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Some Covid-19 thoughts

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Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:10 PM

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Originally posted by THG:
Sigs at it again. She argues nothing matters if it's not literally the worst thing happening or has happened. This style of argument is popular with sig who knows she is doing something wrong when applying it.

Sig is fully aware that she is covering up Trumps failures as she posts her attempts at fallacy of relative privation. Pointing to other unrelated disasters in an attempt to minimize Trumps Coronavirus response failures.

Crawl back under your rock sig. We've seen this from you a hundred times and more.


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Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

I have absolutely no idea what you're posting about, and I don't think you know either.

OF COURSE we should be prepared! When I ask What is in America's interests one thing that I argue for, over and over and over and over, is ruggedness: the ability to survive unexpected bad fortune of ANY kind.

The problem is, lack of preparedness/fragility is a natural outgrowth of our economy and our finacialism: If you have a production economy which selects entities which make maximim profit, these are the entities that trim costs in ways that inevitably make the system fragile:

Production in large centralized facilities, which takes advantage of economies of scale to produce at the lowest cost. This leads to dependence on faraway plants that become inaccessible if they blow up/burn down/suffer an outage, or if supply lines are interrupted by natural or manmade disaster, as they are now. Have you tried to buy ANYthing that isn't food, lately? Screws, bolts, conduit, brackets, toilet paper, spray bottles ...? Much empty inventory because all made in China.

No inventory and just-in-time delivery. Sure, it saves on the cost of keeping parts on-hand but, once again, if your supply lines are interrupted your production is fucked.

No spare cash. The BANKS sure don't want you to be solvent- in their bookkeeping, your savings is their liability. (Yes, I know, it sounds backwards but that's how they look at things.) Banks are in the business of making money, NOT by helping you sve but by getting you to BORROW. What's worse is that they literally make that money upout of tin air (fractional reserve banking) so they get to charge real interest on money that make up out of nothing. Because banks are such powerful institutions they have turned us into a nation of debtors, not savers.

NATURE's resiliency is based on redundancy. NATURE, which has been time-tested thru millenia for both efficiency and resiliancy, has come up with a model that is more disaster-proof than ours. Our model only rewards efficiency, not resiliency, and is thus subject to many shocks large and small.


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Sunday, May 10, 2020 9:42 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Have you tried to buy ANYthing that isn't food, lately? Screws, bolts, conduit, brackets, toilet paper, spray bottles ...? Much empty inventory because all made in China.


Oh, the horror! I just built 3 rolling planters from sh*t I had too much of. Old wood that should have been burned, repurposed. Who doesn't have too many screws, bolts and stuff laying around? If you have a house you have plenty of that stuff. At least, my neighbors and I do. What the heck are you building?? Rocket ship?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
No inventory and just-in-time delivery. Sure, it saves on the cost of keeping parts on-hand but, once again, if your supply lines are interrupted your production is fucked.



You can't base supply lines on a 100 year pandemic, m'kay?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
No spare cash. The BANKS sure don't want you to be solvent- in their bookkeeping, your savings is their liability. (Yes, I know, it sounds backwards but that's how they look at things.) Banks are in the business of making money, NOT by helping you sve but by getting you to BORROW. What's worse is that they literally make that money upout of tin air (fractional reserve banking) so they get to charge real interest on money that make up out of nothing. Because banks are such powerful institutions they have turned us into a nation of debtors, not savers.

NATURE's resiliency is based on redundancy. NATURE, which has been time-tested thru millenia for both efficiency and resiliancy, has come up with a model that is more disaster-proof than ours. Our model only rewards efficiency, not resiliency, and is thus subject to many shocks large and small.




Only the mighty SIG can save us!

It's so easy when you can just wave a magic wand.

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Sunday, May 10, 2020 10:57 PM

For SURE our supply chain is effed up! ... and it's not just Signy saying it, many others are pointing out the same thing. Here's one example: "Special Report - China has near-total control of the world’s antibiotic supply. Is America at risk as a result?" https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/28/china-has-near-total-control-of-th
e-worlds-antibiotic-supply-is-america-at-risk-as-a-result
/

The same could be said about chip manufacture, rare earth mining and refining, electronics, textiles, steel etc ... and on the back end waste recycling.

I know I'm not comfortable thinking, for example, that if I were to need antibiotics for a life-threatening infection the supply might have been choked off by China. It seems like a no-brainer to me to want to bring control of critical processes back into the US. It would be in MY interest to see that happen! And it would be in YOUR interest, too. As Americans.


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Sunday, May 10, 2020 11:07 PM


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US Has 'Limited' Ability To Manufacture Coronavirus Treatments, Vaccines
Or PPEs, for that matter. Or fine chemicals. Or steel. Or plastic. Or housewares. Or just about anything that you base a modern economy on.

