quote:I don't see large-scale organizing here. I was trying to parse out how protests are done nowadays. There was the 'before', where student organizations, civil rights organizations, protest organizations, did - organize - large protests.
Signy: It depends on the protest organizers ... if there are any ... and how disciplined they are. The Civil Rights marchers were peaceful, and so were the Gilets Jaunes. But if the protesters don't care, or don't have the huevos to kick the looters out, then yes, violence and looting will happen.
But now it's diffused onto social media. Aside from the already-existing organizations (eg: antifa, boogaloo bois) who don't seem to have the numbers to pull off national protests on their own but instead piggyback on existing events, there don't seem to be driving large-scale ones.
Remember Occupy? My mind was changed about its success because it was pointed out to me that now the wealth and power distribution is part of the conversation. That was a national movement loosely organized, and mostly non-violent except for the piggy-backers. But despite it all, it had no political plan, and did end up evaporating.
I think Black Lives Matter will end up the same, but even less effective.
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kiki: It's dumb, and worse than useless, but there seems to be a long history that that's what happens.
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What I meant was that the media pretending this was all rainbows and unicorn farts made it more likely that people would come out and join the protests because they thought it was all rainbows and unicorn farts, swelling the numbers.
Jesse Jackson? Al Sharpton? I think they see everything in black/white terms. MLK was the one changing the focus to economic justice and foreign policy, and look where it got HIM. The people that I mentioned are economists or economic commentators.
Just to round out the list, The Saker is particularly good at military analysis, especially of Europe. Pepe Escobar is a geopolitical analyst specially good with Middle Eastern affairs. South Front has a daily update about the military situation in Syria. Paul Joseph Watson is a cultural satirist. Paul Craig Roberts comments on American politics. I've already linked "A Century of Self" about the push towards individualism ("progressive atomization of society") and consumerism. There was a long video about the formation of The Fed by some religious guy, but it had a tremendous amount of research into it and it REALLY opened my eyes about the role of banks ("rentier capitalists" of money and serial counterfeiters) and especially The Fed's role in driving wealth inequality. I'll see if I can find it again, but you can also read "All the President's Bankers" by Nomi Prins. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17836501-all-the-presidents-banker
s
People will have a hard time finding these sites because google and youtube no longer provide an unbiased list of "recommended content" based on your most recent views, but have decided to "curate" them for you based on their political leanings, so it is unlikely that you would come across them or some of the more extreme sites on your own. But to reiterate, I recommend The Duran. I disagree with some of their viewpoints and their occasional commentator Peter Lavelle is all sputtering, inarticulate huffiness, but they tackle a wide variety of topics across the world and always have something interesting to say.
You might think that the Maidan movement was paltry by comparison, but it was big enough and sufficiently supported by our spooks to overthrow a government. If you think THIS movement is bigger, all the more reason to be concerned that it too will be used to overthrow a government.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
What I meant was that the media pretending this was all rainbows and unicorn farts made it more likely that people would come out and join the protests because they thought it was all rainbows and unicorn farts, swelling the numbers.
Jesse Jackson? Al Sharpton? I think they see everything in black/white terms. MLK was the one changing the focus to economic justice and foreign policy, and look where it got HIM. The people that I mentioned are economists or economic commentators.
Just to round out the list, The Saker is particularly good at military analysis, especially of Europe. Pepe Escobar is a geopolitical analyst specially good with Middle Eastern affairs. South Front has a daily update about the military situation in Syria. Paul Joseph Watson is a cultural satirist. Paul Craig Roberts comments on American politics. I've already linked "A Century of Self" about the push towards individualism ("progressive atomization of society") and consumerism. There was a long video about the formation of The Fed by some religious guy, but it had a tremendous amount of research into it and it REALLY opened my eyes about the role of banks ("rentier capitalists" of money and serial counterfeiters) and especially The Fed's role in driving wealth inequality. I'll see if I can find it again, but you can also read "All the President's Bankers" by Nomi Prins. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17836501-all-the-presidents-banker
s
People will have a hard time finding these sites because google and youtube no longer provide an unbiased list of "recommended content" based on your most recent views, but have decided to "curate" them for you based on their political leanings, so it is unlikely that you would come across them or some of the more extreme sites on your own. But to reiterate, I recommend The Duran. I disagree with some of their viewpoints and their occasional commentator Peter Lavelle is all sputtering, inarticulate huffiness, but they tackle a wide variety of topics across the world and always have something interesting to say.
You might think that the Maidan movement was paltry by comparison, but it was big enough and sufficiently supported by our spooks to overthrow a government. If you think THIS movement is bigger, all the more reason to be concerned that it too will be used to overthrow a government.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
#WEARAMASK
The reason this has gotten out of hand is because Barack Obama is gay.
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Quote:I sort of mentioned that. That folk who are historic enuf to know better might have looked at MLK and decided to save their own skins. But maybe they're just naturally blind.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
What I meant was that the media pretending this was all rainbows and unicorn farts made it more likely that people would come out and join the protests because they thought it was all rainbows and unicorn farts, swelling the numbers.
Jesse Jackson? Al Sharpton? I think they see everything in black/white terms. MLK was the one changing the focus to economic justice and foreign policy, and look where it got HIM.
Quote:I don't access them all, but enough to get the drift. While it's true everyone could always learn more, I don't think I need to have my eyes opened to the vista. I still fault presumptive civil right leaders for not bringing up the economic topic. The silence is deafening from the people who might be most useful to the BLM movement.
The people that I mentioned are economists or economic commentators.
Just to round out the list, The Saker is particularly good at military analysis, especially of Europe. Pepe Escobar is a geopolitical analyst specially good with Middle Eastern affairs. South Front has a daily update about the military situation in Syria. Paul Joseph Watson is a cultural satirist. Paul Craig Roberts comments on American politics. I've already linked "A Century of Self" about the push towards individualism ("progressive atomization of society") and consumerism. There was a long video about the formation of The Fed by some religious guy, but it had a tremendous amount of research into it and it REALLY opened my eyes about the role of banks ("rentier capitalists" of money and serial counterfeiters) and especially The Fed's role in driving wealth inequality. I'll see if I can find it again, but you can also read "All the President's Bankers" by Nomi Prins. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17836501-all-the-presidents-banker
s
People will have a hard time finding these sites because google and youtube no longer provide an unbiased list of "recommended content" based on your most recent views, but have decided to "curate" them for you based on their political leanings, so it is unlikely that you would come across them or some of the more extreme sites on your own. But to reiterate, I recommend The Duran. I disagree with some of their viewpoints and their occasional commentator Peter Lavelle is all sputtering, inarticulate huffiness, but they tackle a wide variety of topics across the world and always have something interesting to say.
Quote:Hmmm ... I think this movement is too big to be hastily steered on the QT. But needs consideration.
You might think that the Maidan movement was paltry by comparison, but it was big enough and sufficiently supported by our spooks to overthrow a government. If you think THIS movement is bigger, all the more reason to be concerned that it too will be used to overthrow a government.
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If all you're doing is trying to create chaos then it doesn't need to be directed.
But it's ridiculously easy to "direct" Americans. I'm sure you can come up with a lot of recent examples, everything from RUSSIA RUSSIA! to the iPhone
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Yeah, it's true - many Americans are SUPER gullible.
Though WHO they believe is remarkably flexible! They believed the dubya administration when it came to WMDs, and then they believed 'sources' when it came to RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA! Well, many people of the hyperventilating never-Trumpers type did.
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