Flynn case dropped!!! Democrats revealed as LIARS!!!
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Of course they're liars. Democrat and liar are synonyms in 2020.
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Seditious cowards.
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Flynn's broke, Democrats go on lying, and the FBI coup plotters get away with everything. Some justice.
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Flynn's broke, Democrats go on lying, and the FBI coup plotters get away with everything. Some justice.
Some measure of justice is coming, regardless. I mean, if a lady in Texas can get tossed in jail for a week because some arrogant tyrannical judge feels like making an example out of her and the audacity of opening her salon a few days early to feed her family and pay the bills, I have to think Flynn can make a few bucks himself off of PayPal, at the very least.
Though it sounds like he won't have to resort to that. He's got a damn good case for wrongful prosecution and a corrupt system.
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Seditious cowards.
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Trump DOJ Grossly Distorted Facts In Call To Drop Flynn Case
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Trump DOJ Grossly Distorted Facts In Call To Drop Flynn Case
Now, there's a person who's not about to be confused by the facts.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Trump DOJ Grossly Distorted Facts In Call To Drop Flynn Case
Now, there's a person who's not about to be confused by the facts.
Fact: Michael Flynn pleaded guilty. Twice. Even President Trump has said his former national security adviser lied to the F.B.I.
When asked about the plea at the time, Mr. Trump said, “I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the vice president and the F.B.I.”
Mr. Flynn did lie, as he admitted to under oath in a court of law — twice. He told investigators, falsely, that he had not communicated with Sergey Kislyak, the Russian ambassador to the United States, about possible changes to American foreign policy toward Russia even before Mr. Trump took office.
To review: Mr. Barr is now saying he cannot prove charges to which Mr. Flynn has twice pleaded guilty in court — and for which there is ample evidence. Very funny, Mr. Barr. lol.
Mr. Trump, his original explanation for firing Mr. Flynn notwithstanding, promptly crowed that his former aide was an “innocent man” who had been targeted by the Obama administration. Very funny, Mr. Trump. lol.
www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/opinion/michael-flynn-charges-dropped.html
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Trump DOJ Grossly Distorted Facts In Call To Drop Flynn Case
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Now, there's a person who's not about to be confused by the facts.
The facts...President Donald Trump Says He Fired Flynn For Lying To Mike Pence And The FBI
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Not saying anything about anybody's guilt.
Just going to say that it's fairly easy to get false confessions out of people. Especially old people who know that they're going to rot in prison the rest of their lives if they get thrown under the bus.
Let's just say that our justice system isn't necessarily designed with the truth being the top priority.
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You FUCKING SEDITIOUS COWARDS who are pushing the narrative that is some how Trump or Barr's fault can all go FUCK THE HELL OFF! You did this and you got your asses CAUGHT because that fucking cult Hillary LOST!!
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
You FUCKING SEDITIOUS COWARDS who are pushing the narrative that is some how Trump or Barr's fault can all go FUCK THE HELL OFF! You did this and you got your asses CAUGHT because that fucking cult Hillary LOST!!
So Flynn lied about lying about his Russian connections... which he later admitted he lied about. Mmm'ok.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
You FUCKING SEDITIOUS COWARDS who are pushing the narrative that is some how Trump or Barr's fault can all go FUCK THE HELL OFF! You did this and you got your asses CAUGHT because that fucking cult Hillary LOST!!
So Flynn lied about lying about his Russian connections... which he later admitted he lied about. Mmm'ok.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Not saying anything about anybody's guilt.
Just going to say that it's fairly easy to get false confessions out of people. Especially old people who know that they're going to rot in prison the rest of their lives if they get thrown under the bus.
Let's just say that our justice system isn't necessarily designed with the truth being the top priority.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Flynn was a General. I'm sure he was not addle-brained enough to falsely confess to crimes and to get his lawyers' agreement to falsifying his guilt:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Not saying anything about anybody's guilt.
Just going to say that it's fairly easy to get false confessions out of people. Especially old people who know that they're going to rot in prison the rest of their lives if they get thrown under the bus.
Let's just say that our justice system isn't necessarily designed with the truth being the top priority.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
DEFENDANT’S ACCEPTANCE
The preceding statement is a summary, made for the purpose of providing the Court with a factual basis for my guilty plea to the charge against me. It does not include all of the facts known to me regarding this offense. I make this statement knowingly and voluntarily and because I am, in fact, guilty of the crime charged. No threats have been made to me nor am I under the influence of anything that could impede my ability to understand this Statement of the Offense fully.
I have read every word of this Statement of the Offense, or have had it read to me. Pursuant to Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 11, after consulting with my attorneys, I agree and stipulate to this Statement of the Offense, and declare under penalty of perjury that it is true and correct.
Date: 11/30/17
Michael T. Flynn, Defendant
ATTORNEYS’ ACKNOWLEDGMENT
I have read this Statement of the Offense, and have reviewed it with my client fully. I concur in my client’s desire to adopt and stipulate to this Statement of the Offense as true and accurate.
Date: 11/30/17
Robert K. Kelner, Attorney for Defendant
Stephen P. Anthony, Attorney for Defendant
www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/12/01/full-text-here-what-mi
chael-flynn-pleading-guilty/913585001/
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Flynn was a General. I'm sure he was not addle-brained enough to falsely confess to crimes and to get his lawyers' agreement to falsifying his guilt:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Not saying anything about anybody's guilt.
Just going to say that it's fairly easy to get false confessions out of people. Especially old people who know that they're going to rot in prison the rest of their lives if they get thrown under the bus.
Let's just say that our justice system isn't necessarily designed with the truth being the top priority.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Like I said, I'm not saying anything about anybody's guilt here.
I'm not going to take a partisan stance and pretend I actually know what went on either way.
The world isn't black or white, and there's many shades of grey. Given that fact, it's very easy to obfuscate things to the point that you can get your desired outcome without anyone on the outside looking in being any the wiser.
The only thing I know for sure is that our Legacy Media has been emboldened over these last 3-4 years in pushing their agendas constantly and without any reservations. Whether or not they actually believe it's because they're "Morally Superior" to the opposition makes no matter when you've got a large portion of the country backing them and believing that they are on the right side of history.
We're all in trouble if we don't go back to a time where Journalism was more objective. This is a very dark path they're leading us down.
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Quote:Flynn said he was guilty. Both of his lawyers said he was guilty. That is black and white. After the fact, Trump told the Attorney General not to prosecute because it would be bad for Trump's reelection. That is deep shades of gray. To blame Journalism for Flynn's confession and his lawyers' capitulation is pitch black. The journalists didn't sign Flynn's confession and have no say so in the process of drafting that confession.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Like I said, I'm not saying anything about anybody's guilt here.
I'm not going to take a partisan stance and pretend I actually know what went on either way.
The world isn't black or white, and there's many shades of grey. Given that fact, it's very easy to obfuscate things to the point that you can get your desired outcome without anyone on the outside looking in being any the wiser.
The only thing I know for sure is that our Legacy Media has been emboldened over these last 3-4 years in pushing their agendas constantly and without any reservations. Whether or not they actually believe it's because they're "Morally Superior" to the opposition makes no matter when you've got a large portion of the country backing them and believing that they are on the right side of history.
We're all in trouble if we don't go back to a time where Journalism was more objective. This is a very dark path they're leading us down.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
You FUCKING SEDITIOUS COWARDS who are pushing the narrative that is some how Trump or Barr's fault can all go FUCK THE HELL OFF! You did this and you got your asses CAUGHT because that fucking cult Hillary LOST!!
So Flynn lied about lying about his Russian connections... which he later admitted he lied about. Mmm'ok.
He didn’t lie. Even Stzrok said so.
Try again. Traitor
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Flynn said he was guilty. Both of his lawyers said he was guilty. That is black and white. After the fact, Trump told the Attorney General not to prosecute because it would be bad for Trump's reelection. That is deep shades of gray. To blame Journalism for Flynn's confession and his lawyers' capitulation is pitch black. The journalists didn't sign Flynn's confession and have no say so in the process of drafting that confession.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Like I said, I'm not saying anything about anybody's guilt here.
I'm not going to take a partisan stance and pretend I actually know what went on either way.
The world isn't black or white, and there's many shades of grey. Given that fact, it's very easy to obfuscate things to the point that you can get your desired outcome without anyone on the outside looking in being any the wiser.
The only thing I know for sure is that our Legacy Media has been emboldened over these last 3-4 years in pushing their agendas constantly and without any reservations. Whether or not they actually believe it's because they're "Morally Superior" to the opposition makes no matter when you've got a large portion of the country backing them and believing that they are on the right side of history.
We're all in trouble if we don't go back to a time where Journalism was more objective. This is a very dark path they're leading us down.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Do you really want me to start digging up cases were not guilty people pleaded guilty?
Use your brain and stop letting your religion do all of your thinking for you.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Flynn perjured himself. It's right in the confession that if the confession he is signing is false, Flynn committed another perjury: "After consulting with my attorneys, I agree and stipulate to this Statement of the Offense, and declare under penalty of perjury that it is true and correct."
Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
You FUCKING SEDITIOUS COWARDS who are pushing the narrative that is some how Trump or Barr's fault can all go FUCK THE HELL OFF! You did this and you got your asses CAUGHT because that fucking cult Hillary LOST!!
So Flynn lied about lying about his Russian connections... which he later admitted he lied about. Mmm'ok.
He didn’t lie. Even Stzrok said so.
Try again. Traitor
Date: 11/30/17
Michael T. Flynn, Defendant
www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/12/01/full-text-here-what-mi
chael-flynn-pleading-guilty/913585001/
(It can't get more obvious that no matter what you want to believe Flynn did, Flynn is guilty of a crime. If he did do what is in the confession, he is guilty of lying to the FBI. If he didn't do it, he is guilty of perjury.)
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Quote:What your argument is: Flynn is not guilty because not guilty people have been falsely convicted. What is so special about Flynn? Nothing other than Trump appointed him. You could rewrite your argument to "Nobody is guilty because not guilty people have been falsely convicted." And at that point hard reality becomes an imaginary gas or, maybe, reality doesn't exist, confessions with signatures in blue ink are only random, meaningless marks on paper, and absolute confusion reigns over America. But at least 6ix will vote for Trump and isn't that the only thing that is important?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Do you really want me to start digging up cases were not guilty people pleaded guilty?
