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new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China
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Thursday, April 9, 2020 7:40 AM
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SIX, you're irrational. SOME things trump (ahem!) your so-called Constitutional rights. When various epidemics and pandemics swept the world, it required that people change their behavior. To curb the TB epidemics that would sweep thru early USA, people had to give up their right to spit on the sidewalk and their right to share drinking glasses. People with TB were quarantined.
Nobody has a "god-given" right to spit in the village drinking well. Reality: It is as it is.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
#STAYTHEFUCKHOME
Apples to Oranges.
Having your ability to spit on the street shelved is quite a bit different than being on what amounts to 24/7 lockdown/quarantine for a majority of US citizens regardless if they're healthy or not, along with losing their jobs that they don't even know will still exist when these Communist drills are over.
I'm sure Bezos owned WaPo is going to tell you how great everything is after the fact though, yanno... when 50% of Ma and Pa shops don't make it through 2021 in the aftermath and Amazon.com becomes the go-to place for most Americans to buy all of their shit they don't need.
All it takes is a month to 6 weeks to ingrain new habits into people. When you force everybody to live a certain way for a long enough time, that might be the way they choose to live when they're no longer being forced.
Why do you suppose they voluntarily gave out all that "free" money and unemployment?
People would not behave long enough under these new conditions for the new habits to form if they weren't being paid to do so.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Thursday, April 9, 2020 8:51 AM
Hey KIKI, the whole thing is interesting but at 17:14 he starts a discussion of a paper in the South China Morning Post (SCMP) describing a study of 174 people who had recovered from Covid-19 and then tested for antibody titers. The authors found that about 30% of the recovered patients (mostly young) had antibody titers too low to be considered protective.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
#STAYTHEFUCKHOME
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Thursday, April 9, 2020 9:04 AM
There's one other virus I know of that behaves like that, and it's Hantavirus, though they're completely different virus families.
Children (before puberty) aren't affected, but adults are.
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Thursday, April 9, 2020 9:34 AM
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hey KIKI, the whole thing is interesting but at 17:14 he starts a discussion of a paper in the South China Morning Post (SCMP) describing a study of 174 people who had recovered from Covid-19 and then tested for antibody titers. The authors found that about 30% of the recovered patients (mostly young) had antibody titers too low to be considered protective.
#STAYTHEFUCKHOME
If that's true, then there is zero reason to #STAYTHEFUCKHOME.
Unless you're suggesting that we just do this for the rest of our lives.
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mediabiasfactcheck.com can't even be bothered to review them.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/sources-pending/
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Here's the "study" being referenced: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.30.20047365v1
Take a look at the "Tweets Referencing This Article" at the bottom of the page. Kind of funny how the same three replies show up over and over and over and over and over and over and over again by different "people".
Looks like a huge misinformation farm spreading this "study" all over Twitter to me.
EDITED TO ADD 3:
I'm going to quote/post the entire string of Twitter replies here even though it's probably going to look like a garbled mess, for posterity.
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Proud Uncle Cliff
@cliffsatton
RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver…
03:08AM
Michelle Wille
@DuckSwabber
RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver…
03:07AM
Jose A.
@jacmbrd
RT @angie_rasmussen: Agreed and thank you, Dr. Krammer. Besides neutralizing antibody is not the whole entire story—the immune system is la…
03:03AM
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@baby_mead0ws
alarmism really is driving a high price nowadays!
03:02AM
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@hijodeprada
RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver…
03:02AM
Peter Williams
@peter_c_william
RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver…
03:01AM
eleanorina
@_eleanorina
RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver…
03:01AM
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@baby_mead0ws
RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver…
03:01AM
Andrew Riddle
@AndrewRiddle36
And we don't even know that you can expect to only get COVID-19 once. We know that SARS antibodies were mostly gone 3 years on, and this preprint found 30% of COVID-19 patients had big reductions in antibodies 3 *months* on. https://t.co/kfDrVyyHRt
03:00AM
Epidemiology+Virology Experts. Fighting COVID-19
@EpiD18329833
RT @AdamJKucharski: Interesting preliminary data on neutralising antibody responses in recovered COVID-19 patients. Seems there can be a wi…
03:00AM
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@preopticarea
RT @aetiology: @ChelseaClinton @ChuckWendig @DoctorYasmin The person you tweeted earlier has a lot of fans but often is out of his depth. S…
02:58AM
Janet Kay??????
