new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China
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I'm glad to hear you're doing well!
So am I. I've since retired, and even before this, I preferred to be a homebody. So at home is really fine by me!
Sadly, US policy is driven by competition between denialists v high-profit/ high-tech/ high-intrusion (and that includes Fauci). It's either one or the other. Either nothing is wrong and throw the doors open, or it all depends on vaccine$$$! pharmaceutical$$$! immunity certificate$$$! Nobody seems to be taking a middle-road, common sense approach. Sigh. It's kinda' crazy, imo.
In any case, yeah, I too am enjoying this quiet interlude. I can go shopping without driving through maddening traffic! I can breathe clean air (a miracle here in SoCal!). The freeway noise doesn't whoosh in the background day and night! And I'm enjoying learning how to cook with 'stockpile' food - aka beans. I've discovered the secret to making perfect beans every time, if you like your beans unbroken on the outside, and creamy and buttery smooth on the inside, like I do. 
So, so far, I'm doing well. !
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Good to hear. Retirement sounds good. I’m a long, long way off that
I’m all for go in hard and fast on the lockdown - it gives the health care system a chance of coping with the inevitable infections. If you guys are comparing responses - New Zealand is worth looking at.
I was so lucky to have a brief holiday there in February- what a gorgeous place - I want to live there
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Well there were a things that were done wrong here at the start, imo. One of them was the lack of testing, which led the CDC to restrict testing to a very narrow range of people and to scrap its intended surveillance program; and that led it to miss community spread. (Its intended surveillance program was supposed to test people for SARS-COV-2 who came in to the ER with flu-like symptoms who tested negative for the flu.) But the surveillance testing never got off the ground at the start, and we still don't have either adequate testing or a surveillance program.
If you start testing early enough, you can individually trace the place where the person got the virus, and their subsequent contacts, and quarantine them to limit the spread. But that only works for small numbers with individual contacts. Once you get community spread, it fails completely.
And then, rather than ask for help to ramp up, the US (CDC) stuck itself to a failed scheme.
And then there's the US health system, which makes even just going to the doctor if you're sick prohibitively expensive. So even sick people don't go unless they're too ill to carry on.
The US did a horrible job at the beginning, which led to uncontrollable community spread, which led to needing to issue stay-at-home orders.
And the problem with stay-at-home - aside from tens to hundreds of thousands of people being out of work - is that you can't do it forever. Sooner or later you need to get past it. So you need to have a plan to restart normal activities.
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True and a pure capitalist system fails
A good free health system is vital - more so now but at any time
If you have safety nets in place - it can be ridden out
The aim if iso is to stagger the cases in hospital - that’s what flatten the curve is about
Once the curve flattens - you can loosen restrictions- but it should be less next time around - that’s what the statistions have been saying as far I can see
The news is pretty muddy in the U S - I try to avoid it - it does my head in
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From WaPo: "Prominent Virginia pastor who preached that ‘God is larger than this dreaded virus’ dies of covid-19"
I laughed so hard I wheezed and coughed. Whoever knew WaPo had a sense of irony!
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
From WaPo: "Prominent Virginia pastor who preached that ‘God is larger than this dreaded virus’ dies of covid-19"
I laughed so hard I wheezed and coughed. Whoever knew WaPo had a sense of irony!
God let his own kid bleed out on a cross.
Pretty sure the pastor wasn't under any illusion that people aren't going to die of the virus. Even if they believe really, really hard.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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So I looked up the pastor, because I was curious. Was he a humble man of god with a strong faith that 'thy will be done'?
It looks like no. Apparently he was a defiant blowhard who didn't mind putting people at risk. And while his sermon has been removed from the inet, some parts remain:
An evangelical pastor died of COVID-19 just weeks after proudly showing off how packed his Virginia church was — and vowing to keep preaching “unless I’m in jail or the hospital.”
In his last known in-person service on March 22, Bishop Gerald O. Glenn got his congregation at Richmond’s New Deliverance Evangelistic Church to stand to prove how many were there despite warnings against gatherings of more than 10 people.
“I firmly believe that God is larger than this dreaded virus. You can quote me on that,” he said, repeating it a second time to claps, saying that “people are healed” in his church.