Use your brain and stop letting your religion do all of your thinking for you.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Some people I guess believe the official Chinese state story of Tiananmen Square. They don’t want to look at the facts, they only blindly except what the state tells them. General Flynn was targeted. James Comey bragged about waltzing in there right after the inauguration so that he could catch them off guard as he lied about what the meeting was for. Didn’t mirandize anyone, denied them the right to a lawyer, and then the unredacted notes prove so much more corruption.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
You FUCKING SEDITIOUS COWARDS who are pushing the narrative that is some how Trump or Barr's fault can all go FUCK THE HELL OFF! You did this and you got your asses CAUGHT because that fucking cult Hillary LOST!!
So Flynn lied about lying about his Russian connections... which he later admitted he lied about. Mmm'ok.
He didn’t lie. Even Stzrok said so.
Try again. Traitor
He signed a statement saying the truth was that he lied. And now you're going to believe Stzrok?!? Cabbage Head.
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Flynn didn't lie about his Russian connections because he had none. He had some conversations with the Russian ambassador, which (as incoming National Security Advisor) was not only his right, but his duty.
When the FBI questioned him, they not only did not inform he that he was the subject of an investigation, they also did not allow him to see the transcript that they already had on hand. (A transcript, btw, which shows nothing improper was discussed, and also reveals that he was ALREADY being surveilled.)
So they questioned him about something that he didn't remember perfectly, and he misspoke*. The handwritten notes by FBI agents clearly show they intended to entrap Flynn, and that is exactly how they did it.
He was pressured into pleading guilty because the FBI was financially pressuring his whole family, and because that's what his "defense team" told him to do. Like many innocent people faced with overwhelming and unjust prosecution, he pled out. Because the state is more powerful than most individuals, and can grind you into dust if it wants to.
*Have you ever been deposed about something that happened at some point in the past? I have. Being closely questioned about details that you didn't notice at the time, or have since forgotten? Unless you have an eidetic memory ... trust me, I don't ... it's amazing how much you can forget!
That's why, when people are called to the witness stand, they're allowed their notes or other memory aids that they may have created at the time.
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He said he didn’t lie, and then they put the gun to his head and forced him to sign a confession. What the fuck don’t you get about this? Penis head.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Flynn didn't lie about his Russian connections because he had none.
You were privy to his contacts? It is literally impossible for you to know what his contacts were. Besides, I'm just going by what he copped too. He's lying either way.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
He had some conversations with the Russian ambassador, which (as incoming National Security Advisor) was not only his right, but his duty.
Prove it. "You can't prove a negative." Exactly.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
When the FBI questioned him, they not only did not inform he that he was the subject of an investigation, they also did not allow him to see the transcript that they already had on hand. (A transcript, btw, which shows nothing improper was discussed, and also reveals that he was ALREADY being surveilled.)
So?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So they questioned him about something that he didn't remember perfectly, and he misspoke*.
Did you hit your head recently? He misspoke?? That's your defense? "Your honor, my bad. What I meant to say was I did NOT kill that person."
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
He was pressured into pleading guilty because the FBI was financially pressuring his whole family, and because that's what his "defense team" told him to do. Like many innocent people faced with overwhelming and unjust prosecution, he pled out. Because the state is more powerful than most individuals, and can grind you into dust if it wants to.
Poor little weak military general was *pressured* into pleading guilty. Were you laughing when you typed that? I hope so! That's some funny sh*t.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:*Have you ever been deposed about something that happened at some point in the past? I have. Being closely questioned about details that you didn't notice at the time, or have since forgotten? Unless you have an eidetic memory ... trust me, I don't ... it's amazing how much you can forget!
A US general forgets if they have Russian contacts? You either got your medical mari-j delivery or you're just lying again.
Or deflecting distracting agitating - always a toss up with you.
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I wasn't privy to Flynn's contacts, but the FBI certainly was. They have the transcripts, after all. And if there was anything damning in Flynn's conversations with Ambassador Kislyak, then the FBI wouldn't have had to make stuff up.
Yanno, I'll bet you dollars to donuts you don't even know what Flynn pled guilty to, or the financial pressure that the FBI put on Flynn's family, or anything about those handwritten notes that torpedoed the FIB's case, or even the lie that got this whole investigation going to begin with (Halpern).
So rather than argue with a liar, I'll just say that someone must be paying you to hold the DNC line.
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I was reading an article about the Flynn case, and these descriptions had me literally laughing out loud: "apoplectic homunculus Jerrold Nadler" ... "the redoubtably mendacious Congressman Adam Schiff, whose own overloaded garbage barge of seditious perfidy was blown out of the water with one well-aimed torpedo by new Acting Director of National Intelligence, Richard Grenell".
And then there was this:
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Originally posted by AURaptor: Flynn case dropped!!! Democrats revealed as LIARS!!!
Once again rappy starts a thread that shows how credulous and gullible he is. Sad, very sad.
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Oh, because he posted that the case was dropped?
It was.
Or was that because the handwritten FIB notes reveal them to be lying?
They were.
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There was no crime.
They already had Flynn's call to the Russians , and it was harmless. There was absolutely no 'there' there.
Flynn probably even KNEW they had recorded his phone call, thus felt no reason to be concerned over the ' harmless chat ' which was instead a illegal interview.
Flynn's " lie " was at most a meaningless process crime which even Comey wasn't sure was a lie either, and it certainly wasn't relevant to any crime because there WAS none.
This entire scam was for one thing only - political optics.
Obama knew and that's not even up for debate either.
As we suspected, 3 1/2 years ago, this was NOTHING but a huge set up.
10x bigger than Watergate.
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
So Flynn lied about lying about his Russian connections... which he later admitted he lied about. Mmm'ok.
I love the way you sum things up.
They aren't going to get it even boiled down, but...
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Nothing to get, actually. Because it’s false.
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Quote:CBS News released an interview with Attorney General William Barr on the Flynn case. The clearly incredulous reporter, Catherine Herridge, asks Barr how he thinks history will remember his actions in this case.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
There was no crime.
They already had Flynn's call to the Russians , and it was harmless. There was absolutely no 'there' there.
Flynn probably even KNEW they had recorded his phone call, thus felt no reason to be concerned over the ' harmless chat ' which was instead a illegal interview.
Flynn's " lie " was at most a meaningless process crime which even Comey wasn't sure was a lie either, and it certainly wasn't relevant to any crime because there WAS none.
This entire scam was for one thing only - political optics.
Obama knew and that's not even up for debate either.
As we suspected, 3 1/2 years ago, this was NOTHING but a huge set up.
10x bigger than Watergate.
“Well, history is written by the winners,” the attorney general responds. ”So it largely depends on who’s writing the history.” It’s the pithiest expression of the Trump-Barr governing philosophy that we’ve seen yet.
The force of Herridge’s question is the idea that, down the road, future Americans who believe in basic ideas about democracy and the rule of law will see Barr’s behavior as unacceptable and will judge him harshly. Barr’s response suggests he just doesn’t care: As long as his side wins the struggle for political power today, his allies will be in a position to tell people who was in the right. The very act of winning power makes its exercise legitimate.
The scariest thing about Barr’s response is that he actually has a point.
Liberals like to imagine that history will automatically vindicate them after Trump leaves office. Union partisans thought much the same after the Civil War, yet the successful insurgency against Reconstruction — and rise of neo-Confederate apartheid regimes in Southern states — constituted a kind of Confederate victory.
The now-notorious Dunning School of historians convinced millions of Americans that the racist Southerners were the real victims during Reconstruction. Monuments to the Confederacy cropped up across the South. Even today, mainstream politicians and media figures defend flying the rebel flag as a matter of “heritage, not hate.”
History does not automatically reward the morally righteous. Through political struggle, the people who seem like clear villains — even racist authoritarians — can end up wielding enough power to change the way they’re remembered in the eyes of many. Trump and Barr are counting on Trump apologists in the Republican Party having enough power to do the same for many years to come.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/5/8/21251997/bill-barr-michael-fl
ynn-history
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No idea why the war between the North and South were brought into this discussion, as we're not talking about the right to own slaves vs the right to see all men created equal.
The real issue here is that the Obama admin chose to intentionally target a private citizen - Donald J. Trump to discredit and then after the election, used the power of the federal govt to subvert his administration. Gen. Flynn opposed Obama on one primary issue, the influence of Muslims on U.S. policy and how to deal with a global jihad. In large part because of that, Obama was vehemently opposed to Flynn being a part of the Trump administration, so much so that he told Trump directly at their final WH meeting that Flynn was a bad person and not to be trusted.
What the FBI and the FISA court did was undeniably wrong. It's made far worse by the fact that Obama KNEW this was going on, so much so he was all but DIRECTING it.
There's the real crime here. Personal and political animus drove individuals to act in the most unethicial and outright ILLEGAL way, under a false pretense of a collusion story which had zero merit.
The Flynn case was all about political optics and the overt attempt to undo an election with the improper abuse of federal LE powers and a secret FISA court. If that doesn't scare the fuck out of you, then you're dead inside.
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The Judge Who Convicted Michael Flynn Will Now Have His Say
Flynn pleaded guilty in a very generous deal with Special Counsel Robert Mueller in December 2017, a deal under which—instead of being prosecuted for serious violations of the Foreign Agents Registration Act—he was allowed to plead guilty to a single felony false statements charge under 18 U.S.C. § 1001. In reaching that plea deal, Flynn was represented by the well-resourced law firm of Covington & Burling.
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/05/08/the-judge-who-convicted-micha
el-flynn-will-now-have-his-say/
Hello, time to wake up.
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Quote:The idea: real Trump voters I know living in Texas believe the Confederates were the good guys in the Civil War, that the Abolitionists and Emancipationists were the bad guys who wrongfully stepped on the rights of Confederates States to own slaves, and that eventually the Southern States would have ended slavery when it was best for the slaves. These Trump voters I know have rewritten history to blame Washington D.C. for starting the Civil War. Where I live, these Neo-Confederates have succeeded in convincing themselves that their rewritten, fake history of Texas is the true and real history which libtards don't want you to know. The rewrite by Trump lovers of the Flynn case history is also fake.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
No idea why the war between the North and South were brought into this discussion, as we're not talking about the right to own slaves vs the right to see all men created equal.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I wasn't privy to Flynn's contacts, but the FBI certainly was. They have the transcripts, after all. And if there was anything damning in Flynn's conversations with Ambassador Kislyak, then the FBI wouldn't have had to make stuff up.
Yanno, I'll bet you dollars to donuts you don't even know what Flynn pled guilty to, or the financial pressure that the FBI put on Flynn's family, or anything about those handwritten notes that torpedoed the FIB's case, or even the lie that got this whole investigation going to begin with (Halpern).
So rather than argue with a liar, I'll just say that someone must be paying you to hold the DNC line.