@tinyboo49
RT @aetiology: @ChelseaClinton @ChuckWendig @DoctorYasmin The person you tweeted earlier has a lot of fans but often is out of his depth. S…
02:58AM
Eric
@EtonnantNon4456
RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver…
02:58AM
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@MCBazacoPhD
RT @aetiology: @ChelseaClinton @ChuckWendig @DoctorYasmin The person you tweeted earlier has a lot of fans but often is out of his depth. S…
02:57AM
Eric
@EtonnantNon4456
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Thursday, April 9, 2020 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hey KIKI, the whole thing is interesting but at 17:14 he starts a discussion of a paper in the South China Morning Post (SCMP) describing a study of 174 people who had recovered from Covid-19 and then tested for antibody titers. The authors found that about 30% of the recovered patients (mostly young) had antibody titers too low to be considered protective.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
#STAYTHEFUCKHOMEPart of what it's about was what I posted here:
Quote:By protective I was referring to 'neutralizing'.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63571&p=5
Nobody knows if those antibodies are actually protective in the first place. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. Some people were truly reinfected (not just relapsed) and AFAIK there hasn't been a study on it.
Nobody knows how high an antibody concentration (titer) you need to have to be protected.
Nobody knows how broadly applicable those antibodies might be to minor - or major - variations in the strains going around.
And of course, as you mentioned nobody knows how long they last. They could be like Noro virus (cruise-ship trots) antibodies that fizzle in a few weeks, and there you are, with another lovely case after you just got over your last case.
Giving people immunoglobulin is an old-timey treatment, like HepB immunoglobulins, where people had a general idea that it worked but not a real understanding. So, like the buildings of the day, it was under-designed and over-built. You gave people A LOT of pooled immunoglobulins, and crossed your fingers.
In a crisis it can be kind of a hail-Mary, but it can sometimes be surprisingly successful. I forget the date, but quite a ways back when - 70's? 80's? - when there was an Ebola outbreak, a recovered patient's Ig's were given to I think 8 or 9 people, and all but one survived.
So those were 'good' antibodies - protective, neutralizing. (OTOH people also develop antibodies to HIV, but they don't stop the progression to AIDS or infectiousness to others. So those are 'bad' antibodies - ineffective.) Anyway, that Ebola survivor's lymphocytes were lovingly cultured and coaxed to produce their antibodies in large enough quantities to research.
As I mentioned earlier, those lymphocytes are from many clones producing many different antibodies (polyclonal); with each clone producing a specific antibody (monoclonal). After studying individual cell lines, it was determined that one particular clone was making very effective neutralizing antibodies. So that clone's antibody was studied to see which particular structure it was attaching itself to on the Ebola virus. And that viral structure in turn was studied to see what parts in particular were important for the immune system to recognize. And from there, an Ebola vaccine was created, which is 70% effective.
I went into all of that to illustrate how fraught the topic is. It's a long, long way from finding antibodies to anywhere else - either counting on them to make people immune or using them as a treatment or toward making a vaccine. A LOT has to go into studying them, because they may or may not be particularly efficient or effective or abundant or long-lasting or ... Simply finding antibodies is necessary, but not sufficient.
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Thursday, April 9, 2020 8:15 PM
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Take a look at the "Tweets Referencing This Article" at the bottom of the page. Kind of funny how the same three replies show up over and over and over and over and over and over and over again by different "people".
Looks like a huge misinformation farm spreading this "study" all over Twitter to me.
Not funny. "RT" at the beginning stands for "ReTweet," so of course it's the same. Retweeting something means you agree or you want your followers to see what you're interested in.
But do let your conspiracy mind see what it wants to see.
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Thursday, April 9, 2020 8:49 PM
How's this for conspiracy theory about a conspiracy theory.
