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Some Covid-19 thoughts
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Wednesday, May 27, 2020 3:49 AM
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Wrong
Yes. You are wrong in your assertion that I'm wrong.
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Wrong.
Yes. You are also wrong again in this assertion that I'm wrong.
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But, good question: why not kill off a bunch of people? Maybe because if you kill off enough people, SOME wealth will concentrate among the sheeple, and the goal is to make the sheeple poor, not to make people dead?
The sheeple are already poor. You're a boomer at the end of your life who still has some of the pie. You just haven't noticed it in your own life that everyone after you is fucked. With or without the Coomph we'd have all been poor and unable to afford any type of insurance for anything within another 20 years.
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I'm not saying it was, either. Altho there is some speculation that the virus was developed here and sent (via international games held in China) to China via USA athletes. But I do have to ask: Cui bono?
There's always speculation. It's fun to speculate.
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China doesn't win. As "factory tho the world" their real economy suffered more than ours (so far).
Yes. That's what I said.
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"Fortress Russia" turned out not to be impregnable to a virus.
They weren't even on my radar, honestly.
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many of the large, poor, disorganized nations ... India, Brazil, Bangladesh, Indonesia ... will take a big death toll hit.
No they won't. But none of them did it either. The fear of what the repercussions would be if America, China or Russia discovered that they did it intentionally alone would be enough to dissuade them... unless we're talking about a mad dictator who singlehandedly went off the rails or something.
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The only winner so far is The Fed because it has 'lent' many big banks ... including international ones ... an unimaginable amount of money and now has them in thrall. The EU central bank (ECB) so far has not been able to crank up digital money-creation because the nation backstopping such loans ... Germany... won't go along with it.
No more in their thrall than they already were. Our currency has been monopoly money for longer than I've been alive. This didn't just happen in the last 2 months.
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It isn't. If you can drop out of the workforce and nobody goes hungry or naked or sick or unhoused, then what were you doing, exactly? Polishing doorknobs?
Then figure out UBI or something. And then figure out a way to keep people busy that doesn't involve jacking off all day and watching Netflix. Because we're on the precipice of an unprecedented amount of suicides when the realization hits millions that their existence is superfluous. Particularly among males.
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Why would the elite kill off a bunch of people? Has it not occurred to you that the elite want an entire WORLD full of desperately poor people who have no control over their future? Maybe their idea of heaven is billions of people in such miserable conditions that they're willing to do ANYthing ... sell their kidneys, their hearts, their babies ... to extend the lives of the elite. Yanno, their idea of heaven could be our idea of hell.
Overpopulation. It is the real crisis of the 21st century. Just because you're playing dumb about it doesn't mean that people smarter and far more powerful than us don't know that and aren't making plans.
Maybe the plan is to catalyze en-masse suicide. Then the media can say that they did it to themselves.
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And here I am, telling them that they should get up off their asses, step away from whatever screen they're looking at, and MAKE themselves essential. Take back control of government and economic policy. Stop begging for "more of the same but worse" and start working towards something better.
And how exactly do you make yourself "essential"?
There's too many
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Wednesday, May 27, 2020 4:26 AM
Quote:Do you even have a ballpark figure in your head as to how many people die of automobile accidents every year? I do. You, apparently, don't. You might want to look that up instead of speaking from your ass.
SIX ...instead of wiping out less people in a year than die from automobile accidents
SIGNY:Wrong
SIX: Yes. You are wrong in your assertion that I'm wrong.
Quote:Do you have any idea how many additional years those people would have lived if not for Covid-19? I do. You might want to look that up instead of speaking from your ass.
SIX: ... most of whom were close to checking out anyhow.
SIGNY: Wrong.
SIX: Yes. You are also wrong again in this assertion that I'm wrong.
Quote:People MY age are fucked. That handyman, that homeless sometime gardener, people in my own close family? They got fucked, too. It's not just people "after me" ... like everyone my age has it made ... EVERYONE is getting fucked. That's why there's 70-year-old Walmart greeters. Jeezus, SIX, stop feeling so specially picked on!
