Long hot summer ... of riots
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UPDATED: Tuesday, September 1, 2026 18:10
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yanno, I'm pretty pissed at Trump about some things and I was seriously thinking of not voting this election ...
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Quote:The difference between you and Signy is that Signy understands Trump isn't god. You, otoh, have tds.
]Originally posted by JAGOFF:
Agreed.
Hey Kiki. I guess Sigs and I are both looking at the same "extremist" websites.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
He's not God. I've never said that.
He IS the best president we've had in my lifetime though.
And I do realize that isn't saying much.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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KIKI. I'm sure the reaction ... your reaction, other reactions... are genuine. They're just EASILY MANIPULATED. If you put an image up in front of people that's horrific enough, people stop thinking and start reacting. People really were worried about Iraq's WMD. Some people are still convinced that Trump is Putin's agent. All genuine reactions.
If you want to ANALYZE a situation, you need to be stone cold ... cold. No emotion. For instance, did the police not know they were being videoed? Because it was taken very close up ... close enough to get good sound.
I thought this was an interesting take (from the Saker):
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I have lived in the United States for a total of 24 years and I have witnessed many crises over this long period, but what is taking place today is truly unique and much more serious than any previous crisis I can recall. And to explain my point, I would like to begin by saying what I believe the riots we are seeing taking place in hundreds of US cities are not about. They are not about:
Racism or “White privilege”
Police violence
Social alienation and despair
Poverty
Trump
The liberals pouring fuel on social fires
The infighting of the US elites/deep state
They are not about any of these because they encompass all of these issues, and more.
It is important to always keep in mind the distinction between the concepts of “cause” and “pretext”. And while it is true that all the factors listed above are real (at least to some degree, and without looking at the distinction between cause and effect), none of them are the true cause of what we are witnessing. At most, the above are pretexts, triggers if you want, but the real cause of what is taking place today is the systemic collapse of the US society.
... For a society, any society, to function a number of factors that make up the social contract need to be present. The exact list that make up these factors will depend on each individual country, but they would typically include some kind of social consensus, the acceptance by most people of the legitimacy of the government and its institutions, often a unifying ideology or, at least, common values, the presence of a stable middle-class, the reasonable hope for a functioning “social life”, educational institutions etc. Finally, and cynically, it always helps the ruling elites if they can provide enough circuses (TV) and bread (food) to most citizens.
BTW, our Canadian friend, who used to be a journalist and who has lived in Egypt, Israel. Nicaragua, and Japan and who knows journalists around the world, also knows Antifa in Canada AND Europe. So they are a very real organization and pretty deeply embedded with the Greens, for example, in Germany. But AFA the Boogaloo Bois ... I didn't see any Hawaiian shirts around, did you?
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The local Samz Clubs clozed early today. Got there about 5:15. A departing employee sed they cloed due to the protests. There werent any there. Havent herd uv any in that area. She looked happy to be getting out early.
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Meanwhile, the NASDAQ hit an all-time high.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
KIKI. I'm sure the reaction ... your reaction, other reactions... are genuine. They're just EASILY MANIPULATED. If you put an image up in front of people that's horrific enough, people stop thinking and start reacting. People really were worried about Iraq's WMD. Some people are still convinced that Trump is Putin's agent. All genuine reactions.
If you want to ANALYZE a situation, you need to be stone cold ... cold. No emotion. For instance, did the police not know they were being videoed? Because it was taken very close up ... close enough to get good sound.
I thought this was an interesting take (from the Saker):
Quote:
I have lived in the United States for a total of 24 years and I have witnessed many crises over this long period, but what is taking place today is truly unique and much more serious than any previous crisis I can recall. And to explain my point, I would like to begin by saying what I believe the riots we are seeing taking place in hundreds of US cities are not about. They are not about:
Racism or “White privilege”
Police violence
Social alienation and despair
Poverty
Trump
The liberals pouring fuel on social fires
The infighting of the US elites/deep state
They are not about any of these because they encompass all of these issues, and more.
It is important to always keep in mind the distinction between the concepts of “cause” and “pretext”. And while it is true that all the factors listed above are real (at least to some degree, and without looking at the distinction between cause and effect), none of them are the true cause of what we are witnessing. At most, the above are pretexts, triggers if you want, but the real cause of what is taking place today is the systemic collapse of the US society.