I think his greatest crime (of the 2) was being on Turkey's payroll while he was our National Security Advisor. I mean, wow. Did you know about that one? Plus, whatever you think about the FBI, or whatever you're convinced/been told to think of them, it's still a crime to lie to the FBI, which he admitted to doing twice. You are doing double backflips to exonerate/excuse someone who has acted without regard or respect to the office he was given. Every American should be a bit disgusted by that. Or at least really disappointed and happy to seem him be made an example of. The US can't be just another one of your employers. Pretty basic.
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Quote:It is exceptionally rare for the U.S. Department of Justice to move in court to dismiss a case in which a defendant has—ably assisted by first-class lawyers—entered into a plea agreement to spare himself prosecution on more serious felony charges. It is rarer still for the government to do so without acknowledging that it violated any law or that the defendant’s rights were somehow infringed. And it is still rarer yet for the government to take such a move without a single career prosecutor being willing to sign onto the brief seeking dismissal.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
What the FBI and the FISA court did was undeniably wrong. It's made far worse by the fact that Obama KNEW this was going on, so much so he was all but DIRECTING it.
There's the real crime here. Personal and political animus drove individuals to act in the most unethicial and outright ILLEGAL way, under a false pretense of a collusion story which had zero merit.
The Flynn case was all about political optics and the overt attempt to undo an election with the improper abuse of federal LE powers and a secret FISA court. If that doesn't scare the fuck out of you, then you're dead inside.
Yet this is what the government did today, May 7, in the case of Michael Flynn, the man who ever-so-briefly served as national security adviser for President Trump at the beginning of his administration.
Flynn pleaded guilty in a very generous deal with Special Counsel Robert Mueller in December 2017, a deal under which—instead of being prosecuted for serious violations of the Foreign Agents Registration Act—he was allowed to plead guilty to a single felony false statements charge under 18 U.S.C. § 1001. In reaching that plea deal, Flynn was represented by the well-resourced law firm of Covington & Burling.
The plea agreement was so generous to Flynn, in fact, that at the time, it appeared to be an indication that Mueller anticipated Flynn’s cooperation would be extremely valuable. Yet the government today argued in court, “based on an extensive review and careful consideration of the circumstances, that continued prosecution of this case would not serve the interests of justice.”
The Justice Department did not merely contend that Flynn should be allowed to withdraw his plea, as he has been seeking to do. It argued that the entire case should be dismissed with prejudice—meaning that the case should be dismissed in a fashion that would preclude its being refiled. “Continued prosecution of the charged crime,” the motion states, “does not serve a substantial federal interest.”
The government’s 20-page brief is not an honest document—perhaps the reason that it is signed only by Timothy Shea, the interim U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia—and not a single one of the career prosecutors who worked on the case. That may also be the reason why Brandon Van Grack, the prosecutor who has worked the case from the beginning, moved to withdraw from the case entirely just hours before the Justice Department filed its motion.
The brief’s account of the history of the Flynn case is not accurate, its account of the government’s own conduct equally flawed. And it all leads up to a conclusion so obviously wrong that one does not need to know anything about counterintelligence to see through it: that there is no reasonable basis even to interview a senior government official when that person has engaged over sanctions imposed against a foreign adversary government that interfered in an election—and who subsequently lied to the vice president of the United States about the substance of his conversation with an agent of that government. Based on this position, the Justice Department today took an even greater leap: that it is perfectly legal for the official, if interviewed under these circumstances, to lie through his teeth repeatedly to the FBI agents who show up to interview him.
These are quite literally the positions that the Justice Department under Attorney General William B
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It's also rare that an FBI agent contacts anyone to keep a case open with zero evidence, interviews the incoming NSA, finds no lies, yet the person is still charged with lying.
The corrupt FBI put a Sword of Damocles over Flynn's head, then acted like it did him a favor for not charging him or treating him worse.
They financially ruined the guy and sink holed his long and respected career and reputation.
" Gee, thanks! " ?
More like " Go fuck yourself ".
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Quote:AURaptor, the Justice Department took the position that it is perfectly legal for Flynn to lie through his teeth repeatedly to the FBI agents who interviewed him.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's also rare that an FBI agent contacts anyone to keep a case open with zero evidence, interviews the incoming NSA, finds no lies, yet the person is still charged with lying.
That is the position the Justice Department under Attorney General William Barr took in a U.S. federal court. Here’s the brief:
www.lawfareblog.com/ugly-day-justice-department
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Originally posted by second:
The idea: real Trump voters I know living in Texas believe the Confederates were the good guys in the Civil War, that the Abolitionists and Emancipationists were the bad guys who wrongfully stepped on the rights of Confederates States to own slaves, and that eventually the Southern States would have ended slavery when it was best for the slaves. These Trump voters I know have rewritten history to blame Washington D.C. for starting the Civil War. Where I live, these Neo-Confederates have succeeded in convincing themselves that their rewritten, fake history of Texas is the true and real history which libtards don't want you to know. The rewrite by Trump lovers of the Flynn case history is also fake.
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1. I can't speak to these neo-confederates. I also live in a ' confederate ' state but see things differently than they do. Very little about that time period or the outcome of the * 'War between the States ' is relevant to the 21st century issues I see that matter most on the political landscape.
2. Your arbitrary assigning of motives for those who are neo-Confederates and Trump supporters is nonsensical. The issue of slavery itself was far more complex than ' slavery bad / freedom good. The Founders of this country didn't invent the institution of slavery, it pre-existed in the colonies before they were even born. Short version of all this, it's far easier for us to look back and say what's right vs wrong than those who were living in it. ( From a practical side, how would society work when on Tuesday most black people were slaves, but on Wednesday, they were free and equal members of society ? )
I'm getting sidetracked, as are you. Yes, Texans are even apart from the rest of the South and the nation as many view themselves a country all on their own. They really REALLY buy into this state's rights idea.
Trump is a New Yorker, through and through. Funny how some Texans would sidle up w/ this big city capitalist and real estate developer, but these are the times we live in.
MOST importantly - Trump's version of 'history ' isn't fake. It's vastly different than you're used to hearing. but it's not fake. You likely believe Obama's admin was " scandal free ' as well, huh ? I got news for you, it never was. And it's about to get a whole lot shadier, whether you like it or not, and whether you accept it or not.
You’re going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.”
* There never was a CIVIL WAR in the USA. Russia had a civil war, where 1 side wanted the power to rule over the whole country. The South wanted to secede, which is vastly different. War between the States is accurate. and I know in the South it's referred to The War of Northern Aggression ', though technically the South started the attack on Ft. Sumter..
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
The red pill and blue pill is a popular meme representing a choice between taking a "red pill" that reveals an unpleasant truth, and taking a "blue pill" to remain in blissful ignorance.
Blissful ignorance. Yep, ignorant sums it up when describing rappy.
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THG - assuming you have some sort of point to make, just not sure what it is.
Wanna try again?
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Quote:The Confederates claimed their honor was being besmirched. That their integrity was being questioned. That their noble traditions were ignoble. That their rights in the Constitution were being violated. That the Bible sanctified slavery. That they were helping, not harming the slaves. The Confederates were spinning out stories as fast as they could talk, before, during and after the Civil War, but the real story was all about them getting rich and not wanting to pay for the work slaves did. Who else acts that way? Trump lovers, who can spin a story as fast as any Confederate and the stories will be false, made up on the spot to justify Trump lovers being stingy, bitter, highly defective people who are untruthful, lazy, immoral men claiming to be something they aren't, believing they can lie their way out of their problems and bad behavior, exactly like Trump and Flynn. AURaptor, don't claim Trump lovers aren't; I have had 50 years of dealing with these cheaters and crooks who keep claiming they are neither when I know who they really are.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
1. I can't speak to these neo-confederates. I also live in a ' confederate ' state but see things differently than they do. Very little about that time period or the outcome of the * 'War between the States ' is relevant to the 21st century issues I see that matter most on the political landscape.
2. Your arbitrary assigning of motives for those who are neo-Confederates and Trump supporters is nonsensical. The issue of slavery itself was far more complex than ' slavery bad / freedom good. The Founders of this country didn't invent the institution of slavery, it pre-existed in the colonies before they were even born. Short version of all this, it's far easier for us to look back and say what's right vs wrong than those who were living in it. ( From a practical side, who would society work when on Tuesday most black people were slaves, but on Wednesday, they were free and equal members of society ? )
I'm getting sidetracked, as are you.
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Again, your claims are utterly specious. These ' confederates ' exist. That's a fact. So do a long list of other undesirable assclowns who are every bit as racist and vile as these wanna-be Johnny Rebs. But they voted the other way before Trump and almost always will.
And yes, it may shock you to grasp the concept, but many from the South, with no love or desire for slavery, can still share the same feelings about honor, civility and traditions which have endured from before and since the War.
But this isn't about any of that. All this is about is you genuinely not liking a few slack jawed, self described ' confederates 'and holding them up as Trump's based.
For you, it's easy to hate EVERYONE who voted for Trump if you think of them as Bubba, Earl and Ashley. Sorry, but I got some news for ya.
Look at a map sometime. See the last election ? Trump won states pretty much everywhere, not just the Deep South. Lotta blue collar union workers in the NE and Mid West voted for Trump too, ya know.
And they'll vote for him again too.
Your tiny fraction of bumpkins are gonna vote, almost certainly, in each and every election. Always have too. Might be for some David Duke type of loser, might be for someone else. Just because they happen to choose Trump over Hillary or Biden doesn't make the rest of us like them.
Not even close.
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Quote:When I dig to find the real person behind the mask a Trump lover wears, I find corruption. The first time was an accidental discovery -- a computer not properly erased from a Trump lover. I was surprised he was a tax cheat/pediphile/deacon in the church. I am no longer surprised by what I find because I no longer believe the stories Trump lovers tell about themselves. AURaptor, send me your real name and I will have a private investigator find out what rot and decay you are hiding behind your mask.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Your tiny fraction of bumpkins are gonna vote, almost certainly, in each and every election. Always have too. Might be for some David Duke type of loser, might be for someone else. Just because they happen to choose Trump over Hillary or Biden doesn't make the rest of us like them.
Not even close.
“I learned a lot from Richard Nixon”: Trump’s latest Fox & Friends interview went strange places
“Comey, who is a sick man,” Trump said, referring to former FBI Director James Comey. “He’s just a stupid guy. He’s dumb as a stick. And he’s a sick guy — there’s something wrong with him.”
