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Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:15 PM

So, related to SIX's non-update on the 25-year-old pharmacy tech (who SIX insists committed suicide) I did bring up Sweden as an example of a nation whose reporting we can trust that has decided to do nothing about Covid...

I decided to look them up on the worldometer https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

which has a sortable table (you can sort by nation, or # cases, or deaths per million, or on any of the columns that they present.) I chose deaths per million as the relevant stat to look at. Tiny San Marino is the highest, at 1000+, followed by Spain (334 as of today), Andorra, Italy, Belgium, France etc. Sweden is tied at 11th place with 86. Significantly higher than the other Nordic countries, but not bad for a nation determined to do "nothing".

So, we should follow that stat and see if it zooms up, if Sweden bubbles up to near the top of the list, or if their ranking stays pretty constant relative to nations that are doing a lot more.



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Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:16 PM

WE'RE #1! (Again)

We broke the 2000 deaths/day threshhold.

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Saturday, April 11, 2020 5:59 PM

The "Nation State" of California really, REALLY wants to separate from the rest of the US.

I propose that New York do so as well.

More than 1/3 of the deaths in the entire country are in New York with a vast majority of those being in the city itself.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, April 12, 2020 12:38 AM

Well this is encouraging. New cases in the US have stabilized out in the 30,000 - 35,000 per day range in the last week. Let's see if it holds.

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Sunday, April 12, 2020 2:02 AM

I've mentioned Sweden as the bellweather nation for the "do nothing" approach, and I'm going to bring it up here again for the sake of continuity and completeness.

There were other "do nothing" nations, most recently Belarus, which had early on decided to keep the economy going but is now quietly changing its approach and asking Russia for help. Brazil continues its "do nothing" policy. India, in reality, can do nothing, altho to government virtue-signals its lockdown.

Neither Modi (India) nor Bolsanaro (Brazil) have the capacity to even know what's going on in their infamous slums/favelas. People could be keeling over at home from Covid, but until bodies start piling up in the streets, like in Ecuador, nobody will be the wiser. The total number of deaths will probably be drastically under-reported, not only because the governments have an interest in doing so, but their medical infrastructure is so woefully underpowered compared to the size of the population it would be a Herculean task just to come up with a decent tally.

In those other threads I mentioned that we can rely on Sweden's reporting, partly because Sweden has a well-developed medical and reporting system.

But then I remembered ... Sweden notoriously under-reported crimes by ME migrants, and made it illegal to even mention the ethnicity of the criminals. So Sweden isn't necessarily transparent either. Altho they have the capability for proper reporting, their history with their migrant problem shows they don't mind bending the truth ... alot ... in favor of government policy.

So, I would use their stats with caution, and be on the lookout for things like "excess deaths", not necessarily related to Covid-19.

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Sunday, April 12, 2020 2:04 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Well this is encouraging. New cases in the US have stabilized out in the 30,000 - 35,000 per day range in the last week. Let's see if it holds.

Since new deaths new lag cases by four(?) weeks, we should expect to see a corresponding stabilization in new deaths later.

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Sunday, April 12, 2020 2:44 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I've mentioned Sweden as the bellweather nation for the "do nothing" approach, and I'm going to bring it up here again for the sake of continuity and completeness.

There were other "do nothing" nations, most recently Belarus, which had early on decided to keep the economy going but is now quietly changing its approach and asking Russia for help. Brazil continues its "do nothing" policy. India, in reality, can do nothing, altho to government virtue-signals its lockdown.

Neither Modi (India) nor Bolsanaro (Brazil) have the capacity to even know what's going on in their infamous slums/favelas. People could be keeling over at home from Covid, but until bodies start piling up in the streets, like in Ecuador, nobody will be the wiser. The total number of deaths will probably be drastically under-reported, not only because the governments have an interest in doing so, but their medical infrastructure is so woefully underpowered compared to the size of the population it would be a Herculean task just to come up with a decent tally.

In those other threads I mentioned that we can rely on Sweden's reporting, partly because Sweden has a well-developed medical and reporting system.

But then I remembered ... Sweden notoriously under-reported crimes by ME migrants, and made it illegal to even mention the ethnicity of the criminals. So Sweden isn't necessarily transparent either. Altho they have the capability for proper reporting, their history with their migrant problem shows they don't mind bending the truth ... alot ... in favor of government policy.

So, I would use their stats with caution, and be on the lookout for things like "excess deaths", not necessarily related to Covid-19.

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I looked at the log curve(s) for Sweden at http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/ . While other countries are bending their (log) curves, Sweden's is linear, which means the virus is spreading logarithmically. At some point it adds up! and no matter how you fudge the numbers (unless of course you're making them up out of thin air), later if not sooner, the results'll be obvious.

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Sunday, April 12, 2020 2:51 AM

Another indication of how well healthy young (mostly) males fare with SARS-Cov2 would be the military.

Quote:

The Military's Coronavirus Cases: The Latest Rundown

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/03/16/militarys-coronavirus-c
ases-latest-rundown.html


Quote:

Lawmakers call for investigation into aircraft carrier captain's firing
Democrats in both chambers of Congress are calling for an investigation into the Navy’s firing of an aircraft carrier commander who had pleaded for help with a coronavirus outbreak on his ship.


https://thehill.com/policy/defense/491059-lawmakers-call-for-investiga
tion-into-aircraft-carrier-captains-firing


Quote:

Coronavirus cases on USS Roosevelt spike to 550

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coronavirus-cases-on-uss-roosevelt-s
pike-to-550/ar-BB12usOA




Quote:

Top Pentagon Generals Warn Enemies Not to Attack
April 10
Hit by virus, Pentagon warns enemies: don't test us
US Joint Chiefs Chairman General Mark Milley warns adversaries to not test US military readiness in the coronavirus pandemic
US Joint Chiefs Chairman General Mark Milley warns adversaries to not test US military readiness in the coronavirus pandemic (AFP Photo/Mandel NGAN)

Washington (AFP) - With an aircraft carrier forced into port and staff at bases handling nuclear missiles hit by COVID-19, the US military wants rivals to understand: don't test us, we have not been weakened.

Statement after statement from the Pentagon has sought to deliver that message amid questions this week over whether the US fighting force can maintain full readiness, with cases among service members now at 2,031.

"We're still capable and we're still ready no matter what the threat," Joint Chiefs Chairman General Mark Milley said Thursday.


https://news.yahoo.com/hit-virus-pentagon-warns-enemies-dont-test-us-1
65113632.html


If you include the very angry memo from Lt Gnl Robert P White to Pompeo warning him against igniting a war against Iraqi PMUs it seems the military is still barking, but also huddling.

So military deaths would be another point to track, assuming we would ever hear the news.

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In order to understand the truth, one must be able to actively pursue facts (ie do research) and also discount or somehow mitigate the weaknesses or bias of those reporting those facts.

Cui bono?


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Sunday, April 12, 2020 2:53 AM

BTW, just my opinion only, but the keys to reopening the economy will be 1) masks, 2) treatments, 3) vaccines - in that order of availability. But no one in the upper echelons will propose masks.

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Sunday, April 12, 2020 3:02 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
BTW, just my opinion only, but the keys to reopening the economy will be 1) masks, 2) treatments, 3) vaccines - in that order of availability. But no one in the upper echelons will propose masks.



Masks and hand-sanitizers. Do you think surgical masks would be sufficient? I personally think that the "at risk" population should have N95s and everyone else can use surgical masks.

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