... For a society, any society, to function a number of factors that make up the social contract need to be present. The exact list that make up these factors will depend on each individual country, but they would typically include some kind of social consensus, the acceptance by most people of the legitimacy of the government and its institutions, often a unifying ideology or, at least, common values, the presence of a stable middle-class, the reasonable hope for a functioning “social life”, educational institutions etc. Finally, and cynically, it always helps the ruling elites if they can provide enough circuses (TV) and bread (food) to most citizens.
Quote:Yes, btw, the police were aware they were being videoed, since some of the people aiming their cell phones were also asking them to let Floyd up, and pointing out to them that he wasn't moving.
BTW, our Canadian friend, who used to be a journalist and who has lived in Egypt, Israel. Nicaragua, and Japan and who knows journalists around the world, also knows Antifa in Canada AND Europe. So they are a very real organization and pretty deeply embedded with the Greens, for example, in Germany. But AFA the Boogaloo Bois ... I didn't see any Hawaiian shirts around, did you?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
#WEARAMASK
I explained how I was horrified, to explain how OTHER people were horrified. That that's why they did what they did. That's what moved people into the streets.
I also posted that the video was a spark set to pre-laid, long-dried kindling. I'm not so naive as to think that at its heart, this is just about one man being killed, rather than about a systemic machine grinding people down. It's just a very effective trigger.
Not all Boogaloo Bois wear Hawaiian shirts.
Finally, I'm well aware more than a few third-parties are exploiting this as much as possible. Also, I find the reaction of the (national evening news - ABC/ NBC/ PBS th
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
KIKI. I'm sure the reaction ... your reaction, other reactions... are genuine. They're just EASILY MANIPULATED. If you put an image up in front of people that's horrific enough, people stop thinking and start reacting. People really were worried about Iraq's WMD. Some people are still convinced that Trump is Putin's agent. All genuine reactions.
If you want to ANALYZE a situation, you need to be stone cold ... cold. No emotion. For instance, did the police not know they were being videoed? Because it was taken very close up ... close enough to get good sound.
I thought this was an interesting take (from the Saker):Quote:
I have lived in the United States for a total of 24 years and I have witnessed many crises over this long period, but what is taking place today is truly unique and much more serious than any previous crisis I can recall. And to explain my point, I would like to begin by saying what I believe the riots we are seeing taking place in hundreds of US cities are not about. They are not about:
Racism or “White privilege”
Police violence
Social alienation and despair
Poverty
Trump
The liberals pouring fuel on social fires
The infighting of the US elites/deep state
They are not about any of these because they encompass all of these issues, and more.
It is important to always keep in mind the distinction between the concepts of “cause” and “pretext”. And while it is true that all the factors listed above are real (at least to some degree, and without looking at the distinction between cause and effect), none of them are the true cause of what we are witnessing. At most, the above are pretexts, triggers if you want, but the real cause of what is taking place today is the systemic collapse of the US society.
... For a society, any society, to function a number of factors that make up the social contract need to be present. The exact list that make up these factors will depend on each individual country, but they would typically include some kind of social consensus, the acceptance by most people of the legitimacy of the government and its institutions, often a unifying ideology or, at least, common values, the presence of a stable middle-class, the reasonable hope for a functioning “social life”, educational institutions etc. Finally, and cynically, it always helps the ruling elites if they can provide enough circuses (TV) and bread (food) to most citizens.
BTW, our Canadian friend, who used to be a journalist and who has lived in Egypt, Israel. Nicaragua, and Japan and who knows journalists around the world, also knows Antifa in Canada AND Europe. So they are a very real organization and pretty deeply embedded with the Greens, for example, in Germany. But AFA the Boogaloo Bois ... I didn't see any Hawaiian shirts around, did you?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
#WEARAMASK
Kiki's reaction for months over the virus shows that she is incapable of rational thought when she's triggered.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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What I noticed about the M$M is that they persisted in calling these events "protests" long after it became clear that they included riots and looting, and that there's a huge dollop of guilt-tripping and hand-wringing in popular media about how this is all about "white folk" oppressing "black folk".
