Some Covid-19 thoughts
POSTED BY: captaincrunch
UPDATED: Monday, September 29, 2025 18:59
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Quote:Yes, my apologies, I knew it was "percent" so thoroughly that I forget to write down the symbol, but when I did the calculation I automatically onverted it to 0.004 (or 0.003)
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Signy forgot to add the % symbol
AND
your math is still wrong.
When YOU looked at the 0.004 CDC figure YOU thought it meant 0.004% .
IT DOESN'T.
It meant 0.004 FRACTION. Or, for those who can read and do simple math, 0.4%
So try your math again and tell me - does 325M * 0.4% = 500,000 like you ... HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ha ha ha ha ... ... figure?
'Cause if you think so, your problem goes beyond mere stupid.
So, have you figured out that number yet, SIX?
It's close to ONE MILLION. That's what I've been saying all along: hundreds of thousands to millions* Because I KNEW that the reported fatality rate was too high (because of lack of representative population sampling) and I divided the apparent "case fatality rate" by ten, and once the three serology studies came out I had an actual infection rate to look at.
The figures YOU accept, the ones that YOU say demonstrates that this virus is "no worse than a cold" would lead to ONE MILLION DEATHS in the USA in YOUR scenario.
Just try to get a sense of proportionality about this, SIX. At least understand what order of magnitude you're dealing with: Automobile accidents account for about 35,000 deaths per year. Flu deaths for an estimated 20,000-50,000 in most years. Colds? Wow, how many people die of a cold each year? Ten? I don't think that even registers in the "top twenty-five".
Now, I realize that this virus may play out over more than a year. It might be like the Spansh Flu which came in three waves over a year-and-a-half. So let's say its 500,000 per year. Do you like that figure better? Still "no worse than a cold"? Still fewer deaths than car accidents?
Let's get to your "death overcounts".
When older people die, there are almost always contributing factors. Systems are weak, and when one system fails it tends to push other systems over the edge. So let's say you got kidney failure. Fluid builds up, and then you get fluid in your lungs. Then your heart has to pump harder, and eventually gives out. What did you die of? Kidney failure? Respiratory failure? Heart failure?
When a person who is stable but has weakened systems ... say, a heart that isn't strong ... gets Covid-19, it sets off a chain reaction. Blood clots in the lungs, the heart has to pump harder to push blood through clotted lung capillaries. Oxygen saturation levels fall and make the heart work harder. Eventually the heart give out. What did they die of? Heart failure?
True, they may have had some pre-existing conditions, but chances are they would have lived another ELEVEN YEARS, on the average, before Covid-19 pushed them over the edge.
If you count ANY death that occurs along with a positive Covid-19 test as a Covid death, you will probably have a few overcounts. Say, someone fell off a ladder and died. (Hmm... otoh. Covid-19 causes such "unfelt" depletion of blood O2 that it can cause people to pass out unexpectedly, so it may be a contributing factor to car accidents and ladder accidents ... but I digress). Let's assume there are some overcounts where a Covid infection played absolutely NO ROLE in someone's death.
OTOH there are also undercounts. People may never have been tested, especially in the early days, or their RNA tests may have come back as false negative because sometimes it's pretty hard to capture that darn virus for testing when people are alive (it may have moved beyond their nose and throat and into their lungs) and I don't think all deaths are tested for viral fragments post-mortem.
"Excess deaths" seem to indicate
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Quote:Maybe they have to get out a shovel and rake and do something essential like grow/raise their own food (for anyone with a backyard. 67% of the population lives in rural or suburban situation) because, I don't know about you but eating seems pretty essential. Maybe they exchange tasks like "I'll make or repair your clothes if you fix my car". Maybe they hire themselves out to agricultural giants to lay irrigation pipe or pick berries. Maybe become your neighborhood EMT and get paid in chickens. Or you take care of someone's granny while THEY go out and earn some cash. Small engine repair. Hard work, not much reward. What did people do in the Great Depression? Whatever it took.
SIGNY: Here's the funny thing: you whine that men are going to off themselves when they are not longer able to acquire any of that funny-money that you seem to think is useless, and you whine when men are suddenly faced with actually having to WORK for a living when other nations stop accepting our funny-money.
So what, exactly, are you complaining about?
SIX: Go back to work doing WHAT
YOU have land, do you not? Grow a garden, raise some chickens. YOU'VE got a house that you say is too big for you, do you not? Rent a room!
Stop whining.
This has to do with who owns the "means of production" ... the factories and steel mills and chemical plants and land ... until we have wrenched those back from the elite and start manufacturing again we will be forced to live at a subsistence level using the few tools at our disposal. There aren't many real jobs out there. Until we start manufacturing again, it's going to be tough.
Quote:Why are you hoping for all of these non-essential jobs to come back? Do you LIKE getting paid shit for shit jobs?
There are now 35 million more people unemployed that have been told for 60 days that they were unessential. How many of those jobs do you think are going to come back? Maybe half of them if we're lucky.
Quote:I would especially like to see "banker", "internet mogul", "financial analyst", "investment advisor", "internet influencer", "greeter" and "barrista" disappear.