Funding information for study:
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Funding Statement
This work was supported by the National Major Science and Technology Projects of China (2017ZX10202102 and 2018ZX10301403), National Natural Science Foundation of China (31771008), Hundred Talent Program of Shanghai Municipal Health Commission (2018BR08), and Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences (2019PT350002).
Yup. Let's believe China now because it feeds into the fear that we're so desperate to have justified.
I mean, China has been SO honest about everything up to this point, right?
For a guy who has spent three years believing Putin has been influencing American elections, you're pretty fucking dumb about this right now.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Thursday, April 9, 2020 10:38 PM
CORONAVRUS MAY REACTIVATE IN CURED PATIENTS, S KOREAN HEALTH AUTHORITY SAYS
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Coronavirus may 'reactivate' in cured patients, Korean health authority says
A man speaks to a nurse during at a testing booth outside Yangji hospital in Seoul on March 17, 2020.
SEOUL (BLOOMBERG) - The coronavirus may be "reactivating" in people who have been cured of the illness, according to Korea's Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC).
About 51 patients classed as having been cured in South Korea have tested positive again, the KCDC said in a briefing. Rather than being infected again, the virus may have been reactivated in these people, given they tested positive again shortly after being released from quarantine, said Mr Jeong Eun-kyeong, director-general of the KCDC.
"While we are putting more weight on reactivation as the possible cause, we are conducting a comprehensive study on this," Mr Jeong said. "There have been many cases when a patient during treatment will test negative one day and positive another." A patient is deemed fully recovered when two tests conducted with a 24-hour interval show negative results.
The KCDC will conduct an epidemiological probe into the cases, he said.
South Korea was one of the earliest countries to see a large-scale coronavirus outbreak, but the country has recorded 200 deaths and a falling new case tally since peaking at 1,189 on Feb 29. One of the world's most expansive testing programmes and a tech-driven approach to tracing infections has helped the country contain its epidemic without lockdowns or shuttering businesses.
South Korea reported 39 new cases on Thursday (April 9) for a total of 10,423.
Fear of re-infection in recovered patients is also growing in China, where the virus first emerged last December, after reports that some tested positive again - and even died from the disease - after supposedly recovering and leaving hospital. There's little understanding of why this happens, although some believe that the problem may lie in inconsistencies in test results.
Epidemiologists around the world are in a race to find out more about the virus that causes Covid-19. The pathogen's rapid global spread has recently seen the focus shift to patients who contract the virus but display few or atypical symptoms. South Korea has been at the forefront of tracking these cases, which are causing particular concern in China, where the epidemic is showing signs of coming under control.
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/coronavirus-may-reactivate
-in-cured-patients-korean-health-authority-says
Reported by the Straits Time (Singapore) and S Korea
This tends to run along the same idea that maybe some people don't make robust antibodies and therefore don't fully inactivate the virus.
There is a precedent with chickenpox, which manages to hide out in the nerve cells, only to re-emerge later as shingles. Also HIV: antibodies don't confer protection. "Typhoid Mary" was an asymptomatic carrier of typhus.
I think one thing that I wonder about is ... is the second infection worse than, the same as, or better than, the first? If the second infection is milder than the first, there may be some benefit to running out and getting infected. If the second infection is worse than, or about the same as the first, then all you're doing is creating more disease-carriers.
Clearly, there's a lot about this virus we don't understand. In addition to being a retrovirus, it seems to have some HIV-like characteristics.
I would suggest that since this particular coronavirus is a retrovirus (RNA-based, as opposed to DNA-bsed) that antiretroviral therapy be looked at. I have seen reports (too many to link) that treating doctors are throwing everything and the kitchen sink (hodroxychorloquine, azithromycin, zinc, beta-interferon, plasma, and anti-retrovirals) at this thing. I hope that one of these will be successful.
As an aside, the reason (if you listened to the po
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Thursday, April 9, 2020 11:12 PM
Speaking of hodroxychorloquine and fake news...
I'm surprised nobody talked about this lady and her dead husband in the RWED.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Thursday, April 9, 2020 11:13 PM
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
For a guy who has spent three years believing Putin has been influencing American elections, you're pretty fucking dumb about this right now.
You're the guy who didn't even know what retweet was - not very smart throwing around comments about intelligence right now.
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