Perhaps most bizarrely, at one point Trump offered that he “learned a lot from Richard Nixon”— including, apparently, how to get away with everything. “Of course there was one difference, one big difference: number one, he may have been guilty, and number two, he had tapes all over the place. I wasn’t guilty, I did nothing wrong, and there are no tapes. But I wish there were tapes in my case. But learned a lot from Richard Nixon, and you don’t do that.” Perhaps the idea is that if Comey would have in fact had a recording to back up a memo he wrote about a February 2017 discussion in which Trump asked him to go easy on Flynn, the Russia investigation might’ve turned out more like Watergate.
www.vox.com/2020/5/8/21251862/trump-fox-and-friends-interview-coronavi
rus-jobs-reports
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Quote:Bullshit. You and I both know this isn't true.
SECOND: When I dig to find the real person behind the mask a Trump lover wears, I find corruption.
Stop lying, you worthless waste of air.
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Quote:Ha. Ha. Ha. People who are highly defective are the ones claiming Democrats are liars about Flynn. The same people are defending Trump and Flynn. In Texas, Trump lovers are extraordinarily defective people and there is no scientific or psychological data pointing to those creatures being any better when they inhabit either the East Coast or the West Coast or the Midwest. (Nebraska is the exception. The state capital is Lincoln. They will feel a deep need to defend any Republican President because of Lincoln.)
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Bullshit. You and I both know this isn't true.
SECOND: When I dig to find the real person behind the mask a Trump lover wears, I find corruption.
Stop lying, you worthless waste of air.
“The news over the last 24 hours I think has been somewhat downplayed—about the Justice Department dropping charges against Michael Flynn,” Obama said. “And the fact that there is no precedent that anybody can find for someone who has been charged with perjury just getting off scot-free. That’s the kind of stuff where you begin to get worried that basic—not just institutional norms—but our basic understanding of rule of law is at risk.” Obama went on to say that “as we’ve seen in other places” once governments start going down that route, “it can accelerate pretty quickly.”
The leaked conversation suggests Obama is getting ready to take a starring role in the presidential campaign which he says “is so important” because it won’t just be about beating Trump or the Republicans. “What we’re fighting against is these long-term trends in which being selfish, being tribal, being divided, and seeing others as an enemy—that has become a stronger impulse” not just in the United States but also around the world. “It’s part of the reason why the response to this global crisis has been so anemic and spotty,” Obama said. “It has been an absolute chaotic disaster when that mindset—of ‘what’s in it for me’ and ‘to heck with everybody else’—when that mindset is operationalized in our government.”
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/05/obama-warns-rule-of-law-ri
sk-michael-flynn-case.html
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Quote:Bullshit. You and I both know this isn't true. Stop lying, you worthless waste of air.
Originally posted by second:Quote:Ha. Ha. Ha. People who are highly defective are the ones claiming Democrats are liars about Flynn. The same people are defending Trump and Flynn. In Texas, Trump lovers are extraordinarily defective people and there is no scientific or psychological data pointing to those creatures being any better when they inhabit either the East Coast or the West Coast or the Midwest. (Nebraska is the exception. The state capital is Lincoln. They will feel a deep need to defend any Republican President because of Lincoln.)
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Bullshit. You and I both know this isn't true.
SECOND: When I dig to find the real person behind the mask a Trump lover wears, I find corruption.
Stop lying, you worthless waste of air.
“The news over the last 24 hours I think has been somewhat downplayed—about the Justice Department dropping charges against Michael Flynn,” Obama said. “And the fact that there is no precedent that anybody can find for someone who has been charged with perjury just getting off scot-free. That’s the kind of stuff where you begin to get worried that basic—not just institutional norms—but our basic understanding of rule of law is at risk.” Obama went on to say that “as we’ve seen in other places” once governments start going down that route, “it can accelerate pretty quickly.”
The leaked conversation suggests Obama is getting ready to take a starring role in the presidential campaign which he says “is so important” because it won’t just be about beating Trump or the Republicans. “What we’re fighting against is these long-term trends in which being selfish, being tribal, being divided, and seeing others as an enemy—that has become a stronger impulse” not just in the United States but also around the world. “It’s part of the reason why the response to this global crisis has been so anemic and spotty,” Obama said. “It has been an absolute chaotic disaster when that mindset—of ‘what’s in it for me’ and ‘to heck with everybody else’—when that mindset is operationalized in our government.”
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/05/obama-warns-rule-of-law-ri
sk-michael-flynn-case.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
THG - assuming you have some sort of point to make, just not sure what it is.
Wanna try again?
The point is that you more times than not hold opinions opposite of what the facts show to be true. And, your quantification of why most don't agree with your perceptions. Hence the majority, blue pill takers, can't face the truth.
It’s obvious why. You can’t handle reality when it differs from your long held beliefs garnered from ignorance. If it challenges your predisposed perceptions of the world, you’ll search out any like-minded ideologues for comfort. Then we get to see the real rappy. Not a very bright guy who believes negative, false bullshit posted by others reinforcing your warped beliefs.
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second - what you're doing is called transference. Every bad trait you find in humans you arbitrarily assign to Trump and his supporters because it makes you feel better. These are the lies you tell yourself in order to make life tolerable.
All I can say is ' Sucks to be you for the next 4 1/2 years '.
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LITERALLY everything we were told didn't happen, did happen, and if we tried to tell anyone about it, we were called " conspiracy nuts ".
John Podesta Told Lawmakers Payment for Steele dossier Was Split 50-50 Between DNC and Campaign
On October 26, 2017, CNN reported “three sources familiar with the matter” had told them that in private discussions with congressional investigators, both 2016 Clinton campaign manager John Podesta and former DNC chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz had “denied any knowledge about an arrangement to pay for opposition research on President Donald Trump.”
https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/05/10/john-podesta-tell
s-lawmakers-payment-arrangements-for-the-steele-dossier/
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Flynn's broke, Democrats go on lying, and the FBI coup plotters get away with everything. Some justice.
The Washington Post
More than 1,900 former Justice Dept. employees again call for Barr’s resignation
More than 1,900 former Justice Department employees on Tuesday repeated a call for William P. Barr to step down as attorney general, asserting in an open letter he had “once again assaulted the rule of law” by moving to drop the case against President Trump’s former national security adviser Michael T. Flynn.
Damn some of you guys are stupid and easily duped by con artists. Let me explain it to you. Trump, Barr bad...
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Quote:Can I quote you back to yourself? You are crazy:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
second - what you're doing is called transference. Every bad trait you find in humans you arbitrarily assign to Trump and his supporters because it makes you feel better. These are the lies you tell yourself in order to make life tolerable.
All I can say is ' Sucks to be you for the next 4 1/2 years '.
Quote:AURaptor, you are not Mal Reynold, you are crazy.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
You FUCKING SEDITIOUS COWARDS who are pushing the narrative that is some how Trump or Barr's fault can all go FUCK THE HELL OFF! You did this and you got your asses CAUGHT because that fucking cult Hillary LOST!!
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Originally posted by second:
AURaptor, you are not Mal Reynold, you are crazy.
Mal was a true believer, and it took 1 horrific loss for him to lose his faith. My change of heart took a bit longer.
You have nothing to throw at me because the facts are undeniably on my side. You can't even address the Podesta testimony. You'll dance around w/ empty claims and petty insults, and it'll amount to nothing.
There was an illegal attempted coup on a duly elected President, by Barack Hussein Obama and the Democrats, and there's not 1 damn thing you can say to deny it.
You SHOULD be furious that such ' fundamental change ' meant corruption on a scale unheard of before, but like so many on the Left, you don't care. You even reject the concept of " Justice ", because all you want to do is win.
Sorry, but you're going to have to get used to disappointment.
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Quote:If Trump loses, you are the one who will be disappointed. Oddly, I will be too because there won't be another tax cut for people like me and Trump, once he is gone. I could get down into the details that would never affect you but those details make a huge difference for me. You will never understand what legalized tax chicanery Trump and I can now use to super-enrich ourselves: www.investopedia.com/taxes/trumps-tax-reform-plan-explained/
Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
AURaptor, you are not Mal Reynold, you are crazy.
Mal was a true believer, and it took 1 horrific loss for him to lose his faith. My change of heart took a bit longer.
You have nothing to throw at me because the facts are undeniably on my side. You can't even address the Podesta testimony. You'll dance around w/ empty claims and petty insults, and it'll amount to nothing.
There was an illegal attempted coup on a duly elected President, by Barack Hussein Obama and the Democrats, and there's not 1 damn thing you can say to deny it.
You SHOULD be furious that such ' fundamental change ' meant corruption on a scale unheard of before, but like so many on the Left, you don't care. You even reject the concept of " Justice ", because all you want to do is win.
Sorry, but you're going to have to get used to disappointment.
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Why the DOJ’s Dropping Charges Against Michael Flynn Is So Insidious
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/05/doj-michael-flynn-william-
barr-donald-trump.html
The core of the issue here is that during the transition period, Michael Flynn had a phone call with the Russian ambassador, Sergey Kislyak, immediately following the Obama administration’s announcement that it was imposing sanctions and retaliation for Russian interference in the 2016 election.
And in this phone conversation, Flynn essentially says, “Don’t respond.” The implication of this is that there will be more favorable treatment when the new administration comes in. Kislyak, in fact, doesn’t respond. The Russians decide not to retaliate in response to the sanctions. The current United States government at the time is kind of scratching their heads. They were prepared for the Russians to retaliate. They want to know what happened. And so they start investigating, and they find this phone call between Flynn and Kislyak.
The FBI interviews Michael Flynn to ask about this call. They already have the transcripts, so they know what’s on it. And in the course of that interview, Michael Flynn lies. He says that he didn’t mention sanctions during this call at all. And it’s a crime to lie to federal investigators.
Fast forward to December 2017. Michael Flynn pleads guilty, admits that he lied, that he knew his statements were false at the time. And then there’s been this prolonged period of cooperation. Over the past six or eight months, Michael Flynn has changed his mind. He’s attempted to withdraw his guilty plea. He suggested that there’s been misconduct by the federal government. In the past couple of weeks, the president of the United States has suggested he might pardon Michael Flynn. And then Thursday evening, in a surprise turn of events, the Justice Department actually decided to drop charges against Michael Flynn entirely and essentially abandon the plea agreement.
It is an understatement to call it unusual for the Department of Justice to drop charges after somebody has already pleaded guilty to them. And so that leads us to where we are now with serious questions about why this course of action was undertaken at the Department of Justice and what it means about apolitical law enforcement moving forward.
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Originally posted by THG:
Then we get to see the real rappy. Not a very bright guy who believes negative, false bullshit posted by others reinforcing your warped beliefs.
