Some Covid-19 thoughts
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UPDATED: Monday, September 29, 2025 18:59
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Quote:Must be true because Trump said it.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I see New York is padding the death numbers by admitting to just adding 2,000+ deaths, because we're New York and we do whatever we want to do.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspolitics/theyre-adding-trump-suggests-new-y
ork-city-padding-coronavirus-death-toll-with-unconfirmed-cases/ar-BB12Jesb
Trump denied he wanted his name on stimulus checks. But Trump mused about placing his signature on the checks as early as late March.
www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspolitics/trump-denied-he-wanted-his-name-on
-stimulus-checks-heres-how-it-happened/ar-BB12GUV3
What the people really want is a personal check from Trump's bank account with his picture printed in full color and the words "Vote Trump". The envelope for the check should also have his picture and the words "Better than Biden. Vote Trump." That is not using Federal funds to reelect Trump, but if you disagree then take it to the Supreme Court. I'm sure they will rule in a 5 to 4 vote that it is perfectly Constitutional.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:I'd rather leave policy and reponse to the states, because each state is going to be affected differently. Some places, like NYC, are going to get slammed early. Others may get hit later, or less. If you force everyone into lockstep, they're going to be over- or under- reacting.
... called for a strong, centralized leadership
And then there is the fiasco of the CDC. The doctor who detected the first community case in the Seattle area had used a flu surveillance program but re-purposed it for SARS Cov-2, DESPITE the fact that the CDC had denied her request to go ahead many times, and even AFTER she found the first case ... a case that would have never been found if the CDC had its way ... they told her to stop testing.
And then, there was the CDC's insistence that everyone use their test kit, despite the fact that there many labs ready to test by other means, and the test kits were greatly delayed. The CDC's extremely narrow criteria for applying tests also hampered response.
The CDC's insistence that people not wear masks of any kind. Seriously??
The problem with centralized control is that it is inflexible, and it can insist on uniform, but wrong, policy, everywhere.
In the beginning stages of a epidemic, people need to be able to jump on it even if nobody knows exactly what's going on, and that doesn't mean waiting while a ginormous bureaucracy gets its feet moving.
I see the role of the CDC as more of an information clearing-house and advisor, like I see the Federal government as controlling the borders and interstate travel. For example, a providing centralized information on who had what equipment where, and maintaining and readying MANUFACTURING CAPACITY for critical items. If the CDC had allowed other labs to do different tests, they could have followed that up LATER with a comparison between the "official" test and the unofficial ones to allow uniform data interpretation. Instead, the CDC (and the FDA) were giant boondoggles. The author seems to think that centralizing control will make things better; instead, it just creates a field for bigger mistakes.
Quote:Like? Sharing information? That's up to each nation. Sharing equipment? Not likely when everyone is scrambling for the same resources.
international cooperation in health
Quote:I have been harping on this FOR YEARS, and been called a "Russian troll" for my trouble.
, and for U.S. officials to tackle the country’s vulnerable manufacturing chain of medical supplies.
It's not just "medical supplies" because "pandemics" aren't the only kind of emergency, and ANY disruption in someone else's centralized production or fragile supply lines ... whether by war or natural disaster (elsewhere) leaves the USA vulnerable.
We live in a seriously depleted, fragile economy. We made it that way because "centralized" means economies of scale and greater "efficiency" and "offshore" means greater profits but is also less robust and not beneficial for, or protective of, Americans. The answer isn't more centralization, it's less.
And part of that answer is Make America great again. By hook or by crook, we need to divorce our economy from China and stop depending on them to be our manufacturing center.
Cue Russian troll" or Trumptard" in 3 ... 2... 1...
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Quote:Trump said he could solve the problem of Chinese goods with tariffs. He said tariffs would be paid by the Chinese, NOT by American consumers. That was a lie. If Americans won't pay, manufacturing and jobs won't be moving back to the USA. Since Americans don't wanna pay, it ain't gonna happen.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
We live in a seriously depleted, fragile economy. We made it that way because "centralized" means economies of scale and greater "efficiency" (profits) but is also less robust. The answer isn't more centralization, it's less.