Yanno those popup articles that show up on your homepage whether you want to see them or not? (Usually some harmless listicle like "the eight ways to hack your sleep" or some longform about the time the author lost her kitten)
Well, this just popped up today ...
Quote:white folks? Isn't that just as prejudice as lumping everyone of darker hue as "black folks" like they're all the same?
Reckoning with white supremacy: Five fundamentals for white folks
Quote:Jeezus. Do you know what I see? Enduring violence against everybody. Students pushed against the "student loan" wall. Families that can't afford health insurance. Young people who can't afford a home, or an apartment, or even a room, on their gig/McJob, assuming they even have one. Old women eating cat food. Everyone is being ground down. This isn't a black/white thing, or a man/woman thing, or a young/old thing. This is people being pitted against each other by the 0.01%.
As demonstrations in response to the murders of George Floyd, Ahmaud Arbery, Breonna Taylor, and countless others gain momentum across the United States, many white people nationwide are being forced to confront the idea that flashpoints like this are not isolated missteps within an otherwise faithful system. Rather, more and more white folks are realizing each day that the very fabric of our society is in fact based on enduring violence against Black people and other marginalized groups.
Quote:Curiously, it is the northeast states that are the most prejudiced, but it's easy to stand up southerners as the enemy du jour.
In this time, the sharing of trauma-porn and reactionary social-media solidarity—while perhaps the most readily available avenue of action for most—are nowhere near suitable surrogates for a factual, historical understanding of this moment.
Southerners are no strangers to white supremacy and police brutality. From slavery to secession, the KKK to “states rights” strategies, from Jim Crow to mass incarceration—we’ve been here before.
Quote:Like? Such as? This sort of vague generalized criticism is designed to make anyone white feel guilty for... something. Anything. Whatever.
If you’re a “well-meaning” white person feeling lost in your own self-actualization process, here are five basic ideas you must grasp:
1. White supremacy is not “just” racism.
Racism often refers to acts of overt, intentional prejudice and visions of social order that debase people of color while glorifying whiteness. But white supremacy is a systemic and systematic phenomenon woven throughout our society—rather than just the work of racist individuals who intentionally and maliciously discriminate. Our institutions and social practices themselves prop up white advantage and protect white communities, while making Black and brown people vulnerable to exploitation, domination, and violence.
Quote:It's not "white" power that's the problem. The extremely wealthy elite are all colors and nationalities. They only have one thing in common: THEY are the ones in power.
Conceiving of white supremacy as a problem of individual bad actors is too limited. It reduces a deep social problem to narrow questions ("Are they racist?" "Is this racist?") and shallow defensiveness ("I’m not being racist, but..."), while ignoring that white supremacy is not just a vestigial remnant of the past. White supremacy’s inequities are actively reproduced across history and through the present, in new forms and with new mechanisms of white power.
Anyway, the article goes on and on about trivia. What a dodge
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I'll read the rest in a bit, but I do all my inet in anonymous mode, so I don't get those listicles.
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To go back a bit: "KIKI. I'm sure the reaction ... your reaction, other reactions... are genuine. They're just EASILY MANIPULATED. If you put an image up in front of people that's horrific enough, people stop thinking and start reacting."
Uh ... I'm not being manipulated, despite my emotional reaction. You don't see me on the street, do you? I WAS trying to explain how it might be that people are reacting so strongly TO THIS while other instances go unremarked. Because it truly is, as you say, horrific enough.
Anyway, I was just pointing out that people are truly reacting. You don't need to posit some third, fourth, fifth ... nth political group to understand that. The video speaks for itself. So I don't understand why you would bring up antifa or the proud bois. It seems kind of peripheral to this. But, you brought them up, so I was attempting to discuss them, as examples of the many groups trying to jigger this to their own advantage.
I was even pointing out that Floyd is the proximate cause of why they're doing what they're doing, but not the real reason. Floyd is the spark meeting the long history of pre-built kindling and logs.
I'm not disagreeing. I'm restating in my own way.
And yes, all this is ineffective kabuki. The righteous outrage. The humble prostrations. The plea to let us all just join together in human commonality. But no one seems politically smart enough on the national stage to outline the issues and solutions.
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