I've had that conversation with him. He literally believes that if he can find other people who think like him that it must mean HE is correct.
You can find people that believe ANYTHING.
You can find people who believe they are a god or divinely protected or people that have sex with trees!
He is also one of those amoral turds that will back up anyone he thinks is on his side NO MATTER WHAT. I keep wondering where he learned that. I've met more than a few Marines like that. "We don't pay you to think, soldier!"
It's ok, Rappy, you can learn to think now....Good luck with that!
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The problem is that useful idiots blindly believe what the Obama administration put out there as gospel. The fact remains that this was a politically motivated attempt to subvert a duly elected president and the illegal weaponizing of our law-enforcement & intelligence agencies.
The fact that some people keep trying to make Russia plus Trump a thing even after the Mueller report and now these documents have surfaced proves that it’s not about politics, it’s about fervent religious, hard Leftist belief.
Joe Biden said he had no knowledge of the Flynn case, then it is revealed he was among the over two dozen people who requested him being on mast. Oops.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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Quote:More bullshit from SECOND.
The FBI interviews Michael Flynn to ask about this call. They already have the transcripts, so they know what’s on it. And in the course of that interview, Michael Flynn lies. He says that he didn’t mention sanctions during this call at all. And it’s a crime to lie to federal investigators.
Fast forward to December 2017. Michael Flynn pleads guilty, admits that he lied, that he knew his statements were false at the time.
When you interview a suspect, you (a) let him or her know that they are the subject of the investigation and (b) provide him or her with any memory aids such as transcripts, diaries, notes. emails etc to allow them to refresh their memories.
What is a lie? It is a deliberate and knowing misrepresentation of what the person believes to be the truth. Unless you provide the suspect with a refresher, you can't tell whether they lied or misspoke/forgot.
That is why the FIB notes on the interview are crucial. The FIB prides itself in being human lie detectors. That is one of the skills that they look for, and hone, in their agents. The people who interviewed Flynn wrote AT THE TIME that they didn't believe he was lying. As far as they could tell, he believed he was telling the truth.
Well, maybe Flynn is a stonecold liar. He WAS head of DIA after all, another spook. But the way the FIB conducted this whole investigation (which was clearly set up to entrap Flynn) and withheld exculpatory evidence ... well, we'll never know. If the FIB had done a by-the-book investigation and shown Flynn the transcript he would have been forced to admit "Yep, I said that" and then we would be discussing whether or not that was worthy of prosecution. But IMHO they must have felt that Flynn's conversstion was not much, and in their eagerness to entrap him they bungled the case and they REALLY bungled the prosecution by withholding evidence from the defense.
It was all illegal by the FIB and malicious, politically-motivated prosecution. Very much like Ukrainegate, which the transcript showed was not much either.
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Flynn wasn't mirandized. He wasn't under oath. Nor was he testifying before a grand jury.
Obama flat out lied when he claimed Flynn perjured himself.
Is Obama an utter moron, who doesn't know the law?
Or does he think just him saying that will gaslight useful idiots, like Second, to repeat the lie over and over and over until the gen public believes it?
Probably a bit of both, I'll bet.
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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
I've had that conversation with him. He literally believes that if he can find other people who think like him that it must mean HE is correct.
I suppose you fancy yourself some sort of clever person. I truly hope you're not a lawyer, because your debate tactics are laughable High School.
I see the world as I see it. Based on my known experiences. When I post another person's point of view on a matter in which syncs with mine, it's not to validate MY view, but to simply show that others are of like mind and I'm not just creating nonsense out of thin air, or taking a contrarian view w/ out reference or citation. IMO, it helps to see things as OTHERS see them, so you can get a more clear picture of the subject.
Like seeing in 3-D, it can't be done with just one lens, or eye. There's my perspective, and then those who see things from a different vantage point.
I know, I'm talking over your head and making this far too confusing. You're a blind tribalist who refuses to admit they're wrong. Even when it's been shown to you and you know it, your false pride won't allow you to admit you were wrong. So you get even angrier, like a child, and up your vitriol until you're at tantrum mode.
Which doesn't take very long for you to reach.
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Quote:Here is Flynn admitting he is a perjurer : STATEMENT OF THE OFFENSE
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Flynn wasn't mirandized. He wasn't under oath. Nor was he testifying before a grand jury.
Obama flat out lied when he claimed Flynn perjured himself.
Is Obama an utter moron, who doesn't know the law?
Or does he think just him saying that will gaslight useful idiots, like Second, to repeat the lie over and over and over until the gen public believes it?
Probably a bit of both, I'll bet.
www.justice.gov/file/1015126/download
Pursuant to Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 11, the United States of America and the defendant, MICHAEL T. FLYNN, stipulate and agree that the following facts are true and accurate. These facts do not constitute all of the facts known to the parties concerning the charged offense; they are being submitted to demonstrate that sufficient facts exist that the defendant committed the offense to which he is pleading guilty.
1. The defendant, MICHAEL T. FLYNN, who served as a surrogate and national security advisor for the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump (“Campaign”), as a senior member of President-Elect Trump’s Transition Team (“Presidential Transition Team”), and as the National Security Advisor to President Trump, made materially false statements and omissions during an interview with the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”) on January 24, 2017, in Washington, D.C. At the time of the interview, the FBI had an open investigation into the Government of Russia’s (“Russia”) efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, including the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Campaign and Russia, and whether there was any coordination between the Campaign and Russia’s efforts.
2. FLYNN’s false statements and omissions impeded and otherwise had a material impact on the FBI’s ongoing investigation into the existence of any links or coordination between individuals associated with the Campaign and Russia’s efforts to interfere with the 2016 presidential election.
More at www.justice.gov/file/1015126/download
AURaptor, Flynn signed the document. He claimed he was lying before, but in 2017 he claimed he was telling the truth, but in 2020 Flynn is claiming that, really, he was lying when signed the document. Flynn lies about lying. He is absolutely nuts.
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To repeat myself because SECOND prefers to ignore the truth.
HEY SECOND, I highlighted the important part for you.
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When you interview a suspect, you (a) let him or her know that they are the subject of the investigation and (b) provide him or her with any memory aids such as transcripts, diaries, notes. emails etc to allow them to refresh their memories.
What is a lie? It is a deliberate and knowing misrepresentation of what the person believes to be the truth. Unless you provide the suspect with a refresher, you can't tell whether they lied or misspoke/forgot.
That is why the FIB notes on the interview are crucial. The FIB prides itself in being human lie detectors. That is one of the skills that they look for, and hone, in their agents. The people who interviewed Flynn wrote AT THE TIME that they didn't believe he was lying. As far as they could tell, he believed he was telling the truth.
Well, maybe Flynn is a stonecold liar. He WAS head of DIA after all, another spook. But the way the FIB conducted this whole investigation (which was clearly set up to entrap Flynn) and withheld exculpatory evidence ... well, we'll never know. If the FIB had done a by-the-book investigation and shown Flynn the transcript he would have been forced to admit "Yep, I said that" and then we would be discussing whether or not that was worthy of prosecution. But IMHO they must have felt that Flynn's conversstion was not much, and in their eagerness to entrap him they bungled the case and they REALLY bungled the prosecution by withholding evidence from the defense.
It was all illegal by the FIB and malicious, politically-motivated prosecution. Very much like Ukrainegate, which the transcript showed was not much either.
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Quote:Flynn’s lies mattered to the judge, who didn’t gloss over their implications during an exchange with the defendant. “Not only did you lie to the FBI, but you lied to senior officials in the Trump transition team and administration,” Sullivan said. “Those lies caused the then vice president-elect, incoming chief of staff, and then press secretary to lie to the American people. Moreover, you lied to the FBI about three different topics, and you made those false statements while you were serving as the national security adviser, the president of the United States’ most senior national security aid. I can’t minimize that.”
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
To repeat myself because SECOND prefers to ignore the truth.
HEY SECOND, I highlighted the important part for you.
“So all along you were an unregistered agent of a foreign country, while serving as the national security adviser to the president of the United States,” Judge Sullivan told Flynn. Moments later, he charged: “Arguably, you sold your country out.”
www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/could-a-judge-override-barr-in-the-fly
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Quote:The FBI interviewer didn't think so.
SIGNY: To repeat myself because SECOND prefers to ignore the truth.
HEY SECOND, I highlighted the important part for you.
SECOND: Flynn’s lies mattered to the judge, who didn’t gloss over their implications during an exchange with the defendant. “Not only did you lie to the FBI
Quote:what was that "lie"? On what matter of substance did Flynn mislead anyone? As far as he (Flynn) knew, he was go to go. Nobody told him that he was under investigation. As far as the FBI knew, Flynn was telling the truth. FLYNN apparently thought he was telling the truth.
but you lied to senior officials in the Trump transition team and administration,”
Quote:About what? Was Flynn covering up "collusion" between Trump and Russia? The Mueller report says no. Was Flynn covering up presumed election meddling? Apparently not.
Sullivan said. “Those lies caused the then vice president-elect, incoming chief of staff, and then press secretary to lie to the American people.
Quote:Again, what "lies"?
Moreover, you lied to the FBI about three different topics, and you made those false statements while you were serving as the national security adviser, the president of the United States’ most senior national security aid. I can’t minimize that.”
Quote:Jeezus, can you say "overwrought" much? The guy is blathering without foundation. He sounds a lot like Rachel Madcow.
“So all along you were an unregistered agent of a foreign country, while serving as the national security adviser to the president of the United States,” Judge Sullivan told Flynn. Moments later, he charged: “Arguably, you sold your country out.”
All of which shows why Sullivan should recuse himself from the case.
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Quote:Signym, you are insane. Flynn's lies weren’t insubstantial. According to a little-noticed document he signed alongside his plea of guilty a year earlier, the retired lieutenant general lied about discussing the recently imposed U.S. sanctions with the Russian ambassador, whose nation had just interfered with the 2016 election; he lied about whether he had helped grease the wheels against a U.N. Security Council vote on Israeli settlements; and he lied about his status as an unregistered foreign agent of the government of Turkey.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
All of which shows why Sullivan should recuse himself from the case.
On pain of perjury, on the day he pleaded guilty, Flynn attested to those lies: “I make this statement knowingly and voluntarily and because I am, in fact, guilty of the crime charged.”
www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/could-a-judge-override-barr-in-the-fly
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According to evidence, Flynn and Kislyak spoke MANY times about many things. But the case against Flynn rests, apparently, on one phrase consisting of possibly two, three, or four words.