SIGNY: But, good question: why not kill off a bunch of people? Maybe because if you kill off enough people, SOME wealth will concentrate among the sheeple, and the goal is to make the sheeple poor, not to make people dead?
SIX: The sheeple are already poor. You're a boomer at the end of your life who still has some of the pie. You just haven't noticed it in your own life that everyone after you is fucked.
Quote:Apparently you haven't looked into the Fed balance sheet lately, nor the Exchange Stabilization Fund. Again, you might want to look that up instead of speaking out of your ass.
SIGNY: The only winner so far is The Fed because it has 'lent' many big banks ... including international ones ... an unimaginable amount of money and now has them in thrall. The EU central bank (ECB) so far has not been able to crank up digital money-creation because the nation backstopping such loans ... Germany... won't go along with it.
SIX: No more in their thrall than they already were. Our currency has been monopoly money for longer than I've been alive. This didn't just happen in the last 2 months.
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Wednesday, May 27, 2020 8:34 AM
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Do you even have a ballpark figure in your head as to how many people die of automobile accidents every year? I do. You, apparently, don't. You might want to look that up instead of speaking from your ass.
Not my ass, but the WHO does have the stink of a bunch of assholes running that show.
But yeah... 1.25 MILLION globally in 2013, according to the WHO, since you asked.
https://www.who.int/gho/road_safety/mortality/traffic_deaths_number/en/
Yup. I'm right again. Thank you very much.
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Do you have any idea how many additional years those people would have lived if not for Covid-19? I do. You might want to look that up instead of speaking from your ass.
Of the very small amount of people who actually died of the Coomph, and not all those bullshit inflated numbers by adding a bunch of deaths that weren't due to the Coomph, not many.
If you are younger than the average life expectancy of a human being, you have almost ZERO to worry about even if you catch it. FACT.
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People MY age are fucked. That handyman, that homeless sometime gardener, people in my own close family? They got fucked, too. It's not just people "after me" ... like everyone my age has it made ... EVERYONE is getting fucked. That's why there's 70-year-old Walmart greeters. Jeezus, SIX, stop feeling so specially picked on!
The only difference is that we're all going to be WalMart greeters when my generation is your age. Without retirement funds. Without any meaningful health insurance.
Oh, wait... half of us are non-essential now. We're going to wish we could be WalMart greeters.
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Apparently you haven't looked into the Fed balance sheet lately, nor the Exchange Stabilization Fund. Again, you might want to look that up instead of speaking out of your ass.
What the fuck does it matter if we're talking billions or trillions when it's all monopoly money. So what that they have more paper and ones and zeros. They already owned everything long before The Coomph made you piss your panties.
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Breath, bated...
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Wednesday, May 27, 2020 8:59 AM
Quote:In the United States? Got THAT figure handy?
SIGNYM: Do you even have a ballpark figure in your head as to how many people die of automobile accidents every year? I do. You, apparently, don't. You might want to look that up instead of speaking from your ass.
SIX: ...yeah... 1.25 MILLION globally in 2013, according to the WHO, since you asked.
In the USA it used to be as high as 57,000. But various safety measures like airbags and seatbelts have reduced it to around 37,000 per year. Meanwhile, about 100,000 people have died of Covid-19 so far this year, and we're only at the end of May. So your fart-thought that "more people die of car accidents" is wrong.
As usual.
Quote:Bullshit
SIGNY: Do you have any idea how many additional years those people would have lived if not for Covid-19? I do. You might want to look that up instead of speaking from your ass.
SIX: Of the very small amount of people who actually died of the Coomph
Quote:By calculating the average life expectancy of categories of people matched by age. sex, and comorbidities, it's been found that for the average person dying of Covid-19, their life was cut short by 11 years.