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A pharmaceutical company CEO says that while the United States may have the capability to deliver coronavirus treatments - if and when available - that the US has limited capacity to manufacture said treatments.

"Our distribution capabilities work. I'm not worried about that," said Leonard Schleifer, CEO of pharmaceutical company Regeneron, which is working on a coronavirus treatment. "Our manufacturing capacity, on the other hand...I think our capacity is limited," he added.



It's not only a 100=year pandemic to prepare for. There is a whole list of catastrophes and disasters, both natural and manmade, that can affect your standard of living.

One example, which I've brought up more than once, is THE factory in Japan that made THE plastic used in memories. When it burned down, manufacturing halted.

Aside from preparedness and robustness, there is the issue of "balance of trade". The USA gets to buy alottacrap because we have the world reserve currency. The same is not true for other nations... you don't get to endlessly buy without being able to exchange something of real value.

One of these days, our reserve currency status is going to end and other nations will refuse to accept the dollar as the worth less currency that it is. There is nothing backing the almighty dollar except our almighty gunboats.

And finally ... people have a need to ensure their survival thru some direct means. It is millenia of evolution behind it, which rewards us when we spot a shriveled twig that we know means a yummy tuber in the ground, or we've organized a hunt and finally brought down that monkey/deer that will feed us.

As SIX said, people need a purpose. They need agency over their future. One way to assure that agency is to make sure that there is valued, productive work to be done.



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Monday, May 11, 2020 12:17 AM

Quebec is scaling back when to reopen. They have Canadian Armed Forces helping in at least 25 long care homes in that province.

So to has Ontario which is also thinking about scaling back.

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Monday, May 11, 2020 1:09 AM

Hi Brenda! So Quebec and Ontario are scaling back. BC is still on track? How are the rest of the provinces doing? Do you know offhand?

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Monday, May 11, 2020 2:36 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Hi Brenda! So Quebec and Ontario are scaling back. BC is still on track? How are the rest of the provinces doing? Do you know offhand?



BC is still on track. As far as I know the rest of the provinces are on track to opening as well. New Brunswick was first then Prince Edward Island then Nova Scotia, Newfoundland. Then everything past Ontario. Not sure how much of a lockdown happened in the territories, so they should be okay.

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Monday, May 11, 2020 2:39 AM

Gallup New Mexico is lifting a lockdown order though they are surrounded by 5 Navajo reservations. The Navajo have had to have help come in from Doctors without Borders. 2 teams.

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Monday, May 11, 2020 6:38 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quote:

US Has 'Limited' Ability To Manufacture Coronavirus Treatments, Vaccines
Or PPEs, for that matter. Or fine chemicals. Or steel. Or plastic. Or housewares. Or just about anything that you base a modern economy on.

Quote:

A pharmaceutical company CEO says that while the United States may have the capability to deliver coronavirus treatments - if and when available - that the US has limited capacity to manufacture said treatments.

"Our distribution capabilities work. I'm not worried about that," said Leonard Schleifer, CEO of pharmaceutical company Regeneron, which is working on a coronavirus treatment. "Our manufacturing capacity, on the other hand...I think our capacity is limited," he added.



It's not only a 100=year pandemic to prepare for. There is a whole list of catastrophes and disasters, both natural and manmade, that can affect your standard of living.

One example, which I've brought up more than once, is THE factory in Japan that made THE plastic used in memories. When it burned down, manufacturing halted.

Aside from preparedness and robustness, there is the issue of "balance of trade". The USA gets to buy alottacrap because we have the world reserve currency. The same is not true for other nations... you don't get to endlessly buy without being able to exchange something of real value.

One of these days, our reserve currency status is going to end and other nations will refuse to accept the dollar as the worth less currency that it is. There is nothing backing the almighty dollar except our almighty gunboats.

And finally ... people have a need to ensure their survival thru some direct means. It is millenia of evolution behind it, which rewards us when we spot a shriveled twig that we know means a yummy tuber in the ground, or we've organized a hunt and finally brought down that monkey/deer that will feed us.

As SIX said, people need a purpose. They need agency over their future. One way to assure that agency is to make sure that there is valued, productive work to be done.


Look - you have mostly really good but unworkable ideas. You're a bit like Trump thinking we can stick a light in our lungs to kill Covid. IF THAT WAS SUCH A GREAT, WORKABLE IDEA, then wouldn't someone(s) much smarter than Trump have already thought it up, and wouldn't we already have it? Great ideas are everywhere. On paper they are worthless.

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Monday, May 11, 2020 7:22 PM

Academic research from Imperial College in London, modeling the U.S. response, estimates that up to 90 percent of COVID-19 deaths could have been prevented had the U.S. moved to shut down by March 2nd. Instead, administration leaders dragged their feet for another two weeks, as the virus continued a silent, exponential assault. By early May, more than 75,000 Americans were dead.

www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/covid-19-test-trump-ad
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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