And part of that answer is Make America great again. By hook or by crook, we need to divorce our economy from China and stop depending on them to be our manufacturing center.
Cue Russian troll" or Trumptard" in 3 ... 2... 1...
If you want N95 masks by the billions per month made in the USA then Americans have to pay to make that happen. Since they did not pay, it did not happen.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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SECOND, first of all, stop paying attention to what Trump says. What Trump says, or does, has little bearing on what needs to be done.
And, I mean NEEDS. Not what we would "like" to be done, or Gee wouldn't it be nice if it was done but NEEDS to be done.
Manufacturing again in America can only happen with a lot of investment. Either Congress needs to take the bull by the horns and fund that investment directly, or create a Federal bank (yanno, like in the Constitution) to make Federal loans. Under situations of war, the President may use the Defense Production Act.
Trump, by hook or by crook, has been divorcing our economy from China's. I give him credit for that.
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Quote:I will never know if Trump knew he was lying when he said he could bring factory jobs to America from China by taxing Chinese goods without those tariffs being paid by Americans. But whatever he knew, he gave up on moving manufacturing jobs once American voters complained about the cost. Americans will complain about the cost of N95 masks made in America as soon as the cost becomes known for making billions of masks per month. What will politicians do then? Give up on Made in America or else they will not be reelected. Signym, no good will happen when voters won't pay.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, first of all, stop paying attention to what Trump says. What Trump says, or does, has little bearing on what needs to be done.
And, I mean NEEDS. Not what we would "like" to be done, or Gee wouldn't it be nice if it was done but NEEDS to be done.
Manufacturing again in America can only happen with a lot of investment. Either Congress needs to take the bull by the horns and fund that investment directly, or create a Federal bank (yanno, like in the Constitution) to make Federal loans. Under situations of war, the President may use the Defense Production Act.
Trump, by hook or by crook, has been divorcing our economy from China's. I give him credit for that.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:What a bunch of nonsense Kevin babbles !!!
Originally posted by Kevin:
I see New York is padding the death numbers by admitting to just adding 2,000+ deaths, because we're New York and we do whatever we want to do.
The CDC revised its definition of "case" to include probable as well as confirmed COVID-19. "Changes in United States Data following the new CDC guidelines on "Case" and "Death" definition".
EVERYBODY changed their numbers - even Iowa - not just NY.
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SECOND - prices wouldn't have to go up at all if companies were willing to make something less than 2000% or more profit.
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:What a shit show Kevin posts!!
Originally posted by Kevin:
I see New York is padding the death numbers by admitting to just adding 2,000+ deaths, because we're New York and we do whatever we want to do.
The CDC revised its definition of "case" to include probable as well as confirmed COVID-19. "Changes in United States Data following the new CDC guidelines on "Case" and "Death" definition".
EVERYBODY changed their numbers - even Iowa - not just NY.
In other words...
"We're not even going to pretend we're not lying about any of this anymore."
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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I DON'T CARE WHAT TRUMP SAYS. He hosted a reality TV-show, remember? He says whatever he thinks he needs to say to get what he wants done, DONE.
I'm more interested in what HE DOES.
Jeezus, SECONDRATE, are you a dupe of reality TV shows?? You seem to take everything said seriously. ALL Presidents lie. Saint Obama lied, and he lied more consequentially than Trump.
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Quote:People lie to me constantly, Signym. I can tolerate lies. My problem is not with lying, but with people who don't make sense. Trump doesn't make sense. Obama did. Trump is criminally incompetent. Obama wasn't. Trump is disorganized, fat, lazy and loquacious. Obama wasn't.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I DON'T CARE WHAT TRUMP SAYS. He hosted a reality TV-show, remember? He says whatever he thinks he needs to say to get what he wants done, DONE.
I'm more interested in what HE DOES.
Jeezus, SECONDRATE, are you a dupe of reality TV shows?? You seem to take everything said seriously. ALL Presidents lie. Saint Obama lied, and he lied more consequentially than Trump.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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