, and not all those bullshit inflated numbers by adding a bunch of deaths that weren't due to the Coomph, not many.
Quote:Wow, sounding like a whiny karen much?
SIGNY: People MY age are fucked. That handyman, that homeless sometime gardener, people in my own close family? They got fucked, too. It's not just people "after me" ... like everyone my age has it made ... EVERYONE is getting fucked. That's why there's 70-year-old Walmart greeters. Jeezus, SIX, stop feeling so specially picked on!
SIX: The only difference is that we're all going to be WalMart greeters when my generation is your age. Without retirement funds. Without any meaningful health insurance. Oh, wait... half of us are non-essential now. We're going to wish we could be WalMart greeters.
Yanno, for a smart person you sure are awfully stupid. Where do you think your health care and retirement money are going, son? Into the pockets of the wealthy. NOT your dad. He only comes to mind because you see him around once in a while, and his wealth is comprehensible by you. You never see the really wealthy, and their wealth is apparently beyond your imagination.
Quote:Well, if THAT'S how you feel, then why are you pissing and moaning about not having any of it, Karen?
SIGNY: Apparently you haven't looked into the Fed balance sheet lately, nor the Exchange Stabilization Fund. Again, you might want to look that up instead of speaking out of your ass.
SIX: What the fuck does it matter if we're talking billions or trillions when it's all monopoly money. So what that they have more paper and ones and zeros.
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Wednesday, May 27, 2020 9:14 AM
Just for context
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American billionaires got $434 billion richer during the pandemic
* U.S. billionaires saw their fortunes soar by $434 billion during the nation's lockdown between mid-March and mid-May, according to a new report.
*Amazon's Jeff Bezos and Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg had the biggest gains.
*Bezos added $34.6 billion to his wealth and Zuckerberg picked up $25 billion.
America's billionaires saw their fortunes soar by $434 billion during the U.S. lockdown between mid-March and mid-May, according to a new report.
Amazon's Jeff Bezos and Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg had the biggest gains, with Bezos adding $34.6 billion to his wealth and Zuckerberg adding $25 billion, according to the report from Americans for Tax Fairness and the Institute for Policy Studies' Program for Inequality. The report is based on Forbes data for America's more than 600 billionaires between March 18, when most states were in lockdown, and May 19.
The billionaire gains highlight how the coronavirus pandemic has rewarded the largest and most tech-focused companies, even as the economy and labor force grapples with the worst economic crisis in recent history.
According to the report, the net worth of America's billionaires grew 15% during the two-month period, to $3.382 trillion from $2.948 trillion. The biggest gains were at the top of the billionaire pyramid, with the richest five billionaires -- Bezos, Bill Gates, Zuckerberg, Warren Buffett, and Larry Ellison -- seeing combined wealth gains of $76 billion.
Elon Musk had among the largest percentage gain of billionaires during the two months, seeing his net worth jump by 48% in the two months to $36 billion. Zuckerberg was close behind, seeing his wealth surge by 46% in the two months, to $80 billion. Bezos' wealth increased by 31% to $147 billion. Bezos' ex-wife, MacKenzie Bezos, who received Amazon shares in their divorce, also saw her wealth increase by a third, to $48 billion.
Because the study timeline captures the stock market bottom and quick rebound, it creates a slightly sunnier picture for billionaires than the full year. For the year, Buffett's wealth has declined by $20 billion, according to the Bloomberg Billionaire's Index, while Gates is down by $4.3 billion. For the year, Jeff Bezos has gained $35.5 billion while Zuckerberg is up by $9 billion.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/21/american-billionaires-got-434-billion-
richer-during-the-pandemic.html
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Wednesday, May 27, 2020 9:19 AM
BC today logged no Covid related deaths.
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Wednesday, May 27, 2020 9:21 AM
Don't know if Vancouver will be a hub city for hockey as once you enter BC, you have to self-isolate for 14 days. So we shall see.