We will apparently never know the larger context of that conversation because the transcript is highly classified. If there is a much larger discussion about sanctions, strategies and reactions then it would be harder to argue that Flynn forgot about it because it would have been logically attached to other phrases and memories. But if it was a one-off comment then it simply may not have "stuck". If Flynn was asked about it in the middle of a bunch of distractor questions, he may simply have misremembered.
https://kyma.com/news/politics/2020/05/14/where-are-the-transcripts-fl
ynn-kislyak-calls-stay-secret-as-requests-for-them-grow/
As usual, SECOND does not look at, or for, evidence. He only sees what he wants to see, and repeats what he wants to hear.
IMHO, what could really have gotten Flynn in trouble was his work for a firm that was being paid by Turkey. He made quite a bit of money on that, as I recall. His contacts with Russia were, by comparison, petty. For example, Halpern claims that on a trip to Moscow Flynn left a formal dinner in a cab with some high mucky-muck Russian official (I forget who but I can look it up). Meanwhile, other Ammericans who also attended said that Flynn left with them, and all photos of the event do not show Halpern in attendance. So apparently the reason why Flynn was being surveilled in the first place was all based on yet another lie.
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Quote:Judge Emmet Sullivan knew all about that and let Flynn plead guilty to a different and minor charge because Flynn cooperated with prosecutors. If Judge Sullivan won't cooperate with Barr refusing to go to trial, maybe Sullivan should be impeached in the Senate, which would be a lovely strategy pleasing to Trump. "Flynn is no criminal. Judge Sullivan is the real criminal. Lock him up!" -- Donald Trump
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
As usual, SECOND does not look at, or for, evidence. He only sees what he wants to see, and repeats what he wants to hear.
IMHO, what could really have gotten Flynn in trouble was his work for a firm that was being paid by Turkey. He made quite a bit of money on that, as I recall. His contacts with Russia were, by comparison, petty.
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This is not about "going to trial", this is about sentencing. Judge Emmett Sullivan wants to sentence a man who both prosecutors and defense now say is "not guilty". In doing so, he is far overreaching the powers of his bench by appointing ANOTHER prosecutor. Judges are not defense, nor are they prosecutors. They should sit in the middle and make sure that everything is done according to law, and at this point Emmett Sullivan himself is breaking the law.
If the FIB hadn't made such a hash of the case, and if the prosecutors hadn't withheld key evidence from the defense, we may have been looking at a legitimate case. But as it stands the case was so thoroughly botched it can't be resuscitated, not even by a judge.
I have posted since the beginning that I think Flynn was acting as an unregistered representative of a foreign agent (Turkey). There is a money-trail, and I was disturbed by some of the things he was discussing with Turkey, because he has a huge giant grotch against Iran. But the usual "punishment" is to let the offender register after-the-fact. As far as his discussions with Kislyak, I doubt there is much in there to prosecute. He was not "selling out" America.
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Here are 13 questions we would ask of government counsel if we were Judge Sullivan:
1) One striking feature of your brief is that it does not seem to allege that any of Flynn’s constitutional rights were violated or that you are conceding that any government action with respect to this investigation was illegal. Am I reading the government’s position correctly that you wish to dismiss this case without conceding that Flynn’s rights were actually infringed?
2) Can you identify another case in which the government has argued for the dismissal of a guilty plea in the absence of either newly discovered evidence of actual innocence or the discovery of some sort of infringement of the defendant’s constitutional rights?
3) As I understand your position, you are taking the view that Flynn’s case should be dismissed because the investigation lacked a proper predicate at the time the FBI interviewed him, and that his lies thus could not have been material. Are you aware of any other case in which the government has asked for dismissal of any charge on the ground that the investigation lacked a proper predicate? And are you aware of any other circumstances in which the government, in a false-statements case, sought dismissal because the supposed lack of a predicate for the investigation made the lies supposedly immaterial?
4) The federal government commonly charges defendants with lying to investigators. Does the department intend to perform similar analyses of the predication and materiality of past false-statements cases and seek dismissals of other matters that may currently be pending presentencing that may run afoul of its new position?
5) In arguing that the investigation was not properly predicated, the government points to documentation of internal FBI discussions concerning whether or not to close its probe into Flynn—discussions that took place before the bureau learned of Flynn’s call with the Russian ambassador. This knowledge, in turn, prompted the FBI to continue its work and ultimately seek an interview with Flynn. The phone call, the government states, was not an adequate predicate for continuing the probe. Is the government’s position that, as a general matter of law or policy, the question of predication must be evaluated anew at each step of an investigation merely because there has been discussion of closing a case? Can the government cite another case in which it has ever taken that view?
6) The FBI decided to interview Flynn after discovering his phone call with Ambassador Kislyak and learning that Flynn had lied about the matter to Vice President Mike Pence and White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer, both of whom then unknowingly repeated the lie to the public. Justice Department officials have since testified under oath that they worried this placed Flynn at risk of blackmail by the Russian government—because the Kremlin would, of course, know that Flynn had indeed spoken with Kislyak. Does the government really take the view that it would not be a counterintelligence threat for the Russian Federation to know that the national security adviser had lied to the vice president about contacts with its government related to election interference and sanctions? And does it really take the view that it is actually lawful to lie to the FBI in such an investigation?
7) Robert S. Litt, who served as general counsel to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence through the end of the Obama administration and was thus a sitting intelligence official during the relevant period, has posed the following hypothetical:
Someone who holds a grudge against you calls an FBI office and says that you are a Russian agent, providing fictitious details of invented meetings you have had with agents from Russia’s Federal Security Service. Before that call, the FBI had no information at all about you—let alone an open predicated investigation—but follows up with a public records search and an interview of you, and determines that there is no basis to the claim.
The logic
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This is not about "going to trial", this is about sentencing. Judge Emmett Sullivan wants to sentence a man who both prosecutors and defense now say is "not guilty". In doing so, he is far overreaching the powers of his bench by appointing ANOTHER prosecutor. Judges are not defense, nor are they prosecutors. They should sit in the middle and make sure that everything is done according to law, and at this point Emmett Sullivan himself is breaking the law.
If the FIB hadn't made such a hash of the case, and if the prosecutors hadn't withheld key evidence from the defense, we may have been looking at a legitimate case. But as it stands the case was so thoroughly botched it can't be resuscitated, not even by a judge.
I have posted since the beginning that I think Flynn was acting as an unregistered representative of a foreign agent (Turkey). There is a money-trail, and I was disturbed by some of the things he was discussing with Turkey, because he has a huge giant grotch against Iran. But the usual "punishment" is to let the offender register after-the-fact. As far as his discussions with Kislyak, I doubt there is much in there to prosecute. He was not "selling out" America.
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Interesting. Trump says he fired Flynn because he lied to the VP and the FBI. And Flynn himself says he lied about several things to the FBI, including working for another country while being our National Security Chief.
But you want to go against Trump, the FBI , the Judge, and Flynn on this... doesn't get much more telling or dim.
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Quote:So YOU'RE willing to agree with Trump and Pence?
SIGNYM: This is not about "going to trial", this is about sentencing. Judge Emmett Sullivan wants to sentence a man who both prosecutors and defense now say is "not guilty". In doing so, he is far overreaching the powers of his bench by appointing ANOTHER prosecutor. Judges are not defense, nor are they prosecutors. They should sit in the middle and make sure that everything is done according to law, and at this point Emmett Sullivan himself is breaking the law.
If the FIB hadn't made such a hash of the case, and if the prosecutors hadn't withheld key evidence from the defense, we may have been looking at a legitimate case. But as it stands the case was so thoroughly botched it can't be resuscitated, not even by a judge.
I have posted since the beginning that I think Flynn was acting as an unregistered representative of a foreign agent (Turkey). There is a money-trail, and I was disturbed by some of the things he was discussing with Turkey, because he has a huge giant grotch against Iran. But the usual "punishment" is to let the offender register after-the-fact. As far as his discussions with Kislyak, I doubt there is much in there to prosecute. He was not "selling out" America.
CC: Interesting. Trump says he fired Flynn because he lied to the VP and the FBI. And Flynn himself says he lied about several things to the FBI, including working for another country while being our National Security Chief.
But you want to go against Trump, the FBI , the Judge, and Flynn on this... doesn't get much more telling or dim.
Interesting indeed.
There is a lot of evidence that Comey, Clapper, Brennan, Obama, and a host of underlings and associates across the ocean acted improperly and illegally again Trump and his associates. So if you want to talk about collusion and unregistered foreign agents and lying why don't you look at them?
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Quote:Thanks for all these relevant details, Signy. I'd forgotten most of them.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
More bullshit from SECOND.
When you interview a suspect, you (a) let him or her know that they are the subject of the investigation and (b) provide him or her with any memory aids such as transcripts, diaries, notes. emails etc to allow them to refresh their memories.
What is a lie? It is a deliberate and knowing misrepresentation of what the person believes to be the truth. Unless you provide the suspect with a refresher, you can't tell whether they lied or misspoke/forgot.
That is why the FIB notes on the interview are crucial. The FIB prides itself in being human lie detectors. That is one of the skills that they look for, and hone, in their agents. The people who interviewed Flynn wrote AT THE TIME that they didn't believe he was lying. As far as they could tell, he believed he was telling the truth.
Well, maybe Flynn is a stonecold liar. He WAS head of DIA after all, another spook. But the way the FIB conducted this whole investigation (which was clearly set up to entrap Flynn) and withheld exculpatory evidence ... well, we'll never know. If the FIB had done a by-the-book investigation and shown Flynn the transcript he would have been forced to admit "Yep, I said that" and then we would be discussing whether or not that was worthy of prosecution. But IMHO they must have felt that Flynn's conversstion was not much, and in their eagerness to entrap him they bungled the case and they REALLY bungled the prosecution by withholding evidence from the defense.
It was all illegal by the FIB and malicious, politically-motivated prosecution. Very much like Ukrainegate, which the transcript showed was not much either.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
So YOU'RE willing to agree with Trump and Pence?
So YOU'RE not? I'm not the crusader for Flynn - you are.
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Quote:Fact: Michael Flynn pleaded guilty. Twice. Even President Trump has said his former national security adviser lied to the F.B.I.
Originally posted by second:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Trump DOJ Grossly Distorted Facts In Call To Drop Flynn Case
Now, there's a person who's not about to be confused by the facts.
When asked about the plea at the time, Mr. Trump said, “I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the vice president and the F.B.I.”
Mr. Flynn did lie, as he admitted to under oath in a court of law — twice. He told investigators, falsely, that he had not communicated with Sergey Kislyak, the Russian ambassador to the United States, about possible changes to American foreign policy toward Russia even before Mr. Trump took office.