Happily announcing he was being “controversial” by being “in violation” of safety protocols — with “way more than 10 people” at the church — he vowed to keep his church open “unless I’m in jail or the hospital.”
“I am essential,” he said of remaining open, saying, “I’m a preacher — I talk to God!”
https://citinewsroom.com/2020/04/virginia-pastor-who-defiantly-held-ch
urch-service-dies-of-coronavirus/
https://nypost.com/2020/04/13/virginia-pastor-who-held-packed-church-s
ervice-dies-of-coronavirus/
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Hi Ikiki
All going ok - I’m almost ashamed to say I’m enjoying the lockdown as it gives me a much needed break from much of my life lol
I’m lucky - I’m still able to work from home, I have a roof over my head and plenty of internet, food and supplies are all good and we are all healthy. Lots to be grateful for.
I’m really saddened by what’s happening there - especially NY - awful.
Thinking of you all - hope sanity rules and the lockdown continues until guided by people who actually have some expertise in virus management
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Hi Magon. Glad to see you are okay.
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Who Is Immune to the Coronavirus?
About this question, too, decisions with great consequences are being made, as they must be, based on only glimmers of data.
By Marc Lipsitch
Mr. Lipsitch is an epidemiologist and infectious disease specialist.
April 13, 2020
Santi Palacios/Associated Press
Among the many uncertainties that remain about Covid-19 is how the human immune system responds to infection and what that means for the spread of the disease. Immunity after any infection can range from lifelong and complete to nearly nonexistent. So far, however, only the first glimmers of data are available about immunity to SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes Covid-19.
What can scientists, and the decision makers who rely on science to inform policies, do in such a situation? The best approach is to construct a conceptual model — a set of assumptions about how immunity might work — based on current knowledge of the immune system and information about related viruses, and then identify how each aspect of that model might be wrong, how one would know and what the implications would be. Next, scientists should set out to work to improve this understanding with observation and experiment.
The ideal scenario — once infected, a person is completely immune for life — is correct for a number of infections. The Danish physician Peter Panum famously figured this out for measles when he visited the Faroe Islands (between Scotland and Iceland) during an outbreak in 1846 and found that residents over 65 who had been alive during a previous outbreak in 1781 were protected. This striking observation helped launch the fields of immunology and epidemiology — and ever since, as in many other disciplines, the scientific community has learned that often things are more complicated.
One example of “more complicated” is immunity to coronaviruses, a large group of viruses that sometimes jump from animal hosts to humans: SARS-CoV-2 is the third major coronavirus epidemic to affect humans in recent times, after the SARS outbreak of 2002-3 and the MERS outbreak that started in 2012.
Much of our understanding of coronavirus immunity comes not from SARS or MERS, which have infected comparatively small numbers of people, but from the coronaviruses that spread every year causing respiratory infections ranging from a common cold to pneumonia. In two separate studies, researchers infected human volunteers with a seasonal coronavirus and about a year later inoculated them with the same or a similar virus to observe whether they had acquired immunity.
In the first study, researchers selected 18 volunteers who developed colds after they were inoculated — or “challenged,” as the term goes — with one strain of coronavirus in 1977 or 1978. Six of the subjects were re-challenged a year later with the same strain, and none was infected, presumably thanks to protection acquired with their immune response to the first infection. The other 12 volunteers were exposed to a slightly different strain of coronavirus a year later, and their protection to that was only partial.
In another study published in 1990, 15 volunteers were inoculated with a coronavirus; 10 were infected. Fourteen returned for another inoculation with the same strain a year later: They displayed less severe symptoms and their bodies produced less of the virus than after the initial challenge, especially those who had shown a strong immune response the first time around.
No such human-challenge experiments have been conducted to study immunity to SARS and MERS. But measurements of antibodies in the blood of people who have survived those infections suggest that these defenses persist for some time: two years for SARS, according to one study, and almost three years for MERS, according to another one. However, the neutralizing ability of these antibodies — a measure of how well they inhibit virus replication — was already declining during the study periods.
These studies f
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Regardless of what "scientists" have to say, ya'all better hope that immunity is just like it is with everything else.
There's zero chance that people are going to put up with this lockdown bullshit for much longer. Especially when the "free" money runs out.
Feel free to try it. But it's going to go Mad Max pretty quickly.
We've already trashed the economy so a few old people can live a little bit longer.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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