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Wednesday, May 27, 2020 9:37 AM
Your US death numbers for the Coomph are bullshit Signy.
Until you can admit that, we have nothing further to discuss on the topic.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Wednesday, May 27, 2020 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Your US death numbers for the Coomph are bullshit Signy.
Until you can admit that, we have nothing further to discuss on the topic.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
So, SPEAKING OF BULLSHIT NUMBERS...
WHAT ABOUT THAT 4TH GRADE ARITHMETIC PROBLEM THAT YOU'VE BEEN AVOIDING, SIX?
YOU KNOW ...
327 MILLION * 0.4 (OR 0.3, IF YOU WANT TO BE CONSERVATIVE) INFECTION FATALITY RATE?
HOW MUCH WAS THAT, AGAIN?
500.000?
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Wednesday, May 27, 2020 2:08 PM
EVIDENCE THAT CORONAVIRUS IS UNDERCOUNTED
Quote:Just like in China, in the early days test kits were not available. Something that YOU, SIX, have pointed out numerous times. This meant that many people died without having even been tested for viral RNA. But if the symptoms fit .... unusual chest Xrays typical of Covid but not other pneumonias, for example, these early deaths were probably mostly Covid and deserved to be counted as such.
The problem with the Covid-19 death numbers
...I was reminded of that disconnect between truth and reality -- and the difficulties of accounting for disaster-related deaths -- this week as researchers from Yale School of Public Health and the Washington Post published a report looking at "excess deaths" from Covid-19.
The Yale findings indicate officials are vastly underestimating the toll of the pandemic.
"What the actual fatality count from Covid is or was is still not clear," Dr. Irwin Redlener, director of the National Center for Disaster Preparedness at Columbia University, as well as a professor of public health, told me. "We're in a muddle of numbers, which is a problem."
It may seem a callous term, but "excess deaths" are critical to understanding this pandemic. The term refers to the number of deaths that are found to be in "excess" of the normal death rate for a particular place during a certain period of time.
This is a statistical estimate, not a case-by-case accounting. Yet many epidemiologists and medical examiners consider it to be the best measure of pandemic- and disaster-related deaths. It's not hard to see why. It's easier to measure the total number of deaths and compare those to a past baseline than it is to test every victim, to review their medical records, to interview their family members and to come to an objective assessment. That case-by-case methodology is extremely hard to carry out in practice and often will come up short.
"The assignment of causes of death is more of an art than a science," Daniel Weinberger, an associate professor of epidemiology at the Yale School of Public Health, and the report's lead researcher, told me. The assignment might change from one doctor to the next, he said.
...The Yale figures work like that, too. The researchers found 15,400 excess deaths in the United States from March 1 through April 4, the early weeks of the coronavirus's rampage through this country. During that time, only about half that many deaths -- 8,128 -- had been attributed to Covid-19, according the report.
The figures suggest the pandemic has been far worse than reported.
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"Not everyone who dies due to Covid-19 is going to have 'Covid' listed on their death certificate or get counted in those official statistics; so there is going to be some level of undercounting," said Weinberger, from the Yale School of Public Health. "Because of the lags in the [mortality] data and how long it takes to report and backfill the data, it's going to be some time before we have a handle on how much it's underreported. A conservative estimate is that the real number [of Covid-19 deaths] is maybe 1 ½ or two times higher than what the reported numbers are."
The excess death figures aren't perfect, either, Weinberger said. Did deaths drop because there are fewer traffic accidents with fewer people on the road? Did some people avoid seeking medical care because they were afraid of catching Covid-19 at a hospital, and therefore died from otherwise treatable infections or diseases? It's hard to tell. But the measurement remains a critical method for understanding the broad impact of the coronavirus, experts said.
I asked Aaron Bernstein, interim director of the Center for Climate, Health, and the Global Environment (C-CHANGE) at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, whether excess deaths were the best measure of the toll of a pandemic. Yes, he said. "For sure."
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