To review: Mr. Barr is now saying he cannot prove charges to which Mr. Flynn has twice pleaded guilty in court — and for which there is ample evidence. Very funny, Mr. Barr. lol.
Mr. Trump, his original explanation for firing Mr. Flynn notwithstanding, promptly crowed that his former aide was an “innocent man” who had been targeted by the Obama administration. Very funny, Mr. Trump. lol.
www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/opinion/michael-flynn-charges-dropped.html
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Data obtained by Fox News shows that thousands of unmasking requests have been fulfilled every year across both the Obama and Trump administrations, reflecting the often routine nature of these requests in intelligence work. The practice is regarded as an important national security tool, a view reflected by these numbers.
The Office of the Director of National Intelligence reported that in 2019, the Trump administration had 10,012 unmasking requests fulfilled; 16,721 requests fulfilled in 2018, and 9,529 requests fulfilled in 2017.
During 2016, the last year of the Obama administration, there were 9,217 unmasking requests fulfilled.
The numbers reflect how frequently national security and intelligence officials use this tool in their work. Unmasking occurs after U.S. citizens' conversations are incidentally picked up in conversations with foreign officials who are being monitored by the intelligence community. The U.S. citizens' identities are supposed to be protected if their participation is incidental and no wrongdoing is suspected. However, officials can determine the U.S. citizens' names through a process that is supposed to safeguard their rights. In the typical process, when officials are requesting the unmasking of an American, they do not necessarily know the identity of the person in advance.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/unmasking-requests-number-in-thousand
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Forced confessions aren't admissible in court.
Flynn committed no crime.
To accuse him of being anything other than a victim of a tyrannical political hit job is itself un-American.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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Quote:I've never believed Trump. I'm not about "believing" anyone or anything. And I've never agreed globally with Trump. I thought I've made that clear, ever since he started running for president. To insinuate otherwise is just your standard lying.
SignyM: So YOU'RE willing to agree with Trump and Pence?
CC: So YOU'RE not? I'm not the crusader for Flynn - you are.
But the things that you criticize Trump for are bullshit: Russia!Russia! Ukrainegate. Racism. Kavanaugh. Flynn. It's all utter bullshit, made up whole cloth by the deep state and brought to you by the ever-compliant M$M. Just because I criticize people for believing obvious falsehoods doesn't mean I'm defending Trump.
Why don't you ever criticize Trump for something real, like his inability to withdraw troops from the Mideast, or his reliance on The Fed (which is the biggest driver of wealth inequality in the USA) and the stock market bubble, or the deficits?
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Pleading guilty happens with a lot of people who can't match the resources of the prosecutors. They plead guilty because they don't have the resources to get real justice with a real trial and real jury and especially a real defense. It's not exactly a secret.
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Flynn’s original FD-302 is so important, the Special Counsel had to leak a prosecution threat against Flynn’s son just to avoid turning it over to his original lawyers Covington
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Quote:Why blame Trump for what he does not have complete or nearly complete control over? For example he has no control over what goes into the budget, but he can and has been an ass by not signing bills and thereby causing government shutdowns. One example:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Why don't you ever criticize Trump for something real, like his inability to withdraw troops from the Mideast, or his reliance on The Fed (which is the biggest driver of wealth inequality in the USA) and the stock market bubble, or the deficits?
www.politico.com/story/2019/01/25/trump-shutdown-announcement-1125529
Trump does NOT have control over treaties negotiated by previous Presidents but he has complete control over negotiations for new nuclear treaties with Russia and Iran. What happened? He let them expire and there is nothing Congress or Obama can do about it.
www.cnn.com/2019/08/02/politics/nuclear-treaty-inf-us-withdraws-russia
/index.html
www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/USRussiaNuclearAgreements
Trump has little control over what civil servants say about Covid-19, but Trump has complete control over what he says about it and he has been a dithering ass:
https://couriernewsroom.com/2020/04/18/59-worst-lies-trump-told-corona
virus-past-month/
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Quote:I have to disagree with Taibbi on this one. Any pretense the democrats had at being pro civil liberties evaporated with the PATRIOT Act.
Taibbi: Democrats Have Abandoned Civil Liberties
Pundits are cheering. A trio of former law enforcement and judicial officials saluted Sullivan in the Washington Post, chirping, “The Flynn case isn’t over until a judge says it’s over.” Yuppie icon Jeffrey Toobin of CNN and the New Yorker, one of the #Resistance crowd’s favored legal authorities, described Sullivan’s appointment of Judge John Gleeson as “brilliant.” MSNBC legal analyst Glenn Kirschner said Americans owe Sullivan a “debt of gratitude.”
One had to search far and wide to find a non-conservative legal analyst willing to say the obvious, i.e. that Sullivan’s decision was the kind of thing one would expect from a judge in Belarus. George Washington University professor Jonathan Turley was one of the few willing to say Sullivan’s move could “could create a threat of a judicial charge even when prosecutors agree with defendants.”
Whatever one’s opinion of Flynn, his relations with Turkey, his “Lock her up!” chants, his haircut, or anything, this case was never about much. There’s no longer pretense that prosecution would lead to the unspooling of a massive Trump-Russia conspiracy, as pundits once breathlessly expected. In fact, news that Flynn was cooperating with special counsel Robert Mueller inspired many of the “Is this the beginning of the end for Trump?” stories that will someday fill whole chapters of Journalism Fucks Up 101 textbooks.
The acts at issue are calls Flynn made to Russian Ambassador Sergei Kislyak on December 29th, 2016 in which he told the Russians not to overreact to sanctions. That’s it. The investigation was about to be dropped, but someone got the idea of using electronic surveillance of the calls to leverage a case into existence.
In a secrets-laundering maneuver straight out of the Dick Cheney playbook, some bright person first illegally leaked classified details to David Ignatius at the Washington Post, then agents rushed to interview Flynn about the “news.”
A Laurel-and-Hardy team of agents conducted the interview, then took three weeks to write and re-write multiple versions of the interview notes used as evidence (because why record it?). They were supervised by a counterintelligence chief who then memorialized on paper his uncertainty over whether the FBI was trying to “get him to lie” or “get him fired,” worrying that they’d be accused of “playing games.” After another leak to the Washington Post in early February, 2017, Flynn actually was fired, and later pleaded guilty to lying about sanctions in the Kislyak call, the transcript of which was of course never released to either the defense or the public.
Warrantless surveillance, multiple illegal leaks of classified information, a false statements charge constructed on the razor’s edge of Miranda, and the use of never-produced, secret counterintelligence evidence in a domestic criminal proceeding – this is the “rule of law” we’re being asked to cheer.
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It's just gonna get worse from here on out for the Democrats.
Hold onto your butts.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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Michael Flynn case: Justice Department actions are 'a gross abuse of prosecutorial power,' court-appointed lawyer says
The court-appointed lawyer John Gleeson also argued that Flynn should be sentenced for lying, including for perjuring himself in court for admitting his crimes then disavowing them.
Gleeson, looking at Flynn's full case record, reasoned that the Justice Department's recent support of Flynn is so politically advantageous to President Donald Trump and atypical for prosecutors, it's undermined the public's trust in the rule of law.
"The facts surrounding the filing of the Government's motion constitute clear evidence of gross prosecutorial abuse. They reveal an unconvincing effort to disguise as legitimate a decision to dismiss that is based solely on the fact that Flynn is a political ally of President Trump," Gleeson wrote to US District Judge Emmet Sullivan on Wednesday.
The Justice Department "abdicated that responsibility" to prosecute defendants without fear or favor, Gleeson wrote, by "attempting to provide special treatment to a favored friend and political ally of the President of the United States," capturing what many critics of Attorney General William Barr and Trump, especially in the legal community, have alleged.
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SO, to recap the Flynn case ...
Flynn was maneuvered by the FIB into misstating his conversations with Russian ambassador. Their plan was to either get him to admit he had discussed sanctions with Russian Ambassador Kislyak, or force him to lie. He did not say that he didn't discuss sanctions with Kislyak, only that he didn't remember if he had.
The FIB who were interviewing him at the time believed that HE believed he was telling the truth. Nonetheless, they pressure Flynn into pleading guilty by swarming him with an army of lawyers and threatening his son, withheld exculpatory evidence from the defense, and engaged in other prosecutorial misconduct.
When this internal FIB collusion was discovered via handwritten notes, and the exculpatory evidence unearthed by Flynn's new legal team, the DOJ withdrew its case.
The Judge hearing the case, Emmett Sullivan, refused to dismiss the case and instead appointed what was, in essence, ANOTHER prosecutor, Gleeson. This is so far outside of Constitutional authority of any judge- whose duty it is to rule on the procedural fairness of a trial and sentencing, not to act as either prosecutor or defense- that Sullivan himself hired his own lawyer to defend his own actions.
Since Gleeson (a private practice lawyer) was hired to, in essence, re-prosecute the case, he did what he was hired to do and made the strongest possible argument, not only arguing that Flynn should be jailed for the original crime (which he did not commit) but also that he should be jailed for perjury because he falsely plead guilty.
Now, in order to realize how fucked up this is, you have to understand that since Flynn had not been accused of, tried for, or found guilty of perjury, Gleeson is recommending that someone be sentenced for a crime that has has not even been tried, so there is no due process. This would be an extremely dangerous precedent a perversion of justice, and a reversal of all of the Constitutional protections that are supposed to be afforded ANYONE who is accused of a crime. Also, this would mean that ANYONE having been pressured to plead guilty who then attempts to reverse the plea would be considered to have committed perjury.
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Flynn's lawyers accuse outside counsel of 'flagrant personal and partisan assault'
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Flynn's lawyers accuse outside counsel of 'flagrant personal and partisan assault'
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Michael Flynn's lawyers on Wednesday accused a former federal judge appointed to argue against the Department of Justice's (DOJ) effort to drop its charges against the former national security adviser of engaging in a "flagrant personal and partisan assault."
John Gleeson, who was tapped to serve as an amicus to offer a counter-argument against the DOJ's unusual reversal, last week urged the court not to allow the DOJ to drop the charges and accused Flynn of perjury.
"The irony and sheer duplicity of Amicus’s accusations against the Justice Department now—which is finally exposing the truth—is stunning," Flynn's lawyers wrote in a court filing. "Amicus’s filing is a 'wrap-up smear.' It is an affront to the Rule of Law and a raging insult to the citizens of this country who see the abject corruption in this assassination by political prosecution of General Flynn. This court exuviated any appearance of neutrality when it unlawfully appointed Amicus as its own adversary to make these scurrilous arguments."
