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Monday, May 18, 2020 9:47 AM

News for Covid-19 is still bad in Indian country. Navajo now have over 3,000 cases. Stricter lockdowns being put in place and curfews being extended. Amongst 5 reservations their population is only 175,000.

Hopi villages are closed to outside traffic and it is estimated that most tribes in New Mexico have covid-19 on them.

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Monday, May 18, 2020 5:55 PM

In 2014, after the Ebola epidemic, the Obama administration realized the federal government was unprepared for pandemics, both natural and engineered. And so they built a new team into the National Security Council: the Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense. Beth Cameron was its first leader, and she explains that it was designed to ensure not just a constant focus on the threat, but a bureaucratic structure, and a set of interagency relationships, that were constantly being exercised so coordination could happen fast when speed was most needed.

“Having that in place is really important,” Cameron says, “because it’s in anticipation of a truly catastrophic or existential threat. It is the ability to detect it early. And then it’s the ability to respond efficiently and to practice that at all levels of government.”

That way, when the crisis does come, the government knows how to react, knows who needs to be in the meetings, knows where the power and authority and expertise lie. It can focus on responding to the threat rather than building the structure needed to respond to the threat.

The Trump administration dissolved that office in 2018 as part of John Bolton’s reorganization of the National Security Council. The leader of the team, Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer, was pushed out. The decision attracted criticism at the time, but the White House defended the call. “In a world of limited resources, you have to pick and choose,” one administration official told the Washington Post. The administration has never explained how or why it chose to deemphasize pandemic risk, nor which threats it decided to prioritize instead.

So neither Trump nor his administration was focused on Covid-19 in the early days, when it would have mattered most. “I think that it’s possible if we’d taken this threat more seriously in mid- to late January, that we could be in a situation where we are containing coronavirus as opposed to having to suppress it,” Cameron says.

I don’t want to overstate the consequence of that one decision: It is possible to imagine an administration that eliminated the office but remained focused, through other agencies or processes, on pandemic risk. But in this case, the dissolution of the office reflected the interests of the executive, and the evidence is everywhere. The administration responded exactly as you’d expect an administration that had shuttered its pandemic response operation to act — which is to say, it mostly did not act.

More at www.vox.com/2020/5/18/21251370/donald-trump-risk-coronavirus-2020-reel
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, May 20, 2020 9:11 AM

BC logged a record today. Only 2 new cases.

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Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:31 AM

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COVID Is a Great Scapegoat for the Pre-Existing Collapse of a Rotten Economic 'System'
James Howard Kunstler 15 hours ago | 820 words 696 Comments

Western Civ’s most infamous encounter with pandemic disease, so far, was the big first wave of the Black Death that had a marathon run from 1346 to 1353. That bug was the real deal. It killed folks left and right, every age group, every social station, and it killed them ugly. Few who caught it survived. Up to half the population of Europe perished, along with a lot of their social and economic ways.

The cause of the Black Death was subject to every possible explanation except the actual one, Yersina pestis, a bacterium associated with rats and their insect parasites, fleas and lice, who also enjoyed an association with humans living in the generally squalid conditions of the day ­— the ancient Roman habit of bathing long forgotten. At the top of their list of causes was an angry God, and his wicked erstwhile subordinate, Satan. The “experts” of that time tended to cluster in the church hierarchy, with its drear obsessions and compulsions. The squishy boundary between the supernatural and reality loosed all manner of derangement. The Jews came in for much vilification, leading to massacres in Strasbourg, Mainz, and Cologne. On the whole, the episode represented a terrific humbling of humanity. The allegory of the Dance Macabre summed it up in mankind’s universal antic journey to the Palookaville of death.
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On the plus side, as modern interpolators might say, the bubonic plague winnowed down Europe’s population to a scale more congenial with its resource base. After that big first wave of the disease, land was cheaper and human labor better rewarded. Eventually, more food got around. Incidentally, the plague provoked nostalgia for the classical antiquity of Greece and Rome, especially among the scholars of Florence, launching the extravaganzas of the Renaissance, the Enlightenment, and eventually our own pageant of techno-supremacist Modernity.

Covid-19 seems rather a punk-ass illness compared to the Black Death. Its victims by far are people already on a fast track to the last roundup. We know exactly what causes it, if not so exactly its origin, and yet the response among our experts has been far more ambiguous than those long-ago bishops of Christendom to the Great Plague. The various scientists, physicians, public health officers, and politicians seem, to the casual observer, about equally divided between those who consider the corona virus a grave threat and those who insist it’s hardly worse than any annual flu. What is one to believe? Or do?

Which brings us to the verge of the Great Opening-up. The current nostalgia for pre-Covid-19 business-as-usual is understandably intense. Gone especially from daily life are all the ceremonies of human togetherness, from gatherings of friends to the casual shoulder-rubbings of urban life to the crowded venues of the lively arts to the great moiling orgies of pro sports. The life of the perpetual jigsaw puzzle, YouTube, and Netflix has proved inadequate to human aspiration. Gone, too, are livelihoods, revenue streams, and rewarding roles in everyday existence. The itch to get out and do, get out and make, get out and be, is overwhelming.

Behind those plain yearnings, though, looms the specter of a system that appeared to be already foundering before Covid-19 entered the scene. There is, at least, considerable agreement that the disease catalyzed the disorders of finance and economy and accelerated the damage ­— just not among the people most responsible for engineering the fragilities that actually crashed things

Jerome Powell, Pope of the Church of the Federal Reserve, went on the 60-Minutes show last night to reassure the nation that things will eventually get back to normal. “I think you’ll see the economy recover steadily through the second half of this year.”

Yessir, if you say so. Were his fingers crossed? You couldn’t tell because

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Thursday, May 21, 2020 3:34 PM

Well...

