new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China
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re antibodies
Prominent scientists have bad news on antibody tests
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/14/health/coronavirus-antibody-tests-s
cientists/index.html
"In three words: Work in progress," said Dr. David Relman, a member of the National Academy of Sciences committee who was on the call.
There are several layers of issues with the antibody tests.
First, the US Food and Drug Administration relaxed its rules, and now companies can sell antibody tests without submitting validation data that shows they actually work.
Second, there are good tests in the midst of the bad ones, but they're not yet widely and easily available throughout the country.
Third, it's not entirely clear that having antibodies to Covid-19 means that you truly have immunity and won't get the disease again. "That's the $64 question," said Dr. Harvey Fineberg, chairman of the NAS committee, who was also on the phone call with the White House. "Does antibody level equate to resistance to getting ill again?"
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Following Sweden as a test case of "do nothing", and the 91-divoc website (If you find the website name hard to remember, it's covid-19 spelled backwards, "flip the script") shows Sweden leveling off faster than other nations, and without that 7th-day data bump.
Something hinky going on, so I decided to take a closer look at their data in tabular form at worldometer, which is somewhat clearer.
I hate to pull a JSF, but I'm going to do some quick math here ...
Looking at the four Nordic nations (Sweden, Denmark, Norway, and Finland) Sweden has the absolute lowest number of tests per million
SWE 7387
FIN 8813
DEN 13417
NOR 24020
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USA 9504 for comparison
So, Sweden isn't testing much compared to the other Nordic nations
When they DO test, they find an astonishing percent of cases (confirmed/tests)
SWE 16.0%
DEN 8.5%
FIN 6.6%
NOR 5.1%
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USA 19.7%
So it is highly likely that their criteria for testing is extremely limited, and that they're missing a number of cases
The number of deaths attributed to Covid-19 is also an astonishingly high percentage of confirmed cases. This would be the "case fatality rate" for Covid-19
SWE 10%
DEN 4.6%
NOR 2.2%
FIN 2.2%
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USA 8.6%
SWEDEN's exceptionally high case fatality rate is a reflection of their extremely limited testing. It could also mean that they're not treating critical-care Covid-19 patients, and just letting them die in old folks homes or something.
IF their death certificates require a confirmed case of Covid-19, it's entirely possible that they're significantly under-reporting, since they seem to be under-testing. It depends on how diligently they investigate the cause of death and how narrowly they interpret the criteria for Covid-19. For example, NYC just added 2000+ deaths posthumously because the symptoms were consistent with Covid-19 before testing became available.
The only way to get an understanding of what's going on there is to find the raw death rate for people over 50 in 2020 compared to the raw death rate in 2019 and 2018. I'm going to try and find that data. If it's available I'll post it here.
I've provided USA figures for comparison. However, about half of USA values come from the New York City/New Jersey area, which has been utterly slammed with Covid-19, to the point where the hospitals really do look like something from Contagion
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Italy to begin treating COVID patients with antibody-containing plasma from survivors
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/15/europe/italy-coronavirus-antibody-p
lasma-treatment-intl/index.html
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THANKS Signy for bringing so much vital information to this topic! (I PERSONALLY ESPECIALLY appreciate the T-cell COVID-19 connection! But I find all your posts informative and relevant. 
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SO, apropos of the clot-busting protocol that you posted KIKI, here is an interesting video.
Chris Martenson, Peak Prosperity. DR Chris Martenson has a degree in pathology, btw...
As I was listening to this, and also pondering the article that you posted KIKI, the thought cam to me that it sounds like DIC. Which is what Chris winds his way towards.
ALSO, BTW, I agree with his comments on billion for bank bailouts: AARRGGHHH!!