Gleeson, through a spokesman, declined to comment.
Gleeson, who is now in private practice, laid out his case last week against the DOJ's surprising move to withdraw its charges. He accused the department of "gross abuse of prosecutorial power" in seeking to help President Trump's political ally and argued that Judge Emmet Sullivan is within his authority to reject the move.
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THUGR: John Bolt-on is a liar.
He lied about Saddam's WMD.
He lied about Cuba. (He accused them of developing advanced chemical weapons to use against the USA.)
He lied to Trump about N Korea and botched negotiations on purpose.
And he SAID he would lie to the American public in an interview on FOX News.
He is known to be a vindictive man who would bully, harass, intimidate, and defame anyone who crossed him, and considering how he's lied in the past, why believe anything that he writes now?
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John Bolton’s bombshell Trump book: eight of its most stunning claims
1. Trump pleaded with China to help win the 2020 election
According to the excerpt of Bolton’s book published by the Wall Street Journal, Trump asked China to use its economic power to help him win a second election.
In one instance, Trump and President Xi Jinping were discussing hostility to China in the US. “Trump then, stunningly, turned the conversation to the coming US presidential election, alluding to China’s economic capability and pleading with Xi to ensure he’d win,” Bolton writes. “He stressed the importance of farmers and increased Chinese purchases of soybeans and wheat in the electoral outcome. I would print Trump’s exact words, but the government’s prepublication review process has decided otherwise.”
2. Trump suggested he was open to serving more than two terms
In another eye-opening exchange published in the Wall Street Journal, Trump also seems to support Xi’s idea of eliminating presidential term limits. “Xi said he wanted to work with Trump for six more years, and Trump replied that people were saying that the two-term constitutional limit on presidents should be repealed for him,” Bolton writes. “Xi said the US had too many elections, because he didn’t want to switch away from Trump, who nodded approvingly.”
3. Trump offered favors to dictators
Bolton’s book reportedly details cases where Trump tried to kill criminal investigations as favors to dictators. One incident published in the Washington Post includes a 2018 discussion with the Turkish president, Recep Erdogan. Bolton says Erdogan gave Trump a memo claiming that a Turkish firm under investigation in the US was innocent. “Trump then told Erdogan he would take care of things, explaining that the southern district prosecutors were not his people, but were Obama people, a problem that would be fixed when they were replaced by his people.”
4. Trump praised President Xi for China’s concentration camps
According to Bolton, Trump was also approving when Xi defended China’s internment of Uighur Muslims in concentration camps. “According to our interpreter,” Bolton writes, “Trump said that Xi should go ahead with building the camps, which Trump thought was exactly the right thing to do.” According to leaked Communist party documents published in November, at least 1 million Uighur Muslims are detained in the camps.
5. Trump defended Saudi Arabia to distract from a story about Ivanka
Trump made headlines in November 2018 when he released a bizarre statement defending the Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman over the killing of Jamal Khashoggi. It included lines such as “The world is a very dangerous place!” and “maybe he did and maybe he didn’t!”
According to Bolton’s book, making headlines was the point. A story about his daughter Ivanka using her personal email for government business was also in the news at the time. After waging war on Hilary Clinton during the 2016 campaign for doing the same thing, Trump need a distraction.
“This will divert from Ivanka,” Trump reportedly said. “If I read the statement in person, that will take over the Ivanka thing.”
6. Trump’s top staff mocked him behind his back
From what has been reported, it sounds like Bolton’s book provides one of the clearest insights into the despair of Trump’s top officials behind the scenes.
In one example given by the New York Times, Bolton claims he received a note from the secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, after Trump’s 2018 meeting with North Korea’s Kim Jong-un, simply saying, “He is so full of s**t.” On top of this, Pompeo also allegedly said a month later that Trump’s diplomatic efforts with North Korea had “zero probability of success”.
7. Trump thought Finland was part of Russia
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Quote:Let's recap: you are a Russian Troll, Signym.
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SO, to recap the Flynn case ...
On December 29, 2016, then-President Obama imposed sanctions on Russia for having interfered in the election. Incoming National Security Advisor Michael Flynn called Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak and asked Russia not to escalate the situation in response to the sanctions. The following day, Putin announced that Russia would not take retaliatory measures in response to the sanctions at that time. Hours later, President-Elect Trump tweeted, “Great move on delay (by V. Putin).” The next day, on December 31, 2016, Kislyak called Flynn and told him the request had been received at the highest levels and Russia had chosen not to retaliate as a result of Flynn’s request.
Third, the investigation established that several individuals affiliated with the Trump Campaign lied to the Office, and to Congress, about their interactions with Russian-affiliated individuals and related matters. Those lies materially impaired the investigation of Russian election interference. The Office charged some of those lies as violations of the federal false-statements statute. Former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to lying about his interactions with Russian Ambassador Kislyak during the transition period. George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy advisor during the campaign period, pleaded guilty to lying to investigators about, inter alia, the nature and timing of his interactions with Joseph Mifsud, the professor who told Papadopoulos that the Russians had dirt on candidate Clinton in the form of thousands of emails. Former Trump Organization attorney Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to making false statements to Congress about the Trump Moscow project.
From the Report On The Investigation Into Russian Interference In The 2016 Presidential Election
Volume I of II
Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller, III
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Quote:Only one of which can be verified.
Originally posted by THG:
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John Bolton’s bombshell Trump book: eight of its most stunning claims
Anybody can claim anything. Bolt-on wrote passionately about Saddam's WMD, and Cuba's WMD program. Madcow spoke passionately... and continuously!... about collusion which never happened. The NYT published endless column-inches about a "dossier" which was a complete joke, and about how Russia "hacked" our elections which never happened.
But THUGR believed every single piece of garbage, and apparently STILL hasn't figured out that political, deep state, media figures lie- and lie shamelessly - because he still believes liars.
What a dupe.
Hey, THUGR: The Mueller "investagation" is still over, and there was STILL no collusion. So wrap your head around THAT before you promulgate more hype and hysteria.
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Quote:FIFY
Originally posted by SECOND
DEFAMATION ... blah blah blah ... Russia ... blah blah bah... Trump .... blah blah blah
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Quote:Hey Russian Troll: Besides some other major crimes, Flynn got caught in a very minor crime: talking on the phone to the Russian ambassador. In exchange for cooperation with Mueller's investigation of Russian interference with the 2016 election, Flynn was only charged with lying about that phone call. But Trump thinks he and Attorney General Barr can free Flynn of that minor charge without using a Presidential Pardon. Maybe they can. If the judge does sentence Flynn, maybe Trump will use a pardon on Flynn. Who knows? Certainly not Trump. He is too stupid to plan 180 days ahead. Ask John Bolton's staff about how dumb Trump is. They will give you an earful: https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1273347802026979328
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:FIFY
Originally posted by SECOND
DEFAMATION ... blah blah blah ... Russia ... blah blah bah... Trump .... blah blah blah
Dec 18, 2018 - Here's what Michael Flynn has admitted
www.axios.com/michael-flynn-guilty-plea-kislyak-russia-turkey-8d185a76
-980c-4d6b-8fe6-daa712b3da78.html
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Hey SERIAL DEFAMER: TALKING WITH THE RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR IS NOT A CRIME.
You're such a liar. You have NO PROBLEM spreading lies, including lies about me.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Hey Russian Troll: Besides some other major crimes, Flynn got caught in a very minor crime: talking on the phone to the Russian ambassador. In exchange for cooperation with Mueller's investigation of Russian interference with the 2016 election, Flynn was only charged with lying about that phone call. But Trump thinks he and Attorney General Barr can free Flynn of that minor charge without using a Presidential Pardon. Maybe they can. If the judge does sentence Flynn, maybe Trump will use a pardon on Flynn. Who knows? Certainly not Trump. He is too stupid to plan 180 days ahead. Ask John Bolton's staff about how dumb Trump is. They will give you an earful: https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1273347802026979328
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:FIFY
Originally posted by SECOND
DEFAMATION ... blah blah blah ... Russia ... blah blah bah... Trump .... blah blah blah
Dec 18, 2018 - Here's what Michael Flynn has admitted
www.axios.com/michael-flynn-guilty-plea-kislyak-russia-turkey-8d185a76
-980c-4d6b-8fe6-daa712b3da78.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Hey second. I think you've upset sig the Russian troll.
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SECONDRATE, being a rich guy, has no issues spending money on private investigators. He knows for a fact that I'm not a "Russian troll".
But THUGR, being the idiot that he is, believes people who lie to him.
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Second, I think I've pissed off sig the russian troll.
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Second, I think I've pissed off sig the russian troll.
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Facebook removed some of Trumps posts because they violate their policy concerning the spread of hate speech. This means Facebook claims Trump is spreading hate.
Who knew, tick tock
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Quote:Your answer reveals that you are a Russian Troll. And you're as stupid as Trump: FBI's interview with Flynn, revealing what exactly the former national security adviser lied about.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hey SERIAL DEFAMER: TALKING WITH THE RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR IS NOT A CRIME.
You're such a liar. You have NO PROBLEM spreading lies, including lies about me.
Flynn told the FBI that in his conversations with Kislyak during the presidential transition, he did not attempt to influence Russia's vote on a UN Security Council resolution concerning Israeli settlements. He admitted in his charging document in Mueller's case that a senior member of the Trump transition team directed him to contact Kislyak to learn where Russia stood and urge them to vote against the resolution. Stupid Signym, do you understand the contradiction between what Flynn told the FBI and what Flynn actually did on the phone?
Flynn also told the FBI that he did not ask Kislyak to refrain from escalating tensions in response to steps taken by Barack Obama over Moscow's election meddling, which included expelling alleged Russian spies and closing two Russian diplomatic compounds in the U.S. Flynn later admitted that, acting on behalf of a senior member of Trump's transition team, he contacted Kislyak to ask that Russia show restraint. Vladimir Putin ultimately elected not to escalate the situation, a move Trump called "very smart." Stupid Signym, do you understand the contradiction between what Flynn told the FBI and what Flynn actually did on the phone?
Though he admitted to violating lobbying laws by failing to register as a foreign agent on behalf of Turkey for hundreds of thousands of dollars of consulting work, Flynn was not charged for those crimes and has attempted to receive leniency from the Mueller investigation by offering extensive cooperation. Two of his former business associates have now been indicted for their work on Turkey.Signym, you're a dimwit and a Russian Troll.
www.axios.com/michael-flynn-guilty-plea-kislyak-russia-turkey-8d185a76
-980c-4d6b-8fe6-daa712b3da78.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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