You had to be wearing a mask in the first place in order to take a mask off.





Seriously. Where the hell is Marcos? He must be loving the world now that half of the world is wearing masks like he does.

Which one of you goons lost your password to your Marcos sockpuppet?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, May 21, 2020 5:09 PM

You didn't get the Danse Macabre reference.

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Friday, May 22, 2020 1:40 AM

Will it be "business as usual" after Covid-19?

I HOPE NOT.

Unfortunately, all of the changes that I see are in the USA and the EU are in the wrong direction: Bailout of big banks, failures and buyouts of small businesses, greater consolidation of wealth.

What people don't understand is that, while there is all sorts of political strang und durm (storm and strife) about the Federal government creating (more of) a deficit to help out the "little folks", the Fed has quietly created more than trillion dollars to help out the big banks, big stocks, and big corporate bond issuers.

I think people STILL don't "get it". They think that "money" is something that the government prints and that the banks acquire when people "save". IN REALITY "money" is somthing that banks create out of thin air, like counterfeiting (but legal!) every time they create a loan.

Let me put it this way: When a bank gives you a $20,000 loan to buy a car, it doesn't rummage thru its vaults to see whether it has gotten $20,000 in deposits lately that is can lend to you.

NOT AT ALL.

It creates an account to (say) John Q Public, and grants John Q $20,000 by putting $20,000 into his ledger.

THAT'S IT!

What you and I might sweat and toil for over a year (or more), the bank just literally creates by putting electronic digits into an account. The reason why John Q Public, or anyone else for that matter, doesn't realize how thoroughly they're being robbed by banks (and other lending insitutions) is because the mind recoils over such obvious illogic. SURELY, people think, THERE MUST BE MORE TO IT THAN THAT!

Er, no, sorry folks, it's a stupid as it sounds.
And yet, it's the basis of our financial system!


What's worse, banks don't lend the Big Bucks at near-zero interst rates to consumers who want to buy a car or a frig, or to businesses which might fulfill that demand). NOPE! They lend to corporations for mergers and acquisitions, or to businesses that deal in hedge funds, or to stock or real estate speculators. So none of that made-up-money actually goes into the real economy of supply and demand, it goes into speculation.

Anyway, enuf of my rant. People are still getting screwed, with or without Covid-19.







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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Friday, May 22, 2020 1:45 PM

Schengen EuroZone Area is Finished?

Finland’s state epidemiologist says it would be a risk for his country to accept Swedish tourists
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/may/21/coronavirus-live-ne
ws-global-cases-near-5m-as-eu-health-chief-warns-of-second-wave?page=with:block-5ec69b488f08a1782fa7f159#liveblog-navigation

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Friday, May 22, 2020 5:20 PM

The religious roots of Trump's magical thinking on coronavirus

Trump's response to the pandemic seems contrary to reality. But long ago, his biographers say, Trump learned how to craft his own version of reality, a lesson he learned in an unlikely place: a church. It's called the "power of positive thinking," and Trump heard it from the master himself: the Rev. Norman Vincent Peale, a Manhattan pastor who became a self-help juggernaut, the Joel Osteen of the 1950s.

"He thought I was his greatest student of all time," Trump has said. Undoubtedly, the power of positive thinking has taken Trump a long way in the world. Trump has repeatedly credited Peale -- who died in 1993 -- and positive thinking with helping him through rough patches.

"I refused to be sucked into negative thinking on any level, even when the indications weren't great," Trump said of the early 1990s.

But during a global public health crisis there can be a negative side to positive thinking.

"Trump pretending that this pandemic will just go away is not just an unacceptable fantasy," said Christopher Lane, author of "Surge of Piety: Norman Vincent Peale and the Remaking of American Religious Life."

"It is in the realm of dangerous delusion."

"Attitudes are more important than facts," Peale preached, a virtual prophecy of our post-truth age. "Formulate and stamp indelibly on your mind a mental picture of yourself as succeeding," Peale writes in "The Power of Positive Thinking."

"Hold this picture tenaciously. Never permit it to fade."

"Positive thinking can help people focus on goals and affirm one's merits," said Lane, author of the book on Peale. "But it does need a reality check, and to be based in fact."

Sometimes, the reality is that you've failed and need to change course. But to Peale, that wasn't an option. Even self-doubt was a sin, he taught, an affront to God. "He had a huge problem with failure," Lane said. "He would berate people for even talking about it."

Peale's teachings can explain why Trump won't accept criticism.

You can hear echoes of Peale's no-fail philosophy in Trump's angry response to reporters' questions about his handling of the coronavirus pandemic, said Trump biographer Michael D'Antonio.

"Nothing is an exchange of ideas or discussion of facts," D'Antonio said. "Everything is a life or death struggle for the definition of reality. For him, being wrong feels like being obliterated."

More at www.cnn.com/2020/05/21/politics/trump-magical-thinking-peale-coronavir
us/index.html


How Norman Vincent Peale Taught Donald Trump to Worship Himself
www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/donald-trump-2016-norman-vince
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The magnate’s biographer explains the spiritual guide behind his relentless self-confidence.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, May 22, 2020 8:47 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Will it be "business as usual" after Covid-19?




Pretty much.

Remember all of those articles that were predicting the death of the American Suburbs shortly after 9/11 and the huge hike in oil prices? Not only did that never happen, but even with a manufactured panic over a virus that isn't even close to the end of the world that made life as we knew it grind temporarily to a halt and sees the national deficit go off the rails I can't see any scenario where that's going to happen in my life.

We've lived a lifetime of situations and scenarios that were supposedly going to be the "end of the world as we know it" now, and we always go back more or less to "normal".

There will be some minor adjustments to our daily lives but, for better or for worse, everything will pretty much go back to the status quo.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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