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Not wearing a mask, and summer is coming so I won't be staying home either.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:But you'll suck off the government teat while complaining about intrusive government, all while refusing to do the simplest, cheapest, most self empowering thing you can do.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Not wearing a mask, and summer is coming so I won't be staying home either.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
You're a strange duck, SIX
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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:But you'll suck off the government teat while complaining about intrusive government, all while refusing to do the simplest, cheapest, most self empowering thing you can do.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Not wearing a mask, and summer is coming so I won't be staying home either.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
You're a strange duck, SIX
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I'm going to take the money that everybody else is getting, sure. They're even giving it to people who don't live here legally in your state.
That money comes at a cost that we'll all be paying in the future. Whatever I don't spend on my house and bills is going into the bank because our money will be worth less when this is all over.
What are you doing with your money? Are you giving it back to the government then? You must be, because you're pretending hard like you're not going to take it.
I've already got it and I'm over it. I'm not going to wear a mask unless I'm doing drywall... Assuming that they're not still sold out when I need it.
Oh... and BTW, Tom Hanks and his wife are fully recovered and fine, despite the fact the media didn't bother reporting on it. They sure as hell made a huge stink about it when they got it though, with one reporter for fake news saying "that was what broke America".
Meh... whatever.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:If I get one I'll take it, but I'm not holding my breath.
SIX: Not wearing a mask, and summer is coming so I won't be staying home either.
SIGNY: But you'll suck off the government teat while complaining about intrusive government, all while refusing to do the simplest, cheapest, most self empowering thing you can do.
You're a strange duck, SIX
SIX: I'm going to take the money that everybody else is getting, sure. They're even giving it to people who don't live here legally in your state.
That money comes at a cost that we'll all be paying in the future. Whatever I don't spend on my house and bills is going into the bank because our money will be worth less when this is all over.
What are you doing with your money? Are you giving it back to the government then? You must be, because you're pretending hard like you're not going to take it.
Quote:Uh huh. That's a a couple of big ASSumptions there, SIX. The very first ginormous assumptions is that you got it. What do you base this on? A case of the sniffles? A drippy nose? A productive cough?
SIX: I've already got it and I'm over it.
I've had a drippy nose and on-and-off sore throat for MONTHS, with occasional green snot and cough. And I can guarantee you that it's not Covid-19. NONE of those symptoms are typical of Covid-19 ... not yours. Not mine. So we can shitcan your first ASSumption right away.
But let's ASSume that you had it. Your next ASSumption is that you're over it. But, yanno, there are all kinds of people out there who really did have it ... tested positive and everything. Then tested negative twice, got out of quarantine and then re-tested positive several weeks later. Not a good sign! Maybe they were never really well. Maybe they were just carrying the virus at low (undetectable) levels and then something ... job stress, perhaps ... reactivated it. The line between "sick" and "over it" seems kinda hazy.
Your third ASSumption is that if you've had it, you won't get it again. That has yet to be determined. There is plenty of indication that people's immune systems may not become "competent" after exposure to the virus. You've said it yourself: It's like the cold. You can get it over and over and ...
Quote:Let me pose a few "what ifs" to you?
SIX: I'm not going to wear a mask unless I'm doing drywall... Assuming that they're not still sold out when I need it.
What if we could open the economy right now?
What if we could do it without waiting for a treatment or a vaccine to be developed?
what if we could do it without waiting for antibody tests to be developed?
what if we could do it without the "immunity cards" or being required to get a vaccine, or having a national health database instituted? Or people being microchipped or tatooed, like some people are talking about?
What if all it took was wearing a mask whenever you were out in public?
What would keep you from wearing a mask?
How would you feel if you gave it to your parents, or your disabled brother, or your niece, or someone else that you cared about, and they got sick?
It's one thing to not care if you get sick, it's another thing not to care if you make someone else sick.
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Quote:Naw. Among other things he's a common variety hypocrite. People like him are a dime a dozen. He actually reminds me of someone I used to work with. He called himself The Wizard but everyone else called him The Gizzard, because nobody had any respect for him. And they would mock him to his face.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You're a strange duck, SIX
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In any case, there are far more interesting things to talk about than Kevin.
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