SIX: Where are these magic jobs going to come from?
Quote:Not at all. I think the dollar (specifically) is going to crash because there is little of real value backing it up. But the wealthy DO own real assets.
SIGNY: FOR WHO? Not for the wealthy elite! They'll still have their chateaux in the mountains, and their private island retreats and, if worse comes to worst, their bunkers in New Zealand. You seem to think the wealthy envision sharing a common future with the rest of us, when their entire life experience have told them no such thing.
SIX: You seem to be putting a much larger importance on money backed by paper than you should be.
Quote:I think they really don't give us all that much thought, except for (1) how we can be exploited and (2) whether we form a security threat to them. How much do you think about grasshoppers? That's about how much we are thought of. We live in our world and they live in theirs until they need to use us, or we form a threat.
SIX: Do you believe that the wealthy elite all agree with each other that global warming isn't real and that we haven't contributed to it? Or a more accurate question is, do you believe that 100% of the wealthy elite are so absolutely certain that global warming isn't real and we don't contribute to it that they're willing to risk allowing our severe overpopulation problem along with our ever increasing carbon footprint to grow unchecked so they can have more slaves?
I mean, really... How many slaves are enough? Where's the ROI on having 7 Billion slaves when half of them are "non-essential"? That's not very Six Sigma.
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That's an extra 3.5 Billion mouths to feed that don't need to be fed. An extra 3.5 Billion peNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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Okay. So... I'm done with these insanely long posts that we need to spend far too much time formatting, since all they do is serve to end up with us both talking over and/or past each other.
So I'm going to try something different now and only reply to 1 or 2 points. From there, you can reply to this post or bring up another point you had. I'm not going to spend an hour replying to a post that has 15 points on it anymore, since the longer this goes on the more obscene that gets.
Here it goes...
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Why are you hoping for all of these non-essential jobs to come back? Do you LIKE getting paid shit for shit jobs?
A few points I should make to this question:
1. What is essential and non-essential is highly subjective. A perfect example would be the smoke shop run by the only Indian guy I ever see in my area. His prices are fair and he's earned my loyalty. Our governor shut his store and likely his entire livelihood down. In the mean time, I've been perfectly free to order the products online, which I'm sure was something that was already killing his business before the shutdown happened.
2. We've already discussed overpopulation and how it relates to jobs years ago. I've already known that most of our existences, particularly through our vocation, are superfluous and said as much back then. This is new news to 35 million or so Americans.
3. I'd bet that if you looked into what jobs are still deemed essential, 25% of them are still minimum wage shit jobs, and more than 50% of them pay less than $15 per hour, and it's very likely that most of them don't include benefits like health insurance. Even if they did, you still have to pay for the health insurance.
Point number 4 is the question I asked next but you didn't really answer...
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SIX: Where are these magic jobs going to come from?
SIGS: I would especially like to see "banker", "internet mogul", "financial analyst", "investment advisor", "internet influencer", "greeter" and "barrista" disappear.
Okay. Me too, if you want my opinion. But except for the short time Starbucks shut down, "barrista" was the only one out of work even in this shutdown. They might not actually be essential, but none of them were ever deemed non-essential. I'm sure if you asked any of them they would feel highly insulted if you insinuated that what they do for a living isn't essential, and the fact that they weren't put out of business by the government in the last 60 days would really be all the justification they'd need in their argument.
But seriously... Where are these magic essential jobs for 35 million Americans going to come from?
I'd love for the answer to be jobs upgrading and updating our crumbling and antiquated infrastructure. But who's going to pay for it?
And if the answer to that is "The Government", great!
But if that extremely unlikely scenario ever unfolds, I can't help but wonder exactly how far back in the queue I'm going to be as a white male. If this new Government Infrastructure Jobs Project were a train, I'm assuming I'd be sitting in the back of the caboose.
Just sayin.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Pity the poor white male who so cleverly made every wrong decision in its life, and so cleverly landed itself in its own little self-created hell. With a trainwreck of a life.
Your problem JACKshit, isn't being a white male, it's being so INSANELY entitled and resentful you've done everything opposite of what you had to do to make a good life for yourself. Because you shouldn't HAVE to go to college and get a worthwhile degree AND COMPETE WITH OVERSEAS CHEAP LABOR to get a good paying job like everyone else. You're too special for that.
So clever of you. So smart.
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Whatever, fag.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Enjoy your 'brilliantly' done self-made hell!
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New Brunswick has had a outbreak at a health centre. The worker had just come back from Quebec and instead of self-isolating for 14 days they went back to work. 5 others are now infected because of this person's carelessness.
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How this virus moves in a population isn't clear to me. It can linger at low levels forever in some places, but explode in others. I'm not sure epidemiologists have a handle on it, except in the crudest sense of grand averages over hundreds of thousands or millions. It seems the only answer until we know enough is for everyone to be careful for the sake of others.
But too many people are too ready to write off everyone but themselves and their own little demographic as not worth the inconvenience.
Sigh.
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
How this virus moves in a population isn't clear to me.
Nothing is clear to you.
You're a retard.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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