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Thursday, April 9, 2020 12:02 AM

Since we have absolutely no way of knowing who is and who is not infected, except for people who are extremely ill going to hospitals that actually have the ability to test for the virus, there is zero reason to think that there have actually been less cases after the lockdown.

You're reading your own desires into results of a grand "scientific" test that doesn't have any constant and has far too many variables.

Don't lie to yourself.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, April 9, 2020 5:56 AM

I heard about, but have not been able to find a follow-up article on the fact that the UK's NHS deemed the serological test kits to be not acccurate enough, and won't distribute them. I don't know if the problem is poor sensitivity or lack of specificity. There is ANOTHER serological finger-stick test for Covid-19 antibodies which the company (falsely) claimed was approved by the FDA (BodySphere) https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/health/coronavirus-test-false-fda-autho
rization/index.html


As far as I can tell, the only serological test approved by the FDA by Cellex https://www.medtechdive.com/news/fda-authorizes-cellex-coronavirus-ant
ibodies-test/575451
/ is for in-office and in-laboratory testing. So, no five-minute or two-minute or in-home test yet, altho I'm sure one will be developed at some point (It's a tried-and-true approach)



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Thursday, April 9, 2020 6:01 AM

The question is, what would be the point of a home test?

It's not going to do you any good in regards to going back to work or not having to abide any unconstitutional STAYTHEFUCKHOME laws.

I don't see how bragging rights is going to help put people back to work so they can put food on the table, or help anybody get out from under their Constitutional rights being trampled.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, April 9, 2020 6:09 AM

In the meantime, while some people are chasing the ever-elusive "forsythia" (If you've seen "Contagion" you know what I mean) people are being treated with the plasma of recovered Covid-19 patients. (Too many links, so I'll just go with the government's choice) So there may be some incentive for various health organizations to expand serological testing, not just to answer the burning questions "How many people have been infected?" and "Are we close to herd immunity yet?" but also to look for donors. Maybe the bait will be ... "Do you want a test? Then you have to sign up to be a donor".

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/investigational-new-drug-
ind-or-device-exemption-ide-process-cber/recommendations-investigational-covid-19-convalescent-plasma



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Thursday, April 9, 2020 6:13 AM

SIX, you're irrational. SOME things trump (ahem!) your so-called Constitutional rights. When various epidemics and pandemics swept the world, it required that people change their behavior. To curb the TB epidemics that would sweep thru early USA, people had to give up their right to spit on the sidewalk and their right to share drinking glasses. People with TB were quarantined.

Nobody has a "god-given" right to spit in the village drinking well. Reality: It is as it is.



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Thursday, April 9, 2020 6:20 AM

dbl

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Thursday, April 9, 2020 6:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
In the meantime, while some people are chasing the ever-elusive "forsythia" (If you've seen "Contagion" you know what I mean) people are being treated with the plasma of recovered Covid-19 patients. (Too many links, so I'll just go with the government's choice) So there may be some incentive for various health organizations to expand serological testing, not just to answer the burning questions "How many people have been infected?" and "Are we close to herd immunity yet?" but also to look for donors. Maybe the bait will be ... "Do you want a test? Then you have to sign up to be a donor".

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/investigational-new-drug-
ind-or-device-exemption-ide-process-cber/recommendations-investigational-covid-19-convalescent-plasma



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I saw some of the technology on a video. They don't just look for 'antibodies', they do a semi-quantitative test for 'how much', as determined by the depth of a yellow color in the individuals tests in the individual wells of a multi-well plate.

I saw that they they carefully measured everything in (the one person I saw was using perfect automatic pipettor technique!), what I don't know is if they have a plate-well reader that quantifies the color, or if they just do some kind of visual-matching cutoff.

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Thursday, April 9, 2020 6:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I heard about, but have not been able to find a follow-up article on the fact that the UK's NHS deemed the serological test kits to be not acccurate enough, and won't distribute them. I don't know if the problem is poor sensitivity or lack of specificity. There is ANOTHER serological finger-stick test for Covid-19 antibodies which the company (falsely) claimed was approved by the FDA (BodySphere) https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/health/coronavirus-test-false-fda-autho
rization/index.html


As far as I can tell, the only serological test approved by the FDA by Cellex https://www.medtechdive.com/news/fda-authorizes-cellex-coronavirus-ant
ibodies-test/575451
/ is for in-office and in-laboratory testing. So, no five-minute or two-minute or in-home test yet, altho I'm sure one will be developed at some point (It's a tried-and-true approach)



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Thanks for tracking that down!

Just fyi, the in-home version was a finger-stick test, not something as handy as urine testing. Finger-sticks are quick, but relatively inaccurate as tests go, even though diabetics rely on them. There's just too much variation in blood flow to the fingertips, how well they've been lanced, how much squeezing people do to get enough blood, and so forth. So aside from any inherent technology issues there might be, the technique itself tends to poor results.

I imagine the tests need a blood draw.

Also, they're not a yes/no test - they require other clinical data.

Quote:

The test, however, "should not be used as the sole basis for diagnosis and can only aid in the diagnosis of patients in conjunction with a medical review of symptoms and results of other laboratory tests," FDA said in its authorization letter to ?Cellex, a Research Triangle Park, North Carolina-based firm behind the test.

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Thursday, April 9, 2020 6:56 AM

And FINALLY!!!

Blue shop towels filter small particles better than cotton!

Quote:

Using blue shop towels in homemade face masks can filter particles 2x to 3x better than cotton, 3 clothing designers discover after testing dozens of fabrics

..."We spent a few days researching and brainstorming any material that could filter: coffee filters, batting, window shades, Swiffer, interfacing, etc., all the way to more technical materials that are available to specialized industrial sectors like aviation, oil refinery, medical fields," Schempf said.

They bought a $1,400 particulate-counter device from Grainger that measures filtration ability down to 0.3 microns and spent another 10 sleepless days testing all the fabrics they could find.

They wanted a material they could buy as easily as cotton but that balanced filtration with breathability — they discovered that HEPA vacuum-cleaner bags, for instance, had great filtration but were too suffocating to wear.

The ideal material turned out to be stretchy blue shop towels made from a polyester hydro knit.

Inserting two of these towels into an ordinary cotton mask brought filtration up to 93% of particles as small as 0.3 microns, the smallest their machine could test. Meanwhile, the cotton masks filtered 60% of particles at best in their tests, Schempf said.

Polyester hydro knit towels are readily available at hardware and automotive stores. The two brands they tested were ToolBox's shop towel and ZEP's industrial blue towel. Interestingly, Scott's pro shop towels, which are also made with a hydro knit fabric, didn't work as well, Schempf said.


https://www.businessinsider.com/homemade-mask-using-hydro-knit-shop-to
wel-filters-better-2020-4?op=1


Thanks to hubby for finding this!

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Thursday, April 9, 2020 7:37 AM

Have fun breathing through them.

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